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Good Morning, Loungettes! I am back from Vegas, had a GREAT time, did nothing by have fun and lounge around. I'm not going to try to catch up on everything posted while I was gone--reading 6 pages will take me forever! I will skip back through and try to find the most important things, unless someone has a knack for quick updating? I took $30 for the casinos,
came back with $0.97 of it, but got over 2 hours of play time with it. Did the tour of the inside of the Hoover Dam--fascinating!
Helped my cousin take her 2 dogs to the doggy swim day--out there they let dogs use the pools the day they close them down, so much fun to watch them all! Got to go back to work this pm, so probably won't post pics until Monday, but I do have some good ones. Also saw Menopause the Musical. If you ever get a chance to see that you MUST GO! It is hilarilous! 
DorK--sorry you can't sleep, and OUCH about the finger, bigger OUCH about the immobilization, and the biggest OUCH for all the coordinating you have to do before the end of the year! Oh, oh, I'm going to have to go back a page or 2 ans find out wha'sw up with your DD!

AStorm-- your office sounds WONDERFUL! So nice to have a place that has so many sentimental things, and is comfortable to work in. I have a little office corner in my living room made up of cobbled together stuff, but works really well for me.

LOL--way to go, Grandpa!

And the Lemongrass Martini sounds very, very yummy!

DorK--glad the finger is "only" sprained, not that it makes it any easier to live with while it's "tied up" so to speak!

Sheryllyn--I used the chat rooms years ago when I was first diagnosed, but the last few times I dropped in they weren't very active. Probably comes and goes like most things. Welcome to the HTL, if I haven't welcomed you before--vacation has rather cleaned out my brain! I don't have any in-laws but I have an increasingly feeble minded mother, does that count? Dealing wiith aging and functionally declining parents is a difficult thing. One of the kids can call FIL's doctor and tell him/her what is going on and the doctor can contact DMV to revoke his license. Not a fun thing to do. Taking the keys of any drivable vehicles left will help, too. OR taking the vehicles and parking them somewhere else (at one of the kid's homes, ideally). Do the in-laws have any home health services? Sounds like they could use some. Again, this can be started by calling the Dr. who will order an evaluation. Good idea for one of the adult children to be present at the evaluation to make sure the evaluator gets ALL the info!

Well, gots lots to catch up on, and a bit to do to get ready for the working weekend, so I've got to move along. I'll be back soon!
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Well surprise surprise, NM, WELCOME BACK! Loved loved loved your posts and pics. I had only heard of the Hoover Damn, what a fantastic picture. I am so happy for you and glad you did not spend all of that 30.00 - now you can buy uhh, well something with your 97 pennies. Let me think, hmmm, there is a convenience store around here called 7-11 that sells these yummy cookies for .79? Well it is the fact that you had such a nice time that counts. Dorthy is happy happy to see you back but sorry you have to work. As always, hope it goes by fast and easy. The moon is not full ....
Scuba, waiting for the pic of you in that hot tub hitting on the bucket. Who said about woman being resourceful, so true. Men, we all know where their brains are most of the time. hehe. I hope your work day goes fast and you have a restful weekend. Can't wait to have "face time" with you, loved that comment. Please do not kick my arse too hard though although I need it.
Kathy, seems Pau Hana is starting late these days, get it together lol. I have missed drinking with you. But things are less hectic here and I have the day to get a lot done. Turns out that my DD will probably not need to be driven to an appointment today. I am glad as it is raining cats and dogs here today. That is good as I really really wanted to get my six mums (chrysanthemums) in the ground. Funny, our Chrissy did not know what mums were, had to spell it out. Seems in OZ, they do not abbreviate.
Chrissy, I think of you so much and still try to mimic your accent. My DD told me that I am not nearly as annoying as when i came home from the Bahama's and tried to talk like the Bohemians for weeks and weeks. I think my accent impression is good as does DH but DD thinks it stinks and likes the real thing. So glad to follow your journey and to boot, I have new friends thanks to you.
Missing Lori and Beanie. and Kitty Kat too. Nice to see Donna's face (I think that is her name).
Sheryl, sorry about the crud with your folks. I can really relate as my mom is not doing well nor is her caretaker, Dad. I cherish each day I have them and wish they were closer to me. Mom has dimensia and it just hurts. PM me anytime if you want to talk.
