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Topic: Lymphedema and Saunas

Forum: Lymphedema — Risks, tips for prevention, and info about products that can address the symptoms of lymphedema.

Posted on: Dec 16, 2008 07:38PM

Lisa1964 wrote:

I had 17 nodes removed from the left side with my bi-lateral mast on Sept. 24, 2008.  I just joined a gym and I was so excited about using the sauna.  Then, while researching lymphedema and exercise, I see that saunas can CAUSE lymphedema.  Well crap!

Does anyone have any experience or info on this?

Thanks, Lisa

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Dec 17, 2008 12:05AM LindaLou53 wrote:

Hi Lisa,  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but yes a sauna can increase your risk of developing lymphedema if you have already had node removal.  The problem is that our lymphatic system is a finely tuned system operating under a very delicate balance.  Once you have had surgical removal of lymph nodes or tissue damage from radiation, that delicate balance can be very easily upset by the smallest of factors.

Any process that increases the flow of lymph fluid in the affected body part, can cause a damaged lymph system to reach its maximum transport capacity.  Once that limit is breached, lymph fluid begins to seep into the tissue causing swelling and extracellular tissue changes that can become permanent.

Things that cause increased lymph fluid production are heat, inflammation, infection, and over-exercise.  A sauna or jacuzzi which raises the body temperature several degrees causes increased circulation and increased lymph production.  Does that mean absolutely that you will trigger lymphedema by using a sauna or jacuzzi?  No, not necessarily, but we never know what our individual capacity is.  Some persons who have had multiple nodes removed may never show signs of lymphedema for years, but others with just a single node removed or even just a prophylactic mastectomy may still develop lymphedema.

For this reason there are specific precautions recommended to help reduce our risk of developing lymphedema once our lymphatic system has been compromised by surgery or radiation.  You can read the NLN Position Papers on risk reduction and exercise at this link:

lymphnet.org/ 

Just check the lower portion of the right hand column to find links to the position papers.

Hope this helps!

Life is not measured by how many breaths we take...but by the moments that take our breath away! ...I am a 14/9 yr survivor of 2 Primary BCs, 23/23 Positive Nodes (Zometa x 5 years) Started Paloma-3 Clinical Trial 4-14-14 Dx 11/21/2005, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIC, Grade 1, 23/23 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Dx 7/14/2000, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 2/7 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 3/21/2014, ILC, Stage IV, mets, ER+/PR-, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 05/09/2001 Hormonal Therapy 04/14/2014 Faslodex (chemical name: fulvestrant, class: estrogen receptor downregulator (ERD)) Hormonal Therapy 04/07/2006 Aromasin (chemical name: exemestane, class: aromatase inhibitor) Surgery 12/05/2005 Mastectomy of one or both breasts: Mastectomy of my left breast, Mastectomy of my right breast; Lymph node removal (also called dissection): Underarm (axillary) lymph node removal (also called dissection) , Lymph node removal (also called dissection) on my left side Surgery 08/10/2000 Lumpectomy in one or both breasts: Lumpectomy in my right breast; Lymph node removal (also called dissection): Sentinel lymph node removal (also called dissection) , Lymph node removal (also called dissection) on my right side Radiation Therapy 02/25/2001 Radiation Therapy 04/07/2006 Chemotherapy 12/23/2005 Xeloda (chemical name: capecitabine), Taxotere (chemical name: docetaxel) Chemotherapy 08/29/2000 AC + T (Taxol): Adriamycin and Cytoxan, plus Taxol
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Dec 17, 2008 07:24AM Lisa1964 wrote:

Thanks Linda.  Not what I wanted here.  I will go to the lymphnet site.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.  Lisa

I attacked and I won! www.JohnnyRebelAcres.com Dx 8/28/2008, IDC, <1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 2/17 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Apr 9, 2013 07:52PM , edited Apr 9, 2013 07:54PM by linch

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