Topic: Cannabis Basics

Forum: Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment — Complementary medicine refers to treatments that are used WITH standard treatment. Holistic medicine is a term used to describe therapies that attempt to treat the patient as a whole person.

Posted on: Dec 26, 2019 08:04PM - edited Jun 22, 2021 04:07PM by exbrnxgrl

Posted on: Dec 26, 2019 08:04PM - edited Jun 22, 2021 04:07PM by exbrnxgrl

exbrnxgrl wrote:

I have been using cannabis for the past few years. My main goal in using this is pain relief, de-stressor and for sleep. I have read some stories of using cannabis to cure cancer, but there is simply not enough data for me topursue it's use for that purpose.

Let me start by saying that I live in a legal state, both medical and recreational. My purchases and self experimentation are just that, my own personal experience. Your experiences may be different. If you're wondering why there isn't more scientific based research on weed, it is still completely illegal on the federal level, so not many research dollars available.

Cannabinols are the active ingredients in cannabis. With some variations, the major cannabinols are CBD and THC. CBD is not psychoactive, THC is. Cannabis plants fall into two major categories, Sativa and Indica. Indicas are known to be more sedating. This is the stuff that creates “couch lock". Sativas are thought to be more energizing. It gives more of a giggly high and is less sedating. On top of this there are many hybrids.

In addition to knowing if your weed is Sativa or Indica, different strains within each category will have varying amounts/ratios of CBD to THC. If you live in a legal state, this information should be available on the packaging. Other very important info on the packaging will be percentages of these ingredients. For instance, due to my high tolerance, I generally look for products that are at least 20% THC, 5% CBD , though for sleep I prefer a 1:1 ratio. The higher the CBD level to THC, the less “high" you will feel.

Strains... what can I say except there are hundreds, especially with all of the hybridization and mixing of strains. Here are some favorites:

Sativa- Durban Poison, Jack Herrer, Lemon Haze

Indica- Gorilla Glue, most Kush strains, Zkittlez

I have tried most, but not all, of the available forms cannabis come in. Edibles are great but for me, the time from consumption to onset of effects has been very inconsistent. Some of the edibles such as cookies and candy bars are so delicious that you can wind up eating lots of sugar! Vaping was ok, but gave me a sore throat so I no longer vape.

I prefer capsules or sub-lingual drops and use a 1:1 CBD/THC ratio. This is what I usually take about 90 minutes before bed or even earlier. For immediate effects, I find there is no substitute for smoking a joint.

My only advice for those who are interested in cannabis is to go low (dosage) and slow(wait some time before taking more). If you have access to a legal dispensary, the bud tenders are usually quite knowledgeable and can advise you. In the end, it boiled down to a lot of self experimentation and too many Kiva brand dark chocolate bars 🤣. BTW, if you consume too much THC, i.e. you get too high, CBD can help counteract that.

While not an expert, I have years of personal experience under my belt and am happy to share what I have learned. As with anything that has psychoactive effects please do not drive or do anything that requires an unimpaired state of mind to do. I should add that I only use cannabis at night as I still work full time*. Lastly, if you are not in a legal state or simply choose not to use legal dispensaries there is no way to know what you're getting. In my state, the legal dispensaries are very expensive due to high taxes, but I am willing to pay that because I know what I'm getting (this includes if it is organic, indoor or outdoor grow etc.)

* I’m now retired! 6/4/2

Dx IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Jul 23, 2021 12:17AM positive2strong wrote:

scott 1975

My son sent me cbd oil. Will this interfere with the Ibrance I am taking.

I take Ibrance right before I go to sleep and would like to take oil at the same time

Dx 8/23/2016, IDC: Mucinous, Right, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 10/9/2016 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Right); Lymph node removal Dx 6/22/2021, Stage IV, metastasized to bone/liver/lungs, ER+ Radiation Therapy
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Jul 23, 2021 08:06AM exbrnxgrl wrote:

positive,

Please let your mo know that you are planning to use CBD. I do not know if it interferes with Ibrance but your mo should be able to answer that . Take care

Dx IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 3, 2021 03:25PM runor wrote:

In the never ending quest to be happily stoned, functional, NOT couch-locked, NOT shaking with paranoia, not eating my face off, I smoked a blend today.

A blend? you ask with anticipation. Why yes, Dear Reader. A blend. Let me tell you about this blend and about other blends I plan to try and plan to make my husband try because it is his job to try all things I tell him to including that dreadful experiment with tofu that has gone down in family lore as the day I tried to kill him. I did not. It was just tofu. And it was really bad. I digress.

