Apr 24, 2017 10:52PM - edited Apr 25, 2017 03:01PM by ChiSandy
This forum is a safe, judgement-free place to discuss Alternative medicine. Alternative medicine refers to treatments that are used INSTEAD of standard, evidence-based treatment. Breastcancer.org does NOT recommend or endorse alternative medicine.
Posted on: Apr 24, 2017 09:08PM - edited Apr 26, 2017 07:26AM by Moderators
Physics affects our mind-body-soul connections to planet Earth & Universe. Embrace this connection and you embrace LIFE. Embrace life and you embrace HEALTH.
A long new video presentation, a bit exasperating, but it's worth watching.
Wishing the Keshe Foundation every success in this endeavor.
"The Keshe Foundation is proud to announce a new cancer solution breakthrough! It is simple, inexpensive, and accessible to everyone. Imagine there is a technology, which can not only balance your physical body, but also helps you finding out the roots of your own disease or the one of your patients! This technology, this knowledge is already available and, as in every section of the Keshe Foundation, the knowledge is free for everyone, you can use it for yourself!"
"Nuclear Engineer Mehran Tavakoli Keshe will unveil, for the first time to the public, the new revolutionary cancer processing and clinical trial results by the use of new plasma technology in collaboration between the Keshe Foundation and Tokyo University Scientists. Full clinical trial case with breast cancer will be presented by the doctors using this revolutionary processing...."
"Disclaimer: Every individual and company must take full responsibility for applying this new knowledge shared freely from the Keshe Foundation."Log in to post a reply
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Apr 24, 2017 10:52PM - edited Apr 25, 2017 03:01PM by ChiSandy
Apr 24, 2017 10:57PM Lisey wrote:
Sandy, this is an alternative medicine post, so your snarky comment isn't really helpful or nice. Pot is an alternative medicine with no peer review either, in fact, nothing in this section would be peer reviewed so frankly I think your comment is just meant to attack the poster. Not cool
Apr 24, 2017 11:19PM Fearless59 wrote:
Agreed. I think those of us whose "heart is here" at the alternative medicine section do not generally expect scientific proof. But we all have the right to share our thoughts and suggestions in the spirit of help. Sandy, this is not the first time. Please go play somewhere else.
Apr 25, 2017 08:12AM - edited Apr 25, 2017 08:12AM by Lisey
Apr 25, 2017 08:34AM dtad wrote:
Just don't understand why those who are against alternative methods feel compelled to post here. There is really no where safe on this forum to discuss this....
Apr 25, 2017 08:40AM - edited Apr 25, 2017 09:44AM by obsolete
People shouldn't feel threatened by advances in quantum physics, as physics evolves at a fast pace. New plasma technologies should be received in the same spirit, in which it was meant to be delivered. It's only natural that physics is rewritten every 20 years or so. It's OK.
It's a pity that people, such as Lisey and Fearless, must kindly remind people of internet etiquette, because a cancer website is no place to express anger management issues. Thank you, Lisey and Fearless, for your support because some people cannot conduct themselves in a non-disruptive manner.
Webster's Dictionary defines "troll" as antagonizing others online by deliberately posting irrelevant or offensive comments or other disruptive content. Yup! **
It's exciting new plasma technology, such as presented in subject video, that has the potential to change the lives of us BC patients. Never lose hope!
**Edit: : MODs, please take notice
Apr 25, 2017 09:52AM motheroffoursons wrote:
Reading about this physics connection, I feel I am exploring an alternative religion and not an alternative treatment for breast cancer.
Apr 25, 2017 11:53AM motheroffoursons wrote:
I just looked up Keshe foundation. They sell something that does not exist. Only $7999 Euros! That is about $8700
Its a bunch of science mumbo jumbo.Plasma Coil Unit Basic
Using Plasma Coil Unit Basic, which is based on magnetic-gravitational field interaction, the back wall emits plasma fields through an organism to the front wall, helping to bring the organism back to balance.
Dimensions: 60x65x60 cm + 10x10x210 cm
Total Weight: 40 kg
The shipping costs will be calculated additionally according to the destination after the order is placed and added later on to the order total. You can opt to inquire the shipping costs before issuing the payment.
Apr 25, 2017 02:35PM obsolete wrote:
As mentioned in the Keshe Foundation video presentation, all Keshe product blueprints are and/or will be downloaded onto the Keshe website for free distribution. People with a basic electro-mechacal background can build the devices themselves. This eliminates concerns regarding product lead times, availability and prohibitive costs.
