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Topic: Bioidentical hormones..is anyone taking after breast cancer?

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Posted on: Jan 4, 2012 07:47AM

ccjj wrote:

I have 4 tx left of my weekly taxol. Prior to that I did 4 DD AC.  Now that I am getting close to the end of my treatments, I have started to research diet, supplements, etc to hopefully help avoid recurrence.  I have been reading Suzanne Somers, the Anticancer book, and some others. Overall, its been somewhat depressing as the books basically state chemo doesn't work and I wasted my time doing it plus compromised my immune system in the process. Being Her2+ , cant say I regret my chemo decision and nothing I can do about that now anyway, but I feel having balanced hormones is interesting and makes some sense. The theory being that hormones only cause cancer when they are out of balance and they do a lot of good for overall health and actually reduce cancer recurrence if balanced. As long as they are natural and not the synthetic kind. However, I am triple positive and dont think this is something to mess around with.  My Onc wants me on tamox once chemo is done.  I haven't had the hormone talk with her yet, but I'm not guessing she will be supportive.  Any thoughts... has anyone else researched? 

Dx 7/7/2011, ILC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 1/9 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Aug 7, 2014 06:46PM RaiderGirl wrote:

I dont accept that menopause is natural.  Death is natural too  but we do everything to avoid it.

 Hormones are a natural part of us that we start to produce at puberty. We feel  best at the times of our lives when our hormones were optimal. Thats why women get itchy, bitchy and tired and tired during menopause. Menopause is when bones thin, hair thins, skin sags, cardiovascular systems slows, and mental alertness go to heck. Women deal with it and adjust because it happens gradually but if you could live just one day at optimal hormones again you would relive how lovely it all was.

Now not only am I menopausal, I also have to take Femara so whatever tiny amount of naturally occuring estrogen my poor adrenals were trying to make are now suppressed.

I hate this f****** BC. It has robbed me of alot.

There I'm done. I feel better now. If youre still reading.....thank you.Happy

BC is an ugly , painful, scary disease and it can't be made better by wearing a cute little pink T-shirt. When I see a sea of pink in a BC walk I get even madder. Look how many have been hurt by BC and still no closer to a cure than a decade ago. Dx 6/26/2014, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 8/26/2014 3DCRT: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 12/7/2014 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Aug 7, 2014 07:00PM RaiderGirl wrote:

Bio-identical hormones are really just hormones.  Most are derrived from plants.  In any event the bio-identical part has more to do with the pharmacy mixing the dose based on your levels. . These are called compounding pharmacies.

Bio-identicals are still hormones . Hormone receptor positive BC will feed on bio-identical hormones,  conventional hormones, phytoestrogens ( from plants like soy) and our own naturally occuring hormones from ovaries, adrenal glands, and edipose tissue ( body fat).

I hate it that I have to suppress the little hormone I have left . But life is good.

BC is an ugly , painful, scary disease and it can't be made better by wearing a cute little pink T-shirt. When I see a sea of pink in a BC walk I get even madder. Look how many have been hurt by BC and still no closer to a cure than a decade ago. Dx 6/26/2014, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Radiation Therapy 8/26/2014 3DCRT: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 12/7/2014 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Aug 7, 2014 10:56PM Momine wrote:

I am not itchy, bitchy and tired. Just saying. I think how you react to menopause varies a great deal. For me there is definitely a downside to having no estrogen (ooph+femara), but also an upside. I love not being all puffy/chubby anymore. I LOVE not having PMS anymore. In general I feel stronger and more at ease. There was an adjustment period that wasn't so fun, but at this point I feel very well.

Dx 6/1/2011, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 7/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 6/20/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 9/13/2011 Mastectomy: Left, Right Radiation Therapy 1/9/2012 Surgery 3/8/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2012 Femara (letrozole)
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Aug 8, 2014 12:26AM Momine wrote:

I found this info sheet about bioidentical hormones, and thought it was quite useful:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/myths-and-truths-about-bioidentical-hormones

Dx 6/1/2011, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIB, Grade 2, 7/23 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Chemotherapy 6/20/2011 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Surgery 9/13/2011 Mastectomy: Left, Right Radiation Therapy 1/9/2012 Surgery 3/8/2012 Prophylactic ovary removal Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2012 Femara (letrozole)
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Aug 11, 2014 05:54AM Kaara wrote:

Momine:  Interesting article.  Thanks for sharing.  I too have adjusted to the lack of hormones in my body and it's not as bad as I once thought.  Pure virgin coconut oil helps with any dryness that I have, so once I found that I was good to go.

