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Posted on: Dec 13, 2016 06:08PM

pipers_dream wrote:

I've had several people PM and want to know what I did for treatment and I've been bad about answering them but time has been in short supply so I just thought I'd put this up here. I am not calling myself a success story and in no way would my path be for everyone but some are wondering what I've done and what I'm willing to live with. Turns out I'm really comfortable with uncertainty, which I suppose is a strength and certainly one I never realized I had. Slowly in my life my personality has revealed itself little by little and I still surprise myself.

I got dx'ed mid-November 3 years ago and it was completely overwhelming to me. My husband had left me a few years before this after a very long marriage, I was a very new empty nester, and I had started not just a new job, but a new career as a special ed teacher, under very trying circumstances and after having to move to take the position. The lump was not a lump--it was a subtle rippling under the skin of my left breast and I saw it in the mirror one morning. I'm normally a procrastinator but I got right in and got it checked and it was certainly BC.

They started right away making mistakes with my tests and such. I had to miss an important scan b/c they failed to schedule it in line with when my period was due. One male doc told me lumpectomy but the more competent woman surgeon in St. Louis marched in and said grandly, "Off with the boobs!" Well she said something like that. I went ahead and scheduled it for January of 2014, but the more I thought about chemo and radiation, the more reluctant I felt and of course I was googling like crazy and reading many books.

I wanted to do holistic but wasn't even sure where to start. Thought I'd start with detox but much of what I read said don't do it if you still have metal fillings so I made an appointment with a holistic doc in St. Louis, 2-½ hours from home. The appt was on Monday and the surgery was scheduled for Friday of the same week. The doc took a look at me and told me I didn't look too bad and suggested that if I were willing to postpone the surgery, he figured he could help me knock it down to a lumpectomy, or possibly no surgery at all. The idea of canceling a major surgery was really scary b/c what if they got mad and refused to treat me after that. I decided to go ahead and do it anyway and immediately felt like a huge weight was lifted off my soul--I was very peaceful about my decision. By this time I had been on the ketogenic diet for 2 weeks and the cancer seemed to have stopped growing. I had felt it grow before--now it had stopped and all it took was to get the sugars out. I might add that I'd had a terrible sugar addiction all my life so I wasn't terribly surprised by this.

At this point I'm going to stop and tell you all why my reluctance to do conventional care. The first and most obvious one was the fact that I've always been a wannabe hippie. I was 5 years too late for the real fun, so I thought, but had always fooled about with herbs and making my own salves and herb teas and such and I actually think this is fun. The other reason was darker--only a year before as I was going thru mom's stuff after she died, I found pix of her aunt who had died of BC. She had a rare reaction to the chemo they used and was burned from the inside out. The pictures were horrific and I remembered some of the things they used to whisper about the case when she was dying--I wouldn't wish such a fate on Hitler. I knew that I wasn't going to do that. Some have pointed out that cancer meds have changed a lot in the last 25 years but when the MO gave me a list of what he wanted to use, that one was on the list. I knew it was a rare side effect but we were related.

So I will stop here and resume in another post b/c this one is getting really long. BRB.
Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 13, 2016 06:24PM pipers_dream wrote:

So I'm back. The holistic doc, who is a board certified internist, started out as a "real" doctor but soon realized that they were treating many issues way more effectively in China, his home country, and he gradually switched over. He uses a diagnostic tool called Acupuncture Meridian Assessment and uses probes on my fingers and toes to take a reading on what's going on in various parts of my body. Apparently my liver was very sluggish--not surprising as I suspect I was suffering from non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, which many sugar addicts also share in common. I found out that sugar essentially does to your liver what alcohol does. He put me on many supplements. A parasite cleanse--turns out that the meds for this actually kill cancer cells. Then he sent me to the dentist.

