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Posted on: Apr 19, 2011 08:02PM

mackers67 wrote:

Hi

I was just wondering I hardly drink anyway but interested, in case I need to start!!! Lol... Is it that alcohol turns to surgar or wine contains hormones??

After reading lots of info on diet, I am slowly coming to the conclusion that it is being overweight and the layers of fat round the belly that contains lots of the hormones as after pregnancy that adds to the problem... Healthy eating of course is great as it controls fat intake...

Does anybody know about the alcohol question?

Xxxx

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Apr 19, 2011 08:10PM dawn31337 wrote:

The liver filters out the alcohol, and the toxins they pump into you with chemo.  It is doing double duty while getting chemo.  I didn't abstain.  Anything in moderation is ok in my book. Cheers.

IDC stage IIa 2cm,grade3,TN, 1/6 nodes. BLM 10/15/10,4xAC;4xdd T Done!!! BRCA1/2 neg TE exchange 4/12. DONE! Nipple 7/18, didn't heal right...new implant on left 8/17.New TE on left 8/24.Exchange 12/13.Good to know NED! Tattoo 6/21
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Apr 20, 2011 02:28AM mackers67 wrote:

Hi

Tnx for your reply, I just wondered all the studies etc... What part of alcohol or why is it deemed so bad for breast cancer.

Xxx

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Apr 20, 2011 08:26AM Annabella58 wrote:

they are only going by studies, where women who regularly have four or five drinks a week, have been shown to have more bc.

there is speculation that alcohol for some reason raises estrogen levels.

the Oncologist and the nutritionist both told me that two drinks (wine or beer, not Jack daniels :) ) a week is AOK.

during chemo, yes, abstain.  Your liver is already strained.

there is absolutely no evidence about the sugar controversy.  It has not been shown to mean a thing either way. 

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Apr 20, 2011 01:11PM marybast wrote:

Alcohol is acidic, cancerous tissues are acidic whereas healthy tissues are alkaline. At a pH slightly above 7.4, cancer cells become dormant. At a pH of 8.5 healthy cells will live but cancer cells will die. Of course, moderation is a healthy attitude. If you have digestive problems, however, especially acid reflux, that means your body is more acidic than alkaline -- that's my situation, so I've eliminated alcohol completely.

See my blog at theonlygateisnow.blogspot.com Dx 12/22/2010, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Apr 20, 2011 01:43PM Annabella58 wrote:

mary, do you have a study to back that up?  I'd be really interested to read it, thank you!

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Apr 20, 2011 03:55PM hymil wrote:

it's bad because it gives you hangovers and the state makes a lot of tax-money from you. Oh, and your car don't respond so well what you clearly told it to do. silly car.

I  guess when you drink too much, you say "Stuff the stupid diet anyhow! Laughing" or "So I have cancer, yeah and...???" Part of me thinks they just want to keep us miserable - no smoke, no drink, no chocolate... Do you really live longer, or does it just feel that way? Sorry i got no science for you. "Healthy" eating (eg asparagus LOL) conatins a totally inadequte amount of endorphins, you have to eat chocolate or lie in the sun for ten hours a day, or both, . I'm sure they will soon find exactly what is the mystery element in alcohol.

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Apr 20, 2011 04:04PM Anjanita wrote:

Just dropping in to mention that beverage alcohol is equivalent.  That is, the amount of alcohol you receive in drinking a glass of wine, a bottle of beer or a shot of whiskey is roughly the same amount of C2H5OH, ethel alcohol.

Why some people think these are different in effect has more to do with the various methods of distilling and the resultant congeners, or ingredients other than alcohol, which result.

Obviously if you drink a shot of whiskey, as opposed to a bottle of beer, you are going to ingest the alcohol faster, but it is the same alcohol - beverage alcohol.

That said, I'm all about moderation when it comes to issues of health.

Gratitude is the attitude! Dx 10/2010, ILC, Stage II, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
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Apr 20, 2011 05:54PM marybast wrote:

Hi anniealso, no I don't have a specific study describing what I wrote about acidity and cancer. One I found says that cancer creates acidity but doesn't feed on it. If you Google research+acidity+cancer you find support for what I said and articles that refute it. One I found says our immune system is compromised when our alkaline/acidity balance is off, and no one argues that healthy immune systems can better fight off cancer. Most will agree that an alkaline diet fights against cancer for all kinds of reasons, whether it has to do with alkalinity or other benefits from all the greens... so.. I extrapolated and decided if I'm going to go wrong, I'll err on the side of caution. I do know I'm happier since I quite drinking alcohol, and I weigh less!

See my blog at theonlygateisnow.blogspot.com Dx 12/22/2010, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Apr 20, 2011 10:43PM Anjanita wrote:

hymil, I'm laughing out loud!  All too true.Tongue out

Gratitude is the attitude! Dx 10/2010, ILC, Stage II, Grade 1, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+
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Apr 21, 2011 05:50AM mackers67 wrote:

Hi.

Thx for ur replies, I wasn't really asking should we drink or not.. As if I fancy glass of wine occasionally I have one... It was just with the new 'big' thing abt sugar... is it was from that perspective wine alcohol was deemed to be bad or the eastogen factor?

