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Risks and benefits, side effects, and costs of anti-estrogen medications. Note: Please remember that there are good experiences and bad with ALL treatments and this is a safe place to share YOUR experience, not to be influenced or influence others.

Posted on: Apr 22, 2016 09:06AM

MT1 wrote:

I was premenopausal at diagnosis. 100% ER/PR+. I took 5 years of tamoxifen and just three months ago switched to femara. I don't want to do this anymore. I want to stop taking the drugs and walk away. Have any of you decided to follow a similar path? If so, can you tell me about your decision making process and how you feel about it now?


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Aug 11, 2017 07:07AM dtad wrote:

Hi Bethy...I refused anti hormone therapy from the start. There were several reasons why I chose to go this route. Since my diagnosis I have been trying to lower my estrogen levels naturally. Please feel free to PM me if you want to talk more. Good luck to all.

Dx 3/20/2015, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/10/2015, ILC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/21/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Aug 11, 2017 04:25PM SJI wrote:

Bethy and dtad: I'm choosing not to take anti-hormone therapy - mostly because it only lowers the risk from 12 to 6 percent or 8 to 4 percent depending if I calculate from the higher or lower range risk number I was given. My main reason is my anti-depressants aren't compatible with the anti-hormone therapy and I've literally tried all the ones that are compatible. It was really difficult to find a combination of meds that relieve my depression and I'm not about to mess with it. I'm exercising vigorously three hours a week. My MO says 150 minutes of exercise reduces recurrence risk by 40 percent. (The numbers above had the exercise factored in.) I am also losing weight which I think would help but he said it wouldn't make much difference risk-wise. I'm still dedicated to doing it. I've lost 10 pounds since finishing rads on June 28. Of course I gained 16 pounds between diagnosis and end of rads. Comfort eating.... But at least I'm headed in the right direction.

Like you I wish there was reliable info on ways to reduce risk. I also wish there was a study we could sign up for so data could be collected and comparisons made to others who are taking anti-hormone therapy.

I registered for the Sept. 22-23 Northwest Metastatic Breast Cancer Conference: Living Well. Living Longer, in Seattle. I'm just going on Friday since it is open to people that don't have metastatic cancer:

Friday, September 22
We'll focus on "breast cancer rehab" with sessions on integrative care, inflammation and disease and nutrition as medicine. The goal of these sessions is to help you manage better during treatment, heal afterward and in some cases lower recurrence/progression risk. Friday will be open to breast cancer patients of any stage and subtype and their caregivers.

http://komenpugetsound.org/nwmbcc/ breast cancer

You can also register to watch the conference online.

Onctype 11, Completed 16 radiation treatments plus 4 boosts on June 28 Dx 2/3/2017, ILC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/30/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Radiation Therapy 5/30/2017 Whole-breast: Breast Radiation Therapy 5/30/2017 Whole-breast: Breast
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Aug 12, 2017 12:59AM ChiSandy wrote:

Thanks for catching my typo (actually, brain fart), Jennie. I made the correction.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Aug 12, 2017 01:27AM - edited Aug 28, 2017 01:14AM by ChiSandy

Scaredashell, how's your hip? Have you seen an orthopedist (regular or sports-medicine)? Your symptoms sound exactly like mine in early 2015 (before breast cancer). The sports med ortho did an ultrasound and found a big honkin' bursa over the precise spot on my hip from which the pain was radiating. He did a cortisone shot, which helped a bit. After I got home from a trip to Spain (where I was cane-dependent the whole time), I had an MRI which revealed I had a torn gluteus medius muscle. Did the math in my head and realized the pain started the day after I had shoveled snow and then walked 1/2 mi. ea. way through 3' snowdrifts to & from a Super Bowl party. It led not just to the muscle tear and bursitis, but also iliotibial (IT) band syndrome. Eventually, P.T., Flector and lidocaine patches, plus the shot, healed my hip (it took about a month).

And getting medical oncology advice from a nutritionist (BTW, anyone can call themselves a nutritionist regardless of credentials) is like getting nutrition advice from your hairdresser or fashion tips from your oncologist. (I'm not giving orthopedic advice, but rather urging that you seek it from an orthopedist).

