All Topics → Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment → Topic: natural girls
Posted on: Mar 3, 2009 09:59PM
I have tried this before, but wanted to start a thread for us natural girls to build our friendships, share our thoughts and the natural things we are doing. there is a thread called bottle of tamoxifen, that I enjoyed the friendships of, but now that I am off the tamoxi-train and using alternatives, it would be nice to have a support group of women who encourage each other with alternative, complementary and holistic treatment.
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Apr 27, 2009 08:11AM amberyba wrote:
Munchy thanks for the info on the Britta, I think I can afford that one, and Althea I'll look for the new glass one, Althea, I have tervis tumblers as well, my DH loves those tumblers, and last week I was wondering the same thing "are they safe?".Lisa thanks for the link..."plant estrogens" will be a good one...
Apr 27, 2009 01:05PM Jackmd1 wrote:Below are articles on the anti-cancer properties that I have found on Pubmed.com, a digital library of 18 million articles. The evidence is overwhelming!
Apr 27, 2009 04:03PM althea wrote:
I wrote to Tervis to inquire if their tumblers contain bisphenol A. They responded with a pdf file, which I can't seem to copy and paste. Basically, the answer is yes, the tumblers contain BPA, and the bulk of the pdf file was citing reasons why I should believe BPA is safe. They claim BPA has a 50-year safety track record and is made in compliance with 21 CFR 177.1580.
I am seriously bummed to learn these tumblers have BPA. I've greatly reduced my consumption of disposable beverage containers by having my tumbler with me every time I leave the house. Also, these tumblers don't sweat, which is a huge bonus during the blistering hot summers here.
Living a simple lifestyle can sure be a challenge.
Apr 27, 2009 04:39PM DonnaDio wrote:
Good thread.. before chemo.. i was on very little sugar, no dairy and gluten free. On chemo. oh my. sugar is such a crave!! I am grateful that so far.. appetite is good and am still eating pretty ok. salads, flax seed (1/4tsp), broccoli and good veggies steamed. chicken and meat... usally did not eat as much red meat until treatments started!!! BUT. the fact is before cancer and the change above, lost closed to 20 pounds and did alot of good detoxing liver and system as needed.
I am still able to do yoga and walk. IT is two-sixth day after chemo where i crash. BUT the appetite for sweets is big and do it but with boundaries. I am also with anemia since I lost alot of blood and had transfusions in surgery.Like STaceyR says.. keeping up with excrcise for me works for the pre treatment time.. which for me is Yoga and Pilates... Love the comments and help here!
I am taking my calcium, vit D and b complex and probiotics daily. Keeping my system goin has always been an issue and being on iron is not always easy to mangage.
Sooooo. can chemo just be a period where the taste of what you want is ok as i am craving the bad and try not to overdo!!!Fruits are being consumed daily also. IT is the chocolate covered pretzels and snicky snacks that i am measuring.
Apr 27, 2009 05:19PM vivre wrote:
DrJack-That study sounds interesting, but could you summarize it for us mere mortals? I did study basic anatomy and physiology, but I am still lost with all the techno speak. Also, does it explain why eating Asparagus makes your urine smell really bad? LOL
PS, I started growing my own asparagus two years ago. I now have my first crop of 1 stalk! Whoopee! Fortunately, I am the only one around here who likes it, so I will savor it, and then hold my nose when visiting the potty! Hopefully, the crop with be bigger next year!
Apr 27, 2009 06:21PM ngcm05 wrote:
Wow!!! I just spent two hours reading this entire topic site! So great! I have learned so much. Real quick....I was diagnosed stage 2, grade 2 IDC in October. Had a double Pmx in December. Just did my "exchange" April 10 and feel great. I need to lose about 40 lbs...I think that is one of the reasons why my 99% estrogen positive cancer came about. I bet changing my diet will help. I have learned so much on the website....thinking about iodine, grapeseed oil and green tea. I do take the supplements (selenium, fish oil, CoQ, garlic, D, multi, calcium, probiotics) but my question is, does anyone have an opinion about WHEN to take them. I sort of slam them all when I go to bed and wonder if that is the optimum time, or if I should be taking them some other time. I don't like the fish oil in the morning as it makes me erpy (word?) and I have been on Tamoxifen for 4 months (no side effects at all) and take it at night to avoid the hot flashes.
Thanks for your feedback!
Apr 27, 2009 06:24PM Munchy wrote:
Thanks for the info on the plastic - I had it all wrong! Best to get away from all plastic I guess.
