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Topic: Purely alternative therapy success stories?

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This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Breastcancer.org does NOT recommend or endorse alternative medicine.

Posted on: Mar 10, 2017 02:18PM

Tom1981 wrote:

I'm bored today and did some sifting through the community. I figured I would post this here as I'm not looking to cause a fight in the alternative therapy section as it seems to do. My wife and I believe in conventional treatments but also are looking at better ways of taking better care of ourselves.

I guess my question is does anyone know of anyone who has successfully thrived for years (10+) without any conventional treatment, surgery included? My problem with most of the alternative theory people is the fact that everyone also had surgery which everyone under the sun going through conventional treatment will tell you is generally the most important part of survival. I'm interested in long term survival where cancer was left in.

I'm not trying to knock anyones beliefs, I believe in the conventional treatment for a lot of reasons. That being said, man/woman has only scratched the surface of what we know about existence. Though things are getting better!

Dx 6/2016, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 6/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 7/15/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 1/24/2017 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right Surgery 1/24/2017 Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Radiation Therapy 4/10/2017 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes, Chest wall Surgery 11/6/2017 Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)
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Mar 10, 2017 02:37PM - edited Mar 10, 2017 02:39PM by abigail48

I noticed the cst I'd had since 1964had risen and hardened in march of 2010. not quite 10y ears but I've had no surgery or any alopathic treatments. no meat for decades and no dairy for a few years. can no longer cook, am nearly eighty and live alone, and the tumor is growning and has grown from the beginning, so as I can't cook I eat prepared amy's vegan organic bowls, have a lot of soy though. also still use a couple of h omeopathic pellets a naturopath gave he online in 2011, no longer do the castor oil packs or the green tea she also gave me though

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Mar 10, 2017 03:02PM Icietla wrote:

Abigail, here is a good soy-free convenience meal produced by Amy's__

https://www.amys.com/our-foods/indian-vegetable-korma

My latest (Stage IVB) diagnosis is almost certainly of another distant primary type. To the best of my information and belief, I am still apparently what we call NED as to breast cancer, doubtless thanks to Letrozole. Dx 2/12/2016, ILC, Right, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 0/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 2/19/2016 Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Left Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2016 Femara (letrozole) Surgery 4/25/2016 Prophylactic ovary removal Dx 8/2018, Stage IV
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Mar 11, 2017 12:50AM - edited Mar 11, 2017 12:59AM by Icietla

Hi Tom1981. I do not know of anyone having been conventionally diagnosed and then having survived feeling good/comfortable for that long without any conventional treatment. But I do not get out much, and my world is rather small.

I am a member of another breast cancer support group on the Internet, and I sometimes look in on some discussions at another one too. Once in a long while a newly diagnosed young woman will join, already decided and determined to cure herself of breast cancer with no conventional treatment whatsoever. They typically participate for no more than a couple of days on just their own introductory discussion threads, then they never come back. They are not withdrawing from abuse on those websites -- they are treated with respect and caring, and they are assured of other members' support. I think they do not come back because the other members simply cannot give them the answers they seek -- they have some alternative solutions in mind, and they want to be informed of more alternative solutions.

This is not what you were asking for, but it might be of interest anyway. See, in particular, paragraphs 4 and 5, and also the discussion section further down and numbered 5, in this literature review article here__

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/rejecting-cancer-treatment-what-are-the-consequences/

Here is the older published study to which that article links in its paragraph 5__

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1925646/

My latest (Stage IVB) diagnosis is almost certainly of another distant primary type. To the best of my information and belief, I am still apparently what we call NED as to breast cancer, doubtless thanks to Letrozole. Dx 2/12/2016, ILC, Right, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 0/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 2/19/2016 Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Left Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2016 Femara (letrozole) Surgery 4/25/2016 Prophylactic ovary removal Dx 8/2018, Stage IV
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Mar 11, 2017 04:18AM Lily55 wrote:

Abigail, when were you diagnosed with cancer? What kind was it please?

Dx 4/2012, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 7/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/2/2012 Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 8/14/2012 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 7/18/2013 Aromasin (exemestane) Radiation Therapy 3/7/2019 External: Bone Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel)
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Mar 11, 2017 04:30AM Lily55 wrote:

the article quoted only uses chemotherapy as a systemic treatment, whereas hormone therapy is also systemic. I refused chemotherapy and have accepted the additional 8% risk as I had a much higher risk of life affecting side effects such as losing all kidney function. I use alternative treatments, make sure I exercise as that is shown to be the best way to avoid recurrence, I am almost five years from diagnosis. If the research had stated which CAM treatments were studied this would be more worthwhile as a decision aid. There are unprven treatments but also many with good research result

Dx 4/2012, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 7/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/2/2012 Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 8/14/2012 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 7/18/2013 Aromasin (exemestane) Radiation Therapy 3/7/2019 External: Bone Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel)
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Mar 27, 2017 04:13PM bcann wrote:

In Feb 2017, I was diagnosed with Er+ on my left and Her2+ on my right breast. I went ahead with double masectomy but not started any other treatments yet. I have read a lot on alternate and herbal therapies but not able to make decisions. I'm looking forward to any of you sharing your stories of alternate treatments and how it has been living with that for many years.