Thinking of you Kymn and still praying for peace in your heart. Just keep doing what you are doing. Congrats again on being done all treatment, that is a great thing,I think you should have a family party to show your kids that Mommy is DONE and now all will be fine with mommy. Make it a good time if you can. Kids worry alot and your little ones are probably worried about you more than you know. I am just guessing but know that my DD is sick with worry over me. Kids hear the word cancer and we all know it ain't a pretty word, to say the least. Assure them that it is gone and make a reason to celebrate, even if you need to fake the happy dance. Just suggesting as you are my fav littlest sister here. I have showed my DD your photo as your eyes are just beautifully peircing and your face is striking. I want to picture you smiling again and hope that is soon. For now, truck on sister.
Gail, how sweet that your office is loaded with things you love. My home has alot of things I love and those things seem to jump out at me at just the right time. And wow, that Earthquake, is that the one that they found that guy alive after being trapped for days on the bridge? I think his name was Barney? I remember that so well and pray that you never go through that again.
Kristy, how is Gracie Lu, other than adorable? Hope your school year is going well.
Karen, same to you pertianing to school. Hope you are feeling better, keep working the meds and know that we are all on your side. I personally am just restarting Effexor today, asked for the change yesterday when at the doc for finger.
Missing someone else here and just had the name in my brain then it just nesappeared. sorry for the long post but wanted to try to reach out to all of you. Will edit once I think of her, darn.
Speaking of, I took the darn splint off to type this. My finger does not move much when I type nor does it hurt it by typing. I know I am bad but when am I not. If you want to talk, I am here.
Claire, did I miss dinner last night, oooops, sorry, had take out yet again. Just finished the final container of Chrissy's homemade spaghetti and meatballs for lunch yesterday and wish there was more. We froze two containers. I tend to like what I call plain food, nothing too exotic. I am boring when it comes to food ~~ yawn~~
Well who did I miss? I hate when I miss someone as I love you all. To all, a happy Friday and know I love each of you gals.
Peace, love and longevity to each of you ♥
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Hi girls,
Just jumping in for a quick hello. My goodness....so much going on with so many of you gals. NM, welcome home, Kymn congrats on being done and getting rid of the other cancer in your life (DH). Your DH was upset for you telling your DS because it makes him look bad! Karen, wishing you peace! Kathy, sorry about the tennant....can you get a hold of the others? Beautiful office Gail.
Gosh, can't remember everything....but I am still have a great time with my family and time is now running short. Loved all the jokes too, esp. the one about the lady winning the lottery!
Again, luvs ya all and will be back to THE HTL soon!
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Lori - yay!! So glad you are having a pleasant time with your family.
I have decided to head into work for four hours as DD is doing just fine. the main reason I am going in is selfish, I need to update my hours and if I don't, I will not get paid. I will also be conducting personal business at work as well, don't tell.
DD is doing well today and has approved of me going to work, I am only six miles and a phone call away. She is just hanging out in her room, reading and is all caught up on her assignments at college. Thanks again all for the kind words of support.
Remind me, I have a now funny story about nearly being banned from BCO but it was a big error but I got a message indicating that I no longer have the write to report others and have only limited pm ability, what?? I was freaked out last night but got in touch with the moderator and found that it was an error on their end. Yikes, I need me girls and was afraid to talk about it. An eye opener for sure that I should stop cursing here! Someone reported me as "smam" in error.
Cheers my lovies!!
over and out,
DorKster the spamster!
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Somewhere in there I am reminded of the W C Fields quote about refusing to join any club that would have me as a member.... Glad you got it straight DorK, we need you!
Ready to be done for the week, have now developed an infection where the last Pratt brat was taken out. 7 days of antibiotics.... And an itchy and sore back. Thank god I had the DMx, couldn't face the Pratt scene again! Although, when the take the TE's out for the permanent implants, are there drains then?
On a happier note, have had a great week with my Londoner friend, one last happy hour tonight, think with the rainy day here in Philly me needs something fruity and refreshing. Have a couple hours to ponder it.... Suggestions welcome.
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Here is my little memorial I made for our DEAR JUNIE. Those are the two cans of ML that DH and I had in her honor (plus a few more)
Junie, I love and miss you so much my dear friend! Much love to you! CheerZ!!
