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Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: Nov 1, 2016 07:00PM

NineTwelve wrote:

I've been wanting to maintain a meditation practice, but menopause and family problems make my mind too restless and squirrelly. I just couldn't sit still.

Until I discovered guided meditations - recorded tracks with a calm voice (and sometimes music), taking me on a meditation journey.

I listen to one every morning and I feel so much lighter and more calm. Even my 90 year old parents don't drive me (as) crazy anymore.

I can't believe I always had this (free) mental health treatment available. Wish I had discovered and embraced it sooner. Anyone else doing this?


Right thoughts, right words, right action! - Franz Ferdinand Dx 9/12/2014, IDC, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2014 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 10/1/2014 Dx 7/2016, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs Hormonal Therapy 8/16/2016 Faslodex (fulvestrant), Zoladex (goserelin) Targeted Therapy 8/16/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Nov 1, 2016 08:36PM labelle wrote:

I have a couple of guided meditations I found on YouTube that I like. Nice thing about YouTube is that it is free. I listened to and rejected a bunch of them before I found and bookmarked the ones I use and like.

While I've not always been very devoted to my meditation practice, I do find that it helps me to feel calmer, more centered. I meditated a lot when I was in active treatment. Less lately, but I would probably feel better, mental health wise, if I started doing it again on a regular basis. Would definitely recommend it to others-it is more powerful than many people realize.

Dx 9/29/2014, IDC: Tubular, Left, <1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 1/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 11/13/2014 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Radiation Therapy Whole-breast: Breast
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Nov 1, 2016 08:42PM mara51506 wrote:

I use guided meditation every night in bed. I will use music with one earbud and the guided meditation that goes through relaxing and then has rain going for 8 hours. Better than sleeping pills for me, don't think about my cancer either which is an added bonus.

My favourite guided meditation is this one. I downloaded it and turned it to mp3. I find the voice relaxing. It has you do some deep breathing, muscle relaxation. The voice only goes for approx 10 mins then goes to a rain sound. Very soothing.


2015 chemos AC plus T Herceptin august 12 2016 craniotomy for brain met Sept 23 whole brain radiation November 2016 Herceptin, Perjeta and Taxol. Dec 2016, Dropped the Taxol due to extreme side effects, continuing Herceptin and Perjeta. Dx 3/15/2015, DCIS, Right, Stage 0, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 4/22/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Right Dx 5/15/2015, IBC, Right, Stage IIIB, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Dx 7/29/2016, IBC, Right, 6cm+, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Nov 2, 2016 12:59AM abigail48 wrote:

I say several tibetan mantras regularly, some in the tibetan language some in english

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Nov 2, 2016 01:35AM Lookforward wrote:

l have a couple of apts on my iPad. I found it helped reduce anxiety and stress after my diagnosis . I initially used it it a few times a day. I really should get back to it, but I have a tendency to fall asleep now

Dx 4/1/2014, IDC, Left, Stage IIIA, 2/12 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 2, 2016 04:16PM NineTwelve wrote:

I feel so good when I spend twenty minutes or so listening to a soothing voice telling me to breathe and relax. It can make me sleepy, though, so I like to do it in the morning, after breakfast (instead of all the infuriating election news - enough already!)

I started doing it regularly after reading Breast Cancer: 50 Essential Things To Do. The author experienced a healing of his late-stage lung cancer. He believes regular meditation was a huge factor.

I'm also watching Eckart Tolle lectures, and listening to Dr. Joe Dispenza's You Are the Placebo meditations.

These are all things I would do even if I were not sick, as they make me feel rested, peaceful and full of calm joy. I would love to go to some kind of mindfulness retreat, but so far, it seems like it might be out of my reach. I guess I'm just thinking of the money.

