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  • Char2010
    Char2010 Posts: 362
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn - I am so sad and scared for you.  Please fight hard and try to deal with this one day at a time.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn, I'll say it: This sucks. I can't image how this challenges your spirit. Hang in there. Remember there is plan B, plan C etc. Yes there are a variety of treatments that can fight this. They just haven't served your flavor yet.

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    onward I have joined you in the LE sisterhood. So much for that "thin" women are unlikely to get it. So far it's mild and my onc just wants me to start doing light strength training. She does not want me to wear my sleeve/gauntlet. My BS gave me the script for the sleeves for flying as prevention. Wish these two docs were on the same page. :b 

  • makmak
    makmak Posts: 374
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn, I am so sorry about the latest news!! Please know that there are women out there living with this.  Please join me in the Stage IV boards... Please post an introduction. You will get so much good advice and uplifting that you need right now!!  Women are living with this...I am proof!!

    Marina

  • joan888
    joan888 Posts: 711
    edited December 2010

    Oh, Carolyn...thanks for sharing your update. I can only imagine how frightening this must be for you.  Yes, we are all here for you.  You are certainly in good hands there at Rush and they will get you through this.  I will be praying for you.

    Geesh!  I was just going to head off to bed when the phone rang and noticed on the caller ID that it was my ONC's office. I had been waiting for a callback, but it scared me silly wondering what could be so urgent to get a call this late in the evening.  My ONC apologized for the late call, but knew that I was still waiting for my bone density results. He said that my hip site was fine, but my vertebrae was showing ostopenia.  We'll discuss it when I go back in a couple weeks.  Anybody dealing with ostopenia drugs?  My ONC does want to start me on 50,000 units/week Vit D right away since I sort of flunked that test with a whopping 14.  Oh joy, more drugs in my aresenal.  Can hardly believe that less than a year ago, I was taking NONE.

    Elf, our night owl.... don't stay up too late.  ((((Hugs)))) to Carolyn!

  • makmak
    makmak Posts: 374
    edited December 2010

    Joan, PLEASE ask your Dr what he's prescribing as far as Vit D. Mine prescribed the 50,000 but that's D2, which does NOT work to increase levels.. I went up by 1 in 2 mos. I then started on 6,000 units a DAY of over the counter D3 and got to 84.. then I lowered to 4,000.  I would recommend 6,000 a day for you as you're so low.  I would also recommend you get tested every month while you take the large doses to make sure you're in a safe range.  Some people have trouble with large doses, some don't.  Good luck!!

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 4,011
    edited August 2013

    joan/mak - From what I've read, I agree with taking the 6000 D3 daily instead of the 50,000 D2.

    Joan - a very good brand of D3 is USANA (one of the best rated and best absorbed) - you can order it at www.preventcanswers.org 

  • gingersfavorite1
    gingersfavorite1 Posts: 134
    edited December 2010
    Hello ladies -  just a quick drive by for me,  wanted to wish you all a very Merry Christmas!    Prayers for those dealing with new struggles and challenges....   Cheers for those celebrating even the smallest of milestones!

    I had my first haircut in 8 months yesterday!    Just a little trim around the ears and back of the neck.   But I'm loving the hair that I have!    (That's me on the left)   my friend on the right is a two year survivor  :)
     
     
     
  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653
    edited December 2010

    OMG look at all that hair. That was fast! You look still fabulous even with hair. ;-)

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited December 2010

    First, Carolyn.......you hang in there.  We are all pulling for you and I hope you can feel the love surrounding you.  Use our strength for awhile.  We have a lot.

    Ginger.....great picture and what fun to have a reason to get a haircut.  Congrats to your friend on her 2 yr. mark. 

    Joan -- osteopenia  --- the way I read it, is somewhat of a natural occurrence as you age.  I refused any drug for mine since I only recently had a first bone density ---  and may have had osteopenia for who knows how long, and may ONLY have that for years to come --- so until I feel I'm totally up against the wall in some way, I won't even consider the currently prescribed heavy drugs for it.  I'm just doing  my vitamin D-3 and calcium supplements. 

    Lago.....sorry to hear about the LE.  Your so active about taking care of things I visualize it won't be getting an upper hand with you.  Glad your on top of it. 

    My day for House of Hope so I have to run but I will have some things to say later.....hopefully won't be exhausted.

