Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?

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  • anneb1149
    anneb1149 Posts: 821
    edited November 2014

    Morning all-

    Welcome Catherine. I was and am an avid reader from as far back as I can remember- and I remember many happy hours reading both Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys. Also the Cherry Ames nursing series.

    I am glad you will not be reading this until after your biopsy, because that was the most painful procedure I have ever been through. Good luck, and I hope your pathology requires minimum treatment.

    Chevy, just want to let you know I had a dbl mastectomy with chemo before the surgery, so I was officially cancer-free by the time of surgery, but had 33 radiation treatments as follow-up. The treatment just depends on so many different factors. I also chose not to have any reconstruction.

    My cousin's daughter, with the pancreatic cancer has been sent home, with a follow-up appt with an Onc later this week, and my brother, though still in the hospital, is doing well. Because he is 70, and has had both knees replaced, they want to do some physical therapy with him before he leaves.

    My daughter took me and her son to "The Melting Pot" for dinner last night as a celebration of our birthdays. For those who may not have heard of them, they are a fondue restaurant. It was very good. Dougie enjoyed "cooking" his meat, but didn't like the cheese appetizer. He ate the bread, veggies and apples without coating them with cheese, and did the same with dessert- ate the fruits, cakes, brownies, etc without dipping them in chocolate. I thought it was all delicious.

    Have a great Mon, everyone and Catherine- we are all waiting to hear how your biopsy went

    Anne

  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014

    Hi everyone, my Biopsy was uneventful - no pain. None what so ever. I hardly even felt the novacaine needle. But this is what's bothering me about today.  Last Wednesday when I walked out of mammography and ultra sound it was confirmed that there was a growth close to the scar - a small one - and was confirmed by the radiologist, the surgeon and the Cancer Breast navigator to be a primary.

    Today, when another radiologist came in - a female readiologist, very professional and friendly and explained the processes but said she was going to take samples from two different sites. 

    She explained and drew a picture of original scar and what it looks like on the ultra sound. The scar has a little but of a fuzz on top.  The small tumor, a couple of centimeters away also has a little bit of fuzz on it. I expressed my concern and asked if this then is a spread.  Why didn't the other two doctors notice this.  She said something, I said something and she finally said, she just take samples of the tumor itself.

    No now my mind is everywhere.  I have a call into the BC Navigator to explain things to me.

    Once again terrified. 

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    Nancy/Catherine -- take slow deep breaths.  No two Dr.'s see things the same way.    I have never heard anyone ( I have to say though that I don't visit other threads and forums but on rare occasion )  refer to fuzz on top of anything having to do with biopsies and or tumor etc. 

    Hopefully, your Navigator can clear this up.  I'm sure there is a very reasonable and non-threatening explanation for this "new difference" and that nothing much will have actually changed but maybe "descriptive terms " used for your condition.  It would be nice if Dr.'s would or could find  ways of talking to you by pretty much the same 'terms' all the time -- but they seem to develop a style of speaking which is comfortable for them -- no matter how much it might frighten you. 

    Just know that you are not alone, and that though I know it is one of the hardest things you can do -- do your best to do as little worrying and fretting as possible till you are completely clear about what you are actually fretting about, if anything.    I guess that used to be said as -- " Don't put the cart before the horse " and I do know that for almost all of us -- anything that has much of anything to do with cancer is rather terrifying.  Just breathe, go to an island of peace where calm relaxation soothes your concerns and know that the Universe loves and cares for you along with all of us. 

    Jackie

  • SallyS70
    SallyS70 Posts: 816
    edited November 2014

    Anne


    Anne, I also liked the Cherry Ames nursing series. Trouble with iPad ... Bbl

  • puffin2014
    puffin2014 Posts: 979
    edited November 2014

    Catherine, glad you had no pain with your biopsy, hope the results come back quickly and that a plan is developed for you. It's all so much easier once you have "The Plan"

    I too was an avid reader of the Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys and Cherry Ames series. I remember trying to read in the in the bathroom after I was supposed to be in bed, and while trying to slip a night-light into the socket to read by, my fingernails went into the socket and I got a shock instead. My yelping gave me away and I had to go back to bed.


  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014


    I smiled reading your post, Puffin, as I used to read mine under the blanket with a flashlight. As if no one would notice walking by my bedroom. We were always supposed to be in bed by 9 PM regardless of the time of the year. Summer made sneaking reading easier.

    Now kids have hand-held gizmos surfing the web.

    Catherine

  • wren44
    wren44 Posts: 8,075
    edited November 2014

    I loved Cherry Ames too. My clock had a night light. I could read by it if it was all the way down to the page.

