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Topic: Is anyone else an atheist with BC besides me?

Forum: Life After Breast Cancer —

Managing life after a breast cancer diagnosis, including rediscovering intimacy, coping with fear of recurrence, reconnecting relationships, sharing hobbies and interests, and finding inspiration in daily life.

Posted on: Jan 18, 2008 06:39PM

thedudess wrote:

Hi I am newly diagnosed and I know alot of people rely on their faith for support and find great peace with that, however I am a atheist and was wondering if anyone else here was also.

thanks

Dx 1/7/2008, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 4/11 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2-
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Aug 18, 2021 03:00PM Dawnbelle wrote:

Pagan here. Many moons ago when I was Dx I found this thread helpful in finding replies to those who offered prayers for my cancer.

There are many Pagan “types” and most of us just love nature & the moon. We see the earth herself as a “Goddess” & are just kind & caring.


No Pagan alive would push a God on you.

They’d probably just offer you some sage & wish you well.

Wishing love to those who were here with me, and to those whom are new to this journey. -D

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Aug 18, 2021 05:04PM AliceBastable wrote:

Dawnbelle, While I appreciate anyone who isn't a proselytizer, there are several pagan religions that do believe in gods, such as Asatru, neo-Roman, neo-Egyptian, and others. My lack of belief extends to all of these, not just the god of the old and new testament.

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 18, 2021 05:25PM Dawnbelle wrote:

Not looking for a debate.

I understand Paganism. I was just pointing out that most Pagans are actually peaceful loving people.

You have a better shot of having vegans push a god down your throat.

My 1st purpose of replying to you was to point out your usage of “pagan types.” I assure you, they are less condescending & argumentative than “atheist types.”

I too am an atheist, while I practice the more natural side of paganism.


My 2nd reason for posting was to calm any panic in those newly diagnosed. My biggest fear when I was Dx in 2009 was dying. As you can see, I have not. I attribute that to a healthy diet, peace in my home & garden & never worrying myself with issues that have no impact on my life.

I tend to observe anger & arrogance in others.
I never absorb it.

May you find this thread ten years from now.

I hope you offer kindest & reassurance to someone new, who is frightened by all of the new Dx dates.

Us old timers tend to sail off into the sunset, leaving the less than positive side of this place far behind us


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Aug 18, 2021 05:54PM AliceBastable wrote:

Well, that escalated pretty quickly. Perhaps a separate "Pagans with BC" thread might be appropriate.

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 18, 2021 05:58PM Dawnbelle wrote:

what? Ma’am? I was one of the original members on this thread with the OP thedudess.

Nothing escalated.

You have a great day

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Aug 18, 2021 06:19PM moth wrote:

so if only I'd worried less I wouldn't have had a metastatic recurrence???

Observe my anger.

You know I love bco but I do not love this bizarre self congratulatory streak some people have for why they're still alive while so many of us are dead or dying. It happens among the religious folks attributing it to some divine intervention and now here too...

Anger anger anger

I take weekends off

Initial dx at 50. Seriously?? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: Never Tell Me the Odds

Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/14/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/19/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/26/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Dx 12/9/2020, IDC, Right, Stage IV, metastasized to lungs, Grade 3, PR-, HER2- (IHC) Radiation Therapy 12/9/2020 External: Chest wall Dx 1/28/2021, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to bone Radiation Therapy 3/3/2021 External: Bone
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Aug 18, 2021 08:38PM Miriandra wrote:

Easy, friends, let's please dial it back a bit. I'm quite certain no one meant anyone any harm.

Dx 5/31/2019, DCIS/IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+ Surgery 8/14/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left
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Aug 18, 2021 08:57PM AliceBastable wrote:

I dunno, Miriandra, it's amazing how much harm a beating with a smug weapon can inflict, and sadly, it can, like friendly fire, be collateral damage.

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 19, 2021 08:23AM DivineMrsM wrote:

I’m not one who believes stress/worries cause cancer. Living stress-free is a nice concept not always practical in every day life. Keeping stress low is a priority for me but not because I think it will cure me. When I am caught up in stress I have less time to do the many things I’d rather be doing rather than dealing with stress. I see the limited time line and keep in mind the saying “become aware of what’s really worth your energy.”

It feels to me, in simplest form, there are two types of people who say they’re praying for me. One type says it to acknowledge that they see I’m having challenges, that they care about me. They know they can’t jump in and fix things, their offer of prayer is a show of support. The other type is the kind who think their beliefs are gonna cure me. If they get the church congregants to pray and stick me on a weekly prayer list, eeeeven better! Total disregard of the medical field, no knowledge of mbc, they just think it’s as simple as saying three our fathers and two hail marys and poof! I’ll be healed.


found lump 12-22-10—ilc—er+/pr+/her2—stage iv bone mets—chemo~lumpectomy~radiation~arimidex—March 2019-ibrance/aromasin* —Sept 2019-verzenio* —March 2020-xeloda*
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Aug 19, 2021 01:02PM Elderberry wrote:

......just don't give me dogma and doctrine. "Have you found Jesus"..."No. Why is He lost?" "Only though Jesus can you find God"

Even Pagans/Wiccans can get tied up in doctrine/dogma. Are you Gardnerian, Alexandrian, Dianic, Reclaiming? Tit for Tat.

