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Forum: Humor and Games — Breast cancer is no laughing matter, but sometimes a good joke or a game is the best medicine.

Posted on: Mar 28, 2006 08:40AM

JanieMarie wrote:

Where did our thread go? Is anyone out there from our drinking group? Did I miss something - like we became too offesive or ...well, drunk?

I would love to hear from you gals!

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Sep 14, 2021 12:22PM mistyeyes wrote:

Hi Dogmom and Elle2.

NM -

Sadie stories always make me smile. The schools here are still having bus driver shortage. I don't know if there is a shortage or if they have to quarantined for maybe exposure to Covid. I am assuming someone is having to stay late to watch kids at school until buses come to pick them up because they all do multiple routes. Sometimes it feels like this is a movie I am living in (hope its not a Stephen King movie) lol.

Goldie - I hope the doctors visit for you husband goes well. I know he is feeling horrible.

Hope Cami is feeling better.




Hope Cami is doing good.

IDC right- Stage IIA, Grade 3,ER-,PR+,HER2+ Dx 11/15/2016, Right, PR+, HER2+
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Sep 14, 2021 02:02PM Elle2 wrote:

So I have a section in my recipe book for drinks and it appears I may be able to fill several more pages with the recipes you all provide. Lovely! I’ve been told by Miss Manners or Martha Stewart or someone that every house should have a signature drink! Guess I should visit my neighbors more often to find out! We don’t have one, but maybe this fall I’ll find one. At the very least, I should start sampling some, you know?

Thanks for the warm welcome, ladies. It’s nice to be wanted somewhere, even if it’s here..eke..

NativeMaine - while I had to laugh with my arms wrapped around my stomach tightly, to avoid ripping out a stitch, I later rethought it and decided Sadie really didn’t need any more pats. That’s just rude, like, really?

I am surrounded by wine because I love it, not gonna lie. The more I taste, the more I like from the cheap reisling I buy at the supermarket to the Chateau- Neuf- du-Pape, Face en Face I brought in the south of France. I don’t consider myself a connoisseur or anything, but I do love a perfect pairing. However, I put on my game face yesterday and declined a drink. Not really, I sat looking at my wine fridge salivating, then started negotiating with myself and ended up in a sniveling mess back upstairs without a drop and went to bed. I’m pathetic…but might try again tonight….

Dx 4/2008, DCIS, Left, <1cm, Stage 0, ER+, HER2+ Surgery 5/5/2008 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 7/1/2008 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 11/29/2008 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 9/2021, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/8/2021 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap Chemotherapy 10/23/2021 AC + T (Taxotere)
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Sep 14, 2021 03:27PM goldie0827 wrote:

Misty, DH just had to go for labs and to get his toenails clipped. I'm afraid to do it anymore, as they are horribly thick. Dr. said he usually only does this for diabetic patients, but he would continue to do it for him every 3 months.

Elle, I hope you can talk yourself into that glass of wine! I'll have one of our Tenders pour you glass if you like? But you can't do it and then feel guilty! Tell us a little bit about yourself. I am 63, stage IV for 7 years. I live in AZ on 80 acres off grid. We did have our own business but are in the process of selling it as my DH (dear husband) has been diagnosed with ALS. I have to kids, a son in Michigan and a daughter that lives in the VI's. She is currently in Mi and I will get to see her when I'm there, along with my son and 2 of my brothers, nieces and a new grand niece. I have no animals and I am a beer drinker, but will occasionally have some wine. Oh, I just noticed your signature. Is this your second BC? Not mets?

After his "pedicure" I asked him if they were rough. He says, I don't know I can't feel them. Well, you would feel if they snagged on your sock! We get home and he has to lay down. I take his socks off and he asks me if I should file them???? I'm thinking, why, if you can't feel them!

AKA - Sugar Lusty Heat! Hair pictures on my profile. DON'T LOOK DOWN ON ANYBODY, UNLESS YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP! Dx 3/27/2008, DCIS, Right, 5cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 7/2014, ILC, Right, Stage IV, 2/2 nodes, ER+, HER2- Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery Lumpectomy; Lymph node removal Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 14, 2021 03:31PM goldie0827 wrote:

Oops, I forgot. I did hear back from Cami and she said it was ok to tell you ladies. She said, in her words, she has been in and out of hospitals, clinics and therapy for a couple of weeks now, getting blood transfusions and all the good stuff. All her white cells are eating her cells, causing 2 different blood diseases? She's been doing therapy at home, pretty weak, but actually feeling a bit better. Says she's around and eating but down to 110 lbs. That's pretty much it in a nutshell. So keep her in your prayers!

AKA - Sugar Lusty Heat! Hair pictures on my profile. DON'T LOOK DOWN ON ANYBODY, UNLESS YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP! Dx 3/27/2008, DCIS, Right, 5cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 7/2014, ILC, Right, Stage IV, 2/2 nodes, ER+, HER2- Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery Lumpectomy; Lymph node removal Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 14, 2021 04:08PM illimae wrote:

Thank you Goldie, I appreciate the update.

