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Topic: Anti-inflammatory supplements, reduce cholesterol levels ?

Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: May 15, 2012 02:28PM

cp418 wrote:

What Anti-inflammatory supplements and to reduce cholesterol levels do you prefer?

I had some bloodwork done not to long ago that show elevated cholesterol, CRP and Fibrinogen levels - - all out of range HIGH.  Yes, all high risk for a cardio event especially with strong family hx of heart dx and strokes.  I'm a Ticking time bomb here and I'm sure mostly caused by 5 yrs on Femara.  Don't drink, smoke, not obsese or over weight and exercise regular.  Conservative diet no red meat in past 6 years, minimal dairy to no dairy, organic poultry, wild seafood, organic veggies, fruit, minimal bread, lots of EVOO and salads, oatmeal. etc.  Not much more that I can do with life style changes???  Also, I take obvious supplements for Ca, Mg, Vit D, Vit C, Curcumin, Omega 3, CoQ10, Glucosamine, acetyl L Carnitine, a few others.  Drink lots of green tea my favorite.

(Note - Oncologist wants me to stay on Femara a few more years but I need to get these abnormal labs under control.)  I do not want to be placed on any statins.  Wondered about Red Yeast Rice, more Vitamin C, etc.  Read warning about taking Bromelain for individuals taking daily Aspirin which I do already.  I've an appt with my Nutritionist and have a few questions to ask regarding supplement changes.  I just wondered if anyone else has some additional ideas that would be helpful to discuss during my appt. 

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May 15, 2012 02:34PM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:10PM by del4

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May 15, 2012 03:06PM - edited May 15, 2012 03:10PM by Del14

cp418,

I'm in the same boat as you. I've been off Arimidex for 3 years (never had high cholesterol before starting that)

I do not take the cholesterol meds because I've had liver damage in the past due to taking a new pain med. (off the market now)

I'm afraid of the cholest. meds and have been told by my dr. not to take the Nician because it can cause liver damage, too and he does not recommend Red Yeast Rice for the same reason.

I'm trying to get more exercise, still eating right, taking Omega 3's, multi vitamins, b complex, D3, calcium,  and I take Sulindac for an anti inflammatory and just added garlic pills on the advice of the pharmacist.

I have read that an anti imflammatory might help with high cholesterol but if it does I wonder what mine would be without the Sullindac because I've been taking it for a year.

Let me know if you find any other answers.

BTW.... high BP after going on Arimidex and that is leveling out. My good cholest. is so good as well as trig. that I'm hoping that off sets the bad cholesterol.

JO-5

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May 15, 2012 03:24PM cp418 wrote:

Yes, this is all crazy with the side effects!  Good HDL cholesterol is high so at least I have that in my favor.  BUT some others are high too despite conservative eating , exercise and current supplements.  The total cholesterol levels keeps going up because the LDL is increasing and the elevated CRP and Fibrogen levels are bad for cardio event. All indication of inflammation somewhere - - duh, my body aches and joints are chronic daily pain. Banging head here.....  I haven't eaten a good burger or steak in 6 years!  I understand a MTHFR mutation may cause eleveated Homocysteine levels and may be contributing to these other elevations with Femara aggrevating it.  Dietary folic acid, B6, B12 used to lower Homocysteine.  It just seems with all the money spent on supplements and responsible life style choices I was hoping for better lab reports.....  I'll let you know what I learn.  Hopefully something new.  Smile
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May 15, 2012 03:26PM momoschki wrote:

My cholesterol was moderately high (220) and my integrative onco recommended red rice yeast.  Have been taking Thorne Labs Choleast and in the first 3 months, it got my level down to 200.  My doctor never mentioned liver damage...

ADH dx 3/11 Surgery 3/10/2011 Lumpectomy: Left
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May 15, 2012 03:39PM - edited May 15, 2012 03:41PM by cp418

momoschki - excellent result for red rice yeast.  What daily dose were you taking - 1/2 pills daily? 

I'm finding some articles related to Vitamin C dose and lowering these elevated labs.  Maybe 1000 units daily is not enough for me.

 http://www.annalskemu.org/journal/index.php/annals/article/viewArticle/274

http://www.theheart.org/article/288457/print.do

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16298763

http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/fireformahef.html

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May 16, 2012 10:01AM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:10PM by del4

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May 16, 2012 10:22AM cp418 wrote:

Sunflowers - Thanks for the link!  I have spring allergies bad and with the rain and mold who knows what all is making me sneeze, itchy eyes, sinus issues - - may not all be pollen.  I'll look up the bitter melon next.  Thanks!

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May 16, 2012 10:34AM - edited May 16, 2012 10:37AM by Ruby-

Hi cp418, just had MRI for extreme shoulder pain, thought it could have been mets...turns out, it's bursitis with some torn tissue, most likely caused by my overusing my right side as opposed to my left surgery side.  Don't want to get lymphedema !!