Finally, any time I see a book, website, or article with the words “the Truth" in it, I hear the sound of rubber ducks in the distance. And it always turns out to be quackery. (Christofferson—not a doctor, biologist or nurse--is a disciple of Joseph Mercola, who is that rare quack who also is an MD). There is a thread on the Alternative forums about treating estrogen+ bc naturally. The Alternative forums, according to the Moderators, are not intended to be an endorsement of alternative or natural remedies, but rather a safe and non-judgmental harbor for those who choose to spurn conventional treatment. This forum is not, and calling out quackery, fakery, and woo here is fair game.

Diagnosed at 64 on routine annual mammo, no lump. OncotypeDX 16. I cried because I had no shoes...but then again, I won’t get blisters.... Dx 9/9/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/23/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 11/2/2015 3DCRT: Breast Hormonal Therapy 12/31/2015 Femara (letrozole)
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Aug 12, 2017 07:38PM Bethy9001 wrote:

thank you

Dx 6/5/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/9/2017 Lymph node removal: Sentinel, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Aug 13, 2017 10:21PM Cdore wrote:

Thank you so mucgv

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Aug 20, 2017 02:18PM LindaKR wrote:

scaredashell07...not sure where your nutritionist got that Info. Without ovaries our oldies still make estrogen in the adrenal glands and fat cells, which is why we are taking the aromatase inhibitors, it stops that process.

Modified Radical MX w/axillary dissection; 6xTCH, Hercpetin for a year, Rads, trying 3rd AI Aromasin. No Reconstruction. Lymphedema. Dx 3/19/2010, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 5/18 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Surgery 4/2/2010 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left Targeted Therapy 5/15/2010 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Chemotherapy 5/15/2010 Carboplatin (Paraplatin), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2010 Arimidex (anastrozole), Aromasin (exemestane), Femara (letrozole) Radiation Therapy 9/25/2010 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes, Chest wall
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Aug 21, 2017 10:44AM - edited Aug 21, 2017 03:39PM by marijen

Estrogens can be produced by fat tissue, the liver, the adrenal glands and the ovaries. The ovaries are the primary source of estrogens in premenopausal women, except for women who are pregnant. Estrogen production from the ovaries begins with the theca interna cells, which convert cholesterol into a hormone called androstenedione. This hormone is then exported to other cells within the ovaries, called the granulosa cells. These cells convert the adrostenedione into estradiol. During pregnancy, estrogen production is taken over by the placenta. After menopause, the ovaries stop producing estrogens and it is instead made by the adrenal glands, the liver and the fatty tissue within the breasts.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/23846-estrogen-p...




The related hormones that make up the family known as estrogen include estrone, estradiol, and estriol.

Estrone (E1)

Estrone is considered a weaker form of estrogen and is the major estrogenic form found in naturally menopausal women who are not taking hormone replacement therapy (HRT). It is the only estrogen that is present in any amount in women after menopause.

Estrone is the least abundant of the three hormones.

Estrone is made in small amounts in most tissues of the body, notably fat and muscle.

Estradiol (E2)

Estradiol is the most potent form of estrogenic steroids produced by ovaries and exerts the fullest range of estrogenic effects. When estradiol reaches the tissues, it connects with estrogen receptors to trigger specific activities in those tissues and cells.

In addition to being produced by ovaries, estradiol can also be produced by conversion from a number of precursors in the adrenal glands and the placenta.

Estradiol is thought to contribute to many gynecological problems such as endometriosis, fibroids, and even female cancers, particularly endometrial cancer.

Estriol (E3)

Estriol is a metabolic waste product of estradiol metabolism that has some effects on a limited number of estrogen receptors.

Estriol is only produced in significant quantities during pregnancy.

Estriol is made by the placenta from 16-hydroxydehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (16-OH DHEAS)4, which is an androgen steroid made in the fetal liver and adrenal glands and is 8 percent as potent as estradiol and 14 percent as potent as estrone.


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/277177.ph...


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Aug 21, 2017 07:25PM marijen wrote:

Management of AI joint pai
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC28267...