Cami, get better girl :)

Diagnosed at 41 Stage IV De Novo Dx 11/16/2016, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/1/2017 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/1/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 1/1/2017 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Surgery 6/26/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Underarm/Axillary Radiation Therapy 8/10/2017 Breast, Lymph nodes Dx 10/5/2017, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+, HER2+ (IHC) Radiation Therapy 10/19/2017 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 4/18/2018 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 5/22/2019 External: Brain Surgery 1/21/2020 Radiation Therapy 2/16/2020 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 7/20/2020 External: Bone Radiation Therapy 12/4/2020 External: Brain Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Targeted Therapy Tukysa (tucatinib) Chemotherapy Xeloda (capecitabine)
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Sep 14, 2021 04:36PM - edited Sep 14, 2021 04:39PM by MinusTwo

Cami - holding you in our thoughts!!!

Elle - I second Goldies comment - enjoy that glass of wine. Maybe just don't have 5 right now. Edited to say I have a gin & tonic almost every night - except when I bourbon & branch in the winter. Several times a week I also have a glass of wine with dinner. My oncologist told me about a doc friend of his who was getting cancer infusions & wanted to continue drinking. His recommendation was maybe cut back on the day of the infusions.

NO GUILT!!!!! You didn't cause this - unless you want to feel guilty for being a woman.

2/15/11 BMX-DCIS 2SNB clear-TEs; 9/15/11-410gummies; 3/20/13 recurrance-5.5cm,mets to lymphs, Stage IIIB IDC ER/PRneg,HER2+; TCH/Perjeta/Neulasta x6; ALND 9/24/13 1/18 nodes 4.5cm; AC chemo 10/30/13 x3; herceptin again; Rads Feb2014
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Sep 14, 2021 08:53PM Reader425 wrote:

Hello friends thank you for brightening my day with your stories or just sharing who/ how you are doing.

Goldie I appreciate the update on Cami. Cami, get better I miss your great cat memes 🤪. Goldie enjoy your family visiting and travels!

NM I'm sorry for the stress-load these times are adding to your work. Maybe in her fragrant way way Sadie was trying to say " just chill mom!"

I have an autoimmune thing that sometimes affects my gut so no alcohol lately. But Baileys irish cream coffee weather is coming!! Ellie I echo what others said - no guilt. Make the choice that feels best to you. A wise woman on these threads used to say something similar about treatment decisions. Make the choice then don't look back or second guess yourself. No good comes of it.

I'm forgetting people as I do this on my phone. Hugs to all. 🤗


Dx 9/11/2014, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 10/28/2014 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 1/3/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 2/28/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 15, 2021 04:01AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes!Happy Hump Day!Ok, I just scared myself, was typing along and had to stop and look at my phone to figure out if it was Tuesday or Wednesday! This COVID thing is pounding us here in Maine. Every day we've got more kiddos out in quarantine because a family member has tested positive, and kiddos being sent home with symptoms that need to test before coming back to school who can't get a test appointment for 2 to 3 days, and then not getting results back for several days more. And we just about get the pooled testing program up and running and there's a rule change that sets everything back. The adults are worried/afraid of the delta variant making the vaccine seem to be not helpful, and worried about being exposed while at school and not knowing about it. Adults are afraid to touch the children, the children are starving for physical connection. I swear some of the kiddos coming to be for bandaids for bleeding only they can see are really coming in because I will touch them! My brain is exhausted and my heart is hurting for everyone.

Sadie says I'm trying to fix things that I can't fix. I tried to tell her I know I can't fix all this, but I can make it better, a little easier for everyone. Sadie says that's ok as long as she gets her full ration of belly rubs every day. Hedonist.

Goldie--I should have told Sadie that farting in my face was not funny, but I was laughing so hard at her expression and the way she flounced up to the pillows and flopped over that I just couldn't be upset with her. I haven't laughed that hard in ages! Which was probably her intent.

Misty--there is a bus driver shortage here, too, but it existed before COVID. It's worse now after the 20/21 school year cut bus routes and laid off bus drivers because so many children were in remote learning. Now we need all those drivers back plus more to manage the increase in bus routes so as to have fewer children on the but together. There are drivers out with COVID or in quarantine, too, which certainly isn't helping.In my district, in the elementary schools, all teachers and staff stay until 15 minutes after all the children are gone,although we can leave earlier with the principal's ok. Getting the kiddos out and headed home isn't running late, for some reason that is a morning run problem they are working on. All this does seem like living in a disaster movie, doesn't it?