Right thoughts, right words, right action! - Franz Ferdinand Dx 9/12/2014, IDC, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2014 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 10/1/2014 Dx 7/2016, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs Hormonal Therapy 8/16/2016 Faslodex (fulvestrant), Zoladex (goserelin) Targeted Therapy 8/16/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Nov 2, 2016 07:39PM DeeRatz wrote:

I have just started meditation in the last few months. I like guided meditations as well. I have an iPhone app that has all sorts of options for meditation. The sleep ones are beneficial. If I wake up in the middle of the night and start thinking about a million things, I listen to a mediation and it calms me right down. I never understood the whole meditation thing. I have come to realize that healing from Breast Cancer is truly a full circle of healing. The mind/body connection and our mental well being are so connected. Since I have grasped these concepts my emotional and mental recovery from BC has been huge. I have had so much healing in the last few months.

I am currently reading The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. It gives my brain a workout as reading is a challenge for me. But there arw some very good tools for healing

Dx 4/30/2015, DCIS/IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 6/16/2015 Mastectomy: Left; Prophylactic mastectomy: Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 8/19/2015 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 11/25/2015 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Surgery 2/11/2016 Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant Surgery 10/24/2016 Reconstruction (left): Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Silicone implant
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Nov 2, 2016 07:47PM - edited Nov 2, 2016 07:47PM by mara51506

I also enjoy these three breathing exercises.

http://www.drweil.com/health-wellness/body-mind-spirit/stress-anxiety/breathing-three-exercises/

I use the 4-7-8 breathing one (relaxing breath) whenever I want to lower my blood pressure. It also helped me get over my fear of MRI. Since I will have continued MRI to make sure my brain mets are not coming back or growing, I wanted to get over the fear without resorting to anti-anxiety all the time. It works so well, the last MRI, I actually dozed off. I also like them before I go to bed as well.

The stimulating breath is also really good.

2015 chemos AC plus T Herceptin august 12 2016 craniotomy for brain met Sept 23 whole brain radiation November 2016 Herceptin, Perjeta and Taxol. Dec 2016, Dropped the Taxol due to extreme side effects, continuing Herceptin and Perjeta. Dx 3/15/2015, DCIS, Right, Stage 0, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 4/22/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Right Dx 5/15/2015, IBC, Right, Stage IIIB, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Dx 7/29/2016, IBC, Right, 6cm+, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Nov 2, 2016 08:23PM ErenTo wrote:

I did regularly for a few months then fell off the wagon in last few weeks or so. I use apps and sometimes just soothing music. Calm, Headspace, 1 Giant Mind are some of the apps I like. I should get back to it again

I think it's most beneficial if done regularly, even if it's just 10 minutes a day.

Survived an unexplained sudden cardiac arrest b/w surgery and chemo (while attending a chemo info session at the hospital). Code blue, CPR, induced coma, ICU, ICD. Escaped alive with heart and brain unscathed! Dx 12/8/2014, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 6/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Left Chemotherapy 3/20/2015 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 7/24/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 8/4/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes
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Nov 2, 2016 08:24PM - edited Nov 2, 2016 08:25PM by ErenTo

Oh and thanks Mara for the sleep music, will add it to my list!

Survived an unexplained sudden cardiac arrest b/w surgery and chemo (while attending a chemo info session at the hospital). Code blue, CPR, induced coma, ICU, ICD. Escaped alive with heart and brain unscathed! Dx 12/8/2014, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 3, 6/13 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (FISH) Surgery 1/12/2015 Lumpectomy: Left Chemotherapy 3/20/2015 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Ellence (epirubicin), Fluorouracil (5-fluorouracil, 5-FU, Adrucil), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 7/24/2015 Aromasin (exemestane), Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Radiation Therapy 8/4/2015 Breast, Lymph nodes
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Nov 2, 2016 08:31PM mara51506 wrote:

No problem, wouldn't be able to sleep without it.


2015 chemos AC plus T Herceptin august 12 2016 craniotomy for brain met Sept 23 whole brain radiation November 2016 Herceptin, Perjeta and Taxol. Dec 2016, Dropped the Taxol due to extreme side effects, continuing Herceptin and Perjeta. Dx 3/15/2015, DCIS, Right, Stage 0, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Surgery 4/22/2015 Lymph node removal: Sentinel; Mastectomy: Right Dx 5/15/2015, IBC, Right, Stage IIIB, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+ Dx 7/29/2016, IBC, Right, 6cm+, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2+
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Nov 3, 2016 10:55AM claireinaz wrote:

I use a phone app called CALM and meditate for 2-5 min every day since Jan. It has made a big difference in my anxiety levels and overall improved my mood. I also went to two local Buddhist center 1 day workshops, one in Feb one in April, that helped me understand what to meditate on, and knowledge from the workshops further supported my daily meditation.