    Hugs, Jackie

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited December 2010
    "The soul would have no rainbow had the eyes no tears."

    John Vance Cheney

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653
    edited December 2010

    Jackie, my onc isn't worried about my LE. She just told me to start weight training again… slowly work up. Told me not to wear the sleeve, it will make it worse. Also feels massage is not the way to go. I'm very confused since the sleeves were ordered as a preventative in the first place by my BS.

    I'm very scared this will get worse. I really want to be doing something to get the swelling to go down. I just don't understand how strength training (which should not be done everyday) alone is going to help the swelling go down.

  • Adey
    Adey Posts: 2,413
    edited December 2010

    Lago--  Dr C, although a great onc, doesn't really think outside the box.  I've had Lymphatic massage and it is real nice.  (c:  It's not like a normal massage, think kneading bread.  It is very soft and the fingers brush along where the lymph nodes are located and down the path to where they drain.  That's my version anyhoo.  I also have very slight swelling, not continuous and never enough to get me worried.  The massage is offered at the Block Center where I get chemo and if you want I can PM the masseuses info.  There's also a school of thought that rebounding (little trampoline) gets the lymph system pumping.  That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!  Take care.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited December 2010

    Interesting response from your Onc.  Out of all the women I've heard talk about what they were told to do for LE.....I think this is the first time I've heard wt. training.  Not impossible I guess.....but never heard it before.  I'm sure you do some good checking on this.  So far, so good for me.  But then......no one seems to  ( just like cancer ) have predictive abilities as to why and who will end up with this se.  I'm wishing you well.

    Jackie

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited December 2010

    Adey....I have a rebounder --- not used it as much lately as I should.....but to me it is good for nearly everything. 

    Jackie

  • Adey
    Adey Posts: 2,413
    edited December 2010

    I have one too... let's bounce!

    Oops, to soon for me, I feel like a big ole Raid sprayed cockroach right now.  Let's bounce soon.  (c:

    R....A.....I..............D!!!!!!!!!!

  • onward
    onward Posts: 229
    edited December 2010

    I have been going for LE message and wrapping for two weeks. I get measured every few days. I have had a total of 6% reduction in my upper arm and it's feeling so much better. I am going in again in a few minutes. I will ask about strength training. Onward

    My dear Carolyn, My prayers have been surrounding you since you first posted. I will call you after my appointment. You are not alone. Love Caryn

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653
    edited December 2010

    Thanks everyone.

    Jackie I too have read that exercise and strength training (slowly working up) is good for lymphedema. This is a recent finding. It does make sense to me. I did do a little bit this morning… and I do seemy arm does look a little better than yesterday, even better than this morning so maybe she's right. I just get so scared of not doing the correct thing.

    The problem with lymphedema is I don't think they have done enough studies. They are just starting to do some. 

  • LisaMomOfFour
    LisaMomOfFour Posts: 226
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn -- been thinking of you often.  Hang in there, girl!  I'm so glad you have such a close relationship with your sister.....   Let me know if there is anything I can do, I'm not all that far away in Downers Grove. 

    Just got back from the hospital.... had my port inserted.  I'm such an IT nerd (been doing it for what, twenty some odd years now?) I kept saying that I was having it "installed" which really does make my body sound more like a machine, doesn't it?  LOL.  Thankfully it was a very smooth process to get it inserted, if it saves some misery down the road, on my veins, then it was worth it. 

    Countdown to chemo, starting on the 30th.   Like everything else, the fear and anticipation are the worst, aren't they?  I'm working all through next week, and online shopping like a fiend this weekend.  I am taking the week off between Christmas and New Year, at least until the 30th, my kids and I will attempt to have a lot of fun playing with all of those new Wii games Santa brought this year.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 4,011
    edited December 2010

    Have been gone all day! Got alot done. I have been a hermut because I hate this weather. But I am slowly accepting the fact that I SIMPLY CAN'T CHANGE IT - DAMN IT! LOL

    Carolyn - Been thinking about you all day will call you later.

    lago - Have you been to binney4's LE site? http://www.stepup-speakout.org/  I had LE for 3-4 months last Spring. Her site is packed with info.

    Stephanie - You look GREAT!