Elle--I'll agree Sadie didn't NEED any more belly rubs, but she made me laugh and I just couldn't help myself. But we will have a talk about manners very soon! All this time I thought I was the only one who liked some of the cheaper wines just as much or more than some of the expensive ones! I'm not a connoisseur, either, but I know what I like when I taste it. When it comes to pairings, my tastes seem to be rather unconventional. ChiSandy is a true connoisseur and an expert at pairings, you'll enjoy her wine and food posts.

Goldie--I was taught that filing nails smooth after trimming was part of the trimming process, does the doc not do that? One thing about working with kids that I do miss is giving food massages. Fun and easy to do, gave me time to get to just chat with people and really get to know them, and be doing something that isn't embarrassing, uncomfortable, or medical. Thanks for the Cammy update.

Morning, Illi!

Well said, Minus!

Reader--I really believe Sadie did that on purpose just to make me laugh and to tell me to chill out, and it worked very well! The stress level from COVID is what it is, and is going to be high for some time to come. On top of the stress of the start of school, and this is my first year doing this part of the job, things are pretty tense. BUT, we all know that it will settle as time goes on and the school routines get worked out.I am also a big coffee fan, and just love a cup of coffee with a shot of Kahlua or Baileys, or Rumchata.

DOTD:

Coffee with a shot of your choice!

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 15, 2021 08:02AM MinusTwo wrote:

NM - You give FOOT MASSAGES??? I'll be on he next plane. Or the next plane after the Covid rush. So sorry to read about the Covid issues in your school district.

Goldie - hope you have a great trip to see your kiddos & family.

I've found lots of delicious wines below $20.00 and I see no need to spend more. One of my favorite white wines is Costco/Kirtland Marlborough TiPoint Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand - usually $6.99. Another is Total Wine's Carson Ridge Cabernet Sauvignon from Paso Robles - often on sale for $8.99. I am choosy though, and there is some 'rot gut' wine out there. I do not care for the "$2 buck chuck" wine from Trader Joes.

2/15/11 BMX-DCIS 2SNB clear-TEs; 9/15/11-410gummies; 3/20/13 recurrance-5.5cm,mets to lymphs, Stage IIIB IDC ER/PRneg,HER2+; TCH/Perjeta/Neulasta x6; ALND 9/24/13 1/18 nodes 4.5cm; AC chemo 10/30/13 x3; herceptin again; Rads Feb2014
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Sep 15, 2021 09:10PM Elle2 wrote:

I had a less than market pour of merlot this evening. If I had been in a wine bar and paid for it, I’d have been annoyed, but hubby poured it for me, so, okay! I don’t usually drink merlot, but tonight, it was amazing! I haven’t had a glass in many weeks. Feeling happy!🤗

Goldie - A little about myself: I’m 57, second time around bc, 44 first time, yep, 13 years later. No genetics, no Mets- a new type, no reasons, just the one who hits all the stats. I live in AZ too, on 1/2 acre, on the grid. I love animals and have a horse and a dog and 2 kids. I travel as much as I can and Covid has really put a crimp in my plans. Add this bc and I had to cancel an October trip to London and the Cotswolds. Ah well, I’m sure things will improve in the future.

Minus2- my fave reisling is Chateau St Michel, sweet harvest. $7.99 a bottle, discounted if you buy 6 or more! Certainly a summer wine, and I’m partial to the 14 Hands smooth red blend because, well, there’s a horse on the label? These things are important!😂


Dx 4/2008, DCIS, Left, <1cm, Stage 0, ER+, HER2+ Surgery 5/5/2008 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 7/1/2008 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 11/29/2008 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 9/2021, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/8/2021 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap Chemotherapy 10/23/2021 AC + T (Taxotere)
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Sep 16, 2021 03:50AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes!Happy Thirsty Thursday! I had a fun interaction with a student yesterday. An hour before the end of the day she comes in and announces "I have two COVID symptoms. I need to go home now." She then starts rattling off the COVID symptoms she's obviously memorized. I'm sitting there listening tp this knowing that she had COVID last year, so the chances she's really sick with COVID right now are very low. Not impossible, I know, but really low. Anyway, no choice, call the parent, send her home, she has to be tested before coming back. While waiting for her ride she natters on about how her sister is going to be mad at her because she will be in quarantine and that means her sister can't have a friend over after school, and her parent will be mad because of having to stay home and take care of her, and maybe now they will let her see another family member she's not allowed to see. I think this little one is going to be a bit of a handful! Bright and entertaining thing, though.

Arrgh.The news is showing a report about the rate of school staff being vaccinated. We have to report that monthly, first report was on the 10th of this month. I report the number of staff who have given me a copy of their vaccination record and the number of staff working in the school. Not everyone who is vaccinated has given, or will give me, a copy of their card. So the vaccination rate is "very low" in my school's county, and parents are getting upset already. I had 10 whole days to get copies of vax cards from everyone, on top of getting school started. Next month's report will be more accurate as we'll have time to get more people to remember to bring in and copy their cards. In the meantime, the info is going to be used to push through a vaccination mandate for school staff. Let's make big decisions on seriously incomplete information, why don't we?