It's interesting and I'm not talking the odd glass the studies were talking over 3 glasses night where they thought possible link to bc????
Tnx xx

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Apr 21, 2011 09:08PM dawn31337 wrote:

I am triple negative and from what I have read, mine's not related to alcohol.  Or not *as* related to alcohol...whatever.  I like a drink now and then.  I personally believe moderation is key.  I'm not going to stop doing what I want because of a lump in my breast.  Bigger, faster, stronger, louder.  F it, this crap isn't changing me.  That means (to me) the cancer wins.

IDC stage IIa 2cm,grade3,TN, 1/6 nodes. BLM 10/15/10,4xAC;4xdd T Done!!! BRCA1/2 neg TE exchange 4/12. DONE! Nipple 7/18, didn't heal right...new implant on left 8/17.New TE on left 8/24.Exchange 12/13.Good to know NED! Tattoo 6/21
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Apr 21, 2011 09:26PM Laurie08 wrote:

Dawn-  Standing ovation coming from me!

I like a drink now and then.  I personally believe moderation is key.  I'm not going to stop doing what I want because of a lump in my breast.  Bigger, faster, stronger, louder.  F it, this crap isn't changing me.  That means (to me) the cancer wins.

Bilateral Mastectomy on 6/30/10 Exchange surgery 1/10/11 Dx 4/22/2010, DCIS, 1cm, Stage 0, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+
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Apr 21, 2011 11:45PM Luan wrote:

First time i hear "+" is related to alcohol. Do u mind sharing
ur source. Txs

Don't knock at death's door. Ring the bell and run. He hates that. Dx 10/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 1, 2/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 22, 2011 11:17AM mackers67 wrote:

Hi

As I said i wasn't really asking should we drink, but just the question is it the Er+ situation, as in we are advised not to have flax seed. Or was it the sugar side if it that has made alcohol topical with regards breast cancer.

I don't think alcohol causes breast cancer and everyone should do exactly as they like, but I was wondering from purely the theory point of view.?

Love xxxx

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Apr 23, 2011 02:27PM marybast wrote:

I'm all for moderation and would have a glass of wine with dinner if I weren't trying to heal acid reflux, but my body is already acidic and I want a stronger immune system. Also, I was having a cocktail AND a glass or two of wine, so I wasn't really a moderate drinker. Yay for all who thumb their noses at cancer.

See my blog at theonlygateisnow.blogspot.com Dx 12/22/2010, ILC, 1cm, Stage I, Grade 1, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Apr 23, 2011 05:06PM Luan wrote:

Hi Mackers, I should have been more precise, I was
asking Dawn about her statement.

Probably the sugar, the alcohol plus all the chemicals
ie in wine are the culprits :)

Don't knock at death's door. Ring the bell and run. He hates that. Dx 10/2009, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 1, 2/5 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 23, 2011 05:44PM dlb823 wrote:

I was somewhat undecided about drinking wine until I read this:

http://www.breastcancer.org/risk/new_research/20100824b.jsp 

UCLA (where I had a lot of my tx) suggests limiting alcohol to special occasions and then going lightly -- like one glass of wine.  I've never cared much for beer, but now if I'm out and feel like a drink, I might order the lightest beer that's available.  But, as others have said, we each have to decide what we're willing to give up, and if alcohol isn't one of them, then maybe eliminate some other known risk factors -- unless you subscribe to the "we have absolutely no control and it's a total crap shoot theory," which I personally don't.     Deanna

Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Apr 16, 2012 08:31PM IllinoisNancy wrote:

Do any of you know if NA beer is ok?  Now that summer is just around the corner, I would like to have a couple of these when the family is out on the lake.  I have never liked pop and sometimes water is boring.

Thanks,

Nancy

Pleomorphic Invasive Breast cancer three times 2006, 2010 and 2016, IBrance and Femara, NET Cancer in stomach and liver 2015, Sandostatin
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Apr 16, 2012 08:35PM msphil wrote:

I believe that alchohol can make matters worse while going through treatment, I wanted to give myself the best possible chance of making it, doing all the healthy things I could, the studies I read said that is not good for cancer patients but o each its own,  msphil (idc, stage2, 0/3 nodes, L mast, chemo and rads and 5 yrs on Tamoxifen) and Praise God I am a 18 yr Survivor) 

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Apr 17, 2012 07:13AM Racy wrote:

Msphil, have you drunk alcohol after treatment?

Dx 2010, ILC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/22 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-
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Apr 17, 2012 07:15AM sweetbean wrote:

I don't drink at all.  One of my oncologists said it was really risky for any cancer patient to drink.

Dx 11/18/2010, ILC, 5cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 2/15 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+ (FISH)
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Apr 17, 2012 07:34AM camillegal wrote:

I'm certainy not advocating drinking, but I do know I was brought up drinking a glass of red wine everynite after dinner--if we wanted it. And all of my life wine was around, my sister stil drinks her wine every nite with mets for 5 yrs now, my dad was 96 and my mom who dealt with cancer and alot of problems was 88 and til the end they drank their wine.???? Occasionally I have a glass of red wine but not often, but my sister feels better than Ido so who knows.

Dx 2007, Stage IV, 24/38 nodes, HER2+

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