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Posted on: Mar 6, 2018 07:25PM - edited Apr 7, 2018 08:43AM by shockedat29

shockedat29 wrote:

Warning: this post is long and it may seem like I'm saying a bunch of jibberish, but I just had to write down all of my thoughts. Has anyone shared a similar experience/feeling to mine?

A little bit about myself: I am Chinese-American, so growing up, my mom has been a huge proponent of Eastern medicine (not very trusting of Western medicine, or maybe just not as familiar? not sure). I'm also kind of a millennial health freak... I buy organic produce, love eating salads, I don't eat fast food (except in-n-out occasionally, heh, hard to turn down), I don't eat burnt foods, turned pescatarian a few years ago, I only take aspirin if I absolutely have to, etc...I'm a total health nut (except when chips and fries are in front of me, but I try to not buy them for myself, hahaha)

So because my mom is so into Eastern Medicine, I've tried some alternative treatments before for regular run-of-the-mill illnesses/body pains such as coining and acupuncture. Some of the alternative treatments my mom has made me try has been questionable in terms of usefulness and effectiveness. I didn't realize how unfounded some of these treatments were until I grew up, went to college (where the internet really boomed with information), learned a little bit about statistics and studies, and grew super proficient at googling everything.

However, I still believe Eastern medicine can have it's place. I mean, most drugs are made from plants and herbs. But....I think dried up seahorses and bear bile are really out there and crazy.

So to summarize: I kind of believe in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), but I am still skeptical of it

Anyways, onto my BC story...

Back in mid-Nov, my breasts started hurting, just like they would hurt during my menstrual cycle, but it was persistent for two months. Also, I felt a noticeable lump, maybe the size of a pea. After the holidays, I called in to get it checked out.
1/23 - I went to see an OBGYN
2/9 - Went to the Breast Care Clinic and they did a fine needle biopsy
2/16 - Went back to get Ultrasound & Mammogram. They confirmed that it looked cancerous. Did a core needle biopsy
2/28 - Met with Plastic Surgeon and General Surgeon, scheduled surgery for end of April.

The reason why the surgery was schedule for the end of April was because when I told my mom about my cancer, she said she knew this guy in CHINA who uses acupuncture and other TCM, and HAS HELPED PEOPLE CURE THEIR CANCER. Of course....I'm skeptical because this is of course CANCER and not just a muscle ache or anything. But at the same time, I kind of want to believe that it will help. Long story short, I expedited my renewing my passport and was just approved for my visa. I'm leaving on Tuesday for a month. I feel like a crazy person chasing after a "non-evidence based" treatment, but I feel like I owe it to myself as a "health-nut, all natural person" to try it before I decide on surgery.

The thought of surgery and having to go through hormone pills (at the minimum, might be radiation, or chemo) freaked me out. The hormone pills are recommended for 5 years and it'll effect fertility. I mean, I'm 29! The thought of taking hormone pills scares me because I don't even take birth control. I'm not ok with having all these unnatural chemicals and procedures done on my body without trying something else first. Still...as an educated person who understands the importance of clinical studies, I can't help but want to find something else even though the standard practice (surgery, hormone pills) is effective.

In the meantime, I've been eating lots of ginger, garlic, turmeric (with oil and black pepper), cruciferous veggies, and reading about other alternative treatments. I've been on so many blogs about how people have cured their own cancers. But being the skeptic I am, I look for holes in their stories, or I google a person's name with the word "hoax." A lot of times I find that people's stories are not what I'm looking for. Many people with blogs who have "cured" their cancer, get surgery, but decline chemo or radiation. However, they didn't cure their cancer, their surgeon did when they cut it out. And their surgeon did such a good job that they took it all out and didn't have residual cancer cells that chemo or radiation would have killed. So I started to look for more "science-based" treatments that were not standard practice.

I found two alternative treatments that has been tested by "Western Medicine" and I found hyperthermia and HIFU. I bought these heatpacks to put on my breast to see if it would help (doc. said I could keep doing it but doesn't think it would help.) HIFU (high-intensity focused ultrasound) seemed REALLY promising. It's FDA approved for prostate cancer, and it could be a replacement for surgery. However, when I spoke to a really renowned breast cancer surgeon (who I was able to make contact w/ due to a surprising connection from someone at work) about HIFU, she didn't seem to enthusiastic about it because the effectiveness rate of HIFU was just not as effective as the standard treatment.

