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Posted on: Jun 25, 2020 07:12PM - edited Jun 25, 2020 07:13PM by whitelight-

whitelight- wrote:

About a years ago, I came here after being diagnosed with stage 3 intraductal cancer in my right breast. Three lumps.

I refused all of the treatments offered to my by the NHS and found a German New Medicine practitioner - Dr Hammer's understanding of cancer made sense to me and has proved right for me.

I wasn't given an easy ride in here but promised that I would return - so here I am.

During the last year the cancer has slowly oozed out through my nipple. Two lumps have gone and the large one is now shrunk to an 1/8th of what it was.

I said I would return - good luck to all and love


WhiteLight




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Jun 25, 2020 09:22PM Beesie wrote:

WhiteLight,

"Intraductal" breast cancer is DCIS, which is non-invasive and always Stage 0.

Did you have grade 3 intraductal breast cancer (DCIS) or stage 3 invasive breast cancer?

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke

Jun 26, 2020 06:50AM - edited Jun 26, 2020 06:51AM by whitelight-

Invasive, I suppose, by your definition - I had stage 3 cancer in the tubes, running from glands to nipple; the ducts.. One large slightly protruding lump on my inner breast and under the nipple, one smaller one behind/under it and a small one above.

I must have written the diagnosis in here, the April before last ( I'll look later). Since I haven't been involved with conventional Drs since diagnosis I have not been using or hearing their language so you will have to forgive my layman's terms. .

The NHS treatment was to be: Chemo, radiation, chop off my right breast and much of the flesh and muscle under my right arm, steroids, hormones. I said 'No thanks; My mother, two aunts and my sister had all had breast cancer and all dealt with it differently - so I had some experience of the disease. I had no intention of letting them use Chemo or Radiation or any other drugs but was open to an Op until the day I was diagnosed - they tried to push me into an Op in a couple of days time - I left saying that I would think about it. That night, quite exhausted ( as we all are), I carried on with my research into cancer ( I had already done a lot over the years) and found Dr Hammer's understandings - I found a practitioner and just over a yr later - here I am. Two lumps down and one shrunk to almost nothing.

My cancer came out of grief - unresolved grief form unexpected traumas/deaths. Instinctively I knew that then - it has gone via resolution.

We are all different and cope and heal differently. I said I would come back to tell my tale, that is all.

Jun 26, 2020 08:31AM NancyD wrote:

My personal opinion on the information you've provided is that the NHS offered very outdated treatment options. As far as I know, in the last two or three decades they rarely take muscle tissue with mastectomies. They certainly aren't doing the complete radical mastectomies like they did forty years ago.

Glad to hear your tumors have shrunk or disappeared, but I would opt for a PET/CT scan to make sure the cancer hasn't gotten loose elsewhere in your body. Breast cancer is sneaky and does things like that.

Life is good. It's not perfect. but it's good. Dx 2/22/2008, IDC, Left, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 4/10 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/21/2008 Adriamycin (doxorubicin), Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 7/10/2008 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right Hormonal Therapy 8/31/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 9/4/2008 Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery 1/27/2010 Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap

Jun 26, 2020 09:14AM Beesie wrote:

"Invasive, I suppose, by your definition - I had stage 3 cancer in the tubes, running from glands to nipple; the ducts."

By my definition? No, I'm using the medical definition. Even Alternative practitioners should agree about the diagnosis.

Cancer "in the tubes" (the ducts) is DCIS, and that is a Stage 0 cancer. I too had extensive "cancer in the tubes", running throughout the ducts in my breast, although I also had a tiny invasive cancer along with it (a microinvasion), so that bumped me up to Stage I. I had a skin-sparing mastectomy (no muscle removal) and no further treatment. That was 15 years ago.

In your posts last year unfortunately you were not much clearer about your diagnosis, however you mentioned grade 3, never stage 3. Huge difference. Stage 0 DCIS (cancer in the ducts) can be grade 3 but it's still Stage 0.