This blast furnace of a summer we are having destroyed my raspberry crop. Those berries withered and died on the canes. But I harvested leaves. Dried them. And this morning I rolled a teeny tiny joint with mostly raspberry leaf with a wee sprinkle of  CBD with perhaps a minute amount of regular pot in there. This is what I found. Raspberry has a clean, green smell dried and an inoffensive smoke. It tends to burn slower than a pure marijuana joint so that gave me time to consume my little joint more leisurely instead of woofing it in in a hurry because it was burning up too fast. It also provided enough bulk filler to roll a quasi smokable joint. I used only the tiniest pinch of pot, a sprinkle. There is no way I could have rolled that without some other bulk agent being in there and raspberry worked perfectly for that. Did it get me high? Obviously not. Does it have other medicinal benefits smoked? Some net research says yes but I can't comment on that at this point. Did it temper ot change the way my body absorbed or used the trace amount of marijuana in the joint? I do not know but this is to me the most interesting point and I want to know where I can find out if smoking other plants with marijuana changes the effect of the marijuana in any way?

I have gathered and dried mullein which I plan to try smoking. Also going to give lavender another try. Tried it once and wasn't sure if it was worthwhile . Kitchen smells amazing as I strip the dry lavender off the stems to bag it up. I saved rose flowers but frankly can't stand the smell of the dried product, which does NOT smell like roses but some other smell that I find very off-putting. If I don't like the smell of it in the bag I doubt burning it and inhaling it will improve anything. So I'm tossing all the roses.

Am tempted to try chamomile and mint if I can find any. They say smoking chamomile has sedative effects where as drinking it as tea before bed makes you have to get up to pee so that defeats the purpose of getting a good sleep. 

If you are looking for a bulk / carrier agent to roll a joint with just a tiny pinch of dope, consider raspberry leaves. I know mine have no fake fertilizers or sprays on them, 100% organic. It was a very, very low key buzz that lasted maybe an hour. By my books and for what I was aiming for, perfect.

Dx 3/23/2017, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 4/12/2017 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph node removal Radiation Therapy 7/5/2017 Whole breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Aug 4, 2021 10:57AM exbrnxgrl wrote:

runor,

You are definitely a cannabis adventurer! I have never experimented with adding any other substances to my weed beyond the various types of hash I’ve been sprinkling in.

Dx IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2021 12:00PM - edited Aug 4, 2021 02:07PM by moth

No smoking for me due to lung mets and lung fibrosis so I've been trying a 30:1 tincture of CBD:THC

4 drops (which the box says is 3 mg of CBD) sublingually at bedtime makes me sleep a long time (but my Fitbit says not enough deep or REM sleep). Vivid dreams and I feel a bit hungover in morning. I will try 1 drop instead. Apparently I'm a total lightweight?

I don't feel anything in the hour that I'm puttering before bedtime after I take it which is sort of disappointing.

I take weekends off

Initial dx at 50. Seriously?? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: Never Tell Me the Odds

Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph node removal Chemotherapy 2/14/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/19/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/26/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/9/2020 External Hormonal Therapy 12/16/2020 Femara (letrozole) Radiation Therapy 3/3/2021 External Local Metastases 3/3/2021 Radiation therapy: Bone Targeted Therapy 1/1/2022 Trodelvy (sacituzumab govitecan-hziy) Chemotherapy 6/1/2022 Other
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Aug 4, 2021 02:02PM runor wrote:

Moth, have you tried vaping?


As a lifelong non-smoker, this whole smoking business is not something I am good at or comfortable with. I've had a few lungfuls of searing, hot smoke and coughed and burned and it was seriously not nice and it made me think, why the hell does anyone do this? (I still think that most of the time to be honest). But my experiments with making tinctures from partly decarbed weed was a bust . Edibles scare me. I think they are just too unpredictable and too easy to over-do it. Effects are slow to come and often long lasting, which is NOT what I am after. So for me, as much as smoking is not my forte, it has been the best way (so far) to acheive the goals I am seeking. But I still detest hot smoke.

So I monkey around trying to invent home built vape objects. Because I am too cheap to spend the $$$ on a real vape pen considering I might do this once every month or every 6 weeks. But my version of vaping has, so far, avoided the massive lungful of hot smoke that I hate so much. It's slow. The effects are very low key - again, that has always been my goal - but I only use low THC bud. I will have to get someone who doesn't mind being stoned out of their gourd to try my vape method with high THC stuff. But I DO mind and will NOT use that pot.

So Moth, if you want to try inhaling pot without direct hot smoke in your lungs, this is my method and what you will need.

-    a long, 10 inches is good,  heat proof (won't shatter when heated) test tube. I use something like a test tube but technically it's not, so I expect to be covered in very hot shattered glass one day.
- a tea light or votive candle
- weed of your choice
-  a hot mat to set your ripping hot test tube on so you don't melt your table or burn a placemat.