    Puffin, I loved the picture in my mind of that incident.

  • SallyS70
    SallyS70 Posts: 816
    edited November 2014

    I am sorry that my post earlier today was so abrupt.  My iPad and BCO do not seem to like each other any more.  A couple of previous posts have frozen and today I was having trouble getting the typing in the correct area and accurate.

    Blondie, I hope you are packing for or are at the shore. 

    Nancy, your screen name has prompted fun remembrances of early reading adventures.  Puffin, your shocking story is scary and funny but only because there was no mention of bodily damage.

    Hi Jackie, Teka, Wrenn, and Sandra.

    Joan, how wonderful that you were blended in to the Disney experience.  You are amazing ... Disney then DC. 

  • SallyS70
    SallyS70 Posts: 816
    edited November 2014

    Nancy, are you resting?  Waiting for results is tiring and stressful.  You probably realize that you have many friends here thinking of you.

    Hi Chevy, Jackie, Mom, and Teacher.

    Puffin, books and kids ... isn't it fun.  A few years ago I started sharing Fancy Nancy books with 2 of my granddaughters who have now moved up to older characters.  Although the older characters are probably just as much fun, I am still reading the occasional Fancy Nancy book because she tickles my soul.

    Teka, the coffee posters wake me up with a giggle.  Thank you.

    Anne, it's wonderful that your brother is doing well.  I hope your cousin's daughter gets a helpful treatment plan.  Will you brother need further treatment as well as PT?

    I hope everyone has a restful night.

     

     


     

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    Teka --- that graphicThumbsUp

  • anneb1149
    anneb1149 Posts: 821
    edited November 2014

    Sally- it's nice to know someone else who read Cherry Ames- I always dreamed of being a nurse like her..

    Catherine- I think one of my medical people referred to my lymph glands as fuzzy. That meant they didn't have sharp edges, which is something to be looked at. Is it possible that the two areas are close enough together that the other machines (or humans) saw them as one? Don't try to guess what something might or might not mean. We are talking about an extremely small area, I think.

    We went thru something similar several weeks ago with my 12 yr old grandson. He was born with a genetic heart condition that we were told would not affect his life much, except that he shouldn't play contact sports. His dad and I took him to a new cardiologist for a long overdue checkup. Long story short, two Drs and one tech all believed he had a tear in his aortic vessel, and according to them, he was pretty much on the brink of death. We took him to the hospital and did an emergency CT scan. After 5 long hours, the CT scan showed no tear- just a little blood pooled there. So different Drs can see different things- wait until you get a actual pathology report that gives you accurate info before you freak. Easier said than done, I know.

    TTYL

    Anne

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Posts: 9,026
    edited November 2014

    I liked Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.  I still like mystery stories.  Last night DH and I watch Masterpiece Contemporary on PBS.  It was well-done and kept my interest.  I'm glad the next installment will keep the same main character.  Is anybody watching Paradise on PBS?  I've been recording it but haven't watched it.  It looks like another high-classed soap like

    I can't add anything to the advice and empathy already expressed, Catherine.  I didn't have chemo or radiation because my oncotype score was 9 and I had bilateral.  It was my choice.  I could have had lumpectomy but I punished my breast tissue!  Good luck as you learn more of your situation and make your decisions.

  • sandra4611
    sandra4611 Posts: 1,750
    edited November 2014

    Teka, loved the turkeys. Reminds me of this one.

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  • blondiex46
    blondiex46 Posts: 2,726
    edited November 2014

    Nancy great advice from great people.  I know it is hard to shut u r head offbut we r here.  

    Sally a little bit, mostly we do nothing, go nowhere, just sit in pjs all day everyday  talk n just hang, my other cousins show up which is cool being an only child n then finding6 out u have this big family n u belong to them..the story of adoption

    Hugs

    See u from the shore, n hhopefully a visit 2 the ocean or the bay

    Sandy aka blondie

  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014

    Catherine- I think one of my medical people referred to my lymph glands as fuzzy. That meant they didn't have sharp edges, which is something to be looked at. Is it possible that the two areas are close enough together that the other machines (or humans) saw them as one? Don't try to guess what something might or might not mean. We are talking about an extremely small area, I think.

     

    Anneb, when I walked out last week knowing I had a tumor, was told it was small, a primary, but I'd need to get a biopsy.  I also knew that the tumor was a little away from the scar that has been there for 23 years.