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Aug 21, 2017 08:17PM Brutersmom wrote:

I met with my MO today and told him that the side effects were so bad on Als that I could not continue. He was not happy but did not do any guilt tripping. He encouraged me to consider trying again in 9 months. Unlike my family Dr, the surgeon, and the nutritionist, the MO he did not feel that weight loss and exercise offers that much benefit. His only guilt trip was he said that most of his patients stuck it out for at least 2-3 years. AS I was check out I has a fun conversation with the staff at the check out. They were curious why 9 months and I told them that I felt I had to stop Als. They asked me if I was just walking away and I told them about my change in nutrition and exercise. They applauded me. They said they see so many women suffering on the drugs. They said that many women suffer for just a 2-6% benefit when if they took charge of their health they could achieve a similar benefit and be healthier.

Diagnosed at 62, No lump, found on a routine mammogram Dx 7/29/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (DUAL) Surgery 8/7/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/19/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 9/27/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/24/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Aug 21, 2017 09:46PM - edited Aug 21, 2017 09:47PM by Artista928

The few % benefit is not on it's own, assuming your #s are very low for recurrence. On it's own it's much higher. It's 3-4% additional benefit vs Tamoxifen.

Dx'd at 50. Doing it all, all by myself. Stopped Letrozole after 5 weeks. Debilitating se's. Back on Tamox now. Dx 6/2/2015, IDC, Left, 6cm+, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 1/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (DUAL) Surgery 8/6/2015 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 11/3/2015 AC + T (Taxotere) Radiation Therapy 5/2/2016 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes, Chest wall Hormonal Therapy 6/28/2016 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Surgery 12/9/2016 Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Hormonal Therapy 2/14/2017 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy 3/26/2017 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Surgery 9/1/2017 Reconstruction (right): Fat grafting, Silicone implant
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Aug 21, 2017 10:29PM Jojo0529 wrote:

so interesting. I recall reading something about statins reducing breast cancer risk. It must be due to the cholesterol

ONCO 17 ....ki-67 25% miotic 1. Dx 7/30/2015, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 8/20/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Left Chemotherapy 9/3/2015 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 12/1/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 1/11/2016 Prophylactic ovary removal; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant, Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant, Tissue expander placement
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Aug 21, 2017 10:37PM Brutersmom wrote:

I was told by the MO that my risk is 20% with nothing 16% with Tamoxifen and 12-14% with the Als. When you have no quality of life on the drug. Loss of vision, loss of hearing, anxiety attacks, inability to sleep, (average was 2-3 hours/night), not able to tolerate anything touching my skin, feeling like my insides were shaking, those odds don't seem so bad. And if I continue to lose weight, exercise several times a week, (strengthening and aerobic) and eat a healthy diet the 20% goes back down and my health in general improves. Might not be for everyone but I prefer to live life then exist like I did for 15 months.

What this really says to me is we need better treatment options. To many women are forced to suffer for a relatively small benefit and so many dangerous or debilitating side effects.

Diagnosed at 62, No lump, found on a routine mammogram Dx 7/29/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (DUAL) Surgery 8/7/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/19/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 9/27/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/24/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Aug 22, 2017 07:08AM dtad wrote:

Brutersmom...I completely agree with you! Most MOs know very little about female hormones so I'm not surprised he was unaware of the benefits of weight loss and exercise lowering recurrence rates. The are all hard decisions but we have to do what feels right. Good luck and keep us posted.

Dx 3/20/2015, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/10/2015, ILC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/21/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Aug 22, 2017 08:16AM marijen wrote:

Long list of inactive ingredients here with descriptions..


https://www.drugs.com/inactive/


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Aug 22, 2017 11:04AM marijen wrote:

Drugs.com has medications reviews - here's a good one. I know everyone is different. But I often wonder if cancer goes to weak or injured areas in our bodies.


"I would give a lot to have NEVER taken Femara! It aged me 20 years in a few months. I took it for more than six years before I told my oncologist I would not take it any more. It was killing me! I was sleeping an average of two hours a night......a "good" night was five hours every ten to fourteen days. The other side effects were awful! Femara did NOT keep the cancer from coming back! It is KNOWN to weaken the bones, and the cancer is now rampant in my bones!"


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Aug 22, 2017 12:27PM Hopeful82014 wrote:

Brutersmom -

You wrote, above, "AS I was check out I has a fun conversation with the staff at the check out. They were curious why 9 months and I told them that I felt I had to stop Als. They asked me if I was just walking away and I told them about my change in nutrition and exercise. They applauded me. They said they see so many women suffering on the drugs. They said that many women suffer for just a 2-6% benefit when if they took charge of their health they could achieve a similar benefit and be healthier."