Feeling disappointed about not having much support about hyperthermia and HIFU, I decided to look into how acupuncture and TCM could help with cancer and it's making me want to believe that it could help. So apparently, the guy my mom wants me to see is trying to strengthen my immune system so that my immune system fights off the cancer itself. They say everyone has pre-cancer and cancer cells in their body and the immune system is constantly fighting them and the ones that develop cancer have weaker immune systems. Later on, I read about cases were cancers spontaneously disappear on their own. These are called "miracles," but....they don't miraculously disappear...the immune system definitely played a role. So those were all my thoughts as I was trying to rationalize going to China for a treatment that I'm so skeptical about. It totally makes sense to me....

I don't know...I feel crazy, but I also feel hopeful. Oh I also need to add in that my mom is a massage therapist who studies various massage practices such as acupressure points and meridian flows, stuff like that. She had this one client back in 2009 who was diabetic for 12 years, had to take a bunch of pills daily and needed a cane to walk. My mom massage her twice a week for 2 months and the client lost weight, didn't need to take medication anymore, and no longer needed her cane. It was shocking that her massages were so helpful. My mom says even TCM doctors don't believe her, but I've seen it, I met this lady a couple of times. So I know that methods that aren't "standard" can be successful. I guess that's what I'm hoping for when going to China.

Also, in these last few days, my lump has been harder and harder to find...it kind of seems like it's smaller, but I'm not trying to get my hopes up. After China, I'm going to come back, get a check up and decide if I move on with my surgery appointment.

I just felt like I needed to document my true and honest story on trying a treatment that isn't considered "standard care." I'm not selling anything like any of those blogs you read. I just needed to write down my entire thought process in these last few weeks. I feel like if it's not successful, then people need to know. But if it is successful...then...oh my god....

Dx 2/9/2018, DCIS/IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+
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Apr 30, 2018 09:10AM Kirat11 wrote:

I have never heard of turkey tail supplements, you know I will be looking in to it now, I have been on the fence with acupuncture, I do believe it has a lot of benefits, my husband had great results with back pains when he was in China, will definitely check on that as well, anything really that is holistic, my oncologist is on board.

I appreciate everyone here, love all stories and ideas.

Dx 12/8/2017, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, PR-, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 3/4/2018 Femara (letrozole) Targeted Therapy Kisqali
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Apr 30, 2018 10:20AM - edited May 4, 2018 05:13PM by Whirlaway

turkey tail or Coriolis. If you search the board here, there are already several threads. That's how I found it and then my Naturopath wanted me on it too. I think they use it in Japan with chemo as standard care.

I had a bad reaction to anti-nausea meds so had to do dose dense A/C chemo without it which was brutal but going to acupuncture twice a week helped me getting through it. Nurses said to me, keep doing what your are doing!

Wishing you the best!


Dx 7/2016, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 8/31/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Chemotherapy 10/19/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 4/3/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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May 1, 2018 09:52PM AliceKo wrote:

enerva, yes I too would like to wake up from this nightmare. We can't regulate body pH with soda. It's much more complex than that. We can drink more water, but that's about it

Dx 2/2017, IDC, Left, Stage IIB, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Surgery 6/21/2017 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Fat grafting, Silicone implant, Tissue expander placement Surgery Mastectomy; Reconstruction (left): Fat grafting, Silicone implant Targeted Therapy Herceptin (trastuzumab) Hormonal Therapy Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel)
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May 4, 2018 03:33PM Kirat11 wrote:

Whirlaway

I ordered the Turkey tails and got it the other day, I'm hopeful and will definitely find out it's effectiveness on my next lab draw but I'm quite happy that I think it helped me sleep for 7 hours straight for the first time without taking Benadryl and I don't know if it's just me being too optimistic but I think it's also alleviating my joint pains!.

I appreciate this idea greatly.

Dx 12/8/2017, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, PR-, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 3/4/2018 Femara (letrozole) Targeted Therapy Kisqali
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May 4, 2018 04:48PM Whirlaway wrote:

Kirat11, I am so glad to hear you slept well!

I am no expert on supplements but my naturopath wanted me to take the Turkey tail during all my treatments (which I did) and then I weaned myself off the following month. On my bottle it said not to take it more than 9 months which was exactly the time I needed it. I think it is a good idea to take a break from supplements but I have met other cancer patients who just take it all the time.

As for the sleeping you could always try CBD oil. I am in Canada and just recently got my prescription for it. It is anti-inflammatory and it helps me sleep! Since I had a large tumor near the under arm I had heavy rads. Unfortunately one lymph node got chronically inflamed and my surgeon wants to take it out as it keeps pushing on a nerve but my onco disagrees. So far the CBD really helped - I used to wake up 7 times from pain and my sleep quality and time improved big time! Not perfect but so much better!

