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Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: Dec 2, 2008 06:08PM

Hindsfeet wrote:

I found this video fancinating. I would like to get your reactions. Watched it last night...I am not sure if it adds to my confusion or clears it up??????  

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/08/05/fungus-causing-cancer-a-novel-approach-to-the-most-common-form-of-death.aspx?source=nl

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 2, 2008 07:28PM - edited Dec 2, 2008 07:30PM by Hindsfeet

Found this...interesting...has anyone heard about this?

Cancer Fungus Fighter: Baking Soda


Baking Soda (Sodium Bicardonate) is a powerful anti-fungal and is often used in medical facilities to treat urinary tract (fungal) infections. 

In 1983, an Italian oncologist (Dr. Tullio Simoncini) frustrated with traditional cancer treatments, began treating his cancer patients with sodium bicarbonate.  He found that when the sodium bicarbonate (5% solution) was washed over the tumor sites, within weeks the tumors would disappear.  They could take it orally for intestinal cancers from the throat to the stomach, to the colon, yet a catheter was needed to flush the tumor sites in other parts of the body.

Listen to this video at http://www.know-the-cause.com/

In the mid 1970's, a healer in the USA (Jim Kelmun) began treating terminally ill cancer patients with sodium bicardonate combined (heated) with maple syrup.  He claims 15 years later that 185 of these patients are still alive.  Fungus and cancer cells love glucose, so they would be lured to eat the glucose (maple syrup) mix, yet be eating deadly anti-fungal sodium bicarbonate at the same time.

Click here to read orignial article.

Jim Kelmun's Protocol - Mix one part baking soda with three parts (pure, 100%) maple syrup in a small saucepan.  Stir Briskly. Heat the mixture for 5 minutes. 

Take 1 teaspoon twice daily.  Do NOT refrigerate this mixture. Keep it at room temperature, in a dark area, and use it until it starts to separate in two or three days, then make another batch.

Very Important Note: Do not use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it, such as Arm and Hammer. Buy a product, which specifically states it does not include aluminum or other chemicals. This will probably have to be purchased at a health food store or online (e.g. Bob's Red Mill, Aluminimum-Free, Baking Soda).

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 2, 2008 08:29PM juliebb wrote:

Yes I read about Tullio Simoncini MD, form Bill henderson. He's on youtube too. These other treatments barry posted are new to me and very interesting. Glad I checked in tonight. Good job!

Mother Dx right breast 5/15/96, recurrence left breast 10/05 mets to mediastinal nodes, late Dx mets to lung and as of 3/09 to brain. ER-/PR+ and weak HER.
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Dec 15, 2008 12:08PM mysoulmate wrote:

Dear Barry.

This is very interesting. I remember my grand mother using maple syrups and baking soda as sort of "cure-all" medicine long back. hmmmm.. Do you mind explaining further about "one part mising with three parts" instruction? I don't quite understand that.

Thank you very much.

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Dec 15, 2008 12:22PM lvtwoqlt wrote:

Mysoulmate, the 1 part mixing with 3 parts is like taking 1 Tbs baking soda and mixing it with 3 Tbls maple syrup. Just keep the 1 to 3 ratio in proportions.

Women are like tea bags, we don't know how strong we are until we were thrown into hot water. Eleanore Roosevelt Diagnosed ADH Feb 2005, ADH Sept 2006 Surgery 2/11/2005 Lumpectomy: Left Surgery 9/9/2006 Lumpectomy: Right Hormonal Therapy 10/11/2006 Dx 4/27/2007, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 1, 0/7 nodes Surgery 5/31/2007 Mastectomy: Left, Right
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Dec 15, 2008 08:06PM mysoulmate wrote:

I've done lots of reading on this since I saw barry's post. It's indeed very interesting and possibly an option I'd like to give a shot. However, all the materials I read were pretty much carbon copies of this "country doctor" named Jim and an Italian oncologist and not much more and newer information. This is interesting, too. Can anyone shed some lights on this? Any of you have tried this? Thank you for comments in advance.

Desperately seeking...