While I have NO doubt that exercise and excellent nutrition can make a great difference, I find it extraordinarily inappropriate that the reception staff at any MO's office would be commenting on the putative percentage of benefit of ANY treatment decisions, much less a decision to swap exercise and lifestyle changes for an AI.

Most reception staffs are caring, skilled and compassionate women (usually) but I'd never solicit nor accept their advice on treatment decisions over my MO's advice. I'm just shaking my head over their response.

Dx 2014, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Aug 22, 2017 12:28PM marijen wrote:

That's right BB, well maybe that's why my pain has started up. It's been over a year since last reclast infusion. And got sloppy with the calcium. I'm not big on something made from limestone (Tums). But then I bought a bone strength supplement and gee whiz - the inactive ingredients are worse than the Letrozole. I hope they figure it out one of these days. Then again, there are only two million survivors still suffering (sarcasm).

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Aug 22, 2017 12:57PM marijen wrote:

I know exactly how you feel BB.

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Aug 22, 2017 01:02PM azb2005 wrote:

Wow I am so grateful for all I've read here this morning. I am new to the forum. I had my BMX on 7/20, with expanders, thinking I was going to do reconstruction. I've decided against that, and staying flat. Awaiting a surgery date. But this is off this particular topic...

My medical oncologist prescribed Anastrozole and I am really struggling with whether or not to take it. I'll be 63 on Sunday, and other than this damn cancer have been a healthy, active person. I don't see the statistics as being so staggeringly different with or without, so I'm seeing my regular MD on Thursday, who is also an Integrative doc...hoping to make some sense out of all of this.

Thank you all....such GREAT information here!


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Aug 22, 2017 01:21PM chef127 wrote:

Is there even just one BC Tx (after surgery) that is not a hazard to our well being? I had a lx which showed one dirty margin, the ca was on my skin which automatically put me in stage IIIB and chemo was a given. I REFUSED! so I did the rads (kicking and screaming) to avoid another surgery. I refused rads to the underarm even tho there was a LN infected with ca. Now you want to possibly take away the use of my arm from LE. another serious hazard. F--K ME! When I researched the next option of depleting all my estrogen I was floored. "You want me to do What"? I lied to my MO and made up se's and started with Arimidex to Femera to tamox. Never happened. I swallowed one pill and tossed the rest. ER+96% PR+85%. Sounds like a death wish, but for me all those tx's sounded like death or poor QOL.

It''s been 6 years now NED, this week in fact. Was I over dx'ed?, is the E+P+ not a factor in my case? IDK, researchers and drs don't know. so to be safe we'll put you through hellish tx and hope for the best.

Until they can find a BC tx that does NOT take away our hormones we will continue to suffer the ravages of tx. I empathize with anyone suffering for the 5-10-lifetime of toxic tx. I have no idea why I'm still NED, my weight is good, I smoke, my diet is so-so.....and I avoided most tx. I'M A VERY stupid, bad girl.

Marijen, sorry about your bones, I had no clue. Is it possible the AI's contributed? very curious ??????

Dx 8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 1/3/2012 Breast
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Aug 22, 2017 01:28PM marijen wrote:

Thanks chef, we need to hear from brave ones like you. My endocrinologist has refused to do a bone scan from the first six months on Letrozole, so I have no idea now, even though my results were worse nearly two years ago. Next appt is in Nov. I think he must hate women. I think bone scans can be done more often with reason. Anyways, I'm off to the LE Pt now. It's been since May 2016 I have lymphedema. It's slight but painful and annoying! I'm in the middle now. My eyes have started to act up - vitreous detachment and ERM.

Anyways, chef, please keep posting your story.

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Aug 22, 2017 02:13PM chef127 wrote:

NO, not brave! Taking these toxic pills without knowing whats really going on with our endo system, that's brave.

Marijen, can the trouble with your eyes be corrected? I am disabled due to a neuro condition. I was fine for years, mopping floors in my kitchen WITH my mostly male employees then BAM menopause hit and my condition kicked my ass. I believe when my Estrogen was low it hit my nervous system and sent my condition in high gear. The worst part by far is the damage done to my optic nerves. Double vision, corrected with prisim (sp) lenses as long as I have my glasses on, and Nystagmus, where my eyes shake and objects I stare at slowly move and I get vertigo. Its like an LSD trip, NO tx available. It's the biggest culprete for my disability. I hope your able to repair your optic nerves. IMHO it is estrogen deprivation?????? But I'm no dr.