He gave me the names of 2 or 3 dentists in town--all biological ones. I had at least one metal filling in each molar and all were 50% mercury. Also, as a child I had broken open a thermometer and played with it for over an hour in the bathroom one day. I still remember how cool that was, but what I started to realize as I revisited this memory, was how sick I was for weeks, months, and years after I did that. I remember that my mild hayfever turned into life threatening illness at times, even after something like a neighbor mowing the lawn, but not every time. My face broke out in an awful rash and my formerly outgoing personality just shut down and I became the class reject that year. All of these are signs of mercury poisoning it turns out. My teen years were very unhappy and emotionally I was a mess for years. I even ran away from home and dropped out of high school. And so sure enough I was high in heavy metals and esp lead and mercury.

The dental work was extensive and I had to have 3 crowns just to hold everything together. I enjoy the fact that I no longer have a metallic taste in my mouth but I'm still not finished with this. There is a spot on my gum that seems to be what the dentist called an amalgam tattoo. A sloppy dentist from years past had gotten amalgam jabbed into my gums and you can still see it with the eye and see it on the xray. I always thought it was a vein down there but dentist said this is amalgam b/c of the way it shows up on the xray. Anyway, newest studies are showing what Weston Price said years ago--as the health of the mouth goes, so goes the rest of the body.
Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 13, 2016 06:37PM pipers_dream wrote:

It took months to get the fillings switched out--I wanted to go as fast as possible and get it done, but sometimes they could only do one tooth at a time. I've heard of people getting sick from this and getting more poisoned than if they just left them in but my dentist knew what he was doing. The doc started me on chelation therapy right away to remove the heavy metals and some folks get sick from that too but I had no problems. I was still losing weight and felt great and everyone was telling me I looked fabulous. I have a pic of me from 6 years ago and I look like death warmed over and quite a little pudge and I'm still a little pudgy, due to some menopausal weight gain, but it's coming off again now. The point is though that I look way healthier than I did in that pic. I stopped telling people that I have cancer and never did post anything on my facebook profile.

So about a year had passed and the fear had mostly left me. I was getting impatient b/c the tumor was still there but I realized that it had not grown at all in that year and I realized that it's way easier to stop the growth of a tumor than it is to get rid of one. I went to a counselor sometimes and began to work on my deep seated emotional issues and he recommended me to a friend of his who was doing the same thing I was, but she'd been doing it for almost 6 years! We met and are fast friends now and she was encouraged to start a support group for those doing holistic cancer care and we have quite a competent little group of women. Men are welcome but it's just women for now. We realized that we needed our own support group b/c we often deal with hostility from those who are going the conventional route, as if we are saying they are wrong, when I never ever thought that but that's human nature I guess. I think that we have to choose the tx method that we most believe will heal us, b/c without the belief it won't help much. Yes I've studied a lot about the placebo effect too lol.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 13, 2016 06:53PM pipers_dream wrote:

So for now, I'm just in a holding pattern. I've tried a little bit of everything. I switch around my supplements often, though I consistently take the basic nutrients plus iodine, Brevail, DIM, alpha lipoic acid, and melatonin. I switch in and out of things like quercitin, choline/inositol, co-Q-10, and immune support type products like maitake and elderberry. A friend gave me some essiac tincture and I take that 4x/day. I"ve dithered around about my diet. I know the ketogenic diet helps in the short run but in the long run I just can't imagine it's the healthiest. Have tried vegetarian but I always seem to come up short on protein so for now I just try to eat enough protein for the day and as many fruits and veggies as I can fit in my mouth. Stopped juicing due to weight gain, though I sometimes make a big glass of celery juice. I often fall off my diet and binge on bread (it's the new sweets for me) and then get nervous and read something that tells me how great fruits and veggies are for you and go right back to it. I've stopped getting these dry crusty things on my skin since I began to really hit the produce aisle. (If you're less than 50 you probably don't know what I'm talking about . . . )

I decided I needed to exercise and no excuses but I don't live near a gym so I bought a rebounder. I got a good one b/c I knew I'd use it every day. I put Cajun folk tunes on pandora and hop away and it feels great and I love this kind of exercise. I make a huge effort to get no less than 7 hours sleep a night. This was tough b/c I'm a night owl but it was necessary--funny thing is I thought I was living a healthy lifestyle before but I was awful!