Your list of treatments from the NHS... is that a list of treatments that the NHS offers for breast cancer and are you assuming that this would have been prescribed for you, or were these treatments specifically recommended to you? In your older posts, you skipped straight from diagnosis to rejecting treatment, all in one sentence, with no mention of what the recommended treatment was. To NancyD's point, the list sounds outdated and inaccurate.

From your description of your diagnosis, symptoms, and what's happened over the past year, it sounds as though you may have had an intraductal papilloma and DCIS. That's just my guess, of course.

I think information about successful treatment with Alternative medicine is very valuable, but it's critical to have an accurate diagnosis to understand the condition that is being treated. Treating DCIS or an intraductal papilloma with an alternative treatment is very different than treating a Stage 3 breast cancer. It's unfortunate that your explanation of your diagnosis is unclear because it certainly would be amazing news if in fact you do have stage 3 invasive cancer and have (so far) been successful with this alternative treatment.

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke

Jun 26, 2020 09:54AM - edited Jun 26, 2020 10:05AM by whitelight-

There was no reason for my practioner and me to talk about the NHS diagnosis past the first few minutes of the first meeting because the remedy is not physical, it simply explains the sort of trauma which caused the body to overreact and form a cancer.

If and when I find the hospital's written diagnosis I shall post it. Indeed if I came back here at all.

Here you are telling me that I had nothing at all of any importance. I ask you then; why on earth did the Oncologist think it imperative that I should be operated on within days? To thereafter need many doses of radiation through my shoulder? After that many doses of Chemo and then hormone and steroid injections, forever?

Well I did as I promised - I came back and told my tale. As expected, sadly, I am not welcome.

I just wish to leave you with this.

From my experience and in my opinion, there is no need to operate on any cancer unless it is causing an obstruction, is an obstacle to any bodily flow. - we are terrified by it for the profit of others. Now each and everyone of us owns our own body and I recommend that after any diagnosis we should all take a deep breath and give ourselves time to come to terms with the diagnosis and seriously think about what is right for us. I chose to physically do nothing at all ( for what you are arguing was nothing at all!) but to come to terms with the traumas which caused my breast to try pushing through milk in order to nurture my 'lost/dead/troubled ones'.

That's it. My body, my way and I got through.





Jun 26, 2020 11:55AM whitelight- wrote:

Thank you.


I am not going anywhere near the hospital, my dear. Perhaps my Oncologist was just greedy for £s - I don't know but I would hope that his patients would ask for a second opinion. His recommendations were akin to the Spanish Inquisition come late - poor women in his care.

My understanding is that cancer does not, cannot, spread but that a new trauma ie a frightening diagnosis, can trigger a new cancer.

I am sorry perhaps my last post in here was a bit aggressive - some posters where unkind when I was here last year and I was probably a bit bristly, for that reason. It hurts for ones experience with cancer to be questioned.

Loss of any sort is not easy and if not resolved our bodies over react to our emotional traumas - I knew this. I knew that the cancer in my breast was from my heart breaks and I went from there, following my own intuition I found the right person to help me through it. No allopathic medic can heal a broken heart - only we can come to terms with it ( however major or minor a trauma may seem to others) so it stands to reason that as we heal emotionally ( when we can) our body will also heal - were it has tried to over compensate for our pain.



Jun 26, 2020 01:01PM LillyIsHere wrote:

Whitelight, I know that my cancer started from a trauma I had 2 years ago. I was expecting to come and it did. Trauma is gone, cancer is the battle I'm in. I respect your way of dealing with cancer, I have chosen another way and in the end we just don't know what is going to work and what isn't.

Dx 7/31/2019, ILC, Left, <1cm, Stage IIA, 2/5 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 9/19/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy 12/1/2019 Femara (letrozole)

Jun 26, 2020 01:38PM whitelight- wrote:

Ahhhh xxxx I am sorry xxx

I honestly believe that no woman has ever died of breast cancer, itself, but I absolutely agree with you that we must each deal with it in our own way. It is a personal journey as is all of life.


Good luck LillyWasHere and bless you.


