Topic: Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

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Posted on: Jan 18, 2008 06:39PM

Posted on: Jan 18, 2008 06:39PM

thedudess wrote:

Hi I am newly diagnosed and I know alot of people rely on their faith for support and find great peace with that, however I am a atheist and was wondering if anyone else here was also.


Dx 1/7/2008, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 4/11 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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Feb 16, 2011 10:53AM - edited Feb 16, 2011 10:54AM by Bren-2007,8599,2048138,00.html

Lisa .. is the article?

The difficult thing to keep sight of when you're talking about the Singularity is that even though it sounds like science fiction, it isn't, no more than a weather forecast is science fiction. It's not a fringe idea; it's a serious hypothesis about the future of life on Earth. There's an intellectual gag reflex that kicks in anytime you try to swallow an idea that involves super-intelligent immortal cyborgs, but suppress it if you can, because while the Singularity appears to be, on the face of it, preposterous, it's an idea that rewards sober, careful evaluation.


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Feb 16, 2011 11:45AM flannelette wrote:

Molly 52 - my thoughts precisely -could come back as a chicken? no thanks. IMHO heaven and hell are right here. I think that probably once you're done, you're done, and get recycled. sounds so harsh, put like that, but there are ways (I haven't reached) of understanding, or at least accepting it. Others have. The sheer improbabliblity of having to come to consciousness as a human is, to me, staggering. But I think once was enough, thank you very much. I have a friend who says- the first thing I do when I die and get to "the other side" where I join my friends and family is ask - what the hell WAS that?

Dx 7/2008, IDC, 6cm+, Stage IIB, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/30/2008 Mastectomy: Left Chemotherapy 10/1/2008 CEF Radiation Therapy 1/10/2009 Hormonal Therapy 2/15/2009 Arimidex (anastrozole) Dx 7/20/2012, 0/6 nodes Surgery 7/20/2012 Lymph node removal: Right, Underarm/Axillary
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Feb 16, 2011 11:58AM molly52 wrote:

Yes - once was enough.  Don't know if I have the strength to do it again.  But it haunts me, that I have a purpose to fulfill ..... if I don't do it, I'll have to come back and try a second or third or fourth time.  Problem is, I don't know what is my purpose.


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Feb 16, 2011 12:00PM 3monstmama wrote:

Generally I have found that philosophys which believe in rebirth/reincarnation seem to tie the next step to how you were as in this life.  So once you become a human, unless you are REALLY Awful you don't come back as an animal on a lower level.

Re that singularity thing---very interesting.  I think we heard a report on NPR about it the other week.  DH and I immediately thought of the Cylons [sp] in Battle Star galactica.

I do think the world my monsters will live in will be unrecognizable from my own because of the technology.  And I agree completely that the changes are exponential---I won an IPod back in 2001---it was the most high tech because you could load photographs on it! It was only a little bigger than a deck of playing cards  yet you could load thousands of songs on it.  But to charge it, you had to either use a computer or hook the line to a little transformer box. 

My co-worker got her daughter an mini itouch  for holiday gift.  Its the size of a stamp, holds thousands of songs, can show movies and doesn't need a transformer to charge.  And it cost maybe 1/3 what my Ipod cost 10 years ago yet has more computing power.

I hope the cyborgs will like me!

Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
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Feb 16, 2011 12:03PM - edited Feb 16, 2011 12:04PM by Maya2

 Molly52: "Problem is, I don't know what is my purpose."

There in lies the rub.

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Feb 16, 2011 12:27PM molly52 wrote:

3monstamama - yes that seems to be my take from the hindu/buddhist philosophies.  I guess this is a presumption of superiority of humans.

The native philosphy considers all to be equal.  The trees, rocks, water, animals, people - all equal.  As far as I know, we have no way to really know.

The native philosphy does give cause to think. If that tree is equal to me, do I have the right to cut it down?  For use perhaps, but not abuse.  It put a different, but similar spin on conserving our environment.  

These are thoughts that go nowhere,  although I find them interesting to ponder.

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Feb 16, 2011 12:35PM 3monstmama wrote:


yes, I was thinking of the buddhist and hindu version.  Not sure what other groups, off the top of my head, believe in reincarnation and not sure if they all interpret it the same way.  But I do think that belief that human is the highest level is pretty common among humans.  The pre-christian nordic stories have humans at the top of the food chain, well right under the gods, as do the greek and roman beliefs. 

By "native" to whom do you refer?  "native" americans?  Native ugandans?  Native peruvians?  So many options.  I seem to recall from all those anthropology classes that many many peoples would say a thank you to the spirit of the "object" before using it.

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Feb 16, 2011 01:08PM - edited Feb 16, 2011 01:50PM by molly52

Sorry, Native Canadians/Americans aka aboriginals. 

It would be natural for humans to put themselves at the top of the food chain.  Which makes the Native philosophy so interesting to me. 

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Feb 16, 2011 01:13PM Maya2 wrote:

I wonder if bears put themselves at the top of the food chain? Maybe it depends on what species you happen to be. And do dolphins think humans are complete idiots? What's the matter with us that we don't live in water? If only we could communicate better.

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Feb 16, 2011 01:33PM River_Rat wrote:

Bren thanks for the link to the article that Lisa mentioned.  My brain hurts now. Wink
Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

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