The thing I still struggle with is constipation. I love to make whey smoothies and use that for my protein and the amino acids are said to be just right for dealing with BC issues but the stuff plugs me up for a month. It took a bit for me to realize what was causing it. My system just doesn't seem to respond to the usual methods of getting unstuck so a coffee enema will fix it temporarily but I wish I knew how to fix this. Yes I take probiotics, prebiotics, drink plenty of fluids, fruits, you name it, I've done it. It's chronic and ever present.
Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 13, 2016 11:43PM gemini4 wrote:

hi Piper! I've packed on the pounds myself in the last three years and need to get rid of this excess weight. I just ordered a book called "Always Hungry" and am excited to start following the eating plan. You might want to consider it as an option from the keto diet. I don't know all the specifics yet, but it's low-carb that includes a bit of fruit and non-wheat grains (like quinoa), chickpeas. No sugar of course. Seems more sustainable than keto, Atkins, or paleo.

Age 48 at Dx, pre-menopause / OncoType score 16, no chemo Dx 12/7/2012, ILC, 1cm, Stage IB, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 12/18/2012 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Surgery 1/14/2013 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 2/10/2013 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 4/3/2013 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Dec 14, 2016 07:52AM pipers_dream wrote:

Thanks Gemini, I will look into that. I know I can't sustain the keto and I can't eat red meat right now either. I have a problem where sometimes I just can't muster up the stomach acid to digest it. The whey powder binds me up ferociously and I avoid soy so my protein options are limited. What does this author suggest for protein?

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 14, 2016 08:03AM LilacBlue wrote:

Pea protein isolate is terrific and I buy it off Amazon.

Nothing is ever the same as they said it was. It's what I've never seen before that I recognise. - Diane Arbus Dx 4/13/2012, DCIS, 6cm+, Stage IB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 6/12/2012 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap, Nipple reconstruction
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Dec 15, 2016 06:37PM pipers_dream wrote:

I'm going to look for it Lilac. I need to do something and it sounds like it might have fiber too. I do get about 50 gms fiber/day and drink fluids as much as possible but still having problems.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 18, 2017 06:31PM BosumBlues wrote:

Fascinating read. Thanks for the post and keep updating please.

Dx IDC
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Jan 23, 2017 11:04PM pipers_dream wrote:

Thanks BosumBlues, I actually still have a lot to add but I've been busy and/or emotional lately. More to come, and working on my emotional issues is one of the things I've committed to working on.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 29, 2017 01:09PM BosumBlues wrote:

Pipers dream, I understand that. I wish I could be more supportive to the newcomers but most days I choose not to relive where I have been. When you are able.

Dx IDC
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Jan 31, 2017 08:17PM pipers_dream wrote:

Yeah things better now. Think I will share some about the emotional issues here since you never know what some folks will find helpful.

I did not have a horrible childhood but it wasn't exactly a happy one either. I became wildly unhappy after the thermometer incident and my parents didn't and couldn't help--they were quite cold and all of us suffered to some extent from their neglect. I got married in my mid-twenties to a man I considered my best friend and we were married for 23 years before he came out gay. If I were a betting person I'd swear that's when the cancer got started--it was such a huge shock and I remember feeling numb thru much of it--just totally out of touch with my feelings. More crazy stuff happened--death of mother and grandmother (who I was closer to), dealing with the detritus of two hoarders, moving out of town to take a job, etc etc. Very stressful. Thru it all I held one thought, accurate or not: I believed that my ex had never loved me and that all I wanted was to find someone who could. And then. This. Oh, ex came out 3 days after Xmas in '08.

So, needless to say, holidays are not a happy time for me and it hit esp hard this year. The ex is very happy--he's found a wonderful new husband--they are married and even I adore this new partner of his. However, I can't help but contrast my situation to his--not that I think about it all the time but it did hit at holiday time. I think it gets worse with each year b/c it's another year that I'm alone and he's that much closer to getting everything he ever wanted. I want him to be happy but I want me to be happy too.