Minus--yup, foot massages. And back rubs, too. COVID is here to stay, and I will be very glad when it's been around long enough for the fear factor to fade out. That's what so hard, everyone is so scared about getting exposed or exposing someone else that it takes a lot more work to help them hear information and process it. But that is the nature of a pandemic, and probably our "new normal" (how I hate that phrase!) I've got to admit that I really like many of the Arbor Mist fruit flavored wines, they are under $10.00. Not very sophisticated palate, I guess!

Elle--I'm not a red wine fan in general, but I have had some very nice Merlots. Glad you could enjoy a glass!

high horse cocktail with skewered cherry garnish, served on a metal tray

High Horse

Ingredients

  • 1 1/2ouncesaged rum
  • 1/2ouncekirsch brandy
  • 1/2ouncecherry liqueur
  • 1/2ouncesweet vermouth
  • 2dashesAngostura bitters
  • Garnish: brandied cherry

Steps

  1. Add the rum, kirsch, cherry liqueur, sweet vermouth and bitters into a mixing glass with ice and stir until well-chilled.
  2. Strain into a cocktail glass.
  3. Garnish with a brandied cherry on a skewer.

From <https://www.liquor.com/recipes/high-horse/>

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 16, 2021 05:55AM goldie0827 wrote:

Reader, if I only had my phone to post with, I most likely wouldn't post!

NM, I wonder if that little one came in saying she had Covid symptoms cuz she knew she would get to stay home. Could become a new trend for the kiddos!

Elle, where in AZ are you? Sorry you find yourself dealing with RB (rat basTURD) yet again, but I guess it's better than mets. I have a wine bottle out of a winery in Moab that has a horse on it. I'll take a picture.

Still getting stuff done around the house and watching Michigan weather, so I know what to pack.

AKA - Sugar Lusty Heat! Hair pictures on my profile. DON'T LOOK DOWN ON ANYBODY, UNLESS YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP! Dx 3/27/2008, DCIS, Right, 5cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 7/2014, ILC, Right, Stage IV, 2/2 nodes, ER+, HER2- Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery Lumpectomy; Lymph node removal Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 16, 2021 06:05AM goldie0827 wrote:

AKA - Sugar Lusty Heat! Hair pictures on my profile. DON'T LOOK DOWN ON ANYBODY, UNLESS YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP! Dx 3/27/2008, DCIS, Right, 5cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 7/2014, ILC, Right, Stage IV, 2/2 nodes, ER+, HER2- Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery Lumpectomy; Lymph node removal Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 16, 2021 08:21PM - edited Sep 16, 2021 10:22PM by ChiSandy

Elle, welcome! Fellow oenophile (that's a wino with a bank account) here. Your second dx is very much like mine: IDC, Stage IA, Grade 2. (This time out they'll likely prescribe an AI rather than tamoxifen). I too am fond of Costco's NZ Sauv. Blancs. As for Ch. Ste. Michelle, I used to live in Seattle and practice law in Bellevue, east of Lake Washington, as well as the district courts in those Eastside 'burbs & exurbs. When I had morning traffic court call in North Bend (just w. of the Cascades), for lunch I'd drive west to Woodinville and get a half-bottle of Ste. Michelle (was not a fan of Columbia Crest across the road), plus a small salami, baguette and hunk of cheese and picnic out on the lawn (of course I brought leftovers home).

When I was in college in Brooklyn, my family used to go up to Washingtonville's Brotherhood Winery. It was mostly sweet plonk but still pleasant. I discovered good--especially French--wine in the months after I graduated from law school. Nordstrom's had just transitioned from being just the shoe store "Nordstrom Best" into a full-fledged dept. store with a wine dept. It began doing themed tastings--the first one I attended was Burgundy and the second was cru Beaulolais. My law school's chaplain was Jeff Smith (later the Frugal Gourmet) and his wife Patty went to those tastings. After that, a fine wine shop--Esquin--in Pioneer Sq. hosted some serious tastings: prestige cuvee Champagnes, Madeiras, Sherries, and Medocs. That truly spoiled me--and the Chicago area, to which we moved in '78, had some very serious tasting opps. as well. My very first trip to Europe was with a wine merchant and his trainee salesman: Rheingau, Nahe, Burgundy, Loire, Charente and Bordeaux.

