Posted on: Jun 26, 2013 01:36PM
Has anyone adopted the ketogenic diet?
Is there another thread that discusses all things keto?
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Jun 30, 2013 10:21AM - edited Jul 4, 2013 11:47PM by jnprsn
Very similar. The book I've been learning from is the Cantin Ketogenic Diet.
Jul 20, 2013 10:17PM cburke51986 wrote:
I just started reading up on this approach to treating BC. I fast before each chemo treatment, and this essentially does the same thing (or is supposed to) over a longer period of time, so I plan on starting tomorrow. I figure I'm already stage 4, so what's the worst that could happen? I feel pretty good about it honestly, as there is some pretty sound scientific evidence backing it. I'm still trying to gather as much info on it as I can. If you want we could always compare notes/ progress. Good Luck! I know I love my bread, rice, and noodles so it's going to be tough!!
Jul 23, 2013 07:30AM jnprsn wrote:
So far, I've been able to remove sugar and alcohol from my diet.
I still eat organic whole wheat bread, organic oatmeal, and organic pasta.
I've switched from sugar-filled Organic dairy milk to gmo-free almond milk.
I check labels for soy too (make my own mayo).
I incorporate protein into every meal. I still eat organic cheese, eggs, and butter.
I take 2 tablespoons coconut oil "down the hatch" daily.
So although healthy, I still have a long way to go to make it ketogenic.
Jul 26, 2013 09:10AM zogo wrote:
Here is a great article about it. http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/one-healthy-day-at-a-time/entry/ketogenic-diet-effective-against-metastatic-cancer
Jul 26, 2013 09:14AM zogo wrote:
I've been eatinlg low carb for 2 years now. I don't push it on people, but am happy to give information if someone shows interest. It's funny how some people think it would be impossible to follow. Really, it just takes some determination and I can always find good food to eat almost anywhere I go. I've lost 30 lbs in the process, with 20 more that I'd like to lose.
I sleep better, feel better and am rarely hungry. I've found lots of great recipes that I'd be happy to share. My favorites include a mini-cheesecake muffin. And a muffin in a minute that is great for breakfast.
Jul 26, 2013 03:57PM jnprsn wrote:
Those 2 recipes sound divine. Care to post?
Jul 26, 2013 08:35PM cowgal wrote:
Does anyone have a good meal replacement low carb protein shake recipe they are willing to share?
Zogo - I've thought about going low carb two days a week and then eating sensibly the rest of the week. I had seen a study that showed this was a good way to lose weight. Are you doing Atkins or some other low carb program?
Aug 21, 2013 09:07PM BethCon1 wrote:
This diet came highly suggested for me, and it has me curious. How is everyone doing on it?
Sep 6, 2013 05:38PM VivianS wrote:
I am starting the ketogenic diet today! Anyone else out their? I am Stage 4 and have not yet found anything that will stop tumor growth. I think this diet is do-able. Starve the cancer cells!
Sep 7, 2013 04:59AM Heidihill wrote:
I'm not very good with diets but I do find that trying to eat 8 portions of fruits and veggies daily doesn't leave much room for high carb foods. I don't know if that is ketogenic. I do eat nuts and a salad with extra virgin olive oil everyday. Exercising vigorously also probably puts me in fat-burning mode at some point in the day. And increases oxygen uptake, although not as much as in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. (Thanks for the link, zogo.)
Sep 10, 2013 11:40AM VivianS wrote:
The ketogenic diet is extremely restrictive of carbohydrates, even fruits, and warns of not over doing exercise because that messes with metabolism. It is sort of like the Atkins Diet gone wild. The ketogenic diet goes against what i thought was right about food. Cancer cells can ONLY eat sugar, so I am trying to starve them. I never would have believed I would do this, but at stage 4 we get desperate. With my bones filled with cancer and "suspicious" spots on my liver, I am ready to eat only cardboard if i think it might help! It helps that I have lost my appetite. Try googling "Ketogenic diets and cancer" to learn more. I am giving it until my next scan. (I am getting scans every 9 weeks as I am on a clinical trial). I will keep you posted.
Sep 20, 2013 07:43AM - edited Sep 20, 2013 07:48AM by zogo
Sorry ladies, I had not bookmarked this thread and lost track.
Vivian, you don't have to eat food that tastes like cardboard. The keto diet is full of REALLY delicious food.
This week, I made my own pizza crust and also tried a new cauliflower casserole that was amazing. I liked it better than mashed potatoes!
Eggs, cheese, avocados, meat, veggies, nuts (pecans, walnuts, macadamia, almonds) grass-fed butter, organic heavy whipping cream in my coffee, are just some of the great foods I eat every day. My "dessert" lately is frozen blueberries, sometimes with fresh whipped cream. I bought one of those iSI cream whippers and just add some vanilla and a few drops of stevia. Yumm
There are so many great options. I have a huge file of recipes I want to try. This is so doable.
Also, I don't think exercise is very restricted. I should exercise more than I do. More light weights and walking is on my agenda.