My family had already used the Keshe pain pen & wrap-around pain pads with great success. Others already power their homes with the Keshe designed free-energy power generators, which they built themselves.
Keshe designs are new & cutting edge fringe technology to be used, of course, at one's own risk. Note the disclaimers cited in original post and on Keshe foundation website.
This post is for informational purposes. This is a judgment free forum.
Apr 25, 2017 03:02PM - edited Apr 25, 2017 03:10PM by argynis
As a physicist and cancer patient reading such crap about new miraculous treatments based on quantum physics etc. makes me want to throw up. Greedy people trying to rip off desperate people with fancy devices based on pseudo-science.
Such treatments, in the best of cases, won't do much harm and the placebo effect is your friend.
"This is a judgment free forum." Yes I totally agree, but this forum should not be a science-free forum and there should be no space for spreading misinformation. Alternative treatments are sometimes a good addition to conventional treatments, but such treatments should not be based on "alternative physics".
Apr 25, 2017 03:15PM soozy wrote:
I'm confused. Why does this forum have an alternative area if abuse of the people posting on it is allowed? There are many religious posts (non scientific). People who think chemo is harmful to some people don't tell the women on the chemo forums that they are stupid. This is very unfriendly behavior.
Apr 25, 2017 03:28PM - edited Apr 25, 2017 03:29PM by argynis
Nobody is abusing anybody, I am sorry if you want to stay in your alternative area bubble - I will stay out of it in future. In my opinion there is a difference between religious views and rip-off schemes based on pseudo-science. I wanted to create awareness. Sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings.
Apr 25, 2017 05:48PM Italychick wrote:
There is a magic button called "Block" if a forum offends you. Please feel free to use it. As said above, alternative treatments don't typically go through the Trials of more conventional treatments, so most of it relies on anecdotal comments. I for one enjoy reading and thinking about alternative methods even if I don't agree or practice all of them. Some drugs, such as metformin for example, are used as off-label treatments even though I don't believe there is any Trial that has proven it to be effective. Otherwise it would be prescribed for every person diagnosed with breast cancer. But if it helps somebody, then I'm all for it. Likewise with D3, it hasn't been entirely "proven" but there are lots of people who say it helps them with aromatase inhibitor pain if they keep their D3 levels high, and so some standard of care places, such as UCSD have said there is value in keeping D3 levels high. Proven? Not really. Does it help? Some say it does, so I say go for it if it helps you.
I also agree that there are a lot of religious posts that are never attacked, and religion is not proven either. Having said that, I was raised Catholic, and my personal religious beliefs are my own.
So to restate, there is a magic button called "Block' that can be used if you don't want to see a particular forum again.
Peace and love to all.
Apr 25, 2017 06:29PM pipers_dream wrote:
OK, you guys know me--holistic all the way. I haven't had a chance to watch the whole movie but I've seen enough to think it may be hooey, based on truth. I'm not going to say for sure just yet. I do wish folks wouldn't just jump in and use stuff like this to discredit the holistic movement though--give us the benefit of realizing that we can discern these things for ourselves.
The feeling I get with this is that they are playing into the belief that there is some "magic bullet" for cancer and I just don't think there ever will be. Cancer is a systemic disease and we all have different factors that go into our condition and some folks get it because they didn't eat right or they live near a bad water source or radon gas is coming in their home, or they have high levels of lead and mercury in their body. Whatever it is, it's something that threw our body out of balance and rx meds can do that too. How many of you were aware before dx that many of the pills your doc gives you require you to take extra nutrients? I was taking adderall and that causes you to need more magnesium and statins cause you to need more co-Q-10. That's for starters.
Many of us here recall a period of unrelenting stress a few years before the dx. Some folks have some unresolved emotional issues from way back and just because you weren't abused doesn't mean that you didn't suffer from these issues.
As for me, I have done all the physical treatment that I could do and now I'm doing emotional work. I grew up in a pretty dysfunctional family that looked like a totally normal, well educated, suburban family in a nice midwest college town. I have learned that no two kids are ever raised in the same family and the greatest thing that's come up this year is that I'm reconciling with a sister that I have barely spoken to since we were in our twenties. OMG, I thought she was awful--horrible mother to her kids, ran off to NYC to be a prostitute in her young twenties, lied about everything--I felt perfectly justified in freezing her out in my heart. Then I learned her story. . . Let's just say that we all did her a horrible disservice and till the day I die I will work at making it up to her. I feel like I've had blinders stripped off my eyes. And guess what--that old hag tumor is starting to shrink. Emotional healing is extremely important and there has been much research lately confirming that it may be the only thing that heals. A nurse at my holistic doc's office one day expressed some surprise that I still have cancer and said that usually when it's taking this long, there is some unresolved emotional issues lurking. Yep in my case.