HugxoxoMaureen


Dx 8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 1/3/2012 Breast
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Aug 22, 2017 02:15PM - edited Aug 22, 2017 02:16PM by chef127

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Dx 8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 1/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 1/3/2012 Breast
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Aug 22, 2017 04:39PM marijen wrote:

Here is a study regarding Breast Cancer Medications and the Eyes - unfortunately it's the only study I can find. A friend sent it to me or I never would have known - my eyes have deteriorated since Jan but the opthamologist says they are healthy. I guess it doesn't matter if I can't see as well as six months ago? If someone can find another study, it would be great. I don't think they will believe until it is common knowledge.

Breast cancer medications and vision: effects of treatments for early-stage disease.

Eisner A1, Luoh SW.

Author information Abstract

This review concerns the effects on vision and the eye of medications prescribed at three phases of treatment for women with early-stage breast cancer (BC): (1) adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy, (2) adjuvant endocrine therapy, and (3) symptomatic relief. The most common side effects of cytotoxic chemotherapy are epiphora and ocular surface irritation, which can be caused by any of several different regimens. Most notably, the taxane docetaxel can lead to epiphora by inducing canalicular stenosis. The selective-estrogen-receptor-modulator (SERM) tamoxifen, long the gold-standard adjuvant-endocrine-therapy for women with hormone-receptor-positive BC, increases the risk of posterior subcapsular cataract. Tamoxifen also affects the optic nerve head more often than previously thought, apparently by causing subclinical swelling within the first 2 years of use for women older than ~50 years. Tamoxifen retinopathy is rare, but it can cause foveal cystoid spaces that are revealed with spectral-domain optical coherence tomography (OCT) and that may increase the risk for macular holes. Tamoxifen often alters the perceived color of flashed lights detected via short-wavelength-sensitive (SWS) cone response isolated psychophysically; these altered perceptions may reflect a neural-response sluggishness that becomes evident at ~2 years of use. The aromatase inhibitor (AI) anastrozole affects perception similarly, but in an age-dependent manner suggesting that the change of estrogen activity towards lower levels is more important than the low estrogen activity itself. Based on analysis of OCT retinal thickness data, it is likely that anastrozole increases the tractional force between the vitreous and retina. Consequently, AI users, myopic AI users particularly, might be at increased risk for traction-related vision loss. Because bisphosphonates are sometimes prescribed to redress AI-induced bone loss, clinicians should be aware of their potential to cause scleritis and uveitis occasionally. We conclude by suggesting some avenues for future research into the visual and ocular effects of AIs, particularly as relates to assessment of cognitive function.

PMID:
21819259
PMCID:
PMC3205820
DOI:
10.3109/02713683.2011.594202
[Indexed for MEDLINE]
Free PMC Article
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Aug 22, 2017 07:15PM Brutersmom wrote:

Hopeful8201 I am not taking their advice and I don't think she would have said anything it I hadn't said something first. I had made my decision before I even saw the MO. I worked in a hospital as support staff many years ago. I was a social worker on an oncology floor. I saw what chemo did to people before they learned that adding steriods and anti nausea drugs would help people tolerate chemo therapy better. One thing I learned from that experience in the hospital, is that often nurses and other support staff have a more real view then many physician. They see and hear the emotions and feeling of patients and families as they struggle through this journey. My coworkers and I spent may hours convincing surgeons to consider a lumpectomy as a possibility for some patients. The hospital policy was still a radical mastectomy. This was many years ago but like the lumpectomy, change needs to happen in the drug world. So many women suffer because on size fits all approach. There is little known if the drug is too much for some and not enough for others and who really needs it. Then if there are side effects. The choices are quit the drug, suck it up and suffer, or take other drugs to combat side effects. My decision was made after a discussion with my Medical Dr. and the surgeon and a previous discussion with my MO. Both the surgeon (who heads up the oncology program) and the Family Dr felt that if I decided to stop the Al's I could get a significantly benefit from a exercise program and diet. The goal being weight loss. I am overweight. I am working with a nutritionist and a meeting with a physical trainer. My diet is a lifestyle change in my eating habits. My work out right now is focus on muscle strengthening/development. Today's check in showed 4 pounds lost in the last 30 days and a reduction in the circumference of my thighs, waist, calf and arms. Yea a little less fat to make estrogen. This is just my opinion and a decision made with the help of my physicians.