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Hi Goils! Just a quick pop in to see wad up and to let you know that Bob, Junies DH will be joining us for drinks at Shell Knob tomorrow night. I will let him know how much we loved Junie and how much we miss her. I'm really looking forward to meeting him.
Love n hugs to all. Chrissy
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popping in quick to say hello, had to call cops on DH last night as he was threatening me when he found out I had seen a lawyer, they came and took away his guns he will be furious when he finds that out as hunting season is just around the corner. Anyhow told DD and it went pretty good, I think maybe they are both a bit relieved to have to not put up with the argueing anymore. My folks and X hubby should be here soon for my DS birthday but wanted to let you all know I am still breatthing and putting one foot in front of the other
Hugs Kymn
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Kymn. So sorry the drama you are dealing with. Stay strong and continue to look out for you and your kids. Hugs and strength and prayers. Keep trucking.
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hi girls,
Chrissy, what great news, I am sure Bob will come out feeling good. Be prepared for a lot of tears. Hope many are tears of joy in her memory.
Kymn, wow, glad you made that report. You should set up a way to record all calls just in case. not sure how the laws are in canada but I would do it anyway. Glad they took away his guns, yikes. Good job in telling your DD. I am proud of you girl. Just keep on pluggin away and before you know it, this will be behind you too and you will come out all the better. As they say, what does not kill ya will make ya stronger and I am a firm believer of that.
Scuba,so sorry that that pratt bratt gave you an infuction, that dirty rat. Hope it clears up fast. As for drains, some doctors do and some do not. My doctor did but there were only two. Exchange was not nearly as bad as bmx and recovery was not terrible.
Karen, hope you are feeling better and can join me for a quick drink. Praying for you and al my girls who are hurting right now. God be with you and yours. And all of you for that matter.
Where is Stanzie, out on the town with her choir friends? God knows, I wish I could carry a tune. I do have song books in my car, does that count?
Lori, LOVE LOVE LOVE your memorial. Yoiu are so creative. I hope that someone who is with Chrissy has an ipad and can show Junie's DH your beautiful creation. And foil, Junie is laughing now, I just know it. I am fo show!!
GOTTA GET, have a power outage again and it is getting dark fast, must move and get some light. Or not lol. No booze in the house, once my DD has her friend over, I may go out with a friend or to see DH, would prefer out with the friend as he lives closer and does not stress me as DH does. Love you girls. ALL OF YOU. Cheers, lets celebrae FRIED DEY NIGHT (sorry NM, will dwink some fer ya)!!
EDITED cuz I did forget someone. Darn me, I shall slap my middle finger and teach my dernself a life lesson. Cheerz, chickadeeZ!
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Yay! NM is back! You probably would have spent $30 at a movie, so think of it as entertainment expense. Doggy swim day sounds great! Our public pool gets shut down all the time cuz they have lessons for little kids who poo in the pool. I think they should let the dogs swim all summer and let the toddlers swim on closing day...
And Lori is here too! And Junie's memorial... too sweet.
DH is out of town and I am here to PARTY!!!
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DorK.....caught you drinking in the dark again

Have been MIA as have had a busy day getting smart and networking. Plus got the right website picture. Took some doing, and finally got everything to work by bringing up the contrast. But had to match the two pictures in terms of size and general look and feel.
Progress on the networking front but don't want to jinx myself.
Learned from one Webinar that LinkedIn is the system to leverage. Was already getting to that point.
Emailed my surgeon to tell her I am doing well and to thank her for such a great cosmetic result. She promised to drink some wine on my behalf Monday evening when she isn't on call. (She is a general surgeon, but does mostly breasts so probably gets whatever emergency surgery comes her way.)
Chrissy....so glad you are getting to see Junie's husband. I think the visit will mean a lot to him.
Kymn....I am so sorry. You didn't deserve this. Wow. He was odd from the beginning. I mean, how dare he not want you to do treatment that could save your life?? First chemo, and then tamoxifen.
NM.....I would have loved to see the Hoover Dam when I went to LV. But didn't get there as was there for a conference.