I've read some great books on this topic and I'll share some of them for anyone who may be interested. Molecules of Emotion by Candace Pert. The Biology of Belief by Bruce Lipton. You Are the Placebo: Making Your Mind Matter by Joe Dispenza. You Can Heal YOur Life by Louise Hay. Mind Over Medicine: Scientific Proof That You Can Heal Yourself by Lissa Rankin MD. Radical Remission: Surviving Cancer Against All Odds by Kelly Turner, PhD.
And argynis, you said that the placebo effect is your friend. There is more truth there than you know and it's why I would never tell someone how they should treat a disease. You must believe in your tx plan and you must believe that it will help you and not hurt you. I have no idea about this equipment, but I'm just trying to give some perspective here and hope that people will stop fighting about whether holistic works. It does. Whether I live or die in the next few months (death not looking imminent), my tx has been successful because I feel better and I'm happier than I've ever been in my entire life. Is that a cure or what? And guess what--I adore my sister! OMG, she is a tower of strength, esp after what we put her thru.
Apr 26, 2017 06:04AM - edited Apr 26, 2017 06:47AM by obsolete
Correct, there will never be a "magic bullet" ... I agree. All disease stems from psyche, based on my own research & experience. Conflict loss, I theorize was a contributing factor to my BC, due partly to tragedy (family deaths). Piper, Bruce Lipton PhD works are spot on, Biology of Belief. Amazing stuff requires an open mind... Closed belief systems not allowing Intel to penetrate barriers formed by indoctrination & social engineering. We are all energy beings, all affected by and connected to ether, universal consciousness.
Quantum Mechanics theory is non-local. Zero point energy is suppressed. In fact, the jury is still out on Bohr V. Einstien, by the way. Physicists today, with limita of imperfect lab equipment, insufficient mathematics and imperfect physics "theory", until proven otherwise, can NOT disprove quantum theory. Sandskirt language, Vedic texts, indicate ancient knowledge. Keshe's working Magrav tech is being suppressed in USA, but both foreign & domestic militaries & private military contractors use and/or evaluated Keshe devices out in the field. Foreign governments continue to use Keshe designs. Much suppression of new technologies in the states, just as was the case with Tesla genius. In my opinion, Keshe is another budding Einstein in the making. Both medicine and science are imperfect.
Apr 26, 2017 07:23AM Moderators wrote:
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Apr 27, 2017 10:47AM Momine wrote:
It is rather sad that the company can get away with this.
Apr 28, 2017 10:37AM Moderators wrote:
The alternative medicine forum is be a safe place to discuss alternative treatments for cancer. This, however, does not imply that members cannot bring up question the data, science, or the mention of potential abuses from industry and/or misinformation. Every comment and discussion point however must be made with the utmost respect for the other members, and understanding that if the topic is simply uncomfortable to you, or you flat out disagree with the topic and are only participating to cause debate and disruption, you are advised to block it, or risk a warning or ban with continued disruption.
Apr 28, 2017 09:15PM obsolete wrote:
The Keshe Foundation is an off-shore NON-PROFIT organization engaged in new tech to benefit humanity.
"... aims to develop new scientific... solutions to major global problems like famine, ... climate change and disease..."
I personally view non-profit organizations as admirable.
The Keshe team in video (minute 8) desires to engage medical physicians and offers weekly medical teaching workshops.regarding non-invasive plasma technology.
Apr 28, 2017 10:02PM obsolete wrote:
Admittedly, Plasma Science is still in its infancy & still rapidly evolving. I agree it is only wise to approach with healthy skepticism & hope. Plasma functions in manners that scientists do not yet fully understand. But functional products (plasma pain pen, plasma pain pad) are already here. Science does not yet understand the potential for plasma, which is interesting for the medical field.
