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Posted on: Nov 16, 2014 01:05PM

SallyS70 wrote:

Because my cancer was estrogen positive, I am trying to avoid soy.  While reading my100% whole wheat bread label, I noticed that it contains both soy lethicin and soy oil.  Do any of you know if these two ingredients should be avoided by those who are estrogen positive?  Both seem to be in a lot of foods.  I even read that vegetable oil is often soy oil although that is not said.  Thank you for any knowledge you can share.

Dx 10/28/2013, DCIS Dx 10/28/2013, IDC, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 11/12/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Hormonal Therapy 12/2/2013 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 1/5/2014
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Nov 16, 2014 09:59PM ruthbru wrote:

It has been so long ago now that I research it that I can't even remember my sources, but what I found said that soy lethicin was okay. Not sure about the soy oil.

"Invisible threads are the strongest ties." Friedrich Nietzsche Dx 2/2007, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/11 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Nov 16, 2014 10:05PM mel147 wrote:

My IDC was 77% ER+ and 27% PR+. I saw a nutritionist in October who recommended I avoid soy protein, soy oil and ground flaxseed (I have also seen this listed as flax meal). She said soy lecithin would be 'ok.' I was bummed...some of my favorite salad dressings are made with soy oil. I've found some substitutes, but I don't like them as much!! Good look with the dietary changes!

Dx 6/12/2014, DCIS, 6cm+ Dx 7/16/2014, IDC, <1cm, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 7/16/2014 Lymph node removal: Left, Right, Sentinel; Mastectomy: Right; Prophylactic mastectomy: Left
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Nov 18, 2014 09:49AM SallyS70 wrote:

Thank you Ruth and Mel for responding.  I have been reading labels more closely.  Soy oil is in a lot of foods.

Dx 10/28/2013, DCIS Dx 10/28/2013, IDC, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 11/12/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Hormonal Therapy 12/2/2013 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 1/5/2014
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Nov 19, 2014 12:36AM Blessings2011 wrote:

SallyS70 - I am 100% ER+. My MO is awesome... a brilliant researcher, compassionate MD, and highly regarded among her peers.

The only thing she told me about soy was to switch from soy milk every morning to Lactaid, and don't eat things like tofu or edamame as my primary sources of protein.

She said that foods with soy products named way down the list of ingredients are fine. She said there have been no clinical studies showing a direct link between breast cancer growth or recurrence and these items.

So that's what I do. Avoid the major stuff; don't sweat the small stuff. I do read labels obsessively, though, just so I am aware what I'm putting in my body. I think it's more about balance than anything else.

Dx 9/15/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 12/4/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 8/21/2012 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 9/4/2012 Arimidex (anastrozole) Hormonal Therapy 10/21/2013 Femara (letrozole)
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Nov 19, 2014 11:35AM dlb823 wrote:

Sally, from what I've read and been told by docs @ UCLA, a moderate amount of soy -- assuming you've always eaten it and like it -- are okay, with the exception of soy protein isolate, which is concentrated soy, so not good for us. In addition to straight soy protein powder (which is soy protein isolate), most protein bars, protein drinks, and a lot of meat substitutes are made with soy protein isolate, so you have to read labels and should avoid it.

As far as soy lecithin and soy oil, I don't think the small amount of them in bread should be a problem. But most of the US soy crop is GMO, and due to the way the soy beans are processed, those two soy products are said to contain a concentrated amount of toxic sludge. That, more than the estrogenic effect, seems to be the concern about getting too much of them from multiple sources, including some supplements that use them as binders and fillers.

If you're concerned about it, it shouldn't be that hard to find a different bread -- maybe one that uses organic soy oil, if at all. Deanna


Deanna "The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears" Native American proverb Dx 2/1/2008, 1cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 1/16 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/3/2014, Stage IV
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Nov 23, 2014 01:11PM - edited Nov 23, 2014 01:12PM by SallyS70

Blessings and dlb, thank you for responding.  I am keeping this thread in my favorites niche so that I can reread all 4 responses when I panic about soy lethicin and soy oil.  I continue to be amazed at how many foods contain these two ingredients.  Reading labels has become a hobby.  I am trying to cut back on processed foods which I hear is a good thing even if the soy leth and soy oil is not a major problem. 

Thanks again Ruth, Mel, Blessings and dlb!

Dx 10/28/2013, DCIS Dx 10/28/2013, IDC, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 11/12/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Hormonal Therapy 12/2/2013 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 1/5/2014
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Nov 23, 2014 03:41PM - edited Nov 23, 2014 03:42PM by ruthbru

It is always healthier to eat less processed foods, so it is good to cut back on them with, or without, cancer. I think that moderation is the key in all things. While you wouldn't want to eat a diet consisting exclusively of soy burgers (gag), and eating natural food is best, a small amount here and there is not going to make a difference. 

"Invisible threads are the strongest ties." Friedrich Nietzsche Dx 2/2007, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/11 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2-
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Nov 23, 2014 04:10PM Nancy2581 wrote:

I just looked at my bottle of vitamin D3 that my MO told me to take daily. First ingredient is soybean oil. These capsules are tiny. Is this a problem?