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Dec 16, 2008 03:02PM LJ13 wrote:

Baking soda is great for cleaning your teeth, scrubbing sinks, baking muffins, and I even use if for bee stings. But suggesting it's a cancer cure ... nope. No evidence of it.

Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Dec 16, 2008 05:01PM althea wrote:

I got a window requiring me to divulge my email address before I could access the video.  I'm pretty stingy with my email address these days, so I didn't view the link you provided.  The whole topic of the maple syrup/baking soda cure was discussed here months ago.  Someone added a response yesterday, so it's just down the list a few topics. 

barry, if I were in your shoes, I'd probably give it a whirl.  There can't be any downside.  The materials are readily available.  Heck, it sounds like it even tastes good.  If it works, you'll save yourself a world of unpleasant procedures and downtime, and if it doesn't, well, at least you gave it a try.  As I mentioned in the other thread, I perceive the entire pool of information as tainted.  Whether you're an advocate of alternative approaches, or mainstream, or inbetween, we are all subject to a system that values money more than truth.  In the article, there's a claim that 185 people survived their cancer lived another 15 years and more.  Others say it doesn't count as evidence.  Some say sugar is sugar is sugar and you might as well use refined white sugar in place of the maple syrup.  I think it sounds like propaganda from the corn syrup industry.   I just don't see how refined white sugar could be interchangeable with unrefined syrup from a tree.  

Listen with a questioning ear. quote from George Ohsawa, founder of macrobiotics Dx 12/22/2004, ILC, 5cm, Stage II, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 20, 2008 10:50AM - edited Dec 21, 2008 01:59AM by Hindsfeet

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Dec 20, 2008 09:46PM konakat wrote:

Barry -- I've read many of your posts and I can't decide if you are genuine or just trying to shock people -- injecting baking soda and water into your tumor???  I certainly hope you are an eccentric person with a wild joie de vivre and not just amusing yourself at our expense. 

Elizabeth's Mantra: When in doubt, eat cake. When you haven't a clue, add ice cream. Elizabeth's Mets: Liver, bones, brain (yuck), and lungs (more yuck). Dx 5/2007, ILC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 13/19 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 21, 2008 01:26AM - edited Dec 21, 2008 02:06AM by Hindsfeet

Konakat I don't know if you looked at this video or not..if you did you would know why

I would try anything before traditonal treatment. I am opting for surgery, but if my dx was more than dcis I would search out the doctor on the video.  B

Dx 6/13/2014, IDC, 1cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 21, 2008 11:14AM konakat wrote:

Thank-you for your message Barry.  I'm so sorry you're going through this disease, and happy that you are an interesting and inquisitive person.  My apologies if I caused offense -- It's one of those days and I am sorry being witchy.  I wish you all the best.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth's Mantra: When in doubt, eat cake. When you haven't a clue, add ice cream. Elizabeth's Mets: Liver, bones, brain (yuck), and lungs (more yuck). Dx 5/2007, ILC, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 13/19 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 21, 2008 01:23PM FloridaLady wrote:

I had someone send me info from the San Antonino conference where they are now looking at immune disorders and cancer.  They are looking at people with know disorders and possible disorders they can not diagnose yet.  Example: Lupus, Abstain bar(sp).  The thought is we may all have on one this disorders and they should be treating this not the cancer. Dah!  A lot of bc ladies do show up with immune disorders after treatment so they are now going backwards.

I'm sure this is ten or so years out.

Flalady

trip neg stageIV spread to IBC (2X) & 7 recur's, Treat Alt & Conv
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Dec 21, 2008 02:57PM crazy4carrots wrote:

Flalady, I think you mean autoimmune disorders, e.g. rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, lupus, diabetes, multiple sclerosis -- and some 100 others.

Both autoimmune disorders and cancers are diseases caused by a malfunctioning immune system.  I know several researchers whose work in autoimmunity carries over into their colleagues' cancer research, and vice versa.  Thankfully, they share their info!

