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Topic: metastatic (hope i spelled that right....) cancer

Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: Sep 7, 2012 11:42PM

heyjudette wrote:

Hi, does anyone have any holistic suggestions for cancer that has spread to the bones years after having it in the breast? This is happening to my mom, and I'm looking for anything that could possibly help along with her treatment. Thank you so much.

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Sep 8, 2012 12:22AM HLB wrote:

I was recently diagnosed with spinal mets after 7 years. I'm not an expert but I have been doing hours per day od trying to find out the same thing ever since I found out. Here is what I am taking:

Turmeric 1800, boswellia 1200, maitake d fraction extract 100 ml (30drops), vit D3 10000 iu, calcium 600, vit C 4000. So far....I have a few things I'm looking into and want to ask Onc about. There are a few ladies on here who are really knowledgable about supplements and they will probably reply. I also cut out all sugar and making smoothies out of veggies and fruits, and quit eating meat. Cut down pizza to once a week. Can't do without that completely!

Dx 10/2004, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 2/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/30/2004 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Surgery 11/30/2004 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 1/2/2005 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 9/15/2005 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 7/23/2012, IDC, Stage IV Hormonal Therapy 7/23/2012 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2015 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Sep 8, 2012 10:59AM heyjudette wrote:

Thanks for replying!  I'm going to tell my mom to look into the supplements; she actually was interested in the tumeric before all this happened, so I have a feeling she'll definitely be on board for that.  The only problem with diet is that she also has small tumors in her abdomen that according to the doctor are the reason she's lost a lot of weight within the past 6 months (she tries to eat but gets filled up so quickly it's almost impossible for her.)  But maybe the smoothies of veggies and fruit will be easier on her stomach, and of course healthy.  Thanks again for replying!

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Sep 8, 2012 06:25PM HLB wrote:

I'm surprised no one else has replied yet. If you read some of the posts in this section I'm sure you will find lots of info. I was just reading the other day that turmeric is hard to absorb and you need the kind that comes with something else in it that is made from black pepper. I'm going to look for that kind because I think turmeric is one of the important more powerful cancer fighting ones. Disappointing because I just $45 on the last bottle.

Dx 10/2004, IDC, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 2/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/30/2004 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Surgery 11/30/2004 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 1/2/2005 AC + T (Taxol) Surgery 9/15/2005 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 7/23/2012, IDC, Stage IV Hormonal Therapy 7/23/2012 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy 4/1/2015 Aromasin (exemestane)
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Sep 9, 2012 10:20AM Tina72 wrote:

You can get the actual turmeric root at whole foods, peel it and put about a half inch in your smoothie. I would suggest seeing a nutritionist preferably one that works with cancer patients so your mom gets supplements that work with her treatment.

Dx Stage IV
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Sep 25, 2012 02:34PM Rosetapper wrote:

Yes, there are several VERY HOPEFUL holistic approaches that may help your mother.  I currently have metastatic breast cancer of the lymphatic system.  My alopathic options are nonexistent at this time because I've either already had all of the available chemotherapies or am unable to have them due to bad reactions.  There have been very successful clinical trials throughout the world (including the University of Washington) with regard to Artemisinin.  Artemisinin is derived from the Artemesia plant, and has three derivatives that have proven helpful in fighting ALL cancers successfully:  Artemisinin, Artesunate, and Artemether.  The clinical trials have shown that the cancer in people who take this supplement either stops spreading, is reduced, or goes into remission.  That's right--remission!!  When my cancer metastasized to my lymphatic system, I felt extremely ill, and I immediately contacted one of the lead researchers at the University of Washington, who directed me to purchase the pharmaceutical grade product that was used in clinical trials in East India, and he also provided me with the protocol (which is important, because you have to follow a low-iron diet and take the product 3-4 hours after eating).  Artemisinin works in a unique way:  It is attracted to cells that contain an abnormally large amount of iron (these are cancer cells), it enters those cells, and then a peroxide action occurs--the cells explode, killing them instantly.  As you can imagine, MANY cancer cells are killed with every dose of Artemisinin.  It also crosses the blood-brain barrier to kill cancer cells in the brain, and it is capable of killing cancer cells in the lungs and bones.  If you do a keyword search and read about the studies done on it, you'll see that it has been determined to be far more effective than any chemo currently on the market, without side effects.  It is also anti-estrogenic and anti-progesterone.