I also take 10 mg Melatonin at bed time. The CBD kicks in about 1+ h and the Melatonin makes me fall asleep quickly along with a few minutes of mediation and ocean sound waves.

Fingers crossed for your labs!!


Dx 7/2016, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 8/31/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Chemotherapy 10/19/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 4/3/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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May 5, 2018 08:53AM dtad wrote:

Whirlaway...may I ask what kind of CBD oil and where did you get it? Does it have any THC in it?

Dx 3/20/2015, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/10/2015, ILC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/21/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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May 5, 2018 02:21PM Whirlaway wrote:

dtad, I am in Canada and it is by prescription only. It is prescribed by my cancer pain clinic and I buy it online. If you are in Canada you can pm me and I can give you the company's name. I am only allowed to buy it from one source.

The CBD is 1:20 - in 0.5 ml there are 10 mg CBD and 0.5 mg THC (almost all CBD). I am very sensitive to the plant which is not a bad thing as it allows me to get benefits from a small dose as the oil is expensive. It is organic.

Dx 7/2016, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 8/31/2016 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Chemotherapy 10/19/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 4/3/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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May 6, 2018 08:24AM dtad wrote:

Thanks so much!

Dx 3/20/2015, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/10/2015, ILC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/21/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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May 13, 2018 12:25AM exercise_guru wrote:

Would you need a lumpectomy or a mastectomy?

The surgery will likely not as bad as you think it is. The imagining is the worst.


Age 42 05/15/2015 PALB2 mutation, DBL Breast Cancer Type 1A Grade 3 ER+PR+(right 1.3cm,.5cm) HERr+(left1.6 cm), 06/26/2015 BMX with TE 8/27/15 Chemotherapy TCH 12/30/2015 TAH/BSO/Reconstruction 1/29/16 Arimidex 3/1/16 Femara 5/6/16 Tamoxifen
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May 13, 2018 05:17PM Carol_U wrote:

Hi... Your post was so positive, thorough and reassuring, thank you. Would love to know how you went in China.

I was diagnosed DCIS 3 months ago and have been trying just about all alternatives (proactive and reactive) simultaneously. I have cancelled surgery 3 times, as I have a lot of confidence I can beat this responsibly and naturally. I too am health nut and vegetarian all my life (I've never even had a McDonald's meal). So the Western medicine way seems barbaric and totally against everything I believe in.

I'm really keen to hear the long story of how you are going in your quest to stay healthy and avoid chemicals etc..

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May 13, 2018 07:07PM shockedat29 wrote:

Hi Carol,

I'm going to pm you. I haven't really updated here because this journey can be an emotional rollercoaster.

I had a sonocine ultrasound a few days ago, which is able to see through dense breast tissue better than mammograms and ultrasounds. The Dr said that the area where the lump was doesn't even look like cancer, but there is something there. But the area where I have dcis looks like I have invasive cells there too.

OK, I will pm you.

Dx 2/9/2018, DCIS/IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+
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Jun 10, 2018 08:27AM sydney2013 wrote:

Hello everyone,

Enerva,

Our stories are similar in several ways, but I will attempt to keep this somewhat short. I too was diagnosed with ILC about 4 years ago, and after complaining to my gynecologist for months and arguing that I wanted a hysterectomy (she didn't think there was a need when all I complained about was heavy bleeding and the ultrasounds only showed a fibroid and cyst), I went to another gynecologist who is also an oncologist. Turns out I was right (always trust your gut), my cancer was back. The pathology from the hysterectomy showed the ILC was there, everything they took out had cancer. Prior to the surgery, I had internal ultrasounds, and a biopsy, all came back negative, even the sample they tested during surgery was negative, but it was all wrong/missed. I had told the first gynocologist during our months of tests and discussions, unless you can do a test, that can guarantee me there is no cancer there, I want the hysterectomy. She believed that a hysterectomy could be too difficult to handle (effects of surgical menopause). I told her, nothing is more difficult than telling your kids you have cancer and I don't want to do that again, so I want the hysterectomy. I knew something was wrong. I struggle each day with what lies ahead, but I am determined to do everything I can to see my youngest graduate high school in three years, and then I will change my goal to seeing him graduate college. Now I struggle with treatment option, natural vs. medical. I believe I am going with both. I have completely changed my diet, turns out that saying I couldn't stick to a diet if my life depended on it, is not true, it is easy to stick to it when you believe it might give you just one more month, or year. Anyway, I want to thank everyone for sharing their stories, and supporting each other. I love that a group of complete strangers can support each other in such a difficult time. Since my first diagnosis, this has been and remains an amazing resource.

