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Forum: IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma) — Just diagnosed, in treatment, or finished treatment for IDC.

Posted on: Jul 30, 2020 09:01PM

Cindimay77 wrote:

I am struggling with this subject. It is a very small problem in the scheme of things, but I really have enjoyed wine in my life, and now I feel like I can’t have it - and when I do I think it will bring my cancer back? My Onco did not say anything about what I can or cannot have anymore, and when I asked about foods and juicing he had no advice...but I found out through good old google that alcohol can increase estrogen?

I google everything I expose my body too now since my diagnosis And I Juice daily, and have stopped birth control pills, I have stopped dairy (ILOVE CHEESE and milk!) I have stopped meat - I am now a vegetarian, I buy organic make up and lotion and Paraben free hair products, I have stopped sugar to the best of my ability, i have gone organic, I threw out all plastic containers and switched to glass - but WINE too? It seems I have to give up so much that I really loved.

I used to have a glass of wine or two quite often Before my diagnosis, and now I am having a glass or two on Friday nights, and maybe saturdays, but I feel incredibly guilty about it...

What is everyone else doing? Google says no drinking AT ALL, or 1 glass per day, or one per week, I am confused!

I was doingnosed With IDC 1.3 cm stage 1A ER/Progesterone positive Onco score was low

I had a lumpectomy March 3 2020 and finished Radiation May 1

I am taking Tamaxofin since 5-5

Cheers ladies and HUGS to all of you - I am so happy we can all lean on each other..


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Jul 30, 2020 09:27PM NorCalS wrote:

Hi. I live in wine country and enjoy wine as well. While I was on AC-T (June-Nov 2019), I did not have any alcohol. I cut out most carbs (less than 20 grams a day), ate organic, etc. During radiation (January - March 2020), I would have a glass here and there and like you, I felt incredibly guilty. I started Xeloda in March of 2020 and I do not drink while on chemo, but during my week off (2 weeks on chemo and 1 week off), I enjoy a glass or two of wine. I see it as a treat. Prior to my diagnosis (triple negative BC), I usually had wine with dinner. Now, I have a glass about twice a week during my week off of chemo. It's something that I look forward to and I gave up so much in my diet that I give myself a break on the wine. My doctors do not know much about nutrition and have very little advice on this subject. The ladies on this website seem to know much more and hopefully, one of the wise ones will give us some advice

Dx: 06/2019, left breast, ER/PR-, Her2-. Treatment: 06/2019 - 11/2019 AC/T. Surgery: Lumpectomy with axillary dissection in 12/2019. Radiation: 01/2020-03/2020. Xeloda - 03/2020-09/2020
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Jul 30, 2020 10:07PM Beesie wrote:

After going through a breast cancer diagnosis, what's important to me is ensuring that I enjoy my life. Breast cancer takes away enough - I am not going to give up life's pleasures.

That said, of course it's true that maintaining a healthy diet and lifestyle is smart for overall health. But the relationship between diet and breast cancer risk is not so clear. I love dairy and eat a lot of it - and that's on the advice of my oncologist and PCP, because it's important for my bones (I have osteopenia). Low fat dairy does not increase breast cancer risk - and in fact some studies suggest it lowers risk. High fat dairy is the problem, and I avoid high fat diary, except for the occasional treat of some yummy cheese and butter on fresh bread (nothing better in the world!).

Meat? Still eat it, but I eat more fish and prefer lean meat like chicken. But steak is another occasional treat. None of my doctors take issue with that either.

Wine? I love wine. I asked my MO about that. He said that for overall health (not breast cancer specific), his advice is 2-3 drinks per week for women, and 4-5 drinks per week for men (my husband was sitting next to me when I asked the question). I used to have wine with dinner every night, and while I enjoyed that, I've easily cut back by having wine now only on those evenings when I really feel like having a glass - so it ends up being a couple of nights a week, at most.

If you are happy with the diet changes you've made, that's great. But if some are a struggle or you feel you are forbidding yourself pleasures, why do that? Yes, there are some changes that are necessary and important after a breast cancer diagnosis, such as no birth control pills and no HRT. And maintaining a healthy weight and exercising regularly have been proven to reduce risk. The rest? Not so much. Make changes you want to make. Make changes you have to make. But when it comes to changes that you think you should make but you really don't want to, well, do your research. You may decide that the small benefit from these changes (if there is any benefit at all - many have little evidence) is not worth depriving yourself.