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    Do any of you girls want to join a Dragon Boat team with me? I'm trying to find one in IL. Practice all winter indoors and then hit the lake and kick the crap out of other teams at summer races. ; )

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653
    edited December 2010

    Yes Laura I started looking at stepup-speak out as soon as I heard I was getting level I nodes removed. I never trusted the "1-3% chance" of me getting it since there was also a less than 2% chance of me getting breast cancer at my age. Stats have not been kind to me lately.

    Arm is still looking better. I went shopping for a camisole to wear under my silk shirts. Just can't go bra-less/camisoles because the scars show a little through the shirt. The need a lot more time to lighten up.

    So I tried on this seamless shapeless bra. My current official size is almost B ;-). Guess my PS was right. A few more fills.

    Lisa I had my port installed too. Is there another term? ;-)

  • conniehar
    conniehar Posts: 585
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn - you are in my thoughts and I am saying lots of prayers for you.  Listen to Marina and keep fighting!

    Joan - I was told I have osteopenia last year.  I was put on Actonel by my gyne and I had a rough time with it.  It really messed up my esophagus.  I stopped once and he put me back on it with a antacid.  That seemed to work for awhile but the symptoms came back worse than ever.  I stopped again and haven't told the gyne yet.  Saw my primary this summer and he wanted to see if we could manage it with calcium and Vit D.  Mich101 is also in the same boat and she had side effects with her meds too.  I'm sure she will pop in.

    Glad to hear the good news about your trial, Marina!

    Hugs to those of you in treatment! 

  • zap
    zap Posts: 1,850
    edited December 2010

    Goodness, there is so much going on here I cannot keep up.  I did not even know that Lago had LE.

    Elf, you husband's job will happen.  I wish for your sake (and his) it would happen sooner rather than later, but at least he has a job now.

    I will not be able to cover everything.  Lisa, yes the waiting is the hardest.  You should feel a little less anxious in that so many are doing fine with chemo.

    Carolyn, praying everyday for you.

    Marina, it sounds ALL good.  I am wondering if you can use the Kayak or another travel discount if you know your dates in advance. I took a peak and yes, Seattle is very expensive.  Funny how some town are.  I wanted to go to Montgomery AL and it is very costly.  I guess it is all the mileage.

    The train room at the Morton Arboretum is wonderful. Elf, I know your boys love trains.  Are you near Lisle?   If you live close and have a little one who loves Thomas the Engline, go.  We then had lunch.  They serve very healthy and fresh lunches there.

    Stay warm. 

    Susan

  • joan888
    joan888 Posts: 711
    edited December 2010

    Yes, LOTS going on here.  Always seems to happen with the holidays... trying to take care of ourselves and everything else happening in spite of us.

    Laura... I am interested in the dragon boat racing.  I had not heard of it until I was in Seattle last month and there was a training site across the street from our hotel.  Looked interesting. You will have to tell me more.

    I would be interested in hearing more from anyone that has tried Actonel.  From what my ONC mentioned last night, he was thinking Actonel sometime in January for my osteopenia. He also mentioned that it has shown some promise in preventing mets to bones also.  So, I would not mind trying it.  Now is when I am getting confused whether I take this and my Vit D thing up with my PCP, GYN or ONC.  I think that I have too many doctors!

    Makmak... try Alaska Air for Seattle.  They have one way fares that make those one-night stands less expensive. Let me know if you need help.  I am in the biz.

    LisaMomofFour.... I got nervous about my first chemo trip.  The day before that treatment, I hopped on my bike and told my husband I'd see him later.  I think that I just wanted to run away.  I didn't come back home for about 4 hours!  Not sure what got into me.  Fear, I guess.  All went well and I survived chemo quite well.

    Good luck with the LE, Lago.  I have just a tiny bit of swelling in one arm that the PT called grade zero.  I am still careful and do notice that it swells a bit ocassionally.  Unfortunately, I spend most of the day on a computer keyboard and I think that may be a contributing factor.  Let me know about the weight training. 

  • makmak
    makmak Posts: 374
    edited December 2010

    Thanks everyone for the travel ideas.. I did get my next 3 trips booked using miles. I have enough for the rest, just can't book so far in advance.. since there is always a chance of getting kicked out.. NOT going to happen...:) 

    Talked to a girl from ACS who I was matched up with per my request earlier in my diagnosis.  She is a 13 year metster.... She has had most of her good run with Her2+ drugs and only done 2 very gentle chemos.  She is one of the people that helps me keep on going!!  She also made me feel even better since she did NOT have a mx or nodes removed.. the thing I'm stuggling to decide..  The things that make one happy!!