Also, something set me off at my holistic cancer support group--a man was talking about how angry he is with his dead father and as I listened it occurred to me that what my dad did was worse and then I got really angry! I was like a bomb getting ready to explode. I never had faced how angry I was--had never even admitted it to myself--b/c he's dead maybe I don't know. And I realized that I'd uncovered a whole new layer of angst and that it's good to have it out but I really lashed out at a male friend who tried to talk to me during this time. And yes, I am totally disappointed in my dating situation and wondering if it will be possible for me to find someone under the current conditions. After all, I'm treating a very scary disease with a treatment that 99% of the rest of the world doesn't believe in but I believe so strongly in what I'm doing that I'm not willing to give it up--not even to increase my chances of finding a loving partner. It doesn't help that I am rather isolated socially where I live and I'm a democrat in Trump country. That's all I'll say about that except that my tongue is about chewed off from biting it. Would like to move back to St. Louis, closer to my doc but moving is so stressful that I wonder if it's a good idea right now.

So, my point in typing all of this up for your delectation, is that some have speculated about a "cancer personality." If it's a thing, boy do I have it. Some folks get mad when it's brought up, like they are being accused of bringing on their cancer, but I don't see it that way. For one thing, no one asked to have emotional issues either. It's not like you can just turn them off like a faucet. Much of this stuff is buried, in some places quite deep. I call it "digging up bones," a term I coined from a reading of Women Who Run With the Wolves, by Clara Pinkola Estes. ( "La Loba, as told by Clarissa Pinkola Estes in Women Who Run with the Wolves, tells of an old woman who collects bones. When she has a whole wolf skeleton in her bag, she takes them home to her hut. She lays them out meticulously, then lights her fire and sings. Her song puts flesh and hair back on the bones, puts breath in the wolf's body and a beating heart in its chest. When it is ready, the wolf jumps up and runs into the desert. At some moment, mysteriously, the wolf transforms into a woman." ) Of course the actual story is more involved and I love this story. Those bones are me and I am trying to build a coherent picture of my self, from the fragments that were scattered.

Other things I do to help are to meditate and Donna Eden's daily energy routine. I have my support group, which meets monthly, and I have made a big attempt to get out and meet people, even date. It's heartbreaking when I like someone and I tell them I have BC and what I'm doing for it and then I watch them backpedal. The way I figure it though is that I need someone to be with who can have confidence in what I'm doing, or at least in me, and if they don't get the holistic thing they probably won't get me either. Unfortunately it's same old same old story tho--the ones that like me and can handle it are not the ones I like back and vice versa. I generally tell them pretty early on--don't want to lead anyone on, but neither am I going to put that in a dating profile or tell it on the first date. My experience most often has been that a man who really liked me will suddenly do a switch in his head and I'll be downgraded to, "I'd do her . . . " I have learned to wait a lot longer before hopping in the sack than I did before--no I was not a first date girl or even a 3rd date, but I've discovered that even a 10th date is too soon. (Some of you probably rolling your eyes and some probably going, "Whu. . ?" LOL relax, I'm 57. I remain hopeful but will probably have to move.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 31, 2017 08:24PM pipers_dream wrote:

One more thing that I think it's important to add: I am not consistent with my good health habits. I threw everything I knew at it the first year and still cycle in and out of those things, and a lot of my work is done so it's mostly just maintenance. I just got a tough piece of my dental work done--had an exposed gum that needed a graft and they finally convinced me after 40 long years that I must have this done--apparently it collects bacteria down in there and sucks off my immune system, so that was cancer care too.

But back to my consistency point--once that first year is over, if things haven't advanced, the fear can fade pretty quickly. Sometimes it revives--I'll feel twinges in my armpit for a few days for instance, but for the most part I'm pretty fear free. I no longer swallow a bunch of vitamin pills every day and sometimes I do eat junk food, though never sugar. The way we figure it in our support group, we just need to hit the "macros" every day--enough sleep, 80/20 or better on the healthy diet, exercise that gets lymph moving, and the occasional detox. In truth, my tumor stopped growing when I cut out the sugar. I struggle to meet my water needs every day--I just don't seem to have much interest in sipping on a glass of water, so I try to get it with herbal teas and such. So, big breath. Believe it or not, there's more. Later.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 31, 2017 10:06PM ElaineTherese wrote:

Hi pipers dream!