Nancy

2.8 cm tumor with LVI Dx 6/11/2014, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 6/24/2014 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Chemotherapy 7/22/2014 AC + T (Taxol) Hormonal Therapy 1/28/2015 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 1/29/2015 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 12/17/2017 Femara (letrozole)
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Nov 28, 2014 08:15PM SallyS70 wrote:

Nancy ... I am sorry that no one has responded to your question ... I do not know the answer. 

Dx 10/28/2013, DCIS Dx 10/28/2013, IDC, Stage IA, 0/1 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- Surgery 11/12/2013 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Hormonal Therapy 12/2/2013 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 1/5/2014
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Nov 28, 2014 10:35PM Nancy2581 wrote:

thanks SallyS70 - I think when this bottle is empty I will just look for another vitamin D3 without soybean oil.

Nancy

2.8 cm tumor with LVI Dx 6/11/2014, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 6/24/2014 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Chemotherapy 7/22/2014 AC + T (Taxol) Hormonal Therapy 1/28/2015 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 1/29/2015 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 12/17/2017 Femara (letrozole)
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Nov 28, 2014 10:41PM Jenwith4kids wrote:

Nancy, I switched my vitamin D to one made with olive oil. I think the brand is "now", Amazon has it

So many changes since 1/8/2014 - Much good has come from the bad, and I do remember to allow myself the fact that "it's okay to not be okay". Looking forward to having this further and further behind me each day. Dx 1/9/2014, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIIA, Grade 2, 5/14 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 2/14/2014 Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Surgery 2/14/2014 Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 2/14/2014 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary Chemotherapy 3/20/2014 AC Chemotherapy 5/15/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel) Surgery 9/2/2014 Prophylactic ovary removal Radiation Therapy 9/8/2014 Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 9/12/2014 Arimidex (anastrozole) Hormonal Therapy 3/5/2015 Femara (letrozole) Surgery 4/27/2015 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right)
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Nov 29, 2014 12:10PM Nancy2581 wrote:

oh thanks for that and on Amazon too - perfect! I have prime

Nancy

2.8 cm tumor with LVI Dx 6/11/2014, IDC, Right, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 1, 1/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 6/24/2014 Lumpectomy: Right; Lymph node removal: Right, Sentinel Chemotherapy 7/22/2014 AC + T (Taxol) Hormonal Therapy 1/28/2015 Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone) Radiation Therapy 1/29/2015 Whole-breast: Breast, Lymph nodes Hormonal Therapy 12/17/2017 Femara (letrozole)
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Nov 29, 2014 12:26PM glennie19 wrote:


Trader Joe's Vitamin D also used olive oil, no soy.

Fibromyalgia and Truncal Lymphedema,,, some of the fun things I live with. Total hysterecomy 9/29/14 Prophy MX Righty 11/30/17 Dx 6/27/2013, Paget's, 1cm, Stage 0, Grade 3, 0/6 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 8/8/2013 Lymph node removal: Left, Sentinel; Mastectomy: Left Dx DCIS
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Nov 29, 2014 12:36PM rozem wrote:

what about soy sauce?

FEC-DH, LUMP, 25 RADS, TAMOX, BMSX with LD flap (worst surgery ever) Dx 8/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Nov 29, 2014 01:12PM leggo wrote:

I would suppose it depends on how much soya sauce you use. We go through tons, so I make it myself. Here's the recipe. 

https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/86/topic/824047?page=1#post_4137401


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Nov 29, 2014 10:01PM Blessings2011 wrote:

Just saw my MO last week for my three-year check.

According to her most recent information, the latest clinical research shows that soy has no effect - good OR bad - on BC. So I am cleared to have as much as I want. And yes, I am 100%ER+, and yes, my MO is a brilliant researcher.

I still believe in all things in moderation, though... Winking

Dx 9/15/2011, IDC, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 2, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 12/4/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 8/21/2012 Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Hormonal Therapy 9/4/2012 Arimidex (anastrozole) Hormonal Therapy 10/21/2013 Femara (letrozole)
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Dec 1, 2014 12:16AM rozem wrote:

thx leggo i will try that !

Blessings. Interesting. Seems like things change...so hard to keep up!

FEC-DH, LUMP, 25 RADS, TAMOX, BMSX with LD flap (worst surgery ever) Dx 8/2011, IDC, 2cm, Stage IIA, Grade 3, 0/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2+
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Dec 2, 2014 11:47PM mmb1234 wrote:

I would be so interested in more information about soy and estrogen + bc. I have been reading labels and am so surprised at where it pops up and do my best to avoid it. Have thrown out any vitamin E oil that was soy based (but found one at Whole Foods that is sunflower/safflower oil based). I take a nature made vit. D supplement that does not have soy on the ingredient list. Curious too about the differences between vit D capsules and oil? I am seeing a new MO next week, and trying to compile a list of questions for her. Welcome any thoughts on any of the above!



Dx 9/13/2013, IDC, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 2/11 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 10/1/2013 Lymph node removal: Left, Underarm/Axillary; Mastectomy: Left; Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement Chemotherapy 11/5/2013 AC Chemotherapy 1/29/2014 Taxol (paclitaxel)

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