    I'm a bit flu like today.. normal from the vaccine.. and I was prepared.. no plans until next Tues to go out anywhere.. now.. tonight no DH til later due to their Holiday party where spouses are NOT invited... so I get TV remote to myself.. YAY!! No History Channel.. Millionaire Matchmaker or one of those girly shows for me tonight.. :) 

  • smerf
    smerf Posts: 476
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn, I'm joining in with all the others, and thinking of you everyday. Let us know what we can do for you and we will. Some of us live nearby and could help. I'm so glad youy have such family support, and it was so good of your bil to get your kitty! Could you send your sister's address to Laura so that we could know where you are?

    Hugs, Pat

  • smerf
    smerf Posts: 476
    edited December 2010

    Hi all,

    I'm back from NYC visiting the newlyweds, and my dh's sister and brother. Not to mention dh's old roommate from Cornell. Lots of fun, and it was 53 degrees!

    I was a klutz before we left, and managed to get something sharp stuck in my thumb while I was dusting the coffee table. Had to actually go to surgery yesterday to have it removed. Orthopedic surgery, no less! My hubby took me to a good guy, and now I have a huge bandage on my very expensive thumb. I felt pretty ridiculous, but thumbs are important for almost everything we do with our hands, so it had to be done. Now I can't write, so no cards going out here.

    Computer having a problem with some McAfee security, so having trouble posting, and sometimes even logging onto AOL. DH is working, and wants to wait to after Christmas to work on the problem. I would just take it out, but he is always worried about security. Grrrrr...making me a little crazy!

    Stay warm, and have a lovely weekend.

  • Char2010
    Char2010 Posts: 362
    edited December 2010

    Carolyn - I am thinking of your and hoping you are getting much love and many hugs at your sister's place.  Please let me know if I can help in any way.  I am a good kitty sitter and cat litter changer since I have two of my own.

     Joan - I had ostopenia and after the second bone density test (two years after the first one that indicated I have it) went on Actonel.  I was on it for three years.  Did not have any side effects that I was aware of other then when I lost a molar, the healing time was slow (can tell you more if you PM me).  I stopped taking it a year ago since I moved and was in the process of changing doctors so did not have anyone to write a prescription.  The I was diagnosed with BC and just was not a priority,  I had a bone density test done in August (after I was done with chemo) and no sign of ostopenia.  I am taking calcium and D3 and will get retested next August.

     Ginger - Love your hair.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited December 2010

    Char....your osteopenia information is very interesting.  I do think we might get a little rushed into taking drugs for something that could be a somewhat expected -- age progressive thing -- may even be something that is inherited when it comes early.....but I think I'd do a D3 and calcium  thing first and see if that would hopefully work to stop any sort of progression.  No need to say there could be some who might still need the boost....but I felt like I was being really pushed a bit to use the bone strengthening heavy drugs.....that do come with some serious side effects. You have given us something else to think/cogitate on. 

    Ok.....I need  to run but there is a thank you letter that I need to do  I got a wonderful box from the hostess with the mostess yesterday --- just when I was feeling a bit down and it made me so happy and felt so cared about that I don't even remember why yesterday was not a good day.  More on this soon.  It's 10:15 and I just got home a bit ago.......volunteered at House of Hope today.....and sometimes the days get long.  Talk to ya'll soon.

    Much love your way Carolyn......I took in three gorgeous kitties this evening and thought of you.  Hug your kitty tonight and tell em' how lucky to have you. 

    Hugs to all

    Jackie

  • kater
    kater Posts: 447
    edited December 2010

    osteopenia and zometa

    My 6 month oncology apptm was okay, my osteopenia is better most likely due to 2 years of zometa every 6 months....I will have it two more years on same schedule...I did not take anything but arimidex...tried to eat to get the calcium... with my Mom's life upside down I hardly took vitamin d, in fact i'm 3 months behind taking monthly recommended 50,000 units as i have not seen the bottle since we put all meds and supplements in piles and boxes....Does it mean anything that all my bloodwork was in range including protein and calcium (probably not!). ( I wont get vit. d. thyroid  and lipid profile till january endocrinologist apptmt)I also have hashimoto..but normal thyroid levels as far as i know. Will be getting CA 125 also for Jan. gyne apptmt...ovarian cancer tumor marker.My CA 2729 was I think a 29? not sure of scale, but it's in range.