Nine days after I started the protocol provided by the researcher from the University of Washington, all of my symptoms disappeared.  I've been in good health and symptom-free since then (five months), and my oncologist is both astounded and pleased with my progress.  Of course, some of my lymph nodes are still somewhat enlarged, but my goal is remission....so I've stepped up the amount that I take (which is closer to what was used in the studies in Heidelberg).  I'm currently taking Artemix (which contains all three dervatives) plus three capsules of Artemisinin from Wellcare Pharmaceutical Company, P. O. Box 2858, Palos Verdes, CA 90274 (www.hepalin.com/artemix.http).  Studies also show that Artemisinin can be 35% more effective if taken with four capsules of calcium magnesium butyrate (www.jigsawhealth.com/supplemen... at the same time.  I only recently purchased this product (which tastes and smells absolutely horrid), and I plan to add it to the Artemix and Artemisinin that I already take.  Because absorption of Artemisinin can drop off, your mother might consider taking it nightly for 6-8 weeks and then stop taking it for three days in order to build up her absorption and then resume taking it for the following four nights.  She can continue with this regimen of 3 off/4 on thereafter and should have good results.

Also, there is a product called AngioBlock, which is simply Bindweed, the most common weed found in America.  It works similarly to Faslodex but without the bad side effects, such as diarrhea.  It keeps cancer tumors from establishing blood vessel networks so that they eventually starve from lack of nutrients and die.  I've been taking it twice a day for eight weeks, and I think it's probably doing "something" because all of the abnormal blood vessels in my skin (matting due to failed schlerotherapy as well as hemangioma birthmarks) have disappeared completely.  Again, my oncologist is amazed and is planning to share this information with other doctors, who may wish to know of a potential new way to treat cavernous hemangiomas in children.

Lastly, there is Poly-MVA, a metallo-vitamin that boosts the immune system so that it can fight off cancer.  It's VERY expensive ($900 per month initially for Stage IV cancer), and I'm about to begin taking it.  Again, remission is my goal.  Of course, I can't afford $900 per month, but my brother recently received a huge bonus and is willing to spend part of it to help me fight my cancer....and he has offered to buy this treatment for six months to see if it helps me.  

I suppose I should also mention that I recently attended a breast cancer conference in Sacramento where a doctoral student presented the results of her research into "unexpected remissions."  I won't go into everything she presented; however, one of the attendees I met told me that her breast cancer metastasized to her lymphatic system and bones back in 1988....and all she did was meditate/visualize two hours a day and follow a macrobiotic diet with lots of juicing.  She said that the cancer simply "went away."  The doctor student noted that both meditation/visualization and juicing with a diet high in fruits and vegetables were used by ALL persons she interviewed who had gone into remission.  Just FYI...

I hope that some of these suggestions help.  Please, though, order some of the Artemix and Artemisinin right away--most people see improvements after 7-14 days.  If you have questions about the protocol, Dr. Narendra Singh of the University of Washington is very helpful.  He can be reached at narendra@u.washington.edu.  Good luck!