I believe there is an "Energy" out there. A life force but I don't attribute it to a Divine Being. Pagans might refer to it as the "Turning of the Great Wheel" I do like that - Birth, vigorous life, withering, death" around and around we go.

A friend of mine once said "I took LSD and saw God. I think we were both disappointed" Ha ha




De Novo - this isn't a "brave battle" - it is a "furious struggle" Dx 3/6/2019, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, HER2+ Targeted Therapy Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy Perjeta (pertuzumab)
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Aug 19, 2021 07:42PM KIDI919 wrote:

Wish I had some LSD. Had some of the best times ever! However, I guess I will go pull some weeds and commune with nature.

Dx 9/17/2019, DCIS/IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC)
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Aug 19, 2021 08:57PM Miriandra wrote:

Depending on the "weeds" you pull, you might get close. ;)

A neighbor on NextDoor.com posted a picture of spurge invading their yard. Some poor fool thought it looked like arugula and suggested they use it in a salad. 0_0 I had to post that spurge is poisonous and the sap can cause skin irritation for people with latex sensitivities. I hope Mr. Arugula learned something that day.

Dx 5/31/2019, DCIS/IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+ Surgery 8/14/2019 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left
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Aug 22, 2021 11:59PM nopink2019 wrote:

For people who really practice Christianity, I can understand when they say they're praying for me or ask for prayers for a very difficult situation in their life.While I don't respond that I'm praying for them, I do try to make a note to follow up with a call or text to see how they're doing. The prayer requests that really floor me are like one I got from a friend who is taking a vacation and she wanted all of her friends to pray that her flight was on time because it would be such an inconvenience if she missed a few hours with her daughter. The Christianity I grew up with 40-50 years ago would call this self-serving, or possibly just irreverent and comical.

Dx 2008, IDC, Stage IA, Grade 3, ER+/PR-, HER2- Dx 2019, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/liver/lungs, ER+/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 8/22/2019 Taxotere (docetaxel) Chemotherapy 9/12/2019 Xeloda (capecitabine) Targeted Therapy 11/8/2019 Kisqali Hormonal Therapy 11/8/2019 Faslodex (fulvestrant) Targeted Therapy 5/10/2021 Afinitor (everolimus) Hormonal Therapy 5/10/2021 Aromasin (exemestane) Chemotherapy 11/14/2021 Xeloda (capecitabine)
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Aug 26, 2021 08:12AM DivineMrsM wrote:

nopink, yes, that kind of self-centered prayer is ghastly. Why concern yourself with the homeless or with domestic abuse when you can use your free spin on avoiding flight delays? I have even listened to a preacher in church talk about praying to get a parking spot close to the doors of a store. Wow. Why don’t we all just carry a genie bottle around and rub it any time we need luck to turn in our direction?

found lump 12-22-10—ilc—er+/pr+/her2—stage iv bone mets—chemo~lumpectomy~radiation~arimidex—March 2019-ibrance/aromasin* —Sept 2019-verzenio* —March 2020-xeloda*
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Aug 26, 2021 08:13AM DivineMrsM wrote:

found lump 12-22-10—ilc—er+/pr+/her2—stage iv bone mets—chemo~lumpectomy~radiation~arimidex—March 2019-ibrance/aromasin* —Sept 2019-verzenio* —March 2020-xeloda*
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Aug 27, 2021 01:52PM AliceBastable wrote:

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 27, 2021 04:37PM Wren44 wrote:

In the paper today they said the head chaplain at Harvard is an atheist. He teaches classes on humanism. The funny part is that he was elected unanimously by the other chaplains at the college. They said he's very cooperative and open to their views. He's really needed by students leaving their religious backgrounds but searching for something.

Lumpectomy and re-excision followed by mastectomy of right breast. Five years of anastrasole completed.
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Aug 27, 2021 07:04PM AliceBastable wrote:

Wren44, that's so encouraging!

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 27, 2021 07:33PM KIDI919 wrote:

Alice you are heading for hell! LOL

Dx 9/17/2019, DCIS/IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC)
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Aug 27, 2021 07:59PM Betrayal wrote:

If only Jehovah's (according to my sanctimonious brother) go to heaven, then Alice, hell is where you want to be. You'll have lots of good company.

Surgery 1/31/2016 Lumpectomy: Left Surgery 1/31/2016 Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 3/3/2016 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 3/31/2016 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 6/24/2016 Arimidex (anastrozole) Hormonal Therapy 5/18/2017 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy 6/16/2020 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Aug 27, 2021 09:50PM KIDI919 wrote:

I heard a fun joke the other day. God was going to sue the devil. The devil said good luck finding a lawyer in heaven. If there are any lawyers on this post...sorry.