Sep 22, 2013 07:42PM VivianS wrote:
Oh! I did not mean the foods on the keto diet taste like cardboard...I was just trying to say I will go to extreme measures to kill my cancer! No, I am eating well on the keto diet. I have lost 8 pounds without trying (153 to 145) since I started Sept 6, but that j not my aim. My aim is to stall my tumor growth.
I have my next scan on Oct 10 and am hoping for good news. I am on a clinical trial but they have been holding my (oral) chemo until my platelets come up. This is not diet related. I want to do everything I can, but am afraid to stop the"big guns" (chemo and medical treatments)
I would love to see some of your favorite recipes, zogo! Are you staying in ketogenesis? My blood keto level was 2.2 and glucose 75 this morning. That is as close as I have gotten to the 3-4 keto and 55-65 glucose level I am supposed to be at. I have been avoiding dairy, but think I will try to add the dairy fats this week. Thanks for listening!
Sep 22, 2013 09:17PM odie16 wrote:
Zogo, I would love the cheesecake muffin recipe if you don't mind sharing... Have been doing the low carb/Mediterranean type diet for a few years now and agree that you can eat very well.
I would love a low carb smoothie recipe as I am now doing smoothies which I love. Bought some fresh kale at the local farmers market this weekend to add to it this week.
Sep 22, 2013 11:35PM zogo wrote:
odie, do you make kale chips? It is a great way to get the kale in!
ok here is the version of the muffins I use. There are lots of variations.
makes 5-6 (I always double the recipe and keep them in the fridge)
8 oz cream cheese soft
1/8 cup sour cream
1/8 cup sugar free caramel flavored syrup (like Torani or Davinci coffee syrups) any flavor can be used.
Preheat oven to 350
Use mixer on cream cheese until smooth, add remainder of ingredients and mix well.
Put in muffin liners (I like the silicone ones) Bake for 18 minutes. Open oven door a little and let cool for 30 minutes or so. Move to counter to finish cooling. Refrigerate.
It will be hard not to try one when hot, but they are much better when chilled. You can serve them with fresh berries and sf whipped cream for a special treat.
Sep 23, 2013 03:43PM VivianS wrote:
Zogo, I would love that cauliflower casserole recipe! All advice and help is welcome!
The reason I mentioned keeping activity down was because I read that this will help to get into ketosis when starting out the diet. I have read everything that I can get my hands on with this new (to me) approach to using diet as a treatment for cancer. I am scared to death because all my cancer treatments are not stopping tumor growth at this time (hopefully slowing it, though...). I have never eaten this "keto" way and it looks like I have spent an entire lifetime eating incorrectly with wrong assumptions. Any diet I have been on has always involved low fat , calorie counting, with exercise followed by eventual sugar craving and subsequent guilt. This is a whole new world to me. It is not a diet, but a lifestyle. I am also studying vits, minerals and herbs that are helpful. I have no one to bounce this off at home so any feedback from you all is much appreciated.
Sep 23, 2013 04:06PM - edited Sep 23, 2013 04:07PM by SelenaWolf
I've tried this approach and - to my disappointment - my body just starts to shut down. I'm too active and need the carbs or I just lose way to much weight, bordering on anorectic. My energy plummets, I sleep all the time, my digestive system malfunctions, I suffer muscle atrophy. My body just won't process the fats as energy and I start to encounter too many physical issues.
Sep 23, 2013 05:52PM VivianS wrote:
Thanks for your input Selena. I hope my body can handle it. What kind of foods are you eating now? I think if I have trouble I will just try to keep the raw sugars, sweets and processed foods away. It helps that I have more time to prepare and plan my meals now because I am out of work right now with SSDI and short term disability.
Sep 24, 2013 09:00AM - edited Sep 24, 2013 10:33AM by zogo
Selena, I'm sorry to hear this way of eating was difficult for you. And rather than trying to gain, I'm on the side of needing to lose some more weight before my final reconstruction. How long did you try it for? I will admit that the first 4-5 days for me (and up to 2 weeks for some, apparantly) is very miserable. I am crabby, exhausted, lethargic, starving and craving anything sweet or carby. But, once I actually get into ketosis (I use ketostix to affirm it) around day 5, I get this great boost of energy, I sleep so much better, my hunger goes way down and I am even thinking more clearly.
Here is the link to the recipe for the cauliflower casserole. It is a bit spicy (which I like), but I used just a few pickled jalapenos rather than fresh.
Don't know why I can't get it to link to the site. There are tons of great recipes on "I Breathe I'm Hungry".
If you want me to post it directly on here, I could do that, too.