I can't really do without my daily meditation, but I have to have something to meditate on ("may all sentient beings on earth be relieved of suffering and the fear of suffering", e.g.) so that's where the workshops helped guide me that way. I can't just close my eyes and breathe because my monkey mind keeps filling up with nonsensical thoughts. Having a few mantras helps me stay on task and relax me/make me feel more postiive about life on a daily basis.

9/29/11 ILC, 2 c. stage II grade 1, ER/PR+ HER2-, 6/11 nodes, lumpectomy, DDAC x 4, Taxol x 12, 33 rads, Tamoxifen/arimidex/aromasin, BMX/immed recon 7/3/13 "In the midst of winter, I found in me an invincible summer.” Albert Camus
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Nov 9, 2016 03:54PM ShetlandPony wrote:

Ninetwelve, what a good idea for a topic. I'm happy to find this thread, because I would like to add meditation to my life. I got the recordings by Jon Kabat-Zinn (Full Catastrophe Living book) but they are around 40 minutes long. Can anyone recommend some good guided mediation, guided imagery, or affirmation recordings that are short, like 10 or 15 minutes? I am having trouble with inertia these days, and need something that sounds easy and doable to begin with. I will look at the apps mentioned above, and also look for a workshop (thanks for that idea, Clarie).

Abigail, can you share more about the mantras?

Mara, I'm very impressed with your using breathing for the MRI. I have used visualization to get through some tests. I go to this garden in my mind and imagine all my senses experiencing it. I don't know if that is a form of meditation? I learned to do it from a guided imagery recording by B. Naparstek.

I can recommend Belleruth Naparstek's recordings. She has various topics, and the ones I have used -- anxiety, sleep, stress -- are excellent. I used them to get to sleep during my first bout with bc. She has many other topics, including cancer, radiation, fatigue, and immune system. She incorporates breathing with guided imagery. She also has recordings of affirmations.

2011 Stage I ILC ER+PR+ Her2- 1.5 cm grade 1, ITCs sn. Lumpectomy, radiation, tamoxifen. 2014 Stage IV ILC ER+PR+Her2- grade 2, mets to breast, liver, retroperitoneal nodes. Taxol NEAD. 2015,2016 Ibrance+letrozole. 2017 Faslodex+Afnitor; Xeloda
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Nov 9, 2016 07:16PM abigail48 wrote:

shetland. the 6 syllable mantra is a good place: om mani peme hum. the d is silent. it changes the sound of the vowel. all hail to the jewel in the lotus. om mani> mani jewel, peme lotus, hum, peme similarly pronounced like the name pamela the jewel in the lotus is the buddha sakyamuni, his family/tribal name when he was active as an indian prince.

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Nov 10, 2016 05:33PM claireinaz wrote:

Shetland, the CALM app offers lots of different kinds of guided meditation, and you can select the time you want to spend meditating, too. It's an easy app to use, but you have to pay a few dollars to have full access to all the different meditation options. I am cheap and just use the ones that come free with the app.

Claire

9/29/11 ILC, 2 c. stage II grade 1, ER/PR+ HER2-, 6/11 nodes, lumpectomy, DDAC x 4, Taxol x 12, 33 rads, Tamoxifen/arimidex/aromasin, BMX/immed recon 7/3/13 "In the midst of winter, I found in me an invincible summer.” Albert Camus
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Nov 10, 2016 05:49PM ShetlandPony wrote:

Thank you, Claire. I looked at the app, but decided I would rather just buy recordings for my phone than get apps that want me to register and create an account. So if anyone has names to recommend, I'll shop for them.

That's fascinating, Abigail. Is "hum" a word, or do you make a humming sound there? What d?