Certain politicians and all diapers should be changed often -- and for the same reason. Dx 1/10/2008, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Dec 21, 2008 03:23PM jerseymaria wrote:

this is something i've wondered about many times.  i was dx with autoimmune disease in 91, although i'm convinced i've had all my life...asthma at age 2, hashimotos at age 21 etc.

i wasn't dx with bc until 06 since i've been treated for bc my lupus seems to be in complete remission although my diagnostic numbers never change.  i do know that some of the cancer drugs are given to patients with severe lupus.  it was even offered to me at one time and i declined...wondering now if that was a smart thing...perhaps bc wouldn't have happened?

Dx 2/27/2006, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 9/25 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Dec 21, 2008 03:26PM juliebb wrote:

jerseymaria,

Were you around a lot of chemicals growing up? Second hand smoke or wood smoke? 

Julie 

Mother Dx right breast 5/15/96, recurrence left breast 10/05 mets to mediastinal nodes, late Dx mets to lung and as of 3/09 to brain. ER-/PR+ and weak HER.
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Dec 21, 2008 04:10PM jerseymaria wrote:

no actually i had no exposure like that.  lived in somerset county, nj for 25 years and do remember reading years before i was dx with autoimmune disease, that somerset county had the highest rate of lupus in the country.  that article for some reason caught my eye and sure enough i did come down with it years later while still living in the same house.  it was new construction, built on a former farm with lots of green acres behind us...very rural area when we first moved in.  go figure.  as i said earlier i think i was born with it.  maria

Dx 2/27/2006, 3cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 9/25 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Dec 21, 2008 05:38PM juliebb wrote:

Maria,

This makes me very curious. > "Somerset County had the highest rate of Lupus in the country." Wonder what they attribute it to. Your home was new construction. Wonder if there was any treatment like a toxic pesticide near the housing or some chemical like formaldehyde in the new building  material. What do you think? We need Erin Brockovich!

Mother Dx right breast 5/15/96, recurrence left breast 10/05 mets to mediastinal nodes, late Dx mets to lung and as of 3/09 to brain. ER-/PR+ and weak HER.
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Dec 21, 2008 05:54PM - edited Dec 21, 2008 05:57PM by juliebb

Maria,

 http://www.townsendletter.com/Nov2008/healthrisk1108.htm

This article talks about toxic exposures and Lupus. I know Dioxin is one specific carcinogen that contributes to breast cancer development. Dioxin is in tobacco smoke and even more in wood smoke. EPA certified wood stoves produce more dioxin than the older wood stove. I know there are many other sources of dioxin exposure, plastic wrap is another source. I am thinking out loud here.

Mother Dx right breast 5/15/96, recurrence left breast 10/05 mets to mediastinal nodes, late Dx mets to lung and as of 3/09 to brain. ER-/PR+ and weak HER.
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Jan 4, 2009 07:45PM epete wrote:

Well that gives me a great idea to use under my poor blstered armpit from lymphodema. I'm already using hydrogen peroxide jelly.  I thik I'l use baking soda instead of cornstarch as antiperspirant. Will keep you posted.

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Jan 4, 2009 07:53PM epete wrote:

I'm a little late getting in on this discussion but wanted to add - the whole principle behind IPT treatments (low-dose chemo) is that cancer loves sugar. Insulin Potentiation Therapy gets your body and cancer cells screaming for sugar and then they drop the chemos - at about one-tenth the strength. I did IPT every week for about a year - we feel it may have helped contain my inflammatory breast cancer, but I didn't see real results until I started hyperthermia and low-dose radiation down in LA.

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Jan 5, 2009 02:45PM waterlady wrote:

Please check out this link, BEFORE trying the maple syrup and Baking Soda.  I did try it, and it made me feel sick.  The doctor who injects it into the tumor is successful and curing cancer, but it is not a good idea to take it orally.

http://cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Kelmun.html 

Best wishes

Fern

We must be the change we wish to see in the world. Dx 3/17/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 22/28 nodes, mets, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Radiation Therapy Brain
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Feb 16, 2009 07:20PM bruce3 wrote:

All of this is true about sugar,but since most don't really get enough excercise the effects of sugar is magnified.

