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Posted on: Feb 8, 2016 06:53AM

dani_katze wrote:

Hi,

I would like to know who has consider to stop alcohol once and for all...

I didn't know the risk that alcohol represents for breast cancer, until I have it and read something about it.

I used to think that I was a normal drinker... Now, I think I drink too much, and more considering that I have had breast cancer. That's why I am trying to stop it at all.

Any insight is welcome. Thank you for reading.

dani_katze

Daniela Dx 6/13/2011, DCIS, 4cm, 2/2 nodes, ER+ Surgery 8/17/2011 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Nipple reconstruction, Nipple tattoo, Silicone implant, Tissue expander placement
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Jul 23, 2017 07:45PM Lita57 wrote:

KB870, and everyone else, listen to your body when it comes to imbibing. If your body doesn't like it anymore, don't do it. I gave up hard cocktails some years ago because my body just couldn't tolerate even a few sips.

As one gets older, it gets harder for the body to clear out toxins. Older standup comedians joke about this, but it's the truth. Remember when we were younger and could go out partying and dancing til 2 or 3 am and get up and go to work the next day? (Well, some of us anyway. No need to drink and tell, if you don't want to.) ūüėČ I certainly can't do that anymore. It would kill me.

Tampa, thanks for the compliment.ūüėÄ

Stage IV Occult, Amorphic right from the gate. New Brain Mets Aug 2017. I've been dragged into an arranged marriage that I didn't agree to, & divorce is totally off the table now that I'm married to Mr. Cancer. STAGE IV LIVES MATTER! Dx 4/14/2016, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/liver/other, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 4/27/2016 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 5/15/2016 Chemotherapy 5/22/2016 Xeloda (capecitabine) Radiation Therapy 4/20/2017 External: Bone Dx 8/23/2017, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jul 24, 2017 05:38PM TampaBayBucsGirl wrote:

EastcoastTS - I love a good hefeweizen too.

KB870 & Lita - I didn't drink a whole lot either. I don't know what got into me last year, but it's usually once a week for me. I'd only have 1 or 2 glasses. The rum drinks taste good, but I would wake up very dehydrated. I expect I'll never go back to the hard stuff either. Just an occasional wine or beer (if my body allows it). I do notice that soda doesn't always agree with my stomach anymore. I have to take the Zantac Duo Fusion chewable tablets every now & then. I get a little heartburn the week after my Herceptin infusion.

TWills - I don't go over to your side of the Bay much either. I live more inland. I just work in Tampa. I have tried beers from some of the breweries in St. Pete from time to time. Especially when we go to a Rays game. I like just about every style of beer (except IPAs).

Dx 9/29/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Surgery 10/25/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Targeted Therapy 12/2/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 12/2/2016 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 2/27/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 3/1/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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Jul 24, 2017 06:49PM Bellapam wrote:

kira1234,

Thank you for your kind thoughts and hugs!

Bellapam

My results were benign! The members of BCO have been a great comfort during my testing and dx, so I want to stay around to "pay it forward" however I can.
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Aug 3, 2017 06:54AM inccmd wrote:

Interesting thoughts. I love a glass or two of wine with dinner, although when recovering from surgery and now radiation, I don't because it just seems better for healing & feeling as good as possible. It would be nice to know if they could figure out who's predisposed for the alcohol/cancer link.

There are so many factors to consider, I am not sure how they can decide which beyond the most obvious contributes most to breast cancer. There's so much to sift through, and we are all so different and live differently. Although I knew I was at risk because of dense breast tissue and was very good about mammograms, I didn't really know how much that contributed to risk until I started reading about it. At first I felt guilty about drinking, but now I'm thinking the density was my higher risk factor (& beyond my control) since I could cross the other things off the list.

So I guess moderation and quality of life balance.

Dx 4/2017, ILC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2017 10:12AM Gingernurse wrote:

I usually drink a bottle of wine a week. Today I had an allergic reaction to Lanusta shot. Had a glass of wine and I ended up in the ED. My MO said absolutely no alcohol at all during chemo. Fine with me!!! I want to live and it was scar

Dx 7/3/2017, IDC, Right, 2cm, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Targeted Therapy 8/2/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 8/2/2017 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel)
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Aug 4, 2017 10:39AM Shellsatthebeach wrote:

I don't plan on drinking. Since being on the chemo, the thought and smell of alcohol makes me feel sick to my stomach. I gave up wine when I breast feed for a total of 10 years (had three kids, three years apart). Now my cross to bear will be giving up sugar. That will be so very hard for me, but I will do it if it gives me a better chance of survival. I also need to lose some weight.