My taste in rieslings runs to the dry ones: Alsace, Leelanau/Traverse area of MI, Willamette Valley, and some CA ones (most recently, Fess Parker out of Paso Robles). As our sisters here know, we used to have a marvelous wine-centric bistro w/in an easy walk of me called Broadway Cellars (later Cellars Bar & Grill). It hosted bimonthly winemaker pairing dinners (CA, OR, France, Italy, Spain) and--pre-pandemic--monthly "20 for $20" tastings, featuring 20 wines and all the paired buffet food you could eat for $20, with discounts on wine purchases. Between those tastings and dinners, about half the wines in our cellars came from Cellars (with the rest mostly bubblies from Mumm Napa's club, red blends from the late great Signorello in Napa--it burned down twice, Williams-Selyem pinot noir, and LaSpinetta in Tuscany (we toured there in 2016). I so miss traveling--both foreign & domestic. (Hoping our next trip to NYC is long enough to rent a car and head off to the North Fork L.I. wineries). Sadly, Cellars closed its doors on Labor Day--it couldn't make a go of it being open only 4 days a week and couldn't expand its hours because of staffing shortages plaguing the hospitality industry. It was also our go-to for celebrations & commiserations (yes, even the repast after my FIL's funeral) for its entire 15 years.

Have been dining home alone the past few days, so teetotaling. Bob got home late, so we headed to Fireside (open till 1 am, al fresco dining). DOTD was Mionetto Rosé Prosecco and for Bob, the 14 Hands red blend (and when we got home, decaf cappuccino out on our deck).

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 17, 2021 03:21AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes! Happy TGIF day! I don't know about anyone else but I am looking forward to the weekend break from the high anxiety stuff at school this week. I need the time to step back and make sure I'm not getting involved in parts of the Pooled Testing thing that aren't my issue, like the newly erupting High School drama. There were 3 hot email threads running yesterday, the alerts were constant, to the point that I had to turn off the alerts for a while so I could concentrate on other stuff. I do not need to be in the email every minute, especially on Gym day. Yesterday was gym day, and the injury instrument of the day was frisbees. Did you know that a frisbee thrown by a 3rd grader can break the arm of another 3rd grader without leaving a bruise or even a red mark? And that the "broken arm" can be cured with an ice pack? It's true! And cleaning up a skinned knee with "soap that doesn't sting as much as the soap mom uses " makes me the "best nurse ever"? Yup, yesterday was a bit of stressy day, but there were some real smiles in there, too!

Sadie reminded me that everything can be fixed with belly rubs, too. She thinks belly rubs are better than ice packs.

Goldie--that little one did know she'd be sent home. I suspect I'll be seeing a lot of her this year. It happened a few times last year, too, toward the end of the year. Everyone has the symptoms memorized at this point, we seen and heard them so often.

Chi--love the definition of oenophile!

Stress buster drink recipe by Bishakha Kumari Saxena at BetterButter

Stress Buster

Ingredients

1/2 part dry gin

1/2 part dry vermouth

1/4 part triple sec

1/4 part apricot brandy

1 splash peach schnapps

Cocktail glass

Directions

  1. Shake with ice and strain.

From <https://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/recipes/a443/stress-buster-cocktail-recipe/>

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 17, 2021 03:13PM ChiSandy wrote:

Kim, had to laugh at the "soap mom uses." My mom used to use merthiolate--which stung like crazy, when the mercurochrome, iodine and Bactine other moms used didn't. She was of the firm belief that if it didn't sting, it wasn't working. I noticed my neighborhood CVS still sells merthiolate. (I use the "liquid bandage," which does sting).

The FDA did recommend an EUA for boosters for those >65 or at high risk of severe disease. (It didn't mention immunocompromise). So I needn't feel guilty about having gotten mine. Only wish Moderna had come out sooner with its advice to give half rather than full doses as boosters--not because my side effects might have been milder and more transient, but because someone else at risk could have gotten half my dose.

I have most of last night's prime rib left over. If I'm eating alone tonight (Bob's partner, whose fibromyalgia and anxiety over her b.c.--same stage & grade as mine--is retiring and he's getting much more work and coming home later), I may Coravin a pinot noir. Thus far, my fave coffee is Dark Matter's "A Love Supreme" med. roast blend. (The company is Black-owned; when I can't get my usual Metropolis Red Line espresso beans, I use Dark Matter's "Unicorn Blood" espresso).

Speaking of coffee, my new 14-oz. Ember e-mug (and the car charger for the travel version) came today. Can't pair it with the app yet, as the battery needs to charge first. I've gotten so spoiled by having coffee that's hot to the last drop! Been using Ember since 2017.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 17, 2021 06:29PM ChiSandy wrote:

Decided not to Coravin--there was a scew-cap bottle of Meiomi (Santa Barbara/Monterey/Sonoma) 2019 Pinot Noir on the dining room rack. I know that means Bob will probably feel compelled to knock the rest of the bottle off tonight, but it's not for me to judge.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 18, 2021 04:18AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes! Happy Saturday! Taking Sapphire in for an oil change this morning. Mom's getting together with a bunch of friends for supper tonight, wants me to come too, but I think I'm going to pass given the sky-high COVID transmission rate in the county where I work and the really high likelihood a lot of it is the Delta variant. All these people are older, most but not all are vaccinated, and I just do not want to be the one who brings it into their community right now.