“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke
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Jul 30, 2020 10:18PM exbrnxgrl wrote:

Cindy May,

I am in a very different situation bc wise. I am stage IV and essentially have been since dx, 9 years ago. I did everything you are doing, diet wise, initially. I got into fights with my dd because she felt she had to monitor my diet/lifestyle. I had a difficult time with restaurants, eating at friends homes, parties etc. I was really unhappy cutting out so much of what gave me pleasure in life and it had some social limitations. Then, I kind of re-evaluated everything. For me it boiled down to living a life minus many things I enjoy vs. possibly living longer minus those things. The irony is that I lived a healthy lifestyle to begin with! I ate meat and dairy in moderation, lots of fruit and veggies etc. I don’t smoke, not overweight and generally active. I have never been much of a drinker but I wanted to be able to enjoy a drink.

So here I am, 9 years down the road. I eat a nutritious, balanced diet and indulge in anything I want but in moderation. I appreciate each bite and each sip. I am very happy and no longer fighting with anyone over what I eat. Most importantly, I’m happy! My metastasis is to my bone but I have been NEAD since initial t.

I offer no advice as we all have to deal with bc in our own way. I simply decided that my diet was already decent and if I was going to live I wasn’t going to cut out some many wonderful things. A healthy diet is good for all of us. A restricted, compulsive diet is not a guarantee of preventing recurrence (My sister, the poster child for clean eating for decades before her uterine cancer dx, was dx’ed and dead within 4 months). Stay healthy, treat yourself from time to time and enjoy that wine!

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)
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Jul 30, 2020 10:24PM illimae wrote:

I was advised to limit alcohol, which I do but almost everything in life is a risk factor for cancer and when it really comes down to it, cells just go bad sometimes. I do what makes me happy, while doing the best I can with lifestyle choices and that includes a couple glasses or wine per week and the occasional margarita.

Diagnosed at 41 Stage IV De Novo Dx 11/16/2016, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2+ (IHC) Chemotherapy 1/1/2017 Abraxane (albumin-bound or nab-paclitaxel) Targeted Therapy 1/1/2017 Herceptin (trastuzumab) Targeted Therapy 1/1/2017 Perjeta (pertuzumab) Surgery 6/26/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Underarm/Axillary Radiation Therapy 8/10/2017 Breast, Lymph nodes Dx 10/5/2017, IDC, Left, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to brain, Grade 3, 3/13 nodes, ER+, HER2+ (IHC) Radiation Therapy 10/19/2017 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 4/18/2018 External: Brain Radiation Therapy 5/22/2019 External: Brain Hormonal Therapy Tamoxifen pills (Nolvadex, Apo-Tamox, Tamofen, Tamone)
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Jul 31, 2020 02:29AM moth wrote:

Well, alcohol is classified as a carcinogen.

Otoh, it's a drug that is heavily used and normalized in our culture.

Some people on this board don't drink at all, others drink a fair bit. I'm in the none crowd but I've never been a big drinker and was essentially teetotal for years before dx so I didn't actually have to give it up, kwim?

At the end of the day, you just have to make a decision you can live with. Will it make you unhappy to give it up? Or can you let it go? Only you can make that call.

Feb 2020 - Stage IV, mets to lung, liver, mediastinal lymph. Dx at 50 in Dec 2017; Left, IDC, 1.7 cm, Stage I, Grade 3, 0/5 nodes, TNBC Surgery 12/12/2017 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Chemotherapy 2/14/2018 AC + T (Taxol) Radiation Therapy 8/13/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Chemotherapy 3/18/2020 Taxol (paclitaxel) Immunotherapy 3/19/2020 Tecentriq (atezolizumab)
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Jul 31, 2020 03:31PM exbrnxgrl wrote:

moth, you said it well. Each of us has to decide what something adds or doesn’t add to our lives. Also, if you experience progression, will you blame it on a few glasses of wine, a delicious meal or chocolate cake? If so then total abstinence or a more restricted diet will work for you. If not and you’d like a glass of wine or something else you love, go for it!

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)
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Jul 31, 2020 04:07PM ctmbsikia wrote:

I agree, there's risk with everything. I am a pretty moderate drinker. Former smoker too. The damage is already done, it's probably just a matter of time before something else happens. So, I do what I want, when I want.

Can't remember but a little while back someone started a topic that read "If I eat this piece of chocolate cake is it going to kill me?" All of us think these things, but I'm committed to not playing the blame game if/when something happens. I'd rather just live life.

My husband was a heavy smoker and just died of lung cancer. Sure, he was upset about getting that fatal diagnosis, but I told him, hey you lived your life they way you wanted to. He didn't beat himself up too much after that. He was 60. Short but a good life, none the less.