Dx 9/17/2019, DCIS/IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC)
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Aug 27, 2021 10:53PM AliceBastable wrote:

Oh, all the best and most interesting people will be in the Netherworld. Or the Netherlands. Or Nether-Netherland. Chocolate, tulips, Peter Pan, and weed for everyone in the hereafter!

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 28, 2021 10:33AM - edited Aug 28, 2021 10:34AM by AliceBastable

Oh, and lovely Edam and Gouda in the Netherworldlands!

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes
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Aug 28, 2021 11:44AM - edited Aug 28, 2021 11:44AM by magiclight

Surgery 4/26/2015 Mastectomy: Left, Right Dx IDC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1 Surgery
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Aug 28, 2021 12:01PM Trishyla wrote:

Took me a minute, Alice, but that's hilarious. I live around the corner from a Jehovah's witness church. They used to come around constantly when I first moved here, a gaggle of Hispanic ladies in their dresses and hats. They stopped coming to my house after a while. I think the word got back to them to not annoy the crazy lady with purple hair.

Dx 8/30/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 8/30/2016, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Dx 9/6/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 9/28/2016 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 4/4/2017 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): DIEP flap; Reconstruction (right): DIEP flap Chemotherapy 8/4/2017 Xeloda (capecitabine)
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Aug 28, 2021 12:07PM magiclight wrote:

Trish...the world needs more "crazy lady with purple hair."

Surgery 4/26/2015 Mastectomy: Left, Right Dx IDC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1 Surgery
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Aug 28, 2021 12:13PM Elderberry wrote:

Alice: I laughed out loud with the mice!!! We once lived in a house close to a Kingdom Hall. They never bothered us. It seemed for them like a good plan not to bother their neighbours. At another time , another house, we had the President of the local Hells Angels chapter living next door. He was a really good neighbour. Give me a burly guy with a big bike any time over someone with a case brimming with copies of The Watchtower.

De Novo - this isn't a "brave battle" - it is a "furious struggle" Dx 3/6/2019, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, HER2+ Targeted Therapy Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy Perjeta (pertuzumab)
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Aug 28, 2021 12:49PM illimae wrote:

Trishyla, when the Bible beaters come around my house I say “I’m not buying anything, thank you”, they say “oh, we’re not selling anything” and I reply “aren’t you though?”. They understand immediately and walk away, no rebuttal, just silence.

Diagnosed at 41 Stage IV De Novo Dx 11/16/2016, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/2/2017 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/2/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 1/2/2017 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Surgery 6/26/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Underarm/Axillary Radiation Therapy 8/10/2017 Breast, Lymph nodes Dx 10/5/2017, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+, HER2+ (IHC) Radiation Therapy 10/20/2017 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 4/18/2018 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 5/23/2019 External: Brain Surgery 1/22/2020 Radiation Therapy 2/17/2020 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 7/20/2020 External: Bone Radiation Therapy 12/4/2020 External: Brain Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Targeted Therapy Tukysa (tucatinib) Chemotherapy Xeloda (capecitabine)
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Aug 28, 2021 01:34PM Elderberry wrote:

Way back when when I was living in a tiny apartment at the top of an old house (not the place close to the Kingdom Hall) I decided the living room needed a lick of paint. I put on a head scarf to protect my hair from drips when I was doing the ceiling. There was a knock on the door so I went down to see who it was. There was the bulging case of Watch Towers. I decided to not even give her an opening so I said "I am sorry, but I am Muslim". I am not but I thought maybe that statement and my scarf might do it. She replied "Oh my - I have never met one of God's Little Brown Children" WTF. Brown? Children? Beside the condescending tone, I am Irish/Scottish/French. I have a black friend who once said "You are so white, you'd glow in the moonlight" I just replied "I am closing the door now" and shut it in her face.


De Novo - this isn't a "brave battle" - it is a "furious struggle" Dx 3/6/2019, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to liver, HER2+ Targeted Therapy Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy Taxol (paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy Perjeta (pertuzumab)
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Aug 28, 2021 01:34PM AliceBastable wrote:

Elderberry, When my husband was Very Catholic instead of his current Sorta Catholic, he belonged to the St. Vincent de Paul thingy. Mostly all they did, in the barely-working class neighborhood where we lived at the time, was deliver food boxes to anyone who needed them, no questions asked about religious affiliation, no preaching. It was one of the few churchy things that particular parish, at least, got right. One of the members looked like such a Hell's Angels type - long hair, beard (much rarer in the 80s), burly bod with tattoos, the whole look. But he was actually very sweet. Since there was quite a bit of street crime in that neighborhood, Biker Bod Guy was VERY popular and in high demand as a food distribution partner of the geekier looking members. One advantage of bad neighborhoods - not many squeaky clean JWs annoying the residents!

Endometrial cancer 2010, basal cell multiples, breast cancer 2018, kidney cancer 2018. Boring. Hope it stays that way. Dx 5/2018, ILC, Left, 2cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 1/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/10/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/7/2018 Radiation Therapy 10/28/2018 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes

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