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Posted on: Dec 2, 2010 09:30AM

MariannaLaFrance wrote:

Hello all,

I bought some Curcumin supplements, which I have been taking nightly. My skin seems clearer, and I have not noticed anything else from it, but I've read great things about it.

I also bought Turmeric powder, which I've been adding to some of my recipes.  However, I'd like to know what difference is, or benefit of using Curcumin vs Turmeric. I know Curcumin is the active ingredient in Turmeric, but is there a supplement that is labeled Turmeric as opposed to Curcumin? Ideally, I'd like to stay as close to the natural source as possible, and I'll be moving in the direction of using this as a spice in my kitchen and ingesting it that way.

Thanks in advance.

Dx 1/26/2010, DCIS, <1cm, Stage 0, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 2, 2010 02:45PM dlb823 wrote:

Marianna, I don't know the entire answer to your question, but will comment re. what I do know in order to bump your thread.  I was in a natural foods market yesterday and noticed both curcumin and turmeric supplements on the shelf.  So, yes, you can buy either.  At least one of the curcumin offerings said something on its label like "the active component of turmeric." 

I'm also pretty sure that curcumin has been identified as the component in turmeric that kills some types of cancer cells.  Beyond that, I'm going to venture a guess that some of the non-cancer uses for turmeric, such as for inflammation and pain, may not be specifically linked just to the curcumin, but I don't know that for sure.  As with so many natural compounds, sometimes there are micronutrients that affect the way it works, so there's probably a benefit to getting at least some of your curcumin from turmeric.   

I use Paradise Essential Turmeric, and it says it's "Turmeric Root Extract,"  The label also says something about the process by which its made not isolating or fractionalizing its components, and also mentions the synergistic effect of taking it this way. ????

I've also read that you need black pepper to properly absorb curcumin, but don't know if this applies to both turmeric and curcumin, or just when it is or isn't extracted.  Maybe someone else can shed some light on this.    Deanna     

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Dec 3, 2010 11:55AM Yazmin wrote:

Indeed, I also know from attending the 2008 National Breast Cancer Coalition Fund Conference (Dr. Frenkel's presentation), that the cancer-fighting power of turmeric is activated by black pepper.

There are articles on Ann Fonfa's website as well on that issue (www.annieappleseedproject.org). Ann also attended that conference. 

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Dec 4, 2010 10:01AM , edited Dec 4, 2010 10:06AM by Rosemary44

A few years back, one of the research hospitals did a study on curcumin, the active ingredient in turmeric that is supposedly responsible for doing the good that it does.  The study was not on turmeric.  The outcome was positive for us.  Since then, I try to take curcumin daily.  Since they tested curcumin and not turmeric, on actual people, I've decided that curcumin was the better source.  Maybe they've done other studies on taking turmeric, I wouldn't know.

I would love to see them do both studies and see which wins.  And how much of either one that does win, would do the job.  I remember the hospital now, it was John Hopkins that did the research. 

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Dec 4, 2010 11:20PM Luna5 wrote:

I believe you also need oil...like EVOO...with the black pepper and curcumin.  I usually add the oil and pepper  and organic Tumeric to hummus.  Then while eating that, I take curcumin capsules.  I thought maybe the Tumeric would help with the curcumin absorption...but that is just me...I haven't read that anywhere.

Bi-Lat Mast, Hysty/Ooph, OncoType DX 0, No Tamox, No AIs,No Chemo, No Rads, We can all make informed choices without making the same choices. Dx 4/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 16, 2010 09:50PM EmilyInOntario wrote:

Dr. Oz mentioned Tumeric and black pepper today on his show for cancer. He also included garlic salt in his recipe for this spice mix. He didn't explain the garlic salt although garlic is supposed to help in cancer but oil wasn't mentioned. Does anyone else know why oil is needed?

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Dec 20, 2010 06:50PM amyK wrote:

Luna is right, turmeric needs to be dissolved in oil in order for the body to absorb it. Black pepper also helps multiply the positive effects.

amyK Dx 10/15/2010, IDC, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 2/21 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 20, 2010 07:02PM Enjoyful wrote:

Turmeric works wonderfully on burns as well.  If I burn myself in the kitchen, I run cool water over it, then dab on some turmeric. 