We've got some serious fog going on right now. There's even a weather advisory up about thick fog in places. The ground is still pretty warm but the air is cooling off at night now. Fall is coming!

Sadie says Hi to everyone!

Chi--My Mom was of a similar mind, if it didn't sting it wasn't working, and if taking care of something didn't hurt, we'd be less inclined to make up injuries just to get attention. Ah, coffee hot to the last sip is a true luxury!

Front view of two mugs of white Russian hot chocolate with two spoons on cloth.

Hot White Russian

Ingredients

  • ▢ 4oz.(2 parts) freshly brewed coffee
  • ▢ 2oz.(1 part) Kahlua
  • ▢ 2oz.(1 part) whole milk
  • ▢ 1oz.(1/2 part) vodka (I like Grey Goose)
  • ▢ Whipped cream for topping (optional, I guess…but add the whipped cream!)

Instructions

  • In a small saucepan over medium heat, combine all ingredients and heat until warm (I recommend 150-155°F). Do not boil.
  • Pour into mugs and serve immediately, topped with whipped cream, if desired.

From <https://www.rachelcooks.com/hot-white-russian/#wprm-recipe-container-28728>

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 18, 2021 05:11AM goldie0827 wrote:

NM, I'll bet you didn't know you could heal broken arms! I hope you are able to destress over the weekend. Sweet of you to pass on dinner with mom and friends, just in case you could be carrying.

I'm just bopping in for a few as I still have so much to do before I leave. I will be leaving here Monday morning at 6 ayem, go get my infusion and head to the airport. 4 hour drive, hour and a half infusion, wait at the airport, fly out at 3, arrive in Detroit at 10 and an hour drive to my brothers!

AKA - Sugar Lusty Heat! Hair pictures on my profile. DON'T LOOK DOWN ON ANYBODY, UNLESS YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP! Dx 3/27/2008, DCIS, Right, 5cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 7/2014, ILC, Right, Stage IV, 2/2 nodes, ER+, HER2- Chemotherapy AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy Breast, Lymph nodes Surgery Lumpectomy; Lymph node removal Hormonal Therapy Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Sep 18, 2021 08:58AM - edited Sep 18, 2021 08:58AM by MinusTwo

Goldie - hope you have a wonderful trip to see your kiddos & family - but my what a LONG day to get there. Also hope you'll be able to de-stress and not worry about your DH the whole time you're gone.

Edited to say - oh NM - I want a White Russian right NOW and I haven't had breakfast yet.

2/15/11 BMX-DCIS 2SNB clear-TEs; 9/15/11-410gummies; 3/20/13 recurrance-5.5cm,mets to lymphs, Stage IIIB IDC ER/PRneg,HER2+; TCH/Perjeta/Neulasta x6; ALND 9/24/13 1/18 nodes 4.5cm; AC chemo 10/30/13 x3; herceptin again; Rads Feb2014
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Sep 18, 2021 01:55PM Elle2 wrote:

Goldie - What wine fo the Tenders have available this weekend? I might stop in for a glass and a charcuterie board. I'm in the East Valley where I stayed after ASU. I have tasted a few of the Arizona wines and they are coming along nicely, getting better every year. Enjoy your travel to Detroit and your time with family.

MN - Funny how different states are about COVID. Parents here just want to keep the kids in school, since all the reports show the kiddos are the least of all groups harmed by the virus.

ChiSandy - I loved reading your response and how much you "study" your wine! However, I'm not sure you could call me an oenophile since the description denotes "a disciplined devotion to wine, accompanying strict traditions of consumption and appreciation." My consumption and appreciation of wine have absolutely no restrictions or discipline involved! My family did visit Sonoma Valley a few years back and we came home with a case of the Meiomi wines. Very good whites. I do own a Coravin, but, uhmmm...I try not to use it.

Unfortunately, I'm no longer in your bc catagory ChiSandy. Last week, my dx was updated, which is shown below, and came as a complete shock to me. Now, I'm in that grey area of having a new bc, negative margins, but with isolated tumor cells in the one and only lymph node that was removed and dissected. Are they mets from the original bc 13 years ago that were just lingering about after Tamoxifen? Or are they the new IDC that escaped and are hiding out in the lymph nodes? The cells are isolated micrometastases >200 which is considered a zero. My immediate response was, "well, take out more lymph nodes to be sure you've got them all." My surgeon is worried about the 30-40% chance of lymphodema, which outweighs the chances of having additional isolated cells in the other lymph nodes. But a quick test (nonen-something) showed my chance of recurrence would be 22%. MDA has weekly board meetings where docs present atypical issues to roundtable with others. My case has been sent up for the monthly meeting next week with members from the Houston facility and others. I'm confident that experienced group will be able to make the best decision for me.