Donna - I too have always had a problem with keeping my digestive system running as it should. Throw in chemo and/or iron supplements, and things got real bad. I found this supplement called O3 Right that has really helped me as nothing else ever has. It supposedly works by oxygenating your colon. I order it from gethealthyagain.com.
Apr 27, 2009 07:15PM DonnaDio wrote:
Thanks Munchy...good to know. I have been using Fiber Smart and Cleanse More by Renew Life and it works. AFTER Chemo, i will do some liver detoxing also thru Renew Life. That oxgenationing colon sounds good!! Before my cancer dx, when adrenals were very bad etc.. went thru a saliva testing process and a specific kinds of testing and having a Leaky GUT was a issue and for some reason, my food was not absorbing properly and had alot of enzymes to take and reroute the digestive system!!! I often now wonder if some of this stressed my system enough for my bc to really kick in?!
Vivre,, love asparagus!! My DH loves them as much and had a good amount last night!!!Good idea to add to the garden this year. Have to have the green beans in for sure as my GOLDEN loves them!!!
Apr 27, 2009 08:07PM , edited Apr 27, 2009 08:35PM by AccidentalTourist
Althea, I have Britta's glass jug and love it. Of course the water still has to pass through a plastic filter but I have not found a way to avoid that yet. At least once it passes through it, it does not sit in plastic. I try and avoid plastic as much as I can (but still draw the line at filtering, boiling and bottling water in glass bottles as recommended by J. Plant as that seems as too much effort).
Anomdenet, thank you for the info on kelp. I started taking it on recommendation from Jane Plant's book. The pills I bought are produced from kelp from shores of Northern Norway which is meant to be less polluted (I hope). I will look up iodoral once I finish the bottle.
Apr 27, 2009 09:10PM Lemons wrote:
Hi Amberyba... I'm one of your natural girls!!! IDC stage 2 grade 1 ER/PR + Her2 -... Had my lumpectomy last week with sintinal removed (that was fun)... Refusing rads, chemo, and hormone therapy. I am starting on Protocel next week and I am Very excited about it. You need to get a couple books: The breast stays put and Outsmart your cancer.... They both have websites that are very informative and uplifting. Let's keep in touch. Kim
Apr 27, 2009 11:00PM lucky12 wrote:
Althea I like the idea of the glass pitcher. I am checking into that tomorrow. Also did you work up to 50 mg. of iodine slowly? I was getting some headaches and just tonight I felt a little too revved up. I am breaking one 12.5 pill and taking half in the morning half at about 2 or 3 o'clock.
Lisa thanks for the wellness letter website, I need to read about phytoestrogens. Again like soy 5 years ago, some doctors said ok some said no. I am getting the same story about flax seed again. I eat about a tablespoon or less of sprouted flax with cranberries and goji on my steel cut oats every morning, can't forget the fruit du jour and golden walnuts too! Yum, can't wait for the morning!
Have a great evening everyone, and welcome lemons.
Apr 28, 2009 03:18AM althea wrote:
I worked up to 50mg of iodoral quickly. I took just one 12.5mg pill the first day, and then increased by one each day until I reached 5, which equals 50 mg. I think I might've had a twitchy eyelid for a day.
I was reading the iodine yahoo group just tonight where someone said flaxseed is goitrogenic. That's the first time I've ever heard that, and I've been eating it for breakfast nearly 2 years now. At the time, relief from fatigue was one of the many benefits listed for eating flaxseed (was reading Christiane Northrup's book on menopause at the time). I still suffer from fatigue, but I don't think it's from flaxseed interfereing with my iodine uptake.
Now that I think about it, I've been steering clear of juicing the cruciferous veggies for about a month now. No improvement in my fatigue and I miss the cruciferous veggies. Especially spinach. And collards and kale through the juicer were some of my favorite greens.
Apr 28, 2009 06:47AM Rose47 wrote:
Vivre ??? Your question answered - lol!
Why eating asparagus causes one's urine to have a strong, unique odor
Sulfur-containing amino acids in asparagus break down during digestion, creating an odor when urine is excreted. "It's the same sulfur group that makes skunks smell," said Barbara Hodges, a dietitian with Boston University's nutrition clinic, the Evans Nutrition Group (Hodges cited in Boston.com, 1994).
However, not everyone has the urine odor or perhaps not everyone can smell it. "There's something of a dispute," said Dr. David Stollar, chairman of biochemistry at Tufts University Medical School (Stollar cited in Boston.com, 1994). Some scientists think only half of the population can break down the sulfurous amino acids into their smellier components. Other scientists think that asparagus is digested the same by everyone, but that only half can smell the odor.