Kaara Dx 11/14/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Sep 1, 2014 11:00AM mortmain wrote:

Interesting topic. I'm recent to the research, and have questions inspired by both vanity and dread of SE for the interest. 

During and post-menopause I was on the lightest possible dose of Prempro, and I only took that every other day. I took so little that I was quit cold-turkey when I was diagnosed w/ E+/P+ a few months back. I was really surprised to experience hot flashes I hadn't had in years, and a week or so of bad joint pain that made it tough to move. Before my consult with the MO, I thought just quitting the HRT would eliminate the need for Hormone Inhibiting therapy.

Would the strong reaction to quitting the Prempro mean I supply a strong amount of estrogen naturally and that this is the reason for prescribing Tamoxifen (or whatever)? I have always had 'dense' breasts. If not, perhaps I do not need Tamoxifen?

I'm worried about the prospect of joint pain, depression, rapid aging, etc. etc. Confused,

Amy

Dx 6/16/2014, IDC, <1cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/16/2014 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Radiation Therapy 8/19/2014 Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 6/15/2016 Femara (letrozole)
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Sep 1, 2014 12:15PM dlb823 wrote:

Amy, I think it will take awhile for your system to level out again after quitting Prempro, and the hot flashes and joint pain are normally a sign of too little estrogen -- in other words, the estrogen that was removed when you quit the Prempro.

Personally, I had a tough time with Femara (one of 3 aromatese inhibitors that are RX'd for post menopausal women).  In retrospect, I believe it was b'cuz I had also quit Prempro cold turkey when first dx'd, so an estrogen blocker or modulator was like a double whammy to my system.  At that time (several months after quitting Prempro), my normal estrogen level was "non detectable."  But several years later, my estrogen level had returned to 16 -- probably higher than desireable.  My point is, your body will need some time to adjust to making estrogen again since you've had to stop taking Prempro.     

As far as the SEs of Tamoxifen or an A/I, there's kind of a wide range of reactions.  I'm now on another A/I (Anastrozole) with no noticeable SEs, except that my skin seems more dry.  So my best advice is to consider trying whatever onc thinks you need it, even if you initially try it the same way you did Prempro -- every other day.  You can always quit if the SEs are too much for you.         (((Hugs)))  Deanna

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Oct 17, 2014 05:04PM NineTwelve wrote:

I used progesterone cream for two years, and I'm worried that it contributed to my cancer metastases. My cancer is ER and PR positive. If I could do it over, I wouldn't have gone there.

Right thoughts, right words, right action! - Franz Ferdinand Dx 9/12/2014, IDC, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2014 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 9/30/2014 Dx 7/2016, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs Hormonal Therapy 8/15/2016 Faslodex (fulvestrant), Zoladex (goserelin) Targeted Therapy 8/15/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Oct 17, 2014 05:46PM Quaatsi wrote:

Did you use Progesterone without balancing the other hormones?  or did you take estrogen and even testosterone too?  low dose?  high?  unbalanced or balanced?  That would be my question.

Blaming yourself-- don't ... love yourself instead. You are worthy.  Q

May you LIVE all the days of your life. Dx 9/21/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 4/30 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Chemotherapy 11/9/2011 Navelbine (vinorelbine), Taxol (paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy 11/9/2011 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Hormonal Therapy 5/7/2012 Dx 2/2015, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs, Grade 3, 11/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Dx 3/2015, IDC, Both breasts, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 4/30 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ Radiation Therapy 3/23/2015 External: Bone Chemotherapy 4/15/2015 Other Targeted Therapy 4/15/2015 Herceptin (trastuzumab)
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Oct 18, 2014 07:56AM NineTwelve wrote:

You are kind, Quaatsi. I followed Dr. John Lee's recommendations to use a natural progesterone cream twice a day. I am trying not to blame myself for all the drinking, smoking, and all the other unhealthy things I put myself through. The truth is, even people who do everything right still get cancer sometimes.