    The oncologist said there is a new drug out there that looked promising vs zometa, but it also has bad side effect neck thing that zometa sometimes can give.... so zometa sounded okay.

     Off topic, Jackie, advice? pet lovers?

    Happy holidays to everyone and good luck to everyone. I have a third dog, age 2, that a family needed to give up. She has been a 67 pound joy but so far a steak has disappeared among other things.

    One cat won't be in same room with her so he's in basement now...my feline leukemia cat got mixed up with one of my normal cats, so that cat is in quarantine, I don't know what to do about that..he has long hair...but I suppose he could have gotten attacked as both cats are a little hissy and mean to other cats.......so I wait....3rd day now, I wish cats and dogs could understand some language, wouldnt that make life so much easier?? I was told 1-3 months and also 6 months..to test this cat that got exposed..so .....that's a long time for a cat to be in a bedroom although the first fel Leukemia cat I had in my bathroom upstairs and then later made a cat door so he could go in a bedroom, what a sweet cat he is now that he had free reign at my Mom's (until this new dog!). I look at him and feel so badly I had to do that...

  • Rene23
    Rene23 Posts: 290
    edited December 2010

    Hi everyone.  Gosh, so much to catch up on here.  Welcome to Webru, and anyone else I might have missed.

    Carolyn - Let me add my good thoughts and offer of support to you during this tough time.  I'm glad you have the support of your sister, but please don't hesitate to reach out to all the wonderful ladies here if there is something you need.  

    Lago - Sorry to hear about the LE.  It's funny, but as I was reading that, I was desperately trying to get my ring off my ring finger because it's driving me crazy.  The finger is swollen, and I am so clueless that it didn't even occur to me that it might be LE - until just now. I finally got it off, but with a lot of oil and PAIN.  Hopefully this is just some simple swelling from too many salty snacks at my work party tonight and not early LE.  I'll see how it is in the morning.  

    Marina - Glad to hear your daughter was okay.  I don't mind winter driving, but it still worries me whenever my kids are behind the wheel during this season.

    Elf - Good luck to your husband on the job.  I know you have some mixed feelings about it, but I'm hopeful that it'll all work out in the end as something that will make all of you very happy.

    I don't remember who originally asked about osteopenia, but that's where I'm at right now.  I've had one Zometa infusion and am scheduled for my second one in a few weeks (it's been delayed several times for various reasons).  My dexa scans prior to all this, were normal, and the first one I had after being on aromatase inhibs a year or so was slightly osteopenic.  The second one I had a year later had dropped to almost osteoporotic level - so yes, something definitely needed to be done if I was going to stay on the AI's - which so far I am.   I did have a day of fever and flu-like aches the day after the infusion.   I've read that the side-effects are often lessened or non-existent for subsequent treatments, but I guess we'll see on that one.  

    I've made it through 3 years of AI's now (was on Tamoxifen for the first1.5 yrs.) and I have, on occasion, considered stopping.  Not because of the bone loss, but the joint pains. They aren't bad all the time, and they are absolutely better when I'm more active, but there are times when I feel like I just can't deal with them anymore.  The good outweighs the bad though, which is why I'm still hanging in there.  I still live my life and do pretty much whatever I want to physically, and I feel like I am doing all I can do for my cancer situation.  I only resort to anti-inflammatories on occasion, although I do get steroid shots in my frozen shoulder - but that's also work-related.  All of these medications are a personal choice, and what works for me is not necessarily what someone else would be comfortable with.  

    As for my update:  I did have my excision/biopsy done on Wednesday after work.  Thank goodness he was able to do it in his office!  Although the lidocaine injections hurt like hell (!!), it was worth it not to have to do this outpatient and have anesthesia again.  We were hoping to have results back today, but they weren't done.  So, I will continue to be on pins and needles until Monday.  I've been so busy working lately that you'd think I could get my mind off this, but it's always there, worrying me until I get the results - one way or another.  He fells optimistic that it's just keloid tissue, but admits that the enhancement on the MRI is concerning.  I guess I'll know soon enough. 

    It did help entertain me in the waiting room waiting for the surgeon to play Words with Friends.. with my friends. :)