I never knew I had the above until I ran out of Boswelia, that's when the extreme pain began (nothing worked, Advil NO, Flexeril No, etc. etc), a few days after replenishing, pain gone !! I mean, the onco was referring me to rheumatology for steroid injections for God's sake....I told him: no thanks, as long as the boswelia is doing the job, am sticking to it.

Turns out boswelia is great for BC as well, what a bonus and a gift this boswelia, definitely reduces inflammation !!

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic... 

Got the tip from some stage IV ladies here, if you search, you'll find the thread  

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 16, 2012 10:49AM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:10PM by del4

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May 16, 2012 11:02AM Ruby- wrote:

Had acupuncture before, am very excited about appt with TCM doctor next month.  The only obstacle for me is $$$$$.  So, hopefully, she can work on my digestive system and immunity in only a few sessions.

“The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D Dx 2010, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 3/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 16, 2012 11:54AM cp418 wrote:

WOW for the Boswellia info.  Maud so totally agree about passing on the steroid injections.  I rather use more conservative holistice treatments now and leave the aggressive drugs if no other option. 

Accupuncture is something I've never tried but certainly will add to consideration list.  Looking forward to seeing Nutritionist and GP this Friday - back to back appts.  See what their feedback is on elevated labs and what Nutritionist recommends for supplements/changes.  GP knows I'm not into taking drugs unless needed and will want to get lab results repeated after I try other options first.  Also, plan on telling him I'm taking a "holiday" off Femara for 3 months similar to the Dana Farber Clinical trial (Thanks!  Sunflower).  There is a huge clinical trial in Europe comparing Femara beyond 5 years in 2 treatment arms.  One group takes 3 month "Holiday" and on drug 9 months.  THe other treatment arm stays on Femara for full 12 months for additional 5 years.  This means a total of 10 years on AI to prevent recurrence.   

I already informed my oncologist about my "Holiday" and he aggreed to it considering my continued bone loss - - plus now elevated labs.  So I've decided to conduct my own experiment on myself. I've been on Femara for 5 years now and feel it is taking a toll on my body and QOL - no doubt about it.....

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May 16, 2012 12:13PM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:10PM by del4

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May 16, 2012 12:26PM cp418 wrote:

Yes, I believe the DF is part the international SOLE trial but seems to be the only USA site I could find.  I prefer to control the option of 9/3 schedule because with my luck I would get the 12 month schedule.  I was on Tamox for 4 months in the beginning and did not handle side effects well.  Strong family hx of strokes and uterine fibroids motivated me to switch to AI.  All these medications have side effects and as individuals we need to try/pick the one we can tolerate or feel works for us.  Some of us breeze through these drugs and others simply cannot tolerate or have many problems.  We just do the best we can.......  Smile
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May 16, 2012 03:11PM Everlastpink wrote:

I thought I was the only person in this position.  I have always had normal weight, was even very thin before BC. Always ate healthy, exercised, never smoked or drank and never had a cholesterol problem.  Then after being on Aromasin for a few years, my LDL and total cholesterol shot through the roof.  Fortunately, my HDL was high too.  Are AI's known for causing high cholesterol? 

My primary sent me to a cardiologist who did indepth tests to show I have a genetic tendancy towards high LDL and that diet and exercise will not prevent it.  He put me on 2000 mg of Niacin daily, plus 3000 mg omegas (I had been on 2000 mg omegas before that) and he added the statins Zetia and Zocor.  It brought my numbers way down (except the HDL, that went even higher). So far, liver is good, but I'd love to get off Zetia and Zocor.  Maybe when I am off the Aromasin I can quit the statins and see what happens.

I also have the MTHFR mutations so could not go on Tamoxifen, had to have BSO anyway, so first tried Arimidex, which caused a blood clot apparently, and am doing ok on Aromasin.  Med Onco put me on folic acid and B12 for the MTHFR to lower my high homocysteine levels.

For inflamation, acupuncture helped me a lot.  But it is $$$ and no insurance coverage. If I could do that every day, I would feel great!  I also take an OTC supplement called Zyflamend that my integrative oncologist recommended for inflamation.

Has anyone read that AI's cause high cholesterol? I have just been assuming it is in my genes, since that is what my cardiologist said. 

I spend so much on supplements each year, it's amazing!

Katherine, lumpectomy, SNB, mammosite radiation, bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy, Aromasin Dx 12/1/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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May 16, 2012 03:20PM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:11PM by del4

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May 16, 2012 03:39PM cp418 wrote:

revellsk - your medical hx sounds VERY similar to me with MTHFR mutation, high HDL but cholesterol went way up when I started AI. Yes, all the diet and exercise is not controlling it.  I've been taking 1000mg Omega 3s and did not realize we can go higher dose.  The Zyflamend sounds good --- do you notice a difference when taking it? 

Thanks everyone for all the suggestions and information.  All VERY helpful for asking questions at my Nutritionist appt.