Drop a wee pinch of weed in the tube. Cover the open top of the tube with something, a chunk of tin foil crunched on will work. Holding the bottom of your tube(where the dope has fallen to)  about 1/2 inch from the lit flame of your candle, roast your dope. You're not going for the hard burn here. No, this is more like lightly toasting a marshmallow over a campfire than incinerating a hotdog. Turn, rotate, gently bounce the dope around. Take your time. As it heats you will see vapour slowly rising. It's not like smoke so don't expect smoke. If your dope starts to really smoke, you have overcooked it! It will taste like shit. You want that green weed to darken and brown somewhat, but NOT blacken. Keep toasting until your tube shows some mist and perhaps condensation on the inside. If you look into the tube you will see there is light mist swirling.  

To inhale, do NOT clamp your mouth over this lilke a scuba diver on his oxygen. No. Instead gently sip air at the open edge, like a flute player. You can also wait a little bit for the vapour to cool. Inhaling sip-like also allows in cooler surrounding air to prevent and avoid that hot, full on marijuana blast that can send you into cough spasms. This method supposedly allows for the most terpene impact and to get the true 'taste' of your weed. To me it all tastes like shit. 

I have done this several times. I tried this with the raspberry leaves and they would not release vapour at all which tells me they are either still too green or have a much higher combustion temperature. So if I want to use my raspberry leaves they will have to be rolled and smoked in a traditional paper joint. (for which they acted as an amazing, slow burn filler!)

So for the cost of a test tube you can try vaping and see if it's more tolerable to your lungs. The intensity of the 'hit' you take is up to you and how long you let it cool before inhaling is also up to you. Be aware that the test tube gets ripping hot and burning yourself is WAAAAY too easy to do, so be careful.


Dx 3/23/2017, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 4/12/2017 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph node removal Radiation Therapy 7/5/2017 Whole breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Aug 4, 2021 02:26PM exbrnxgrl wrote:

runor,

I crown you the DIY vape queen! My vaping experience has been with both rechargeable vape pens or single use pens. I don’t recall either of the being expensive. For me, vaping caused more of a sore throat than smoking joints so I have stopped. Edibles should not be scary! You can find very low dose per portion products and start with those. Mints can be found at 2.5 mg per dose of THC as well as tincture that are low dose. However, depending on the product, onset of effects can be slow. I use a THC syrup or tincture often. Both come with either a syringe or dropper so it’s easy to control dosing. If used consistently, most people develop a tolerance so higher doses of THC may be needed.

Of course all of this is academic if you don’t live in a legal state.

Dx IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2021 03:30PM moth wrote:

runor, I'm not allowed to vape either because I already have lung damage. I have to baby my lungs now. It's all putting our camping trip to the Okanagan in jeopardy because the smoke might re-trigger pneumonitis which would mean steroids which would mean coming off my systemic immunotherapy treatment again ...and treatment interruptions make me so super nervous.

I thought the tinctures were supposed to be a very effective method with good absorption?



I take weekends off

Initial dx at 50. Seriously?? “Sometimes the future changes quickly and completely and we’re left with only the choice of what to do next." blog: Never Tell Me the Odds

Dx 12/2017, IDC, Left, 1cm, Stage IA, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph node removal Chemotherapy 2/14/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole breast: Breast Dx 2/2020, IDC, Left, Stage IV, metastasized to liver/lungs, Grade 3, ER-/PR-, HER2- Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/19/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab) Chemotherapy 11/26/2020 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Radiation Therapy 12/9/2020 External Hormonal Therapy 12/16/2020 Femara (letrozole) Radiation Therapy 3/3/2021 External Local Metastases 3/3/2021 Radiation therapy: Bone Targeted Therapy 1/1/2022 Trodelvy (sacituzumab govitecan-hziy) Chemotherapy 6/1/2022 Other
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Aug 4, 2021 03:44PM exbrnxgrl wrote:

I really like tinctures, particularly those that work well sublingually (hold product under tongue for 30 seconds). Active ingredients are absorbed more quickly through the mucosal membranes in the mouth. There is still a longer wait for onset of effects than with smoking/vaping which can be unpredictable. You would also need to play around with the various CBD:THC ratios to see what best suits your needs.

For as much as I love cannabis, being a clinical trial of one is still a challenge at times despite my experience

Dx IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Aug 4, 2021 07:15PM runor wrote:

Moth, I am in the Okanagan and I suggest you check air quality before heading up here. It has been brutal. Like...so bad!

I believe that tinctures are good and I would prefer them to smoking. But the tinctures I made myself were NOT good. So it was a failure of my method, not that tinctures are bad.

Exbrnx - for me half the fun is in inventing. I think in another life I might have been a mad scientist. That would explain that unfortunate tofu incident.

Dx 3/23/2017, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 4/12/2017 Lumpectomy; Lumpectomy (Left); Lymph node removal Radiation Therapy 7/5/2017 Whole breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)

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