(Not plasma TV technology) Plasma technology can eliminate pain by balancing the plasma in our bodies using an infinite supply (matter, energy, gravity, light, electro-magnetism, consciousness). It's my understanding the Keshe pain pen and pain pad designs are only suitable for boney (hands, feet, knees, hips & shoulder), but not suitable for organs. See YouTube videos for instructions to build yourself. However, not everyone experiences compete pain relief for reasons unknown.
As in the video (link above), the proposed Keshe process is a total body-mind-soul modality. Emotional healing is big with Mr Keshe.
Mr Keshe's product design drawings can be downloaded for free at the Keshe Foundation website.
Hoping this clarification clears up any confusion. Best healing energy to all!
Apr 29, 2017 08:48AM - edited Apr 29, 2017 09:03AM by Momine
In general, a medical company being non-profit would be admirable. But if they are charging 8000 smackeroos for some hocus-pocus machine, then somebody is making money somewhere. Non-profits are allowed to pay staff, buy property etc. Also wonder why it is off-shore
ETA: After a little digging, it turns out that Mr. Keshe is the Messiah: https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/11/21/keshes-wiki/
Apr 29, 2017 01:27PM - edited Apr 29, 2017 01:30PM by Artista928
Wow. Can't say I'm surprised this is a scam. The offshore and 8K should be a huge flag for scam. Just like when you get a voice mail from the IRS with the number originating from Nigeria telling me I need to wire money or they will come to arrest me. True story. Seriously ladies, not trying to be mean but if any of you are financially strapped like me, 8K is a huge amount of $ to blow for sure. ikesl
Apr 29, 2017 01:48PM exbrnxgrl wrote:
Thank you for your respectful questioning of Keshe. I reposted your link to make it live.
Thank you for supporting respectful questioning and discourse. Whether choosing conventional or alternative tx, questioning and trying to gain knowledge of ones options is a good thing. If someone discovered info that proved my oncologist to be a fraud or scamming people, I'd want to know about it. I would not consider the revelation of those facts to be unsupportive or disrespectful at all, indeed, it would be just the opposite.
Apr 29, 2017 03:26PM obsolete wrote:
On March 27, 2027, 10:07a.m., BCO.org Alternative Forum: How to Treat An Ulcerated (breast) Tumor, the moderators nicely wrote: "... We ask that you please cite a Reputable Source --which is described also in put community guidelines. If you do not have one, we ask that you refrain from posting..."
With all due respect, Momine et al, your referenced link has the signatures of "disinformation" written all over it. NO Author. NO Credits. NO references. NO credible links. Any anonymous clown can publish anything on WordPress.
Please, let's cite ONLY REPUTABLE SOURCES. Thanks.
Apr 29, 2017 03:55PM obsolete wrote:
Since the above referenced link (by Momine) briefly mentioned VeteransToday.com, let's examine the Veterans Today's article by VT Senior Editor, Mr Gordon Duffe read by many millions of people globally over many years.
"I have managed health programs as a diplomat and worked in and around healthcare technologies... I am a skeptic ... I have been following and working with Keshe for several years now. There have been more failures than successes... I have seen his technology work, Colonel Hanke powers his home with Keshe tech, yet others can't make it work....I am not a scientist. Keshe is my friend. I don't entirely understand him, and at times it seems as almost as though he were hooked ino another reality... Keshe is part Einstein..... I Believe there will be a treatment based on his work ..."
"I check credentials and backgrounds, I look for enemies, for frauds and thieves, I keep things as clean as I can, but I don't practice medicine"
"Listen and make YOUR OWN DECISIONS." -- Gordon Duff, Senior Editor, Veterans Today.com
There is NO COST to download Keshe Foundation product design drawings. Make any products yourselves or get somebody with a basic electro-mechanical background to build Keshe designs for you. However, please consult your physician before using any new tech devices.
Apr 29, 2017 04:25PM - edited Apr 29, 2017 04:32PM by Icietla
Obsolete, that was not a quote. This is a quote:
"Keshe is part Einstein and part Donald Trump"
Apr 29, 2017 06:08PM - edited Apr 29, 2017 06:08PM by ChiSandy
Meanwhile, is anyone else here as frustrated as I am that we in the U.S. don't have access to the medical treatments that make the Cuban health system so cutting edge, with life expectancies as long as ours despite their citizens' grinding poverty??? (Last night's episode of HBO's “Vice" mentioned some of these treatments, in both diabetes & lung cancer. There is one, count'em, one co-operative US/Cuba trial going on at Roswell labs up in Buffalo). THOSE are “alternatives" I'd like to see.