Dx 10/2013, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIA, metastasized to other, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2013 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Jun 26, 2018 09:54PM Kirat11 wrote:

Update on my labs, my WBC and Neutrophils continued to trend down it went from 4.2 to 3.5 and 1.6 to 1.2 respectively, i increased my turkey tails from 2caps to 6 a day they said you can take up to 9 a day, June labs results: WBC is 4.0 and neutrophils 1.4!!! I'm very happy and will continue to take turkey tails. ( Thank you whirlaway!)

I have my 1st scan since starting target therapy this July, crossing my fingers..

Dx 12/8/2017, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, PR-, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 3/4/2018 Femara (letrozole) Targeted Therapy Kisqali
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Jul 22, 2018 03:25PM - edited Jul 22, 2018 03:48PM by WC3

shockedat29:

I don't really separate western medicine from eastern medicine to be honest. I divide things based upon the evidence of effectiveness. I take thyroid hormone for hypothyroidism. Eastern medicine figured out how to treat hypothyroidism. I'm doing conventional therapies for the cancer, western medicine figured those ones out. I don't care where the idea comes from, I only care if it's effectiveness is evidence based and personally would not forgo a treatment that has a demonstrated high success rate for one that does not.

That does not mean I only limit myself to those treatments though, or would not try something that has not been subjected to rigorous testing if more promising options weren't available.

As for spontaneous remission of identified established cancer, these cases are rare and poorly understood and cases without recurrance are even rarer. In a lot of these supposed cases, the person actually did receive some form of conventional treatment and it's impossible to claim that the remission was not due to it.

I think there are cases of truely spontaneous remission of identified established cancer but I think it's a blessing of extreme rarity.



Dx 2018, IDC, Left, 3cm, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (FISH) Targeted Therapy Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel)
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Aug 11, 2018 06:57AM Kirat11 wrote:

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Hello ladies!

I had my 2nd scan last July 2nd, met with oncologist for results, i'm happy to share that all bone mets now is all in metabolic remission! The breast tumor also has significant decreased and has minimal uptake on the pet scan. I will be continuing Conventional and alternative medicines

I am very grateful for such blessing, we got this!!

I have cancer, cancer does not have me.

Dx 12/8/2017, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, PR-, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 3/4/2018 Femara (letrozole) Targeted Therapy Kisqali
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Aug 11, 2018 10:50AM Meow13 wrote:

Kirat, good news.

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Aug 12, 2018 10:20AM - edited Aug 12, 2018 10:22AM by werone

My wife went from stage 1 to stage 4 after trying TCM for 4 months.


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Aug 12, 2018 06:30PM edwards750 wrote:

I’m so sorry werone. BC treatments either natural or conventional are virtual crapshoots unfortunately. I have several friends who also had their breast cancer go from early stage to metastatic. No rhyme or reason why given their early prognosis. Fact is oncologists are stymied as to why it happens. No consolation for your wife or my friends either.

My sister’s recurred but is localized. She was 4 years out.

Breast cancer is epidemic. More and more younger women are getting diagnosed. I hope and pray they find a cure.

Try and keep the faith. There is always hope.

Diane

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Aug 12, 2018 07:45PM hapa wrote:

Thank you for sharing werone. You rarely hear from people who tried alternative medicine when it didn't work.

Dx 12/8/2017, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 1/2/2018 Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 1/2/2018 Arimidex (anastrozole) Targeted Therapy 2/14/2018 Ibrance (palbociclib) Dx 3/20/2018, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIIA, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (FISH) Targeted Therapy 3/28/2018 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 3/28/2018 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 3/28/2018 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 8/22/2018 Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Aug 12, 2018 07:53PM edwards750 wrote:

That’s true hapa but the one person I always think of who did and suffered the consequences with an untimely death was Steve Jobs. When he realized it wasn’t working he went the conventional route but it was too late. He even had a press conference advising people not to go the alternate route.

Diane

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Aug 12, 2018 08:28PM Rosabella wrote:

Farrah Fawcett is another one trying alternative tx in Germany. By the time she came back to go for conventional tx it was too late.

These people have tons of money. They did their research, were sold enough to try but failed. Traditional tx still produces much more results than alternative. Yes the ses and such suck but you have a better shot if your cancer profile is not a good one, high enough risk to recur.

Dx 6/2/2015, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 1/4 nodes, PR+, HER2- Surgery 8/6/2015 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Chemotherapy 11/3/2015 AC + T (Taxotere) Radiation Therapy 5/4/2016 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 6/28/2016 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Targeted Therapy
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Aug 14, 2018 08:13AM edwards750 wrote:

Those of us who went the conventional route have no guarantees either but we do have history and stats on our side for what those are worth. Thing is it’s all we have to go on and personally I’m was not comfortable with or willing to gamble.