Need to get out for a walk. Brain is fried. However, feel like I made major progress this week. Now to make the next step. - Claire
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Gail, I will join you for a quick one. The doggie swim sounds adorable! I hope NM will post pics of that. I am sending Pants to you for a night of pampering. Funny, he is not a bit exhausted after taking care of NM all week. Our tenders never run out of steam haha.
i spoke with DH and he has his girls tonight. Being bitter as i am with him, I told him that his girls cramp my style. This is not true but he has said that about my DD. I really should stop the nonsense with him and wait until we get to therapy to talk at all. He really is a sweet man but has more than his share of character defects. Yet I have many my darnself. I am very attracted to him physically, he really is cute. He has a lot going on in additional to dealing with me and I am have been very hard on him. just made the decision to go and visit a coworker who just bought a new mansion! He has the most beautiful wrap around porch and we will be partying in the rain. His gf and another coworker will be there. We are going to spend some of the night talking about one of our co-workers, Sharon hehehe.
Stanzie, wondering how you have been. Is everything well for you? It's been awhile. Are you coming to keep Gail company? Anyone?? I will be back later and hope my westies are awake and ready to party. Beans?? I know where you are hiding, I saw ya with Hunk. Hmmm, something smells fishy and it is not the baked flounder hehehe. I am excited. Sorry to fill a page with my ramble.
Scuba, I may be popping over your place later, who knows where I end up tonight lol.
Peace out girl SCOUTS! CheeRios! No Salminellos.....
Still thinking about those of you gals in pain. Karen, Kymn, sending you each a fat dorkY hug!
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Claire, bumped ya. Hope you are around when I return. Might stop in for dinner although my friends have pizza. Just what I need to settle my stomach, pizza and wodka. I am on linked in, wanna link up? I haven't many contacts. PM me if you want. Ok, yes, I am dwunk on iced tea only, I swear this to be the twuffisis.
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DorK - here's to MIA DHs! <<clink clink>>
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Gail, clink clink, ooh yeah. where r my late fwends? my westie fwends???
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DorK. Sorry I missed you, but bas per my normal routine, am up at 5 with only my iPad for company. DH, Lucy from London and I are heading to Delaware at 9 am so I am in my netherworld of early morning wakefulness. Hope all got some rest. Many of us need it now, lots happening. Think maybe the antibiotic is hitting me, stupid Pratt brats
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Maybe a hot tub and a beer will get me an extra hour of sleep, debating although the cat is pretty happy to be snuggling up with an awake person.
Keep hanging in all, especially you Kymn, stay strong! Morning cheers!0 -
Lisa, I hope you are able to get some R+R in Delaware. Although it is gloomy, hoping the rain holds off. We certainly do not need more rain in these parts. How is the pratt brat hole? I always feared getting infections from the drain but never did. I feel for you.
Thinking of Kymn and Karen and hoping that today is a happy day.
I had a terrible night sleeping. Between hot flashing all night and muscle cramps in my leg, I was up more than down. This is unlike me, I can usually sleep like a baby no matter what is happening. I guess my mind and body are all on overload. But I woke up so I refuse to complain again on this post.
Where is the breakfast buffet? It is empty today and I had Entenmann's mini choco donut for breakfast. Don't tell Chrissy! Does anyone want an evil donut?? I bought them for DD and her BF but they are not interested.

I had a nice time out last night. My DD's bf stayedd the night (with permission and my blessing) so that I could get away from it all for awhile. I limited myself to three drinks in five hours. Wanted to stop drinking all together but will allow myself to drink socially. As someone here once said, "I am a very social person" lol. My DD is back to work today. She slipped away when I was back to bed and I never heard her leave. I am still concerned over her well being and getting such a run around in finding her a good therapist. I called her psychiatrist for suggestions and they called back this morning and told me to go to my insurance co website. Hellllllo, I have already spend many hours searching, I want someone who comes recommended and do not want to pick some random quack. Nothing but the best for my girl. My boss has been wonderful about this and shared that her DS has struggled with deep depression as well. There seems to be so much social stigma attached to depression still, perhaps as it was back in the day with having cancer.
I am feeling blessed today though. I have so much and others have so little. I am trying to focus on the good. I have great support through my sisters. okay, sorry I am ranting. I do not feel like housework but will pop a pill and try to get my sore legs in motion. Thanks for hearing me. I am pouring my heart out hear and trusting that you gals understand. As always, feel free to blow past my posts. I love you girls and hope someone will join me for an OJ and Wodka :-)
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Sorry DorK.....tonic water (w/o alcohol) can help with the leg cramps. My injured foot was talking to me last night. I seem to be sensitive on that side still, although ankle is tons better.