Dx 3/2017, IDC, Left, 3cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, ER+, HER2- Surgery 8/30/2017 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Left Dx 9/15/2017, DCIS/IDC, Left, Stage IIIB, Grade 3, 6/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol)
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Aug 4, 2017 10:54AM Lita57 wrote:

Shells...so you did the right thing b'feeding your kids AND giving up wine...they tell us that b'feeding lowers one's risk of bc, along with giving up alcohol and YOU STILL got it.

These researchers and theorists are just pulling straws out of their butts. I personally know several 70 to 80+ year olds who have a glass of wine every night, or even a scotch or martini, and THEY never got cancer.

It's all a crap shoot.

But I do agree that one probably shouldn't drink during active chemo treatments. The poor liver has enuf to do clearing out the chemo toxins.


Stage IV Occult, Amorphic right from the gate. New Brain Mets Aug 2017. I've been dragged into an arranged marriage that I didn't agree to, & divorce is totally off the table now that I'm married to Mr. Cancer. STAGE IV LIVES MATTER! Dx 4/14/2016, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/liver/other, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 4/27/2016 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 5/15/2016 Chemotherapy 5/22/2016 Xeloda (capecitabine) Radiation Therapy 4/20/2017 External: Bone Dx 8/23/2017, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2017 11:13AM - edited Aug 4, 2017 11:13AM by inccmd

TampaBayBuc, you wondered if that year you drank more did it. I seriously doubt it.

I don't know which of you have asked or found out, but my OB/GYN said cancer doesn't happen overnight and in my case, it probably developed over the last few years - maybe even 5 years for what ended up being a 1.1 cm growth. I know he can't know for sure, and it's just an educated guess on his part, but he put it in perspective for me.

We can make ourselves crazy trying to figure out if we did something to bring on BC. There's too many variables and some total randomness for even scientists to be sure.

Dx 4/2017, ILC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2017 11:40AM Shellsatthebeach wrote:

So true Lita. I had a number of factors that were in my favor. I breastfed, I didn't have my first period until I was 15 years old. I also went into pre-menopausal state early and had last period last August (which probably saved my life). Also, on my mother side of family (she had 8 sisters) there is no history of breast cancer whatsoever for any of her sisters or their offspring (40 in all) or any of their offspring. On my father's side, only one person which was my dad's grandmother but none of her daughters or any of their daughters (the exception is me). So, breast cancer was the very last thing I thought I would get. So much so, when I started falling ill, I had everything under the sun tested and everything came back normal. I knew my doctor at that point must have thought I was being a hypochondriac. It wasn't until my OB/GYN visit that he discovered under my arm that things felt hard (my lymph nodes). Lump was not detectable. It didn't show up on any of my previous mammograms either. Definitely the whole thing a crap shot even though I did every right. Life is unpredictable.

Dx 3/2017, IDC, Left, 3cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, ER+, HER2- Surgery 8/30/2017 Lymph node removal; Mastectomy: Left Dx 9/15/2017, DCIS/IDC, Left, Stage IIIB, Grade 3, 6/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol)
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Aug 4, 2017 12:04PM TampaBayBucsGirl wrote:

Hi inccmd,

Yeah, I think you're all right about that. As Lita said, it's a crap shoot. I am getting my genetic testing done next week. I have to fill out a whole bunch of paperwork on family members who are all deceased. I know it's rare, but I'm pretty sure that my grandfather had breast cancer (according to my mother). They said the gene could have been passed down to me through my father. My father didn't have cancer, but had the early onset of Parkinson's Disease. He may have passed away before any cancer developed. Who the heck knows! I'm going to drive myself batty trying to figure this out.

I also have dense breast tissue as well. That's definitely another risk factor (plus raging hormones). I was diagnosed at 50, and hadn't gone through the change of life yet. Oh, and I don't have kids so breast feeding wasn't an option. I have another condition called PCOD that made me infertile. There are no eggs popping out of my ovaries. LOL!


Dx 9/29/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Surgery 10/25/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Targeted Therapy 12/2/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 12/2/2016 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 2/27/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 3/1/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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Aug 10, 2017 05:28PM chatsworthgirl wrote:

Hi all,

Just thought I'd put my two cents in re drinking. I'm with Lita on this one. I am half Italian and drinking red wine has been a part of my life since I was young. Same with lots of Europeans over there or here. Wine is regularly consumed. And as someone mentioned, if it was going to give you cancer then the entire European continent would be dead by now.