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Sep 28, 2012 01:38AM lightandwind wrote:

Rosetapper that was fascnating info. I've been researching it and very interested in trying these. Thanks so much for posting.  I wanted to let you know that I looked up the ingredients for the poly-mva, and they can be found in supplements and food, so it looks to me like it's not necessary to spend all that money. you can pick up the ingredients at the healthfood store for a lot less. Hope this helps. thanks again... 

www.polymva.com/ingredients-of... 

http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/HerbsVitaminsandMinerals/molybdenum

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Sep 28, 2012 02:07AM - edited Sep 28, 2012 02:07AM by lightandwind

Here are the supplements I take:

1. D3

2. tumeric at least 1500-3000 mg's per day

3 green tea- life extensions has a good standardized extract

4. pecta sol citrus pectin

5. IP6

6. red rasberry powder

7. NAC

8. Reservatrol

9. Alpha lipoic acid

10. Vita C

11. B vitamins

12. chaga, cordecyps, maitake, shitake mushrooms

13. essiac tea

Also, I take femara, so definately supplement w/ calcium, but on a few occasions I have had to take break for a day or two from femara due to the SEs, and so I supplement then w/ grapeseed extract and querticin and/or chrysin, and DIM. to help inhibit estrogen. For another alternative to AI, you might want to research viscum albicum otherwise known as mistletoe. It's a stringent protocal that takes place over months even years, and for me, w/ the AI I take, it's just too much.

I also drink Astragalus tea for immune enhancement.

Thanks everyone for the info in this thread! Best to all..

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Sep 29, 2012 12:21AM dlb823 wrote:

heyjudette, I'm sorry to hear about your Mom's recurrence.  Another avenue she might pursue to be sure she's doing the very best alternative/complementary/integrative things for her specific situation would be to work with either a naturopatic doctor who has a specific interest and training in oncology, or an integrative oncologist.  Here are a couple of organizations that might interest you and her, and both websites have "find a doctor in your area" search features:

http://www.oncanp.org/

www.integrativeonc.org/ 

Deanna

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Oct 21, 2012 05:11PM Rosetapper wrote:

Poly-MVA also contains palladium, which is a metal that costs three times what gold costs.  That's why it's so expensive.

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Nov 3, 2012 11:13AM CathyK wrote:

Rosetapper,

I can't thank you enough for posting what I will call life-saving information (for me). I have been in contact with Dr. Singh and I'm also on the protocol along with Angioblock and the calcium butyrate product. I do visualization and meditation as well, but I'm curious about the seminar you went to, and if there's any information you can point us in the direction of to obtain it.

I'm probably in the minority on this board as I'm someone who has done only alternative therapies, for a number of reasons. I firmly believe the best treatments are those that we each resonate strongly with.

I was diagnosed 6 years ago with Paget's disease with DCIS, and was doing great until June 2012. Something I'm doing in my daily life caused tumor growth so I'm back to detoxifying and doing my original protocol along with supplementation.

The biggest thing for me in healing was to forgive everyone in my past and present, including myself. I have let go of all toxic relationships and set boundaries.

Thank you for sharing what is very valuable information to me!

Blessings,

CathyK

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Nov 6, 2012 07:24AM marymoir wrote:

I was just diagnosed with mets to liver and bones after 4 years NED. I am SO glad to find this thread! I started working with a integrative MD a few months ago, but haven't had a chance to see him since the mets diagnosis, so I can't wait to share this info with him (although he may already know since he's pretty much on the cutting edge. Thanks so much Rosetapper!

Mets to liver and multiple bones. Dx 11/19/2008, IDC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 12/8/2008 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel Chemotherapy 1/6/2009 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Radiation Therapy 4/25/2009 Breast Hormonal Therapy 6/4/2009 Dx 11/3/2012, IDC, Stage IV, Grade 3, mets Chemotherapy 11/15/2012 Doxil (doxorubicin) Hormonal Therapy 3/12/2013 Faslodex (fulvestrant) Chemotherapy 9/7/2013 Xeloda (capecitabine)
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Jun 17, 2018 11:12PM jojo68 wrote:

I know this post is old.....is anyone here still doing artemesinin?

2012 Stage 3 Lobular Er+/Pr+/her-/Grade 2 7 nodes +/2014 marrow mets/2018 Mets to Bones/ovaries and peritoneum

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