We have a glorious day on tap prior to rain tomorrow. So heading out to put in some miles.
Got social networked out yesterday. Just replied to something online.
Need to look fab for my informational interviews next week. I am excited about this, as have at least one live and one phone. Plus hoping I get to talk to the hiring manager where I passed the HR screen. - Claire
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Aaaah! Good night's rest makes all the difference! Slept with 2 cats and WD in my bed, corgi on the floor. Special treat for them when DH isn't home.
DorK - tanks for the evil donut... yumm. Perfect with my French Press which I made all for me but you can have some.
Yeah, I would be careful with the psych. I've taken my DDs from time to time and I always check them out first. I have a list of interview questions that starts with "under what circumstances would you recommend medication" cuz some of them just want doped patients. I also ask how long they have been in practice and what types of issues they specialize in (before talking about our issue).I once demanded that DH see a therapist and he picked a MAN who agreed with him on everything!
Going to the city next weekend to see DD and listen to some music in the park... maybe wear a flower in my hair LOL... Thinking about getting her a panini grill. Anything between 2 slices of bread & grilled is a meal.
... well, almost anything.
I had a secret cabinet in the kitchen with 20 years of Bon Apetit, Food & Wine, etc., which I just cleaned out and need to cart off to the library for donation. The weird thing is, I kept a few of the issues that had articles of interest and now the cabinet is full even though there are 3 huge piles of magazines on the floor. Storage space is like liposuction... you take out stuff and the other stuff just gets bigger.Well, on to the master bedroom closet. It used to be just for me but DH moved in there a few years ago and now his "half" is bigger than mine.
He has clothes in there from the 70's that I have never seen him wear (thank goodness) ... And... he's not home!
Tomorrow I'm having lunch with an old friend... actually the sister of ex-bf. We don't see each other often as DH is jealous. Didn't mention the lunch to him and feel a little guilty about not telling him but I'm not doing anything wrong and he would not like it. I'm tired of being chastised... he should consider himself lucky that when he goes out of town this is as close to cheating as I'll ever get! There. I feel better now.
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Hi Claire! No doubt you will look fab for your interviews! Sounds like things are starting to pop -- that's great! I had a small fracture and a bad sprain (worse than the fracture) that essentially ended running for me. I don't really like to run and it is hard for me to get started again so after 6 months off (plus depression since I fell while at BIL's service) I never did. Good that you are getting back out there but being sensible.
Have some French Press!
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I am certainly hoping so. Will have coffee later after the ride. Drank a full pot of tea.
I have been cycling since diagnosis, taking only a couple of weekends off, other than when the skiing was great. It keeps my head on straight, my brain in gear, and gives me a killer body. On top of helping keep me cancer-free.
I realize that if I gave up wine, I would be thin, but there are limits to everything. I will take fit and healthy over waif-thin any day.
I also think being as fit as I am is critical in landing the dream job. A number of things.....minimal issues with being older and keeping my brain sharp. I have energy and am positive. I am on top of my game. So am a fit with a younger workforce.
I wouldn't be able to get there if I didn't cycle. It's that important.
Hoping everyone has a great day. - Claire
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Thin is over-rated.
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Funny story. After surgery, I thought I might have an infection, so ended up in the urgent care (ER) of my medical provider. While I waited for the doctor, I was looking at magazines. There was an ad for liposuction showing a super-skinny woman and the implication was that if you did this procedure, you would be more attractive to men.
The woman looked about as hugable as a skeleton with a skin stretched over it. So I burst out in hysterical laughter. The doctor entered while I was laughing so hard, I had tears streaming down my face.
He agreed with my assessment though. Turned out I was just fine, and we both had a good laugh.
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DorK. Am sitting on my screen porch in DE, here for you. The 2 hour drive was enough, DH is out for lunch with 2 of myfriends, pathetic that I am used to be the last one standing, now I need the first nap. BC stinks!
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Sadly my DH is one of those rare men who actually likes heroine-skinny women... with boobs of course. I guess he was attracted to me because when we met I weighed about 110 and I'm 5'7... I was depressed and also worked out twice a day and didn't eat. After I had my 2nd child, I dipped below 110 and as soon as I stopped breast feeding I had no boobs. One of my friends commented a couple of years ago that I look better now that I am not so thin and DH said that I was never "thin". I have given up with trying to please him on that front. I guess I'll never be "thin"! Now I;m just working on keeping the creeping pounds off while I'm on tamoxifen. It was so much easier to lose weight when I was depressed!