As you can tell from my signature, I'm a conventional medicine gal. But, I admire you for sticking to your convictions. Also, I appreciate your willingness to share your journey so that those who share your convictions can take hope from your success so far. I'm happy to hear you have a support group. Best wishes, in health and in the romance department!

DX IDC June 28, 2014, 5 cm., 1 node tested positive (fine needle biopsy); 0/20 after neoadjuvant chemo + ALND; Grade 3; ER+ PR+ HER2+ Neoadjuvant chemotherapy starting 7/23/14 ACX 4, Taxol X 12, Perjeta X 4; Herceptin: one year Chemotherapy 7/22/2014 AC Targeted Therapy 9/16/2014 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 9/16/2014 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 9/16/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 1/11/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Hormonal Therapy 2/24/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 3/8/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes
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Feb 5, 2017 05:47PM BosumBlues wrote:

Piper, as for me I believe in holistic treatment or a combination of traditional plus, but I am not regimented or disciplined enough, and inherently lazy. I commend you. Yes, I firmly believe that stress can trigger the cancer. I for one believed my cancer began with the shock of my husband just up and leaving one day and then all the crap thereafter was just more food for fire. In periods of heavy stress clearly we do not eat, sleep, we may indulge and self medicate, and we forget to nourish our body and mind. Many can trace back and in my unscientific poll, depending on the grade, there is a direct correlation between a period of unbelievable stress and onset. It sounds so easy to say avoid stress but life happens and usually despite our best efforts it is not avoidable.

I again appreciate you documenting your journey and appreciate your research and what you are implementing to stay healthy and happy. I too am your age and tried the dating thing but as for me I like to be able to focus wholly on myself just now as I never had that. A relationship is give and take and I must say it frightens me getting ill again and not having the support or the help to care for myself but then again at least I won't end up being anyone's nurse maid either. It's a trade off but it works for me now.


Dx IDC
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Apr 12, 2017 02:01PM - edited Apr 12, 2017 02:52PM by mapat

Piper's dream: Thanks for sharing your story with us. It helps a lot to know of others who go this route. I too refused all conventional treatment when I was first diagnosed in 2012, (except 6 months of letrozole last spring, after a 'really bad' winter and being diagnosed in Feb 2016 as stage 4, with mets to bones) Sometimes it just seems like such "a long story" that I don't even know where to start to tell others of my experiences. And sometimes I don't share much just because I don't want that negativity from others about my choices.

Thanks again for sharing.

A plant-based diet is essential for me, as well as various supplements.

Some interesting sites, including many references to scientific studies.

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/healt...

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/healt...

https://www.drmcdougall.com/

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/cancer/



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May 2, 2017 07:47PM pipers_dream wrote:

OK, so I don't know what to make of this so I'll just jump in. Old lady tumor has just melted in the past couple of months. i mean, I think she's gone. Can't be sure without testing of course but it feels like it's so. I do have one very tiny hard little spot but when I got to thinking about it that's where they inserted the marker for surgery. The little pink ribbon thingie. It seemed like they inserted it deeper but then I realized I've lost 30 lbs from then and I was a DD bra size--now I'm a B. I think iodine helped with that--made all the fibrocystic tissue shrink.

The one major thing that could have contributed to it was the gum surgery I had in January but I've done a lot of emotional healing as well and making up with my sister was huge. I had no idea what a black hole that was--sucking off my life. Gosh I didn't even think about her most days while that was going on but I'm thrilled that we're speaking again. I truly do believe that tending to your emotional health is just as important in cancer care. Most of us start with the physical stuff but it's the emotional healing I think that finally made the diff.

I do not intend to go get tested or anything. I mean, what would I do different? Start eating candy again? I have found a routine that I can live with for the rest of my life and don't intend to go back to my old lifestyle anyway and I don't want to get too comfortable if you know what I mean. I truly did go deeper into this journey called life.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 3, 2017 03:33AM Momine wrote:

Piper, just wanted to ditto Elaine-Therese. Thanks for always being willing to share your thoughts and considerations, for being willing to consider things critically, and being open to all points of view.