Right thoughts, right words, right action! - Franz Ferdinand Dx 9/12/2014, IDC, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2014 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 9/30/2014 Dx 7/2016, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs Hormonal Therapy 8/15/2016 Faslodex (fulvestrant), Zoladex (goserelin) Targeted Therapy 8/15/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Oct 19, 2014 10:10AM LissaSue22 wrote:

For every article ridiculing Bio identical hormone treatments there are others praising it. It is very hard to know which camp has it right. All I DO know for a fact is that I have both a sister and a sister in law who have been using Bio identicals for years and both say that it changed their lives. My sister in law was THE moodiest person ever. You never knew who you were going to be talking to...the crazy one who would bite your head off for no reason, or the super happy one. She was introduced to a fancy Beverly Hills doctor many years ago...I'm thinking it's been about twelve...his name is Dr. Uzzi Reiss (spelling my be wrong). He fully tested her hormones and prescribed what she needed. She would now NEVER give up her hormones. Ever.  And I for one am thankful because she's a much nicer person to be around. :) 

I, myself, have recently decided to see an alternative dr regarding my menopausal issues. She, too, is a proponent of bio identicals. She knows I have BC...or had. She is not against giving me a safe version of estrogen...the protective of the 3 forms...but will not give me the more aggressive form. But until my blood tests are in I don't know what I truly need, what her plan of action will be, and if I'll be willing to follow it. Her belief is that I got cancer because my immune system is compromised, and that getting the toxins out of my life and getting my immunity top notch, is more important than my libido...or complete and utter lack thereof. Her focus is whole body health and I like that approach very much. 

I was very fortunate in that my breast cancer was found very early. I've had a very easy time of it. Mastectomy went perfectly, TE fills were easy and uneventful, exchange surgery this past Tuesday went perfectly. No chemo or tamoxifen needed. I feel blessed. But they also just found a precancerous skin cancer on my arm...my body is betraying me. I feel like I need to be proactive at this time of my life and my regular doctors are not about prevention. In fact I saw my regular gyn before seeing the alternative doctor and asked her if she would run a full hormone panel for me. She embarrassingly said that she's not sure what that would include but would order what she knew to order. Sad that a gyn only knows to order plain estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, and TSH. And though I have tried, my doctors refuse to check my vitamin & mineral levels. Really?? So, until medical doctors step out of their big pharma foggy thinking, it's imperative that we take our health into our own hands. We are all going to die at some point, that's a given, but to me quality of life is far more important than quantity. If I decide to take a protective estrogen and it ends up killing me later, but I have a wonderful life full of energy and vitality instead of pain and a miserable marriage because sex sounds like pure torture, it'll be worth it I think. We all have to choose what is best for us. We get one life to live, and I want to actually live mine to its fullest. :)

Dx 2/2014, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 2, ER+/PR- Surgery 3/6/2014 Lumpectomy: Left Surgery 3/21/2014 Lumpectomy: Left Surgery 6/12/2014 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 10/14/2014 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right)
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Oct 22, 2014 06:14AM Chris_G wrote:


LissaSue, I am much older than you (66) and sympathize totally. I have an integrative doc also and he is supporting me in a similar manner as you describe your doc here. I am taking bioidentical sublingual progesterone (skipping the liver). Most integrative docs will suggest the creams or the sublinguals as the oral will involve the liver where the estrogens can be metabolized into too much estrone or harmful estrogens (I take it you're using estriol only?..that might work the same). I HAVE to have it since my adrenals are too weak to take up the slack and produce necessary hormones (you do need at least some... especially for the immune system). I do not sleep without it...at all. The Lef.org site has a suggested list of supplements (included here at the bottom of this post) that can assist the body in metabolizing the estrogens into their least harmful forms: (DIM and iodine are the most necessary..calcium d gluconate also) Eat organic, purified water, no sugars or refined foods, keep to the lighter proteins (white meats/fish/eggs) and many fresh vegetables/fruits.

I also have a PA (that works with my allopathic gynecologist) that is versed in saliva testing... a much more productive and in depth testing for hormones. She feels in her experience that the results are much more consistent with symptoms. If you don't have a supportive doc, I would suggest these (ZRT Labs) ..or...have them done yourself through canaryclub.org. I agree with you, quality of life comes first. We all have to find our own way on this journey. Sometimes I feel our theme song should be: "I did it my way".

http://www.lef.org/protocols/cancer/breast_cancer_les.htm

One more suggestion: have the MTHFR test done (its affordable: $56). It tests your methylation 'style' ...you may need extra B12/Folic acid...the methyl kinds.