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Not worried about DH fooling around, just frustrated that this GD illness and side effects are cramping my style! Fortunately DH of 20 years is a keeper.....
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Lisa, sorry you are feeling that way, I would guess most of us have been sitting in your shoes at one time or another during this journey. I am often accused of being lazy by my DH. I can relate to the sitting and napping thing, I am ready to nap myself. Glad your DH is a keeper, you are blessed in having a good one. I just planted five mums. It was easy as the ground is saturated. I took off my splint and used an emery board wrapped in gauze then tape so that I did not dirty it as it would not fit under my gloves. It did feel goog to do something productive and add a touch of beauty to my property.
Claire, are you drinking mushroom tea? Is that were you get your energy? And do you have any for sale at a good price for me and Lisa? lol. I was thinking about getting a tricyle, one of those big ones so I can ride as slowly as I want. There is a guy in my town who is mentally challeged and also drinks way too much and he has one of those things. I see him everywhere, have seen him at the likker store and have seen him in the roadway too close to the road. But he is fit. I know I need to get fit but that is just not a priorty or even a possibility at this point in my life. I can barely walk as I have nasty bursitis in my left hip. I could not keep up with Chrissy at times and she is older than I. I guess I need to get fit to land my dream job, ehhh? I like what I do for a living but it is just a very stressful gig.
Gail, men can be so shallow and insensitive. It bothers me that your DH thinks you were never skinny, you might tell him that a better fit for him would be a girl with an eating disorder. Do I need to send my people to remind him that as woman, we should be judged by what is in our hearts and not our appearance? My people are good but have failed me lol.. Of course we all want to be skinny, pretty and have that perfect figure which used to be 36 26 36. My DH has told me I am getting heavy. I was up to 140 lbs but have lost nearly ten despite the tamox. But this is due to stress and lack of an appetite. I just made my lunch and it was just a wrap of a slice of cheddar and lettuce. If I moved like I used to BC (before cancer), I would be too skinny. And you know what, I would love to have my new boobs bigger, have a lower forehead, a smaller chin and pumped lips but I am what God made me. Sadly, most men do not see us this way. Of course we do our best to look our personal best but back to the point, most men are just insensitive. I have tried reverse phychology on DH when he picks on my flaws but it does not phase him. I have reminded him that he "parts his teeth in the middle" meaning he has a gap and I know that he is self conscious of this. I like it and think it is cute on him but I do upset him when I give it back to him. That is one of my big issues, I like to get even whenever possible and I know this is not Godly behavior. I will work on that one once i see a shrink.
So to recap, beauty is inside and anyone who thinks differently, f you!
Well enough rambling. Feel better Lisa. Gail, are you still DH free? and Claire, happy trails. Will you send me some meals? I miss Chrissy cooking for me! CheerZ! g'night, nap time.........
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yes, DH is away for the weekend. He does tell me I am pretty and his friends tease him about his "much-younger, beautiful wife" and tell him he is an over-achiever. I've told him not to comment on my weight anymore... got the message about 20 pounds ago and obviously his criticism is having the opposite effect! He is very sensitive about his receeding hairline so one time when he mentioned my weight I commented that as we age I will gain weight and he will lose hair... now all I do is look at his forehead when he even hints at the weight issue, which isn't too often anymore. I don't think I've ever been happy and skinny at the same time! Maybe psychologically I'm more comfortable with more weight because I associate being thin with being miserable and unhealthy.
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No, just PG Tips tea, DorK. So the real deal from across the pond.
I don't think I could face mushroom tea first thing in the day. Sounds too much like the green sludge some ladies are convinced is the way to start the day. (I would never get out of bed if that was what I faced.)
Ran into one of my friends cycling, but she was with a group and on a mission. Said "hi" though. I didn't do anything that impressive. But do feel ever so much better.
Think I may stroll down to the wine bar. That is after I fumigate myself. I know they are all active running marathons and such, but they might put me in the shower (the restroom one has one) if I don't scrub myself well here.
Anyway, here is a link someone gave me on the dangers of technology overload. Thought this was the funniest ever as was there 24 hours ago. - Claire
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