Dx 6/1/2011, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 7/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 6/20/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 9/13/2011 Mastectomy: Left, Right Radiation Therapy 1/9/2012 Surgery 3/8/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2012 Femara (letrozole)
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May 3, 2017 06:03PM pipers_dream wrote:

Thank all of you for your kind words. We don't all have to agree on our health care plans but I'm glad we can stay civil. And honestly, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 4, 2017 05:55AM obsolete wrote:

Piper, thank you for your truth. Your open sharing has touched and inspired me. I admire the transparent depth of your soul. Your strength in believing is healing energy for us all. Wishing you all the best!

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May 4, 2017 07:14PM pipers_dream wrote:

You know, one thing I've been doing that I think has really helped my health is that I've been working very hard on my digestive issues. I take digestive enzymes and aloe vera juice and try to keep my fluid intake up. These things have helped a lot. I've always been constipated and I have low stomach acid, which is a reason why I haven't really been tempted to do the baking soda cure lol. Low stomach acid is a lot more serious than most people realize since you need it to absorb the nutrients from your food and when food sits in your stomach it can be a miserable experience. I was alerted to it when I stopped being able to eat red meat. Dumb docs put me thru a bunch of expensive tests (over 10 years ago) but not one mentioned the issue of low acidity. I seriously have not ever been to a conventional medical practitioner where they didn't screw something up or miss the obvious, which is why I didn't choose to trust them with my cancer. But, I'm going to try to stay out of that and rejoice that I'm doing so well.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 4, 2017 10:42PM pipers_dream wrote:

I just had a thought--had a long talk on the phone tonight with a friend who is also doing all holistic and she isn't doing so well. She had 6 good years of sparkling health and still feels great at 7 years, but the tumor is starting to bleed--it has grown steadily from the site they put the marker in since dx. She has insurance only thru the ACA and you know what's going to happen to that--pre-existing condition and all. She said something that made me realize a thing about myself and those of us who do holistic. It may not work--most people believe that it's certain that it won't, but we holistics have to believe that it's at least possible.

But here's the thing--all of us in our group believe very strongly that we were the ones who were going to fail with the conventional methods or left badly disabled. After all, not everyone makes it that way either and we all felt that it wasn't going to help us and either we had a presentiment that something bad was going to happen to us, I mean something even worse than cancer, or our beliefs would cause us to fail to respond positively. I guess you'd say we're a "type" lol. So, no one who has actually used holistic health care is going to tell anyone with cancer what they should do--you must believe in what you're doing. As for me, there simply was no other choice and I can't really explain that except to say it was just me--I would not say that my choice is for everyone.

The well-meaning friends and relatives who send you a flyer on the latest holistic fad aren't the ones who actually use this stuff--it sounds ugly but some of them are just curious about whether it would work. They'd be horrified if you pointed that out to them but it's so. These are the ones who give holistic medicine a bad name--those and the spokesmen and women who are pushing a product. Some of those products are quite helpful btw, but none of the ones I found most helpful came with a flashy sticker and a claim that it's not sold in stores and none had a famous spokesperson.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 5, 2017 08:41AM - edited May 5, 2017 08:46AM by obsolete

When we deeply believe, our bodies will follow. ..., Ref 2007 article by Dr Mercola (articles/mercola.com) entitled A New View of Cancer...German New Medicine. Dr Hamer's work had been kept underground, but very interesting. See links at bottom of Dr Mercola's article. (Sorry my tablet is acting up & won't let me copy links) Very enlightening....

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May 7, 2017 09:36PM pipers_dream wrote:

Here's another couple of signs that either my tumor is healing or gone: my immune system came roaring back. I've always been prone to sinus infections and get at least one every year. This year I got two--one after the other and I did my usual trick of adding a couple of drops of oil of oregano to my neti pot brew and then I started to get another one--a third one! It was starting to get bad but I kept putting off doing the neti pot because I hate it lol, and all of a sudden my sinus infection just cleared up. I have never had that happen--either I go to the doc or I do the ooo/neti pot routine. Or I can fast for a couple of days but as you all can imagine, I'd rather do the neti lol. But right after that experience is when I noticed the tumor shrinking quickly.