The unusual urine smell is nothing to worry about because "the syndrome does not have any pathological significance" (Dictionary of Medical Syndromes cited in boston.com, 1994).
Apr 28, 2009 08:27AM anondenet wrote:
Iodine and Breast Cancer
For breast patients, iodine's therapeutic mechanisms of action may be at least three-pronged: Hormonal (11), Biochemical (12-18), Genetic (19).
That is, iodine desensitizes the estrogen receptors, alters the chemical pathways
as well effects on the genes, resulting in less cell growth, and causing anti-tumor
effect by causing apoptosis (programmed cell death) of malignant cells.
Apr 28, 2009 08:30AM lisasayers wrote:
Lucky...sounds like we have similar breakfasts! LOL
Allie...I bought Waking The Warrior Goddess last September when I was diagnosed...it's on my desk and I use it as a guide! Be sure to check out Dr. Horner's website.... http://www.drchristinehorner.com/
You can read about the relationship between iodine deficiency and breast cancer here
Apr 28, 2009 11:07AM DonnaDio wrote:
Great info on iodine overvview. Does it still apply to those with triple negative cancer since tamoxifen or herceptin is not taken and does it matter if you had a bilateral mx,since there are no mamm. glands left? Had a medical counselor suggest to dab some iodine on my skin and see if it is absorbed withitn 12 hrs and if so, you need iodine. Thanks for the info!
Apr 28, 2009 11:13AM Springtime wrote:
ngcm05, I have the same question as you.
How do you all space out your vitamins and supplements? I know I need to take my calcium at different times, so I take a multi at breakfast, and then another calcium at lunch and one at dinnertime. I take other things sort of spread around these three times also, but I do take a lot of stuff in the AM.
Hey, ladies, those of you on Iordoral. Dr. Flechas said I needed to take mine with 2 ATP co-Factor pills. Do any of you also do the ATP Co-Factor? Dr. Flechas said "2 pills" but the ATP co-factor bottle says one pill with Iordoral. Just wondering what you all do? I need to email them to find out exactly how much Vit B2 and B3 they suggest...
Apr 28, 2009 11:21AM Calypso wrote:
OMG, what a great thread! I haven't been to these boards for months, but I'm glad I stopped in today and found you all. Some quick breathless questions: is the plastic in the Brita Pitcher considered safe? I have one. How much iodine should one supplement with? Is eating seaween enough, or is a supplement the way to go? Do you all take vitamin D3, and if so, how much?
Apr 28, 2009 11:44AM Springtime wrote:
Calypso, what is that in your avitar pic? I see hair, but of course, I am totally preocupied with hair these days! lol.
Apr 28, 2009 12:32PM AllieM22 wrote:
I was reading that healthy adults can take 150 micrograms a day and others with health issues (assume that is us) can take more but it doesn't say how much. It does say one and a half teaspoons of seaweed is 225 micrograms--so it looks like not much is needed?
Also--what brand of multi-vitamin are you all taking? The first ingredient in the one I have now is soybean oil....so I assume I need another kind.
One more thing--if anyone is on tamoxifen, are you limiting your vitamin D so as not to interact with it?
Thanks! Have a great day everyone! :)
Apr 28, 2009 12:52PM Calypso wrote:
Spring, I like to think my avatar pic is a goddess of spinning, at least that's why I picked it. She does have hair, I suppose, but who really needs it??
I will do the iodoral test pronto, as well. Don't suppose my regular doc would have the sense to test for it?
I am currently taking 12,000 IUs of D3, until I can get my levels up. Still only 35.1 6 weeks ago.
And I eat dried kelp root from Japan, my mother-in-law sends it to me, as its a big deal in Japan.
Not taking tamoxifen, much to my first onc's horror.
Apr 28, 2009 01:53PM EWB wrote:
If I remember correctly- the concern with plastics is the stuff they use to make then soft, bendy and pilable. The harder plastics are less of a concern. I will try to find the write up I read that in. Thinking Brita is ok, esp since water (at least in my house) doesn't stay in too long!
Apr 28, 2009 02:41PM lisasayers wrote:
We love quinoa.....eat it all the time!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 28, 2009 02:47PM Springtime wrote:
I like Quinao too, need to eat it more. Perfect protein with beans or alone, Marilee? do you know?
I take Tamox. and had not heard, AllieM, that it "interacts" w/Vitamin D. ONC did not mention this. Just said can't take certain class of anti-depresants, that I don't take anyway... Let me know where you heard this? (always something!! aaahhhck!!)