Just make sure you don’t make a decision and second guess yourself. There is enough anxiety as it is.

Diane

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Aug 14, 2018 10:49AM keri3369 wrote:

I don't understand why women find it so easy to blindly trust modern medicine but won't do anything to help themselves.

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Aug 14, 2018 10:49AM keri3369 wrote:

I don't understand why women find it so easy to blindly trust modern medicine but won't do anything to help themselves.

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Aug 14, 2018 01:38PM Rosabella wrote:

who says we aren't helping ourselves. Most of us adjust our diets, exercise eat right too. You go by your odds, are you high risk, and which has more ned possibilities. No guarantees either way, but which has a greater chance for your profile. Doing only alternative or conventional with fixing your diet and exercise.

Dx 6/2/2015, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 1/4 nodes, PR+, HER2- Surgery 8/6/2015 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Chemotherapy 11/3/2015 AC + T (Taxotere) Radiation Therapy 5/4/2016 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 6/28/2016 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Targeted Therapy
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Aug 14, 2018 03:25PM Meow13 wrote:

As soon as I hear great news from someone who benefited from non conventional medicine, 10 more people jump in to saying it is a fluke. I would be happy to be a fluke. Friend of mine is still NED after flying to Germany to get immunotherapy. Her doctor here in Seattle gave her 1 year to live if she didn't do chemo and 18 months if she did do chemo. So she went to Germany, paid for all treatment out of pocket, she is still NED that was 2011.

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Aug 14, 2018 03:31PM marijen wrote:

Meow, do you know the name of the immunotherapy? Great story about your friend.


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Aug 14, 2018 03:47PM muska wrote:

Immunotherapy for breast cancer may not be part of first-line standard treatment yet but it is definitely not an "alternative" treatment as discussed on this thread.

Dx at 54 Dx 5/9/2013, DCIS/IDC, Right, <1cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 7/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Dx 6/13/2013, LCIS, Both breasts Surgery 6/13/2013 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 7/25/2013 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 2/20/2014 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 3/12/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 3/23/2014 Breast, Lymph nodes, Bone
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Aug 14, 2018 04:02PM LovefromPhilly wrote:

hi folks! I’m an acupuncturist and Chinese herbalist (also integrative nutritionist and shiatsu massage therapist) and would love to give my thoughts here.

In my community of practitioners, we NEVER say that Chinese medicine will cure cancer. It is unethical and potentially harmful to the patient to say this. Even my teachers who are Chinese doctors trained in China say they would never make this claim.

We also say that people who use “alterative” treatments alone with no intervention of western medicine end up passing away from cancer.

I know it is harsh and maybe there are some of you out there that have had radical remission through change of diet and lifestyle, but the numbers are not high enough for health care providers to feel comfortable enough to recommend this across the board.

Our bodies belong to us and we ultimately get to choose and experiment which ways we want to move forward with treatment.

I did my fixed rotation shifts in an oncology center that used to Chinese herbal medicine, acupuncture, nutrition and supplements and massage to help people going through their cancer “journey.”

There are MANY amazing things that these health modalities CAN do with regards to cancer-related symptoms and SEs. And I utilize them myself and am so grateful for my training and knowledge.

My loved ones and doctors were very anxious that I would refuse conventional treatments based on my career and focus of medical study. However, my training did not teach me that alternative methods alone would suffice. And for me, it was a no brainer to (carefully and thoughtfully) choose the conventional western treatments I am currently no (and they are working - a huge relief!)

I send everyone lots of support and am always hoping for the best outcomes for all! Brenda
With Love From Philly Dx 3/25/2017, IDC, Right, 6cm+, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Hormonal Therapy 4/4/2017 Femara (letrozole) Targeted Therapy Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Aug 14, 2018 09:47PM Rosabella wrote:

Immunotherapy is not considered alt medicine. Some cancers have it as first line of defense like small cell lung cancer. You see ads for this like you do stage 4 bc meds. At some point it will be available for bc. Just a matter of time.

Alt therapy here means using eastern meds, supps and such in lieu of chemo and rads to try and become ned as long as possible.

Dx 6/2/2015, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 1/4 nodes, PR+, HER2- Surgery 8/6/2015 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Chemotherapy 11/3/2015 AC + T (Taxotere) Radiation Therapy 5/4/2016 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 6/28/2016 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Targeted Therapy

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