 

"I did it my way" www.lef.org/protocols/cancer/c... Dx 8/6/2014, ILC, 3cm, Stage II, Grade 2, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/10/2014 Mastectomy: Right
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Jan 17, 2015 02:22PM - edited Jan 17, 2015 02:24PM by labelle

I've started to use progesterone per Dr. Lee's instructions and feel really good about this choice. Ever notice how no one who is ER+/PR+ is offered a "progesterone blocker" just estrogen blockers. I'm convinced Natural Progesterone is a protective and is needed to balance our estrogen. With breast cancer caused by estrogen dominance, there are 2 ways to achieve balance-one is to reduce estrogen ( this is what we are usually offered by our OCs and deal with all the things that happen when we are deprived of estrogen) the other is to increase progesterone. I'm going for the later.

I've been reading on here for a while and hope I don't get blasted for this choice. Time and time I've read of how women take Tamox and/or aromatose inhibitors and their BC still comes back (they offer no guarantees) yet women who choose not to take these substances are made to feel that if our BC comes back it is our fault. At 51 understand I have a lot of years ahead of me (hopefully) in which I could have a reoccurance, but that also means I could have a lot of years ahead of me to have to deal with health problems caused by Tamox and/or aromatose like heart disease (also deadly), blood clots and stroke (deadly) , osteoporosis (if not deadly, close) , sexual dysfunction (not ready to give it up). I'm going for the do no harm things: natural progesterone, more exercise, optimizing vitamin D, using DIM when my rads are done, continuing to eat a clean sugar and processed food free diet, eliminating xenoestrogens and toxic chemicals from my environment as best I can and mostly moving on. From what I can tell, once you are on tamoxifen or aromatose therapy you need to be closely monitored for side effects. My mother, who died 4 years after being diagnosed w BC NEVER stopped being a BC patient: chemo, surgery, rads, hormones, different hormones, more chemo. And even though she was "well" for about 2 of those years (no cancer, only dealing w side effects of her treatment) she was never able to move past this diagnosis and enjoy what was left of her life because not only were the side effects she experienced unpleasant, but there was always looming in the future yet another check-up or test. I'm just going to do it differently.

Dx 9/29/2014, IDC: Tubular, Left, <1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 1/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 11/12/2014 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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May 13, 2015 02:42PM BUNKIE10 wrote:

Hi ladies

I have been surfing about different posts trying to find one that deals with HRT or the lack of. I have been on Cenestin for almost 20 years. I was told at the time I had my hysterectomy it was a more natural drug. I was having hot flashes every hour and migraines. I could not sleep and my hair was coming out. I did well on the Cenestin but when I got DCIS in 2012 my drs all went crazy about me being on it. A little more background I also have an autoimmune disease for the last 12 years that has forced me to be on a small dose the anti inflamatory drug prednisone. I have a bit of osteopena but the HRT has kept my bones from crumbling more. So after begging to stay on the HRT and having ER-/PR- results with my DCIS I was allowed to stay on it. Fast forward to last week. I agreed to wean off the HRT in the next year to see if I even had hot flashes any more because I am now 62. Went to the pharmacy to get my HRT and it was discontinued by the manufacturer. No pills. No pills in the USA any place. So I ran to my gyno and she said time to stop cold turkey. I have been off of them now for a week. I am a mess. Shaky, nauseated at times, joint pain all over my body, headaches and dry skin like a prune. I called her and begged so she gave me some vivelle dot patch HRT that is supposed to be more natural. My PCP does not want me to use them because I am very sensitive to adhesives. I broke out with contact dermititis after both my lumpectomy surgeries and my gallbladder surgery. Also if I start the patch and can not take it I have to detox again. So what to do. If it gets too bad I will probably try the darned patch. I am miserable.

Is there anyone here that stopped HRT cold turkey? How long did it take to balance out again?

Dx 6/11/2012, DCIS, Stage 0, Grade 2, ER-/PR- Surgery 7/22/2012 Lumpectomy: Left Surgery 8/7/2012 Lumpectomy: Left Radiation Therapy 10/3/2012 Breast
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May 13, 2015 04:01PM kittysister wrote:

Bunkie, just wanted to say I was on vivelle dot, the patch, for years, after they discontinued estraderm. I was previously on that. I am not here to condone using estrogen or bash it. Just wanted to let you know it helped me in every way, when I was using it. But after my BC cropped up last summer, I had to stop using it. Not only was I afraid it was feeding my cancer, but my doctor refused to prescribe it. So cold turkey I went.

I also have an autoimmune disease and was on 5 mg. of prednisone a day. My doctor also wouldn't prescribe that any more. Talk about a double whammy. I understand exactly. (if you would like to private message me, feel free to).