Jun 26, 2020 01:47PM Beesie wrote:

whitelight, I have no idea what your diagnosis is. I was simply speculating on your diagnosis based on the words you used to describe your diagnosis. Breast cancer in the "tubes" / the ducts is DCIS. That's a fact. Whether or not this is your diagnosis, or whatever it may be, I don't know. Your descriptions have been inconsistent and contradictory. I think an accurate understanding of your diagnosis is important to the message you are presenting.

Regardless, it's great that you are doing well. Best of luck to you moving forward.


“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke

Jun 26, 2020 01:59PM - edited Jun 26, 2020 02:00PM by exbrnxgrl

white light,

I too am glad you're doing well. I totally disagree with your theory about what causes breast cancer and I definitely disagree that no woman has ever died of breast cancer. It's a slap in the face to the thousands who die each year. Can you provide any peer reviewed research to support this

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)

Jun 26, 2020 02:08PM wrenn wrote:

I'm glad you are doing well at this time. I wonder if coming back to a site that you felt was unreceptive was the right road to take if you are focusing on a peaceful existence? There are many alternative medicine forums and it seems you know from experience that BCO isn't big on that.

Regarding oncologists being in it for the money. Almost every specialty pays more. :-)

Best of luck.

Metaplastic IDC Triple negative...Tumour is 1.5cm. BMX Aug. 16th. Chemo cancelled after one dose due to complications. Dx 7/25/2013, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/6 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 8/16/2013 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right

Jun 26, 2020 02:12PM whitelight- wrote:

Bessie,


I don't know where I have put my written diagnosis; and other hospital and Drs papers - tucked away in a draw somewhere? But invasive was definitely one of the words that he had scribbled on it and he most definitely thought it was serious enough to operate pronto. Since that first week or so from diagnosis I have never used the language of allopathy. I have just got on with my life forgetting the lumps, for much of the time, so .... unless I find the paperwork I can't help ya.

When I said that I was going with German New Medicine, last yr, some posters said that; those who choose alternative routes never come back - I promised that I would return and I have, for them and for anyone else who is unsure of their proscribed treatment - listen and believe in yourself.



Jun 26, 2020 02:20PM ElaineTherese wrote:

pipers_dream, who posts here, also chose not to pursue conventional treatment, including surgery. You can follow her story here:

https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/121/topics/851202?page=4#idx_116

DX IDC June 28, 2014, 5 cm., 1 node tested positive (fine needle biopsy); 0/20 after neoadjuvant chemo + ALND; Grade 3; ER+ PR+ HER2+ Neoadjuvant chemotherapy starting 7/23/14 ACX 4, Taxol X 12, Perjeta X 4; Herceptin: one year Chemotherapy 7/23/2014 AC Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Targeted Therapy 9/17/2014 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 9/17/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary Hormonal Therapy 2/25/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 3/9/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes

Jun 26, 2020 02:21PM whitelight- wrote:

Wrenn,

Thank you xxx

No probs about coming back here. No-one was unkind in here until I mentioned the method I had chosen which caused no little amount of aggression from some quarters. So when Bessie questioned whether I had cancer or not - my prickles went up. I am sorry about that.

At first everyone was kind here and here was the first stop for me - I needed people who understood, we all do, and I found them here.

I have no need to talk to anyone about this on any forum - I am just keeping a promise. That's all.

Jun 26, 2020 02:24PM whitelight- wrote:

Peer reviews?

That is a LOL

and I shall not not indulge you further.

Jun 26, 2020 02:38PM Beesie wrote:

whitelight, I didn't (and don't) question whether you had cancer. I explained that "intraductal cancer" and cancer in the "tubes" or "ducts" - the words YOU used to your cancer, refer to DCIS (ductal carcinoma in situ).


“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke

Jun 26, 2020 03:30PM whitelight- wrote:

. If I come across the diagnosis I'll add it to this thread.


Jun 26, 2020 03:43PM pupmom wrote:

whitelight, why don't you just call your doctor and ask for another copy?

Life is what happens while we're making other plans. Dx 10/18/2011, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

Jun 26, 2020 05:04PM whitelight- wrote:

pupmom


I may do but such simple things are not always straight forward under the NHS. I had thought about asking my GP what the hospital had written to him but didn't because I knew his sister had recently died after treatment for beast cancer, in the same way my mother had, and it was still raw..