The other thing is that I have all this energy. I have never been an energetic person in my life--never. Even as a child I would have rather been reading a book than playing any sports and then as a young person I had so many health problems and I slept a lot as a teen and well into my twenties. My house has always been kind of messy and I've always wanted to be an energetic person but couldn't quite get up the gumption to do much unless I really liked it, such as dancing. But lately I've been looking at this house and realizing all the things that must be done so I've put on my roller skates and gone at it. Looks great around here but so much yet to do.


Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 13, 2017 06:05PM BosumBlues wrote:

Piper, thanks for sharing. Your journey fascinates me and I so admire your discipline and conviction. I hate to get on the conspiracy thing but every time I am at the doctor's office and the sweet beauties with their mini skirts and rolly travel bag full of goody drugs and free pens come in, I cringe. If most of cancer is deemed environmental then perhaps nature is the way back. If one believes in a higher power and a god then he put these plants and herbs here to heal us. Wishing you good luck going forward.

Knowing what I know now I would never have done chemo for early stage and seriously considering going off the ALs. Thinking back my son suffered from chronic ear infections since he was an infant. We spent thousands of dollars on Augmentin. One day I asked the pediatrician if there was not a cheaper drug. The doc had no clue how much the Augmentin cost and there after I got a $7 script for amoxicillin. Guess that Honey with the nice legs sold him. Yes, I believe I was overtreated with chemo. Kick back...I don't think so. I just think they can't think outside the box and when one drug causes SEs they prescribe another and then another and another. Drug therapy is all they know. I was healthy before my BC dx and now on 5 drugs to counteract each of the other's SE. There has to be a better way.

Keep posting.

Dx IDC
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Jun 18, 2017 12:42AM Fightcancer2017 wrote:

piper I went the more natural route too. Not sure what type of therapy you did. I would be jterested In hearing more


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Jun 19, 2017 12:54PM 4yourlife wrote:

Piper,


My mother went through having both breasts removed. I thought they were real hasty, but it is done.

I do not know how long this post will last,I am not selling anything,and I do not personally benefit ,other than knowing I may have helped someone,or maybe I posted in the wrong area,but I read your posts. Reducing your sugar intake can only help you , less stress, exercise , rest and diet is all you can do to try to heal.( I am sorry that I do not have a reference for this information, but it is common knowledge ) I also had a cancerous mole on my ear,and I applied urine therapy to it,and I drank it,and it got pushed out of my ear and fell off.I did not know I was even treating it ,but it did take 4 years. I believe in the use of your own urine to try to obtain ultimate health.You will not get the flu or a cold again,and if you do ,it will be mild. It also does wonders for constipation when you do it before you get up in the morning. There are many urine therapy web sites, investigate yourself.


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Jun 19, 2017 01:28PM marijen wrote:

piper I love your story, very inspiring. Would you please tell me the name of the parasite cleanse? And how much iodine you take per day? Drops or seaweed?

Thank you.

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Jun 19, 2017 02:17PM Houston2016 wrote:

Hello, I would like to know have anyone use Whey protein, how does it has any impact on cancer? I rarely eat meat or fish, when I do, I only eat organic chicken or turkey, salmon, or cod. Am I lacking protein, sometimes I eat tofu. Any suggestion would help. Thanks.

Dx 4/5/2016, IDC, Left, Stage IIB, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 4/14/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 10/5/2016 Mastectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 12/12/2016 Whole-breast: Lymph nodes, Chest wall
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Jun 19, 2017 02:55PM marijen wrote:

I love Whey protein, I buy Jarrow at Amazon - only one gram of sugar. But I don't know how it affects cancer except I think it will make your nutrition intake healthier.

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Jun 19, 2017 03:24PM ChiSandy wrote:

All I know is that though it is quite carby, whey protein is a great way (no pun intended) to boost your protein. (Food mfrs.—even natural/organic--often add it to raise the protein content of their products). Of course, it’s verboten if you are a strict ethical vegan, because it comes from dairy--which does exploit an animal. But if your motivation for veganism is health, it should be fine. The cows don’t get milked for the milk’s by-products.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/22/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/1/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/30/2015 Femara (letrozole)

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