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Posted on: Aug 11, 2011 08:44AM - edited Aug 12, 2011 12:56PM by Chrys23
Morning -- I was wondering if there are any nutritional supplement drinks WITHOUT soy in them?? I just started chemo yesterday and in the event I'm not hungry down the line; I would usually take ENSURE but it has freakin' soy in it!!
Matter of fact; everything that's out there has either Soybean oil or Soy lecithin in it. Are there some products that I can drink that won't be bothersome for those that are ER+ like myself?
What can I drink or eat snackwise? LOL
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Aug 11, 2011 10:26PM - edited Aug 11, 2011 10:26PM by peggy_j
You might want to ask your MO or nutritionist about soy lecithin. The Stanford nutrition said it is commonly used in very tiny quanities (such as in my Whey Protein powder that I wanted to use in my smoothies) and she said at that quantity, it wasn't anything to worry about. Soy protein powder, of course, is a major no-no. FWIW, I've been surprised that soybean oil is used in so many things, like the primary ingredient in many "natural" bottled salad dressings, so I know it does get sneaked into many things.
Aug 12, 2011 08:51AM LuvRVing wrote:
What about making smoothies with Greek yogurt as a base? Then you can control the add-in ingredients.
Chobani doesn't have any soy.
Aug 12, 2011 09:12AM Megadotz wrote:
FWIW, I'm 100% RE+ and PR+ -- my MO had no problem with my taking Ensure or Boost during treatment.
She's also said it's OK to eat soy products, just not concentrated soy extracts.
It's worth checking with your MO on this.
I hope the chemo journey is uneventful for you.
Meg (6x TAC)
Aug 12, 2011 10:24AM Melizzard wrote:
One word: Orgain. It's the healthy, organic alternative to Ensure and Boost and no soy. The protein is whey. It kept me alive when I couldn't eat. Comes in chocolate and vanilla. Don't much like the vanilla, but the chocolate rocks. Has whole grains, fruits, veggies, omega3s, and protein. Check it out. We LOVE it in my household! :)
Aug 12, 2011 11:17AM peggy_j wrote:
If you're making your own smoothies and looking for a protein boost, I've seen brown rice protein and hemp protein powders. These may have tiny amounts of soy lecithin.
FWIW, I've tried some raw "power bars" and they rarely have soy. (my speculation is that they are trying to appeal to the widest possible audience). Usually their protein source is brown rice protein powder. Found then at Whole Foods.
Aug 12, 2011 12:58PM Chrys23 wrote:
Thanks everyone! I appreciate the comments. I'll have to check out "Orgain" -- not sure where I can find it, but will be on the look out for it!!
Aug 12, 2011 11:38PM 4minniemousegirl wrote:
hello friends, I recently had a biopsy and results were b9 thankfully. I have recently started researching soy and its effects on estrogen levels/breast cancer risk. I've read that a little soy is okay pre-menapause...what do you all advise? I've switched to organic makeup and skin care..reading labels a lot more now. I've read that soy and flax seed are the foods to avoid? true? any comments would be appreciated. I'm 41 and this recent "scare" has driven me to be more conscientious w/what I put on and in my body especially anything that can impact estrogen levels! I also have two young daughters and I want to be careful w/them too. help!
Aug 14, 2011 11:19AM Melizzard wrote:
Re: Orgain ... I get mine at Whole Foods, but they order it for us. If you have a local health food store, then see if they can order it for you. Also, I'm sure you can get it online, and I would bet you could find it with free shipping. :)
Aug 14, 2011 05:03PM Chrys23 wrote:
Melizzard -- thanks! I have a Whole Foods down the street! My only question is, when looking at the ingrediants, there is some soy lechithin in the Orgain. I don't know if that is a problem or not...so hard to know what is the best approach.
Sunflowers -- thank you for the book recommendation; much appreciated!
Aug 14, 2011 05:51PM althea wrote:
I can second melizzard's recommendation for orgain. My mom has lost some weight since last year. Her doctor gave her a prescription and recommended two cal supplements. I didn't fill the scrip and instead of the two cal, I got her to try orgain. She likes it. yea! I like it too. She gained 3 pounds in june and is now a whopping 103.
For anyone wavering on soy, here's a good article that gives lots of reasons to avoid it:
I've also become aware of a book that's high on my 'to read' list, The Whole Soy Story by Dr Kaayla Daniels. I've long been frustrated by claims about soy to be fudgy -- sprinkled with words like 'may', 'might' 'could be'. After just a brief bit of learning about Dr Daniels and her work, she seems to be the one to lift the veil on all that ambiguous language.
Aug 14, 2011 11:48PM GmaFoley wrote:
I use Almond Breeze for my smoothies with fruit..Some of the almond milks have soy but Almond Breeze doesn't - I use the vanilla unsweetened and add my own sweetener.
Aug 17, 2011 08:09PM peggy_j wrote:
I picked up some chocolate orgain (thanks for the tip) but haven't tried it yet. As an FYI, the list of ingredients shows soy lecithin at the bottom (so a small amount). I'm still taking my nutritionist's advice that small amounts of soy lecithin are fine, but FYI.
On a tangent, I've been reading labels more closely now and was surprised to see that my organic mayo is primarily soy oil. yikes. At whole foods I found one that did not contain soy oil but sneaked in that soy protein isolate--the more concentrated kind, I believe. Hard to stay on top of everything.
Aug 17, 2011 08:10PM - edited Aug 17, 2011 08:11PM by peggy_j
Re: Odwalla--did you see they are now using plant-based materials for their bottles, instead of plastic? Cool, huh? I just wish they'd use organic ingredients, esp. for fruits on the dirty-dozen list, like apples/apple juice.
Aug 17, 2011 08:24PM Melizzard wrote:
Peggy, I use Vegannaise. They make one with canola oil and they make one with grapeseed oil. I typically use the grapeseed one, but they're both Omega 6s, so I would guess one's no better than the other. Just had heard (can't remember where or even what I heard) bad things about canola, but I'm SURE it's better than soy oil! LOL
Aug 17, 2011 08:40PM peggy_j wrote:Melizzard, thanks for the tip. I ended up buying one with canola oil (and no soy protein!) but I wished it was organic (isn't there some problem with GMOs in non-organic canola? I can't keep track of all this stuff). Thanks for the tip. Next time I'll get the grapeseed oil kind. I don't even use mayo that much; I can't believe how much work it is to sift through all this stuff.
Aug 17, 2011 09:40PM BobbiMarie wrote:
I started seeing a Chinese Acupuncturist and Herbal Medicine person. She explained - and I have researched it as much as I can to validate what she is saying - that soy ...natural soy ....has been shown in studies as having an estrogen that blocks the bodies estrogen....a good thing. I can't tell if the studies are final or not but there appears to be evidence to that effect. She also explained that things like edamame and tofu are good. Soy burgers, powders, etc are concentrated Soy....not natural for the body to process and are bad bad bad. Soy lecithin is in just about everything and is a binder....not to be concerned about. Dairy and sugar are also bad bad bad. Soy milk is good but I don't care for it. I bought almond milk - haven't tried it yet - and there is also coconut milk. She also sent me to dates for my sweet tooth. Amazing the food nutrients that are in those things.
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