I have red wine at least three or four times a week. Usually two glasses. I can't drink a lot because I get a headache if I do so that's my body's take on it.

When I went through surgeries, chemo, radiation I didn't drink because I wanted to give my body the best chance to heal. I did not have reconstruction - double mast - because I did not want to add another burden to the process.

However, at this point I am not going to worry too much about much of anything. I once read that if it's your time to die nothing can stop it and if it's not, then nothing can make it happen. I am not foolish and I do my best to eat properly, get exercise and sleep well (when the %$# drugs don't give me insomnia).

to Vino!!!

Chats

Dx 6/6/2011, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/15/2011 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right Chemotherapy 10/5/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Radiation Therapy 4/15/2012 Breast, Lymph nodes Dx 2/20/2017, ILC, 2cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 2, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 2/21/2017 Femara (letrozole)
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Aug 11, 2017 08:59AM - edited Aug 11, 2017 09:29AM by Claire_in_Seattle

I lived in France for a year between college and grad school where I was studying at the Sorbonne and received a diploma in French Civilization. Guess what I learned? That wine with dinner is a wonderful thing. Unless of very poor quality which was the case with the "questionable" Cotes du Rhone which consisted of bad Rhone, mixed with cheap Algerian, and then sugared to hide the evil flavor. I still remember the day after headaches.

I live in Washington State, which has glorious wine largely unknown in the rest of the country. A continuing adventure, as are all the microbreweries, not to mention the distilleries. So lots to explore and great fun. 

We also have amazing fresh local food which goes with guess what? I am a cook, so relish doing these pairings. I do endurance cycling to mitigate the damage, just finishing my 11th Seattle-to-Portland Bicycle Classic in a row. That's 200+ miles over 2 days and requires a lot of training to build up strength and endurance. (I was better than ever on the hills this year.)

Having said all this, I did give up all alcohol during active treatment as thought my liver had enough work to do. Fortunately, I did not have to give up tea.

That's my story. Because my big learning from my trip through cancer is not to waste a day of the amazing life we are granted. It's now about 6 extra years and counting. I find out later today if all is still OK. When I get that confirmation, it's off to the wine bar where I am meeting a friend for wine, conversation and perhaps some jazz. I am thinking that it might be a bottle of champagne that I order.

Because every day, and especially today, is a celebration. - Claire 

Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 11, 2017 10:08AM Peregrinelady wrote:

Love your philosophy, Claire. Work hard, play hard, and enjoy life!

Dx 4/24/2015, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 6/1/2015 Liquid tamoxifen (Soltamox) Surgery 4/18/2016 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Aug 12, 2017 07:25AM Claire_in_Seattle wrote:

Thank you! All went well with my oncology appointment yesterday. I had a list of topics to mention and I think she was on the learning end. I think I may have convinced two of the staff to exercise. Then I stopped at Nordstrom Flagship for a couple of YSL items - hot pink lipstick and a new mascara which really does something to my eyes.

Couldn't find anything at the resale shop and then off to the wine bar. It was fun catching up with my friend and, yes, the champagne was just wonderful. Splurged on the Blanc de Noirs, my fave. Somehow, I had missed that I get half off flights, so must do more of that in the future as a lot of fun. I refilled my Maison 1.5 liter of Chardonnay. Really delish and only one dollar more per regular bottle than less wonderful wine.

The wind has shifted and the air is a lot better here today. Not to mention cooler. Life is good! - Claire 

Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 12, 2017 11:58AM TampaBayBucsGirl wrote:

Claire - That is wonderful news! I can't wait until I get to that 6 year mark. So, you didn't partake in any wine even through your 5 years of AI? That's amazing! 

I agree with you & Chats about wine. I love a good French or German wine. We make it a point to do a winery tour everywhere we go. Sadly, we haven't been to Europe this past year (because of the diagnosis). Our last tour was in Barcelona (about 2 years ago). We got to see how they make Cava. It was a wonderful experience. I'm looking forward to more trips in the future.