Sep 24, 2013 09:14AM - edited Sep 24, 2013 09:15AM by SelenaWolf
Six months. Then my doctor and husband begged me to quit. I was so disappointed, but my weight plummeted and I was in a horrid state. Nowadays, I don't restrict myself from anything; just watch my portion sizes and keep everything in moderation. I try to eat like a European; full-fat, but in small portions. Dairy, but - again - in small portions and not every day. I don't really like meat, so I don't eat a lot of that, but I do eat chicken, fish and seafood. Whole grains and pasta. Legumes. A glass of wine now- and then. I don't have a sweet tooth, so that's easy. Coffee and tea; black. I make from scratch wherever possible, even my bread and pasta. Since I can't do ketonic, I do "whole food". I love this time of year because the quality of the produce is so wonderful... made a Rustic Heirloom Tomato Pie last week with Brandywine and Carolina Gold tomatoes from the garden, with freshly-picked basil and chives, also from the garden.
I'm 5' 7" and have, finally, evened out at 130 lbs. I walk 10 miles a week and cycle or hike on the weekends. I like to MOVE!
Sep 24, 2013 10:13AM TwoHobbies wrote:
I am excited to find this thread. I recently read again a book I have by Gary Taubes focusing on the parts about cancer and became pretty convinced we should be restricting carbs. What struck me is primitive peoples did not have hardly any cancer until they came into contact with Europeans and started eating grains and sugar. So I started a low carb diet last week. I don't think I'm low carb enough to be ketogenic but I'm restricting carbs to 72 per day. I thought ketogenic was mostly protein and fat. Am I incorrect or incorrect in that notion?
Those cheesecake muffins sound delicious. I definitely want to try that. I'm a little nervous about using the artificial sweeteners but I'm allowing it now until I can wean off.
Sep 24, 2013 10:47AM - edited Sep 24, 2013 10:49AM by zogo
Selena, sorry it didn't work for you. I'd love to be your weight! And I'm and inch shorter
TwoHobbies, I agree with you on the artificial sweeteners. When I started cooking low carb, I bought a giant bag of Splenda at Costco. The more I read, the less I used and ended up throwing pretty much the full bag out. I use stevia and erythritol. Lots of recipes call for a sweetener called Swerve that I have recently purchased. I found stevia glycerate, so just a few drops are needed. It comes in flavored and plain. I've also found monk fruit sweetener that seems to have really low impact on the glycemic index and no aftertaste. I have read some people get a headache from Monk Fruit, but it doesn't seem to bother me.
The Gary Taubes' book is fantastic. There is also a new book that came out just last week called "Grain Brain" by a neurologist, Dr. Perlmutter. My father died of dementia, and this book is even more validation for my eating low carb. I heard it is already on the best seller list.
As far as fat, I don't watch it so closely that I keep track of percentages. (Although I probably should). I try to limit my carbs to 20-30 per day though. And I'm adding some good fats like coconut oil, butter, fish oil. It is hard for people to get their head around the fact that saturated fat does not cause heart disease. And that cancer cells feed on sugar ...and sugar comes from eating carbs.
So, between cancer, heart disease and dememtia all in my family, I know this is the right way for me to eat and have the best chance for a long healthy life.
Sep 24, 2013 11:01AM - edited Sep 24, 2013 11:02AM by SelenaWolf
All food is converted to blood sugar, not just carbs; it's how our bodies fuel themselves. However, I did read somewhere (been wracking my brain where) that, since blood sugar spikes after every meal, we should be eating more frequently (not just three meals) to help lessen that periodic blood sugar "jolt"; even it out or lessen it's effect, so to speak. Anyone heard of this?
Sep 24, 2013 11:17AM zogo wrote:
Not all foods are converted to sugar. Once you use up all the glucose in your system, your body is fueled by ketones which is a more efficient form of energy and doesn't feed cancer cells.
Here is a good article and video briefly explaining it.
Sep 24, 2013 01:10PM TwoHobbies wrote:
Zogo I am totally brainwashed on the saturated fat thing since I have early heart disease in my family. In fact that's also why I ate a lot of carbs because that was the advice of the day. More and more that appears to be wrong. So I'm loosening up some on that but still concentrating on the monounsaturated fats yet hoping it's OK to eat nitrite free bacon once a week!
I do have stevia but it seems Splenda tastes better in coffee. I'll have to look into some of those others you mention.
Sep 28, 2013 04:30AM - edited Sep 28, 2013 05:01AM by zogo
I don't know why I can't get this to link in. Copy and paste to see how sugar feeds cancer.
Sep 28, 2013 04:37AM - edited Sep 28, 2013 04:37AM by zogo
Yes, saturated fats can be great for you. I actually need to track mine in order to eat MORE fat. It is the LCHF (low carb high fat) diet that requires at least 60% fat in order to be healthy. The good fats I eat are coconut oil, butter, avocado oil and avocados, and olive oil. I'm also looking into Medium Chain Tryglycerides oil.
Sep 30, 2013 09:10PM VivianS wrote:
Thanks for the links, zogo. I also suggest reading Dr. Seyfried's book "Cancer as a metabolic disease: the Origin, Management, and Prevention of Cancer". Unfortunately, I had to come out of ketosis to deal with my severe nausea and vomiting with my last dose of chemo, but I plan to get back on track this next week.