    Yesterday: The nurse comes in to go over the procedure and explains that two biopsies will be taken. I said there was a mistake, that there was only one suspicious area.  She said there would be two, then she said maybe she spoke out of line and the radiologist would explain.

    The radiologist came in and drew on a piece of paper what a lumpectomy scar looks like with an ultra sound. Then she drew my tumor, which she said was about two centimeters away from the actual scar.

    She then went on to draw a lightly shaded area, which she referred to as a fuz-like shading,  right on top of the scar. Then she went over to the tumor and shaded the same way and said the tumor has a fuz on it as well. She wanted to take a biopsy of the scar area as well.

    Then she said if didn't want to, she wouldn't.  I felt as though a big hand grabbed me and pulled me back into a dark tunnel. So now I think if the tumor and the scar have similarities, then it has to be a spread and not a primary after all.

    I feel myself sinking into the depths today.

    Catherine

  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014


    Thank you, Tekka. I'm whining, I know. I do a lot better when I know what I'm dealing with but when there are contradicting pieces thrown at me, I go into a panic.  I'm sure I'll know more as the week goes by.  Thanks for listening to me.

    Catherine

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    There are no secrets of success.  Success is doing the things you know you should do.  Success is not doing the things you know you should not do.  Success is discovering your best talents, skills and abilities and applying them where they will make the most effective contribution to your fellow human beings.  Success is ninety-nine percent mental attitude.  It calls for love, joy, optimism, confidence, serenity, poise, faith, courage, cheerfulness, imagination, initiative, tolerance, honesty, humility, patience, and enthusiasm.
     
    Wilferd A. Peterson

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    Ah -- we are here so people can whine -- let loose their REAL feelings about things.  Taught from early on to a degree ( females usually not quite so much ) to buck up and face whatever music ( bad symphony ) comes along and just deal with it.  Ok -- we can do that most of the time, but oh what safety exists if we have somewhere to go and "whine" and get some comfort.  Much of our life is comprised of dealing with negative issues.  They can be really difficult when you are agitated by feelings of strong nervousness and fright. 

    It is really hard to turn off the voices in your head that do not want to let you relax -- that want to question everything.  Rather than the mellowness that would let you have some relaxation -- allow your mind to drift with thoughts having nothing to do with your medical issues. 

    I always envision myself ( and I admit it is easy for me because I lived so close to the ocean in So. California and could go there often ) standing on the beach, usually not too far from a rock formation that tends to gather waves which you can easily see -- and pick a wave.  That wave is my best friend.  I give it all my concerns, all my fears, all my grief or whatever I am experiencing that troubles me -- and it moves from the shore and the rocks and in time -- it has carried everything from me and left it way, way far out -- somewhere on the huge horizon where no one can be affected by it at all.

    That is just what works for me -- though I usually have to wallow in issues for a while before I realize that I have to "get it all away " from me.  So I take it to the ocean shore and just dump it all on the wave that frees me.

    It will get better.  Deep breaths -- one minute at a time -- and feel your inner light. 

    Blessings

    Jackie

  • MomMom
    MomMom Posts: 334
    edited November 2014


    Thank you for that lovely posting Jackie.  I copied it, so I can use it during meditation.  Positive thoughts to you Catherine.

     

  • anneb1149
    anneb1149 Posts: 821
    edited November 2014

    Catherine

    I hope you didn't think I was trying to minimize your feelings here. I had 3 biopsies done on my right breast and one on my left. So I really understand your fears. The days waiting for the biopsy results were awful. I tried to stay busy with reading and household chores, but never really got away from the devastating thoughts in my mind.

    Hang in there anyway you can until you get your results and a treatment plan. Life actually becomes more bearable when you know what you are fighting, and what the battle plan is. Try to distract yourself in any way possible. - rent some movies you would like to see, or see again. If you are near water, take a chair and sit by the water. Read books, especially, in your case, Nancy Drew books which will transport your mind to another time and place. Anything that will distract your mind, even if only for a few minutes here and there.

    If writing your thoughts down help, know you have a truly non-judgemental audience here, who is not here only to read your words, but to let you know that, whatever you are feeling, you are not alone. Trust us to be your soft place to fall, and we will do our very best to honor you and your feelings.

    Praying for quick and clear results

    Anne

  • puffin2014
    puffin2014 Posts: 979
    edited November 2014

    Carole: We watch Paradise. It IS a weekly installment show so you'd be better watching from the beginning. We enjoy it.

  • wren44
    wren44 Posts: 8,075
    edited November 2014

    I used to tell clients to put their problems on fluffy clouds and watch them float away. Then I realized that clouds don't do that here. I changed it to autumn leaves floating down a stream. Any of those remind us that a thought is just passing through and doesn't have to stay.