By the way, EVOO, turmeric, curry powder, black pepper, and salt mixed together make a wonderful dressing for whole grain pasta!

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Dec 20, 2010 07:05PM crazy4carrots wrote:

E-  Stay out of the kitchen!

Seriously, that dressing sounds very interesting.  Could I add my favourite flavour -- GARLIC?

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Dec 20, 2010 07:08PM Enjoyful wrote:

Hahaha - I probably should!  I used to cook primarily for self-defense but find myself doing it even when not threatened. 

Yes on the garlic!  I forgot to list that as an ingredient!

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Dec 20, 2010 07:13PM Omaz wrote:

How much curcumin is best?? Any special brand? Thx

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Dec 20, 2010 07:19PM Springtime wrote:

I have found I can't get curcumin in my diet regularly enough, so I have been taking Doctor's Purist supplements. (The website is agelesscures.com)

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Dec 20, 2010 07:28PM JanetinVirginia wrote:

Enjoyful - yum!  That dressing sounds great.  I get tired of tomato-based pasta sauces (esp on whole grain pasta).  It sounds like it would work hot or cold?

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Dec 20, 2010 07:29PM MaryNY wrote:

Another bc cancer patient that I met recently said she uses turmeric root to make "golden milk." So I went in search of dried turmeric root. I found what I thought was the right thing in a small Indian supermarket. However, when I peeled it, I found it was cream colored inside rather than the familiar orange color of turmeric. I grated some of it, which was hard work, and cooked it with a little water to form a paste. But the smell was offputting so I haven't used it. I'm guessing what I bought was "white turmeric."

Anyone else out there using the actual turmeric root?

Mary ~~ lumpectomy 8/10/2009, Oncotype DX 18, Chemo 10/28/09--2/1/10 AC*4, CMF*4 Dx 5/19/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 2/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jan 16, 2011 04:37PM Raili wrote:

New Chapter has a supplement called "Turmeric Force" - each capsule has a minimum 22mg curcuminoids.  It's a "supercritical full-spectrum turmeric extract."

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Jan 16, 2011 04:57PM pip57 wrote:

Here is a useful article about turmeric.  I take the turmeric/bromelain combination in capsule form twice a day.  I also use black pepper and ground turmeric almost every night just sprinkled on my food.  

I hadn't heard about using it with oil before now.  I will do some homework on that.

"Cancer. There is good evidence to suggest that turmeric helps prevent colon, breast, and lung cancers as well as melanomas (and you may recall from earlier chapters that I'm genetically targeted for colon cancer). In animal studies, for example, researchers have found that turmeric--or, more specifically, the curcumin it contains--may reduce the risk of colon cancer by 58 percent. One reason it's so powerful is that it interferes with at least four separate links in the cancer-causing chain.

For starters, curcumin appears to literally neutralize some cancer-causing substances. After that, it acts as an antimutagenic, meaning it stops very early changes in cells that can turn to cancer. At still later stages, curcumin appears to reduce the number and size of different types of tumors. Importantly, curcumin also possesses antimetastatic properties." 

"As useful as turmeric is for so many conditions, it's a little tricky to get enough of it where the body needs it most. This is because the body tends to metabolize turmeric quickly, meaning it uses it all up. Herbalists and pharmacologists have found a few ways around this.

Black pepper. One of the chemicals in ordinary black pepper, piperine, seems to improve the bioavailability of turmeric. In fact, researchers at St. John's Medical College in Bangalore, India, found that combining turmeric with black pepper may significantly increase the body's ability to use it.

The combination of black pepper and turmeric from your friendly spice rack is perfect for people who are on a budget--and these days, I'd say that's just about everyone. Go to an Indian grocery store and choose the yellowest variety of turmeric you can find. I think you can safely guess that the yellower it is, the more curcumin it contains. A one-pound bag should cost between $3 and $5, a lot cheaper than what you'll pay for brand-name versions of turmeric, which usually have a hefty price of $3 for just a few grams. While you're there, get an ounce of fresh black peppercorns. Grind the peppercorns into powder and mix it with the turmeric. You've just created a 10-month supply of anti-inflammatory medicine for around $5.