Dx 4/2008, DCIS, Left, <1cm, Stage 0, ER+, HER2+ Surgery 5/5/2008 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 7/1/2008 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 11/29/2008 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Dx 9/2021, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/8/2021 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap Chemotherapy 10/23/2021 AC + T (Taxotere)
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Sep 19, 2021 06:24AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes!I got a nice surprise yesterday, took Sapphire in for an oil change and tire rotation and such, and it was free!I had totally forgotten that I got a year of free routine servicing! That made my morning. Sadie was not impressed that I didn't remember the free service for a year thing, but she doesn't have anywhere near as much stuff to remember as I do!

Goldie--have a safe and fun trip!

Minus--I say go for the Hot White Russian, before breakfast or not, it's coffee, after all!

Ellie--Here in the HTL we tell the Tenders what we like and want, they make sure to keep it in stock for us! There is a huge push to keeping kids in school full time, in person here, too, but it's about to blow up in our faces.Lots of schools are doing pooled testing because participating students do not have to quarantine FROM SCHOOL, but do have to quarantine FROM THE COMMUNITY. Many parents are not doing the community quarantine part "if they can go to school they can go to day care, after school programs, parties, shopping, whatever."I can see it starting to run through the community like a wildfire already, and all the added confusion is not going to help any. It's going to be a very long and busy year contact tracing and monitoring isolations and quarantines. As to the new diagnosis, I can understand wantingmore of the lymph nodes removed, and wishing there was a way to determine if those nasty micromets are from the first or second tumor. There just seems to be no easy way to get through this journey for anyone. Having confidence in your treatment team is a very good thing, I'm glad you have that.

A tall glass holds a multi-layered drink, going from deep red at the top to orange mixed with crushed ice and then a thick and opaque orange base. The drink is garnished with a generous sprig of mint, and served on a table on a balcony.

Sea of Confusion

Ingredients

  • 1 ounce Hamilton Jamaican pot-still gold rum
  • 1/2 ounce Clear Creek pear brandy
  • 1/4 ounce yellow Chartreuse
  • 1/4 ounce Cappelletti amaro sfumato rabarbaro
  • 1/2 ounce lemon juice, freshly squeezed
  • 3/4 ounce passion fruit syrup
  • 6 dashes Angostura bitters
  • 1/2 ounce Lemon Hart 151 rum
  • Garnish: mint sprig

Steps

  1. Add the first six ingredients to a footed pilsner glass over pebble ice and swizzle.
  2. Add the bitters and Lemon Hart 151 rum to top.
  3. Garnish with a large mint sprig.

From <https://www.liquor.com/recipes/sea-of-confusion/>

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 20, 2021 02:29AM - edited Sep 20, 2021 02:31AM by NativeMainer

Good Morning, Loungettes!

Where is everybody? Did I say something offensive? Or is everybody just busy?

The Long Hello cocktail | Recipe | Cocktails, Aromatic bitters, Calvados

Long Hello Ingredients Instructions

Mix all ingredients (except the sparkling wine and nutmeg) with ice, stirring until chilled. Strain into a chilled cocktail or coupe glass and top with sparkling wine. Garnish with freshly-grated nutmeg.


"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 20, 2021 05:35AM Chevyboy wrote:

No, Hah! Good Morning sweet Kim! I'm always here, even when I don't post anything.... Gotta read what my gals have to say.

Things are just a little rough lately.... It's hard thinking of losing my Brother Kenny... He was one of those who didn't want the vaccine..... And he paid for it with his life.... At least I got to say "good-bye" right before he passed away. The nurse took his phone into him, laid it on his pillow, and I talked loud, and told him I loved him, and to hang in there, and that I would always be with him....

An hour later, his Daughter texted me while we were in the store, and told me he was gone.... It just hurts so much.... but I have a place in my garden for memories, and an urn with his ashes.... so I like to think I still have him with me...

And then things are not so easy here at home.... trying my best to take care of things, to help my Husband, and keep us both from being frustrated.... or mad.... or sad.... and to just enjoy every day we have together, right?

Also trying to clean out a bunch of stuff we've accumulated in all our 66 years of marriage! Our anniversary is next week, and I thank God for our lives together!!! And pray for a million more tomorrow's! Heart

Don't walk ahead of me, I might not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not want to lead. Just walk beside me & be my friend. Dx 11/2009, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+ Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Sep 20, 2021 02:37PM ChiSandy wrote:

Elle, hope the tumor board has good news for you. Latest phase of the TAILORx study showed that OncotypeDX testing is still warranted for ER/PR+/HER2- patients with up to 3 positive nodes. The risk of lymphedema is quite real--back when I had 4 nodes (2 non-sentinel "hangers-on") removed, my surgeon's NP thought that was still low-risk but still possible; now, it is thought that as few as 2 nodes removed poses a lifelong risk. As someone who, despite having had only "subclinical LE" (per the specialist), has to wear compression in-flight and for resistance exercise, I can tell you that you want to avoid that risk as much as possible. You will most likely (fingers crossed) be recommended to get endocrine (more properly called anti-"hormonal" rather than "hormonal") therapy again, this time an aromatase inhibitor (AI) such as anastrozole, letrozole, or exemestane. Since you had a mastectomy, unless the nodes removed were clavicular, you probably won't need radiation again.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 20, 2021 02:56PM ChiSandy wrote:

As to drinking, Sat. night Bob & I grilled--we had some more of that Meiomi Pinot Noir.