Dx 12/14/2017, DCIS/IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IIB, Grade 2, 1/2 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2- Dx 1/16/2018, LCIS, Right Surgery 1/30/2018 Lumpectomy: Left; Lymph node removal: Sentinel Radiation Therapy 4/10/2018 Whole-breast: Breast Hormonal Therapy 6/25/2018 Arimidex (anastrozole)
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Jul 31, 2020 05:59PM Beesie wrote:

Yes, alcohol is a carcinogen. But for some types of cancers more than others. And that's why my MO talked about alcohol consumption in the context of overall health.

Specifically,

  • For head and neck cancers, where "heavy drinkers have 5-fold higher risks of oral cavity and pharynx cancers and 2.6-fold higher risks of larynx cancers". That's a whopping 500% and 260% increase in risk.
  • For esophageal cancers, where again there is a nearly 500% increase in risk for heavy drinkers.
  • For some types of liver cancer, where risk is increased by approx. 200% among heavy drinkers.
  • For breast cancer, heavy drinkers may face up to a 60% increase in risk, with a 23% increase in risk among moderate drinkers and a 4% increase in risk among light drinkers.

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https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/alcohol/alcohol-fact-sheet

No one thinks that heavy drinking is a good idea. But light drinking, if it's something you enjoy, is a tiny risk factor when it comes to breast cancer. For the average woman, light drinking increases breast cancer risk from 12.4% to 12.9%. By comparison, having dense breasts post-menopausally (an uncontrollable risk factor) increases risk by 250% (one study actually suggested 600%). So am I going to get fussed about a 4% increase in risk from light drinking (defined as no more than one drink a day)? Nope.

No one is suggesting that those who don't drink should start. But if it's something you enjoy, you can continue to enjoy it with little concern about breast cancer risk, so long as you stay within the range of light consumption.



“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke
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Jul 31, 2020 06:12PM voraciousreader wrote:

Beesie and I have shared each other’s company with a glass of wine. No words for the pleasure...


Cancer can rob us of many things if you let it....or...


cancer be damned....life is too short...don’t sweat the simpler stuff....you will be blind sighted enough down the road...

Cheers!


Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic! Hmmm...Really?....Okay! 02/2010 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15, Stage 1, Grade 1, 1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+ 90% /PR+ 70% HER2- (+1)
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Jul 31, 2020 06:15PM voraciousreader wrote:

btw...my internist/cardiologist recently told me....whatever it is you are doing...keep it up! Heart

Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic! Hmmm...Really?....Okay! 02/2010 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15, Stage 1, Grade 1, 1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+ 90% /PR+ 70% HER2- (+1)
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Jul 31, 2020 06:34PM Beesie wrote:

Indeed, VR! 🥂 Cheers!

“No power so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear.” Edmund Burke
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Jul 31, 2020 06:39PM - edited Jul 31, 2020 06:39PM by exbrnxgrl

voraciousreader,

I love your philosophy! At stage IV QOL was more important than length of survival. By some stroke of dumb luck, I've been given both. I just decided that I didn't want to spend what might be my last years not enjoying food, friends and definitely not using coffee for enemas. So here I am nine years later and still happy.

Bilateral mx 9/7/11 with one step ns reconstruction. As of 11/21/11, 2cm met to upper left femur Dx 7/8/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Surgery 9/7/2011 Lymph node removal: Left; Mastectomy: Left, Right; Reconstruction (left); Reconstruction (right) Dx 11/2011, IDC, Left, 4cm, Stage IV, Grade 1, 1/15 nodes, mets, ER+/PR+, HER2- Hormonal Therapy 11/21/2011 Arimidex (anastrozole) Radiation Therapy 11/21/2011 Bone Hormonal Therapy 6/19/2014 Femara (letrozole) Hormonal Therapy Aromasin (exemestane)
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Jul 31, 2020 08:17PM voraciousreader wrote:

ex....here’s to your dumb stroke of luck! Cheers! And....as my internist/cardiologist would say...keep it up!

Heart

Doctor told me regarding my prognosis that I WASN'T on the Titanic! Hmmm...Really?....Okay! 02/2010 Pure Mucinous Breast Cancer, Oncotype DX 15, Stage 1, Grade 1, 1.8 cm, 0/2 nodes, ER+ 90% /PR+ 70% HER2- (+1)
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Aug 1, 2020 02:34AM Claire_in_Seattle wrote:

Moderate wine consumption appears to increase one's risk of breast cancer whilst decreasing one's risk of heart of heart disease. Being indifferent as to where my risk comes from, I continue to savor all the amazing wines the Pacific Northwest has to offer. Not to mention, some from other areas of the world. So many amazing wines, so little time.