Take half a teaspoon of the mixture three times a day. Some people mix it in chicken or tomato soup. If your tastebuds can stand it, you can swirl the mixture in a glass of water and slug it down.

For external use, this mixture works great as a poultice on sore joints--if you don't mind that your skin will turn a little yellow. To make the poultice, mix a little of the blend with warm castor oil and soak a cloth in it. Wrap the cloth around the sore joint, then wrap that with plastic wrap. Leave the poultice in place for about 40 minutes.

Isoflavonoids. For preventing cancer, you can't do better than mixing turmeric with foods that contain large amounts of isoflavonoids, some of which have powerful anti-cancer effects. In fact, some breast cancer researchers believe a combination of curcumin and isoflavonoids might be the most potent inhibitor of human breast tumor cells. You can get a lot of isoflavonoids in dried beans and peas, soy, kudzu, and licorice. Curried lentil or bean soups top my list here.

Pineapple. This fragrant tropical fruit is rich in a compound called bromelain . Some experts believe that turmeric and bromelain mixed together have a singularly powerful effect. I recommend slicing or dicing a cup or two of pineapple and larding it liberally with ginger and tumeric. I would also add a little papaya because it tastes great with pineapple. You can eat the spiced fruit as often as you want, keeping in mind that the acids in pineapple can be hard on the mouth when you eat too much.

People who enjoy the convenience of supplements can get similar effects by taking both curcumin and bromelain in capsule form. The recommended dose is 250 milligrams of bromelain and 250 to 500 milligrams of curcumin taken three times a day between meals. This is probably effective, but I always recommend using whole foods whenever possible."

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Jan 16, 2011 06:45PM MariannaLaFrance wrote:

I'm cooking a chicken and vegetable soup (with orange, green, yellow and green veggies!), and I added a pinch of curcumin (turmeric) and ample amounts of fresh ground black pepper and some salt. We have been having this soup every Sunday evening. I also bought the Jarrow Fornulas Curcumin tablets, and I take one in the evening with my CoQ10 so my magnesium and other vitamins don't affect it.

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Jan 20, 2011 03:17PM susand wrote:

My oncologist reccomended that I take "Doctor's Best"  Best Curcumin C3 Complex 2 times a day.  It already has the pepper in it too which is  great.  He also wants me to take "NOW: EGCg 400mg 2X day. I got both products online. 

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Feb 16, 2011 09:46AM inspiewriter wrote:

Do any of you notice tingling of your tongue after taking Turmeric for awhile? I go on and off of it for this reason.

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Feb 16, 2011 09:50AM sweetbean wrote:

Susand,

 Did you take the curcumin during chemo and rads or was it after?

Thanks! 

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Feb 16, 2011 02:05PM MiracleMileM wrote:

Does anyone take Longvida, the UCLA developed more bioavailable version of curcumin?  I'm thinking of switching from curcumin plus piperine to Longvida. I currently take 2 grams of curcumin with 20 mgs of piperine and EVO.  I am also thinking of opening capsules into my scrambled egg before cooking. 

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Feb 16, 2011 08:58PM Luna5 wrote:

MiracleMile...You might want to research piperine....I think I read somewhere that you should not have more than 15 mg a day. 

Inspiewriter...I have never had the tingling.  Most days.... take a lot of tumeric.  I mix 1 or 2 heaping tsps organic tumeric in organic hummus with EVOO and Hemp Oil and lots and lots of black pepper.  I also usually throw in a 1/2 tsp of pink sea salt and 1 tsp of organic ceylon cinnamon from Sri Lanka.   With that I take 2 caps of Life Extension Super Bio Curcumin and 2 caps Jarrow 500 curcumin....no tingling.

Bi-Lat Mast, Hysty/Ooph, OncoType DX 0, No Tamox, No AIs,No Chemo, No Rads, We can all make informed choices without making the same choices. Dx 4/2009, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 2, 0/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-