I spoke to Jack LaLane holder of some 75 world records unbeaten as yet,and he says that excercise is King and nutrition is Queen.We have some 600 muscles the Lord gave us.Kind of a hint!!!

Dr.Simoncini says that many tumors are in hard to reach places and need to be directly infused with sodium bicarbonate.He has had some success with brain tumors after he was able to infuse the tumor/s directly.

One must take potassium/magnesium and calcium as these minerals are 'used up' in the therapy.

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Feb 28, 2009 08:13AM Byron wrote:

 The Calcium is easy isn't it?

Tums.

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Feb 28, 2009 08:29AM Byron wrote:

Bruce3,

You wrote:

"I spoke to Jack LaLane holder of some 75 world records unbeaten as yet,and he says that exercise is King and nutrition is Queen...."

Some people who are ill, and who would probably be more healthy with exercise, have sore feet (caused by a lack of good health) and are not able to exercise due to the sore feet.  Can Baking Soda and Maple Syrup help to fix their dried-out and sore feet (especially under the heels of their feet)?

Byron

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Mar 2, 2009 08:58AM ccbaby wrote:

The homeopathic lady I go to suggests drinking water mixed with a teaspoon of baking soda or buying her baking soda tablets to get your PH level at the right level to help combat cancer and to help a list of many other things.

~Christy~ left side mastectomy/TE February 2009 Finished TC July 2009 Rads finished Oct 2009 Stage 1 lymphedema Removed failed TE, HIP flap surgery Dec 2009 Finished Herceptin March 2010 Second stage March 2010 Third stage revisions Oct 2011 Dx 1/29/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 1/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Mar 2, 2009 10:13AM LJ13 wrote:

There is no way to alter your pH through diet.

Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Mar 2, 2009 12:51PM Byron wrote:

 ccbaby,

 I have tried this too.  The problem with it is that too much sodium can cause dehydration problems (plus baking soda tastes so bad). Have you asked your homeopathic lady about Tums? (calcium carbonate)?  They are cheap and are much better tasting (and must be good for problems with osteoporosis) than baking soda (and alkalizing in the stomach).

 Byron

 LJ13,

I have heard before that there is no way to alter the body's pH.  Are you suggesting that the digestive tract and the urinary tract cannot be altered or just the blood pH cannot be altered?

 Byron

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Mar 2, 2009 08:40PM ccbaby wrote:

Byron,

I  will see her on Wednesday and ask her about it, thanks.

~Christy~ left side mastectomy/TE February 2009 Finished TC July 2009 Rads finished Oct 2009 Stage 1 lymphedema Removed failed TE, HIP flap surgery Dec 2009 Finished Herceptin March 2010 Second stage March 2010 Third stage revisions Oct 2011 Dx 1/29/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 1/13 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Mar 3, 2009 09:22AM LJ13 wrote:

Byron, from what I have read you can alter the digestive tract and UT slightly by diet. This is one of the mechanisms believed to be in effect with cranberry juice. It is less of a factor that an actual compound within the cranberry itself.

Blood, or systemic pH typically cannot be changed by simple diet changes in the absence of disease. When the pH goes acidic (such as diabetic acidosis, or changes caused by severe liver disease), it needs to be treated or it can lead to organ damage and ultimately death.

Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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Mar 3, 2009 11:09AM Byron wrote:

LJ13,

What you say, as I understand it, is correct.

I have tested my own saliva and urine with litmus paper (many times) and they change, sometimes a little, sometimes a lot.

Also, as I understand it, blood pH (which remains slightly alkaline at about pH 7.2), when under severe stress such as you indicate when ill, may also become acidic but this is not usually the case.

In the event the blood (circulatory system) or other system(s) become acidic, it is important to become aware of it because there are sometimes ways to deal with this.

One of the best ways to deal with raised levels of acid is through regular exercise.  With diabetes, for example, the person's feet may be a problem (they may be sore and exercise may cause them to be even worse) so even walking must be restricted.  There are ways, however, to deal with the problem feet for some of these people.  If you wish I will give you what little I know concerning how to best deal with this catch 22.

Byron

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