I felt sorrier for him than I did for me at the time.

Jun 26, 2020 09:05PM exbrnxgrl wrote:

“Peer reviews?

That is a LOL

and I shall not not indulge you further.”

Thank you for your kind response?? I’m not sure why you don’t consider this a legitimate question. Believe me, if there were ever peer reviewed research papers, double blind studies, etc. for treatments that were proven to work against the disease but were less invasive and less toxic I’d be the first in line! Again, I wish you well.

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)

Jun 26, 2020 09:30PM AliceBastable wrote:

Whitelight

"I honestly believe that no woman has ever died of breast cancer, itself..."

Gee, I can't wait to tell my two aunts and my sister-in-law and too many friends WHO DIED OF BREAST CANCER that they're not dead after all. Jesus H. Christ on a crutch, that is the single most offensive thing I've read in years.

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Cancer's a bitch, but I'm a bigger one with more practice. Dx 5/2018, ILC/IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/11/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/8/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/29/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes

Jun 26, 2020 11:00PM MountainMia wrote:

As for me, I'm most offended by the notion that we all did something wrong, and that's why we had/have cancer. I didn't deal with psychic trauma the right way, apparently. And in choosing our treatment path, that's also wrong, according to the OP. Honest to god, probably nothing offends me more than people who think that people with cancer are doing something wrong, either to get it, or to get rid of it.

The rain comes and the rain goes, but the mountain remains. I am the mountain.

Jun 27, 2020 06:32AM - edited Jun 27, 2020 07:16AM by whitelight-

Dr Hammer was a very well respected oncologist who discovered something new about cancer. For that, new understanding, he became a persecuted man - so there will be no peer reviews of his work.

Jun 27, 2020 06:37AM whitelight- wrote:

My mother died after having had treatment for breast cancer.

My sister chose a different route, when she was diagnosed over 20 yrs ago, and is with us still.

I again chose a different path -


Jun 27, 2020 06:47AM - edited Jun 27, 2020 07:09AM by whitelight-

You are reading into my words something which isn't there. I have lost family and friends to cancer. I have family and friends who have won the fight against it, and never, not once, did I criticize their chosen method. Nor do I of those who are now dealing allopathically, or otherwise, with cancer.

You are, perhaps, criticizing me in my choice though? I don't know -


Jun 27, 2020 09:08AM pupmom wrote:

whitelight, with respect, everything you have said is anecdotal. A researcher's work doesn't have to be peer reviewed to be available. It would be helpful if you linked some info from Dr. Hammer. You must have seen something to believe in him so much.

Life is what happens while we're making other plans. Dx 10/18/2011, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

Jun 27, 2020 10:44AM luckypenny wrote:

Amen! Like we caused it - and if we had just done x different or had been better at managing our experiences then we wouldn’t have gotten cancer!

Dx 9/2011, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 6/17 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 9/26/2011 Lymph node removal: Left, Right, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right Chemotherapy 10/25/2011 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 2/12/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Radiation Therapy 2/26/2012 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 3/31/2012 Femara (letrozole)

Jun 27, 2020 10:47AM MelissaDallas wrote:

Why is anyone responding and giving her more “air time” and attention? Let this tread die

LCIS, extensive sclerosing adenosis, TAH/BSO & partial omentectomy for mucinous borderline ovarian tumor.

Jun 27, 2020 10:56AM - edited Jun 27, 2020 10:56AM by exbrnxgrl

While I'm always thrilled when anyone with bc does well, I'll link a Wikipedia entry on Ryke Geerd Hamer who founded German New Medicine. I think it's sickening but urge you to read it and do your own research as well. With that, I will follow Melissa's suggestion and not comment further.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryke_Geerd_Hamer

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)

Jun 27, 2020 11:31AM pupmom wrote:

Wow, that was a horrifying account of Hamer! That said, I will now heed Melissa's advice and bow out of this discussion.

Life is what happens while we're making other plans. Dx 10/18/2011, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

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