2011 Stage I ILC ER+PR+ Her2- 1.5 cm grade 1, ITCs sn. Lumpectomy, radiation, tamoxifen. 2014 Stage IV ILC ER+PR+Her2- grade 2, mets to breast, liver, retroperitoneal nodes. Taxol NEAD. 2015,2016 Ibrance+letrozole. 2017 Faslodex+Afnitor; Xeloda
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Nov 10, 2016 06:01PM abigail48 wrote:

I just say hum as in room. bu t y our way okay too

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Nov 11, 2016 12:54AM dlb823 wrote:

I started a Mindful Meditation class a couple of weeks ago, and it's been really interesting. UCLA strongly advocates Mindful Meditation, and it was mentioned several times in Spontaneous Remission. The instructor who leads our class (which is at the naturopathic center I use) does a lot of guided imagery stuff as part of it. We go through the chakras, then into a guided imagery meditation. The day after my first session, I had something quite strange happen -- basically a message from a stranger that totally related to a concern I'd been having. After yesterday's session (it's once a week), I slept like a rock, which is unusual for me. So I'm pretty keen on it at the moment. Deanna

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Nov 12, 2016 04:30PM sarahrae wrote:

Great Topic!

Yes and I have added Solfeggio frequencies, especially 528 hz to my playlists throughout the day! They are amazing and most can be found on you tube free. Thanks for all the great info sharing!

peace,

sarah rae Dx 2/19/2016, IDC, Right, 3cm, Stage IIA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 3/9/2016 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Radiation Therapy Whole-breast
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Nov 28, 2016 05:08PM abigail48 wrote:

the dalai lama says this prayer, no doubt in tibetan, I say it in an english translation: for as long as space lasts and as long as living beings endure, may I also endure to dispell the misery of the world

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Nov 28, 2016 07:36PM dlb823 wrote:

Oh, Abigail, that's lovely. Thanks for sharing it with us.

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Nov 28, 2016 08:05PM RedemptiveSufferer wrote:

I know this won't be for everyone, but I like the following podcast (you can hear online as well.) It opens w/Gregorian chant and the voices in the guided prayers/imagery are very soothing. It comes out of Ignatian spirituality. I appreciate more tools for the healing toolbox! Blessings ~ Kim

http://pray-as-you-go.org/home/

"Life shouldn't be measured by duration but your donation...what you give of yourself in this life." ~ Greg Laurie Dx 11/4/2016, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 12/6/2016 Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement
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Jan 5, 2017 03:02PM dlb823 wrote:

Bumping in the hopes we can share more on meditation in 2017...

My mindful meditation class has in recent weeks included the use of Tibetan bowls (on CD), a rain stick, an ocean drum, and a buffalo drum -- all very powerful tools. I bought a Tibetan bowls CD and occasionally use it at home.

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Jan 20, 2017 12:36PM NineTwelve wrote:

Which Tibetan bowl CD did you get, Deanna? Such a soothing sound. And there are indications that some sound vibrations have healing effects on the body.

Right thoughts, right words, right action! - Franz Ferdinand Dx 9/12/2014, IDC, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 2, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 9/15/2014 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone), Zoladex (goserelin) Hormonal Therapy 10/1/2014 Dx 7/2016, IDC, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/lungs Hormonal Therapy 8/16/2016 Faslodex (fulvestrant), Zoladex (goserelin) Targeted Therapy 8/16/2016 Ibrance (palbociclib)
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Jan 20, 2017 01:04PM dlb823 wrote:

I got Sounds of Light (Crystal Voices). It's good, but not sure there may not be a better one out there. I opted for the highest rated most reasonably priced one on Amazon. I think there may have been a higher rated one that was a lot more expensive, but it might be slightly better.

Our Mindful Meditation instructor has recently added drumming to our sessions -- both as a group to develop group energy before we meditate, and also drumming over us individually as we start to relax. The heightened vibrations really do feel like they're balancing your chakras and creating healing energy. Andrew Weil has a couple of great CDs that explain this phenomenon, including this one. http://www.healthjourneys.com/Store/Products/Self-...


Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV

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