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May 17, 2012 02:33PM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:11PM by del4

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May 17, 2012 03:16PM cp418 wrote:

Yes, unfortunately I've run across those articles too.  That was probably my one lab test that use to look good but not anymore!

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May 17, 2012 03:33PM Del14 wrote:

Heard it on the news today...... They said it is still good to have high HDL but not as much benefit as they thought before.

What do you want to bet there will be another report out to contradict this one?

I'm just doing the best I can with food, exercise, and etc. and not going to worry about every report that comes out.

Also heard that Z-pac (antibiotic) might cause heart problems...... MIGHT

 After over 40 years they (whoever "they" are) decided that Darvon causes heart problems and took it off the market and it was the ONLY pain med that I could take. Getting along on an anti inflammatory and Tylenol now. Tylenol is about a good as chewing chalk!

JO-5

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May 17, 2012 03:58PM cp418 wrote:

You can bet there will be another report!  Ha Ha - - these researchers need to get published and in the news!  Wink
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May 17, 2012 05:29PM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:11PM by del4

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May 18, 2012 05:58PM Del14 wrote:

plus..... the media blows it all out of proportion!

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May 28, 2012 10:05AM Del14 wrote:

I would be interested in knowing if any of you have had any reduction in your cholesterol with garlic supplements? The one I have came from the health food store, does not dissolve in the stomach, but in the bowel and you only need to take one a day?  I know eating garlic is probably best, but I can't tolerate that much.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks,

JO-5

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May 28, 2012 11:53AM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:11PM by del4

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May 28, 2012 01:59PM - edited May 28, 2012 02:05PM by cp418

I recently purchased some garlic capsules too as I do not eat garlic on a daily basis.  Increased Vitamin C dose to 2000 and increased Omega 3 to 3 capsules per day for 3000 units plus take a CoQ 100 mg daily.  Added Boswellia for anti-inflammatory and Bromelain as well. Nutritionist added Nattokinase (NAC 500) for cardio since I have elevated fibrinogen, cholesterol, and CRP levels.  I always take a minimum of 8,000 Vitamin D daily as I find when I decrease the dose my levels go down.  On this higher dose I can maintain it between 60- 65 range - - I don't know where it goes so maybe my body does not absorb or process it well.  What the heck I also threw some mushroom supplement (can't recall which one) to go along with my Cucurmin supplements.  I swear I rattle when I walk!! 

Sadly almost 2 weeks off Femara and my body joint pains are still bad.  Maybe allergy season has my immune system all screwed up but I am hoping to get some pain relief soon.....  Hopefully some of these added supplements for anti-inflammatory will start to be effective in the next few weeks.  Maybe too soon to tell after only one week.

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May 29, 2012 09:56AM - edited Aug 10, 2012 01:11PM by del4

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May 29, 2012 10:14AM cp418 wrote:

I tried Claritan and it had no effect on my joint pain or did much for allergies.  I have such swollen nasal sinuses (no nasal drip, some sneezing, itchy eyes) I am trying some OTC nasal sprays which is all natural "Allergy Buster".  It burns a little and tastes terrible but some noticable improvement.  Ordered on line LAVI nasal products for chronic sinisitis so will try it as well.  I think after the heavy tree pollen season my allergies will also improve - -just have to deal with it.

Added some coconut oil to my oatmeal this morning (see other topic on coconut oil).  Maybe it will help with some issues as well.  At least it is not another drug LOL!!

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May 29, 2012 11:28AM OleOne wrote:

If you're looking for an all-natural approach to lower cholesterol, improve the immune system and related problems (this includes auto-immune diseases like allergies!) and anti-inflammatory as well you might want to have a look at extracts of the Cordyceps sinensis medicinal mushroom.

 It works very well according to clinical trials and research, and also neutralizes the side effects of chemo and radiation. If you want to read more about it you can have a look at this repository, which also covers other medicinal mushrooms (yes, I'm all into those, they're little miracles!):

http://www.oriveda.com/resources.php

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May 29, 2012 02:07PM Del14 wrote:

I have been taking Claritin off and on since rads. My Radiation Onc. had me take it with a Pepsid AC for a rash.

The rash not only went away but my stomach and joints felt better.

She said that Claritin and Pepsid AC are two different kinds of anti hystamine and each helps the other work better.

The only reason that I don't take it every single day is because I have dry eyes and it does make that a little worse.

It doesn't work for everyone, I'm sure, but Claritin + Pepsid AC sure helps me.

JO-5

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May 29, 2012 03:10PM cp418 wrote:

JO - now that combo has me baffled as the Pepcid AC is for heartburn symptoms??!!  I think these natural nasal sprays are helping or maybe inside with AC running now and tree pollen levels going down is helping.  We got hit with a heat wave with humidity now.

OleOne - coincidence as I had just been reading up on mushroom supplements last week specifically "Cordyceps".  Thanks very much for the link!

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