So .. I know all about the hot flashes, bad moods, dry skin, aching joints, fatigue, etc. Being on estrogen helped all of that, too. I would say it eventually evened out a little, after a few months. But I was all wrapped up in scans, surgery, appointments, etc. and had bigger problems than going estrogenless or without prednisone. So maybe I didn't notice as much. I don't know. A lot of that is almost a blur.

NOW I am on femara, which is taking what little estrogen away that I had left in my body .. and it seems to make things worse than just going off of estrogen.

Dx 8/4/2014, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 1/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Dec 11, 2015 08:55AM - edited Dec 11, 2015 08:58AM by Pammigammi

To CCJJ: What have you done since your last post in 2012 about the BHRT. I am done with chemo and about to go to surgery to remove tumor was 4+cm now after chemo less than 1cm. I want to start back on my BHRT felt so good before the cancer I want that back. I fear if I don"t use BHRT I won't be married any more I can't stand myself so I can't expect my husband to like me. I have withdrawn from ALL friends and family. I hate my life now.

Dx 6/1/2015, IBC, Left, 4cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Aug 12, 2019 11:15AM - edited Aug 12, 2019 11:16AM by snapple7

Hello All! It's been a long time since I've been here. There is a surprising feeling of 'home', as I spent so much time here. As before, I'm learning more here than anywhere else I've looked! So can you help me? Here is my hx: IDC, stage 2, grade 3, ER,PR Positive, bilateral mast with reconstruction, clear nodes.

I had a hysterectomy from repeated polyps after Tamoxifen for 4 years...something no one told me was a side effect. Arimidex was the devil so I said enough. No more. I'm 11 years NED this past June.

Now, I'm 56 and curious and WANTING to take bioidentical hormones. I'm exhausted all the time. Terrible sleep. Sluggish. ZERO libido, which shocks my younger self. :) Menopause really does suck. They were right!

I take some sleep supplements that were working well-got me off Ativan: Melatonin, L-Theanine, Kavinace. But they aren't working now. I also went against my MO advice and AM taking pregesterone 5mg I think. But can I do more? Can I take a combo Estrogen/Progesterone identical hormone being positive for both? Can we NEVER EVER have estrogen? I've been avoiding soy even for 11 years. Now I just want to feel good. I'm not trying to be 100. I believe in quality vs quantity and I know I'm not making the most of mine with the way things are now.

Anyone on estrogen after ER pos cancer? (I can almost hear the gasps out there now!)

Thanks, ya'll.

Dx 6/15/2008, IDC, 4cm, Stage II, Grade 3, 0/4 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 12, 2019 02:14PM - edited Aug 12, 2019 02:20PM by Jons_girl

This is a topic that is seared into my head.....hormone therapy and cancer. It forever changed my life in the late 90's.

My maternal grandmother who I loved dearly had breast cancer in the late 80's...mostly IDC. She had a mastectomy. She was on tamoxifen for approx 7 yrs which was a common length of time to be on tamoxifen back then for BC in the 80's.

My gma went off tamoxifen after the 7 yrs passed and by the late 90's was feeling awful. Menopausal stuff I think. She told her gyn she wanted to be back on hormones. He said he wouldn't recommend that because she had previously had breast cancer. She told him she didn't care, she wanted to go on them. And told him she wanted to go on hormones. He wrote the rx for premarin I believe...not sure if she took anything else.

Within months after starting back on hormones her cancer was back and then mets to her lungs..... she passed around a year after starting on hormones. Did this bring her cancer back or would it have returned anyway? I don't know. But all I know is it DID return by chance after she started taking the hormones.

I won't ever take any hormones...natural or not....after seeing what my gma went through. Just my experience in my family. I have taken bioidentical/natural hormones in the past....not really long term. But I won't ever take them again. Just my experience....I am not telling people what they should do. Just sharing what I will not be doing.

Dx 6/2017, IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 7/5/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel
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Aug 13, 2019 04:40AM - edited Aug 13, 2019 04:44AM by Kay7751

She took the hormone (premarin, horse urine)well known to contribute to breast cancer. Bioidenticals are different. Molecularly the same as the hormones we produce ourselves. Who believes women make hormones that give them cancer? Not me

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Aug 14, 2019 04:28PM Jons_girl wrote:

Kay you are probably right. I just am not willing to take any chances at all. Some people have even said that soy can mess around with your hormones. Some are in the pro soy camp and others in the no soy camp. I have decided to just not eat much of it. I agree bioidenticals are better for us perhaps. I used to take some. But have just decided for now not to take them.

Dx 6/2017, IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 7/5/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel

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