Dx 9/29/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Surgery 10/25/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Targeted Therapy 12/2/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 12/2/2016 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 2/27/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 3/1/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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Aug 12, 2017 01:14PM Claire_in_Seattle wrote:

No, I resumed drinking wine as soon as I was cleared to eat normal foods following chemo, and my liver had less work to do. There are limits to everything. In fact, I had a "global virtual wine party" so that others around the globe could celebrate my successful completion of kick-butt chemo. I had a glass of pink bubbly....complements of the wine bar.

I was not about to give up one of the supreme pleasures and continuing adventures in life.

Speaking of adventures, a guy on the bus home last night asked to be a Facebook friend. We are doing a ride later this afternoon. This could prove interesting. I am not sure what else he has in mind besides wanting "someone to cycle with". I do know that he has recently been dating someone, wo wonder if there was a tiff. In any event, a short ride is relatively harmless. I am also wondering what will happen when he gets a good look at my face, as think I am a lot older than he imagines?

Two hours from now at Element Cycles..... - Claire

Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 12, 2017 03:56PM TampaBayBucsGirl wrote:

I totally get it now. Living life to the fullest. I love the fact that you had a global virtual wine party after chemo. I'm looking forward to celebrating once my Herceptin treatment is over.

Well, that definitely sounds like an adventure. Have a great time at Element Cycles! Smile

Dx 9/29/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (IHC) Surgery 10/25/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Targeted Therapy 12/2/2016 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 12/2/2016 Taxol (paclitaxel) Hormonal Therapy 2/27/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 3/1/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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Aug 13, 2017 08:53AM Claire_in_Seattle wrote:

Cycling date got pushed back until today. It's raining (YAY!!!) so will wait for things to subside a bit. Anyway, I am stoked to have all this male attention as it's been a while. The worst thing that will happen is that I will have a dreadful time, but at least it's an adventure! I already warned him that I am slower than slow. - Claire

Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 13, 2017 11:16AM Lita57 wrote:

Claire, if it's a crappy time, go home and pour yourself a nice glass of vino.

I'm off to lunch with friends at a new steakhouse. Hope they have a decent wine list. I start my chemo pills again tomorrow. I always allow myself a glass or 2 when I'm off cycle. (I started allowing myself that luxury again after nine months of total abstinence to get the mets under control.)

What's the worst that can happen now? I get cancer?


Stage IV Occult, Amorphic right from the gate. New Brain Mets Aug 2017. I've been dragged into an arranged marriage that I didn't agree to, & divorce is totally off the table now that I'm married to Mr. Cancer. STAGE IV LIVES MATTER! Dx 4/14/2016, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/liver/other, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 4/27/2016 External: Bone Targeted Therapy 5/15/2016 Chemotherapy 5/22/2016 Xeloda (capecitabine) Radiation Therapy 4/20/2017 External: Bone Dx 8/23/2017, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 13, 2017 05:11PM Claire_in_Seattle wrote:

Actually a bad crash would be even worse. I got back safe and sound and had a good time. As he had cycled in, he bussed it back to his place, from the transit center that was at the half way point. That turned out to be just fine as part of the route I had planned was closed, so that turned out to be quite the adventure.

I ended up cycling 30 miles which gives me a good workout for the day. We may join one of his cycling buddies in the future. Anyway, it was very nice to learn that a much younger guy likes jazz and is into swing dancing. Jazz is a huge deal in and around Seattle, with schools in relatively remote places having jazz bands. Seattle and other nearby schools routinely place in the TOP 5 in the Ellington Jazz Competition in NYC.

I did learn that I cycle better and faster when in the company of a fit guy. Of course, that is one of the benefits of doing major endurance events. Lots of guys with great bodies in spandex. How can a girl get so lucky! - Claire 

Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 22, 2017 06:54PM monie108 wrote:

I love your philosophy as well Claire! I have been quite devastated over the past year and 4 months during this crusade I am on. People call it a journey I call it a nightmare. I am a very social person and love to meet up with my friends and family over dinner, concerts, bonfires, vacations, etc. And everyone I know drinks! I did not drink at all during the massive chemo treatment, but did have wine during Herceptin boosts, although certainly less than I used too. However, the vacation we just got back from was an exception, and for that I feel extremely guilty! I only have one more treatment to go and then it is all done. I am told I am doing well with no remaining cancer after very aggressive treatment, all numbers and tests came back the best they possibly could. I am hoping it stays that way!

To ward off the wine enemy I also work out 3-4 times weekly and pray that gives some relief. That and lots of prayers! But you are right, there is really only one life to live, I have to keep telling myself that! Thanks for your insight!

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