OK I am off my soap wagon and back to my corner. I will end with I do think a women should try the drug first. Some will have no or very minimal side effects and some will have serious side effects. I do not think a woman should stay on a medication that is severly affecting her quality of life for the small benefit that these drugs give but it is a personal decision.

Diagnosed at 62, No lump, found on a routine mammogram Dx 7/29/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (DUAL) Surgery 8/7/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/19/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 9/27/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/24/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Aug 22, 2017 09:45PM - edited Aug 22, 2017 11:33PM by Hopeful82014

Brutersmom - Congratulations on making such solid progress towards your fitness goals. We all know how much hard work & discipline that represents.

I did understand that you had already made your decision about the AI - and I respect that. My concern was absolutely not with nursing staff responding to your situation but rather that reception/scheduling staff were weighing in. Back in the dark ages when I worked in the field that was utterly out of the question and I, personally, would still see it as inappropriate. That was all I was trying to say and obviously I didn't communicate it very well.

Edited to add: I would not argue with anyone about the need for better options beyond tamoxifen and AIs. Unfortunately, I don't see signs of anything in deveopment and, even if a new drug were to be introduced, its cost would likely be so high that few of us could afford it until it went generic. If anyone knows differently, please speak up! I'm doing o.k. on letrozole and am committed to taking it as long as needed but I won't pretend that I wouldn't love to be able to SAFELY walk away from it.

Dx 2014, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Aug 22, 2017 11:10PM marijen wrote:

Brutersmom, I didn't realize it was just yesterday you told your MO you are stopping. In one of these topics I started a discussion about tappering to ward off a flood of estrogen and emotions. Have you seen it. I did get some flack for it because it came from a body builders website. They use AIs for some reason, partly to do with man boobs. So please let us know how you are feeling day to day with stopping. My pain was reduced in the first two weeks, but I still have a lot. Heard it can take a year for hormones to right themselves if they ever do.

Hopeful I understand what you were saying to Brutersmom about the reception women but I thought it was wonderful they were willing to tell the truth as they knew it. I think we are smart enough to take opinions and experiences for what they are worth but most medical people are afraid to take the chance. If only they were all truthful with us


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Aug 23, 2017 06:20AM dtad wrote:

chef27....I think your story proves what a crap shoot recurrence is. They just don't know who will recur or not regardless of treatment or lack of it. This is why we all have to make our own informed decisions. Until the day we have better treatment options I will continue to refuse anti hormone treatment. Good luck to all navigating this complicated disease

Dx 3/20/2015, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 4/10/2015, ILC, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 5/21/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Aug 23, 2017 10:54PM - edited Aug 23, 2017 10:57PM by Brutersmom

Marijen I actually stopped Arimidex back in March for 30 days and the tried Femara for about 14 day. I felt better within 24 hours of stopping Arimidex. I started Femara about 30 days later and immediately started feeling bad and in addition developed incredible back pain and a sensation in my skin that let me not wanting to be touched. I could not stand up straight when getting up from chair or out of bed until I walked around for a while. That stopped within 24 hours of stopping Femera. I did not make the final decision to stop until June after talking to the surgeon and MD. It was a difficult choice. I did not go through any type withdraw. I did have a few days of increased night sweats but I also experienced an increase in night sweats when I started loosing weight after I change my diet and started my workout program. They have since pretty much subsided. Prior to stopping the aromatase inhibitors, I started developing tendinitis in my foot, elbow and wrist. They seem to come and go. I have to be very careful with any kind of repetition. My MD thinks it is from lack of hormone and should get better the longer I am off and the more I strengthen the muscles in my body.

Diagnosed at 62, No lump, found on a routine mammogram Dx 7/29/2015, IDC, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (DUAL) Surgery 8/7/2015 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Surgery 8/19/2015 Lumpectomy: Right Radiation Therapy 9/27/2015 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 10/24/2015 Arimidex (anastrozole)

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