Things I am not about to give up:

  • The pleasure of savoring a new vintage from winemaker friends I personally know.
  • Not wine, but planning a stop at a microbrewery with pizzeria next door when doing a Sunday ride of 40 miles with a friend.
  • Something sparkling to celebrate a life milestone, or celebrate a major work ordeal. (Which I have done recently, don't ask.)
  • Hanging out with my "wine drinking broads" friends.
  • Exploring new vintages and other areas of the world through wine.
  • Celebrating life.
  • Making a home-cooked meal extra-special. (I am a gourmet cook.)
As a point of information, it's a lot more important to exercise than give up wine and other libations. Remember that Julia Child had breast cancer, and lived at least 30 years after she was diagnosed. She was not one to forego good wine, nor amazing food. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Salut! - Claire
Completed all treatment (AC +T, lumpectomy, radiation and 5 years of AIs - anastrazole). Now celebrating every single day for the wonderful life I have been granted. Dx 8/2009, IDC, Left, 2cm, Stage IIB, Grade 3, 1/21 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (FISH)
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Aug 1, 2020 03:01AM SondraF wrote:

Well, what is the rate of breast cancer in Italy, France, and other high-producing wine countries? I would suggest it could be a factor but not THE factor.

My mom had dense breasts (reduction) and I would classify at least a moderate drinker for the past 15 years - no cancer, though she prefers hard alcohol and cocktails in the evening. I was never much of a drinker but had my moments, and dense breasts (reduction) - but I am also 5 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier than my mom. No smoking, no drugs, no family history. My brother isn't a heavy drinker and yet he got head and neck.

Based on all that to me the statistics are just that - statistics. They can suggest 'hey, maybe you don't wanna down all that beer on a nightly basis' but so much goes into this disease that medicine just can't explain right now. What is "right" anymore when you "did everything right" and still got cancer?

I figure screw it, live relatively healthy, watch the sugar and junk, including alcohol, and go live life. Living brings joy which helps relieve the stress of daily life, you know, the same stress that could cause cancer :)


Dx 9/27/2019, IDC, Right, 5cm, Stage IV, metastasized to bone, Grade 3, ER+/PR+, HER2- Targeted Therapy 11/29/2019 Ibrance (palbociclib) Hormonal Therapy 11/29/2019 Femara (letrozole), Zoladex (goserelin)
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Aug 1, 2020 03:56AM Traveltext wrote:

I really am drawing a line in the sand for lots of things but am hanging on to my nightly glass of wine. Due to hereditary factors I’d have to be born to a different mother to greatly affect my cancer outcomes. Whenever I bring the topic up with my medical team they say, your fall. And it is.

This said, I respect everyone’s decisions and opinions and have enjoyed reading that diversity here.


NED breast and prostate cancer. More on Male BC

Dx 03/14, IBC, Lgth. 2cm, Stge IIIB, Gde 2B, ER+/PR+, HER2- ; FEC x3, Taxol x3; Mx & 2/23 nodes; Rads x 33; now on tamoxofin.

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Aug 1, 2020 09:00AM DebAL wrote:

well I'm no wine expert but I enjoy a glass or 2 every now and then. I like having wine on hand for guests and special occasions. 6 bottles lasts 3 months around here. Check out dryfarmwines.com I'm hooked! Natural, lower alcohol, no preservatives etc. I truly liked every bottle they sent, just like they said. They will replace it if you dont.The taste is slightly different since its not as sweet but it was good and for me it wasn't a problem getting used to it. So thanks to covid I joined a wine club lol

I enjoy and live a relatively healthy life. If I get a recurrence there is no way to know if it was that glass of wine, because I shorted or skipped a run, or accidentally forgot an arimidex pill. And I don't want to waste my energy worrying.

Dx 1/22/2018, IDC, Left, <1cm, Stage IA, Grade 1, 0/3 nodes, ER+/PR-, HER2- (IHC) Surgery 2/11/2018 Reconstruction (left): Tissue expander placement; Reconstruction (right): Tissue expander placement Surgery 2/12/2018 Mastectomy: Left, Right Chemotherapy 4/2/2018 Cytoxan (cyclophosphamide), Taxotere (docetaxel) Hormonal Therapy 6/13/2018 Arimidex (anastrozole) Surgery 8/8/2018 Reconstruction (left): Fat grafting, Silicone implant; Reconstruction (right): Fat grafting, Silicone implant Surgery 12/19/2018 Reconstruction (left): Fat grafting; Reconstruction (right): Fat grafting Surgery

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