Im just over 35, blessed with a child. I found about my cancer when we started to plan the second one. Living healthy matter so much looking at the young children at home. I believe that if your body can trigger cancer it can also suppress the same cells. Its how you prepare your body to fight itself. Prior to surgery, I followed some herbal options like using neem, turmeric, wheat grass, lot of cruciferous veggies, soursop, yoga and so on. Since my tumors were big, my family did not agree with avoiding the surgery but I want to think if its wise to avoid the other treatments now.

Thank you for sharing your life experiences and stories, that can guide many others like me and give us better lives

Dx 2/27/2017, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Dx 2/27/2017, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ (IHC)
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Mar 27, 2017 04:25PM ElaineTherese wrote:

pipers_dream, I believe, has gone a purely alternative path, with no surgery. You may want to check out some of her posts. You can search for them through her username

DX IDC June 28, 2014, 5 cm., 1 node tested positive (fine needle biopsy); 0/20 after neoadjuvant chemo + ALND; Grade 3; ER+ PR+ HER2+ Neoadjuvant chemotherapy starting 7/23/14 ACX 4, Taxol X 12, Perjeta X 4; Herceptin: one year Chemotherapy 7/23/2014 AC Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 9/17/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Hormonal Therapy 2/25/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 3/9/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes
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Mar 27, 2017 07:44PM pipers_dream wrote:

Hi Elaine, I'm here now. It's true I've only done holistic with conventional dx but I've only been doing this for 3.5 years. The tumor is beginning to feel like swiss cheese and has definitely shrunk. I'm not perfect with my program but I do stay away from sugar pretty consistently and the emotional part of my healing has been most useful.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Mar 27, 2017 08:04PM ElaineTherese wrote:

Glad to hear you're doing well, pipers. And yes, sometimes people forget that healing has its emotional side as well.

DX IDC June 28, 2014, 5 cm., 1 node tested positive (fine needle biopsy); 0/20 after neoadjuvant chemo + ALND; Grade 3; ER+ PR+ HER2+ Neoadjuvant chemotherapy starting 7/23/14 ACX 4, Taxol X 12, Perjeta X 4; Herceptin: one year Chemotherapy 7/23/2014 AC Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 9/17/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Hormonal Therapy 2/25/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 3/9/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes
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Mar 28, 2017 08:35PM pipers_dream wrote:

Yes Elaine, I think it was Einstein who said you can't solve a problem with the same mindset that created it.

Here's an interesting thing about all holistic tho--you can get really healthy and feel better than you've ever felt in your life but still have the tumor. You can get to the point in your gratitude practice where you are so so thankful that you got cancer b/c it woke you up and forced you to face yourself and your life and resolve the unsolved issues. It's a bonus that you get to lose weight and have your friends and family gather round, tho they don't hover long with holistic b/c you're fine--you don't get sick and discouraged like you surely do with conventional. But. . . you still have that tumor. And my doc said that I could live 30 years with this thing in my body, which I've learned to embrace b/c the old hag is my very best teacher I've ever had. And the great thing is, I don't mind having her--she keeps me honest and I'm not afraid anymore. Maybe I'll die next year but I doubt it b/c I can out-dance anyone on the dance floor (in energy, not skill lol) and that must surely count for something. Maybe i"ll die next year but I will consider the whole thing worth it because I have healed my soul. Also, I've mended my relationship with my sister and that feels really good.

Breast cancer should not be something to fear but rather a call to go deeper in this journey called life. Dx 11/14/2013, ILC, 5cm, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Mar 28, 2017 09:08PM ElaineTherese wrote:

There are no guarantees for any of us, pipers_dream. Longtermsurvivor always said that there's a difference between curing and healing. Curing is nice, but healing is the best.

DX IDC June 28, 2014, 5 cm., 1 node tested positive (fine needle biopsy); 0/20 after neoadjuvant chemo + ALND; Grade 3; ER+ PR+ HER2+ Neoadjuvant chemotherapy starting 7/23/14 ACX 4, Taxol X 12, Perjeta X 4; Herceptin: one year Chemotherapy 7/23/2014 AC Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 9/17/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Hormonal Therapy 2/25/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 3/9/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes

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