Yesterday, we went to the Bears season opener at Soldier Field. I had not planned on drinking--but the near-2-mile walk from the train to our seats had me panting & sweating (I even sweated off the Flector patches I had put on my back; when I went to the rest room at halftime, as soon as I pulled down my jeans the patches fell to the floor), and the seats (while being on the 50-yd line in the club level) were so high up & steep that we were afraid to go get refreshments due to fear of losing our balance while carrying drinks or food while trying to walk. But it was brutally hot up there. So when the beer guy came around, I eagerly got a Miller Lite (3.2gm net carb). At halftime, Bob got an IPA (the drink line took forever due to one guy's credit cards getting rejected) and I got a club soda with lime. The ice in it perfectly chilled the remaining beer, and the lime made it taste great.

We walked back (in the heat, feet & back aching) to Mercat a la Planxa, only to find it no longer is open Sun. & Mon. So we walked further north to Russian Tea Time. I had a split of Möet Brut Imperial, and Bob had a "Beluga" brand vodka flight and then a 2019 Georgian white wine (a Rkatseli/Mtsvane varietal blend called "Do-Re-Mi"), which looked deep orange like an oxidized & sweet Tokaj but tasted fresh & bone-dry. We were famished and parched. When we got home (took the train, just aa we did in the morning), I had seltzer and coffee and went to bed early; slept >10 hrs.!

Oh, and the Bears won! (Hence the bubbly).

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 21, 2021 03:31AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes! Happy Twofer Tuesday! Looks like another beautiful day shaping up, but the weather people are talking about overnight frost a little later this week. Fall is definitely working its way in.

Something that I've been afraid of happening at school happened yesterday. A parent lied about a student getting a negative test and sent the child to school before quarantine was over. This is going to be one very, very complicated year.

Sadie says Hi to everyone!

Chevy--I'm sure things are very rough for you right now. I believe we do still have those we love who die with us, through memories, keepsakes, rituals, a million different ways. But it still hurts. Trying to clean out after 66 years of marriage, what a job! I can't imagine the memories that is uncovering. Getting frustrated, mad, sad, all are normal. Make sure you are taking care of yourself, too.

Chi--how disappointing to walk that far and find the restaurant closed! Glad you found another place with really good food.

Blue Insanity

2 oz of Triple Sec

2 oz of uv blue raspberry vodka

2 oz of blue curacao liqueur

6 oz of smirnoff black ice

Place some ice in a highball glass. Add the UV, blue curacao and triple sec. Top with Smirnoff, and serve.

From <https://www.cocktailbuilder.com/recipe/blue-insanity>

"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 22, 2021 03:15AM NativeMainer wrote:

Good Morning, Loungettes! Happy Hump Day!

Tenders, please pop a shot of something yummy in my coffee, please!

Maybe the smell of fresh coffee brewing will wake us all up.


"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 23, 2021 03:07AM NativeMainer wrote:

"Is there anybody out there? Anyone at all? "


"I have come to believe that caring for myself is not self indulgent. Caring for myself is an act of survival." Audre Lorde Dx 3/9/2007, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/15/2007 Lumpectomy: Right Surgery 3/29/2007 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 4/10/2007 Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/5/2007 Hormonal Therapy 4/25/2008 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/15/2008 Mastectomy: Left Surgery 6/21/2010 Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap
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Sep 23, 2021 04:21AM Chevyboy wrote:

Morning Kim! Hah! Kind of quiet around these parts, right? It's just so nice to stop by here and hear what everyone else is up to! Takes my mind off of things that aren't so fun, right?

I read that just maybe we can go in for a booster shot now? I was beginning to think we weren't old enough yet...Loopy

This whole year or more of Covid is just wearing us down. Even though we've been vaccinated, we still are afraid to go out much. We go out early to the store, and don't hang around places like we used to.

And then losing my brother because he didn't believe in the vaccinations, is just hard. I have a special place in one of my gardens for his urn with ashes, and the huge rock he helped us bring down out of the mountains and beautiful statue & plaque that Sheri sent us... just a place to think of him... Heart

Don't walk ahead of me, I might not follow. Don't walk behind me, I may not want to lead. Just walk beside me & be my friend. Dx 11/2009, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+ Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)

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