  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014

    Anneb, not once did I think that. Thank you all, thank you Jackie for giving me some pointers on visualization and tips to lighten my mental load.

    I know things will get better once I know more. This waiting can do you in, as I know you all have gone through it.  I was much younger and more resilient 23 years ago.

  • nancydrew8
    nancydrew8 Posts: 46
    edited November 2014

    I just got a call from the surgeon. It is cancer and it's a primary. We'll be in his office at 10 am to go over course of treatments.  I'll keep everyone posted.

    Catherine

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258
    edited November 2014

    Okay Nancy..... You've jumped one hurdle, and nailed it! You came through it, maybe with more questions and worries than before, but you DID it!

    Two biopsies sound okay to me.... The more they take, the more they will know. they took a few from me.... even in my other breast.... just because it was along for the ride I think.

    They leave little clips in there.... That's so when/if you have thay surgery, they will see just WHERE they took that biopsy, and can take more out.

    They also inserted a damn wire.... It was about 45 feet long I think.... AND that nuclear dye, that takes a couple hours to go up to your lymph nodes, to see where they are. THAT will send you through the roof. Then during the surgery, the ultra-sound sees that mile long wire in where the suspected tumor is, and the surgeon can see precisely where everything is.

    You say you are thinking about having them taken off? That would be my next step, if I ever have this again.... I know what you mean.... Our cute little boobs are not cute nor little anymore. And having a double mastectomy takes away a LOT of worries I hear.... You see, the gals are telling you this.... They have done it, and are doing okay. The more you talk about it, helps....

    I didn't talk about it much to DH.... nor my Daughter's. They worry too much.... It's the women here, AND your Doctors and the notes you take. Ask for copies of your tests, x-rays, results, and everything they do to you.... And write down questions... then you have to write the answers down. Be your own advocate, because you are different than any of us here..... We can offer you our experiences, but you might be different....

    You want me to come out there and see what's going on? Ha! Don't be afraid.... Be in charge... and that's why you want to know the answers....

    I just HATE the waiting! They will set up a plan for you.... But take someone with you to listen.... because you'll forget everything...Winking

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    Just something I wanted to share:

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  • Nash54
    Nash54 Posts: 699
    edited November 2014

    Nancydrew...so glad they are moving ahead so quickly. When I was dx'd my NP said, "bad news is you've got cancer, good news it was caught early and we can take care of it".

    (((hugs)))

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    I'm sorry -- I wanted to share something with you and the pretty picture just would not come out clear enough -- but I did save the words that went along with the picture:

    Love is what we are born with.  Fear is what we learn.  The Spiritual journey is the un-learning of fear and prejudices and the acceptance of Love back into our hearts.

    Love is the essential reality and our purpose on earth.  To be consciously aware of it, to experience love in ourselves and others is the meaning of life.

    Meaning does not lie in things.

    Meaning lies in us.

    Sure wish the picture would have come out, but it wasn't so nice looking at it with a bunch of really blurred words.  It is still dreary this afternoon.  The sun was going to make it out they said -- but I'm thinking maybe not in our shorter days since DST was changed back.  Anyway, I do hope you are all having a great afternoon.  Mine is fine.

    Jackie  

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Posts: 46,506
    edited November 2014

    Ok Nancy Catherine -- we are now on the way.  So glad that your diagnosis is new PRIMARY.  That really means that it is not the former cancer returning which would be cancer that was not completely eliminated at the time of your original diagnosis.  So, I think that is a real plus for you.

    So, now you can relax ( if anyone ever actually does ) at least about that part.  You can now focus on you and your Dr. creating a plan that satisfies both of you in dealing with the "new" cancer.  Hopefully it will not be difficult to accomplish. 

    So glad ( and I hope they are soon done all over ) again for digital mammograms.  I keep driving all the way to deep Southern Illinois ( 75 miles south of my home ) not only because it was where I was originally diagnosed, but MAINLY because they instituted digital mammography as soon as it became available.  I was given a choice of finding a facility closer to home, but I did not want to give up those far better digital pictures.

    We will be with you here every step of the way and cheer you on and give you a place to call your second home.  You can do this and we can help. 

    Blessings

    Jackie

  • carolehalston
    carolehalston Posts: 9,026
    edited November 2014

    Looks like we have two Catherines, Nancy Drew and Mom Mom, so we'll have to differentiate! 

    NancyDrew, I'm glad you have the dx and know the cancer is a primary.  Good luck with your decisions.

    Hi to Cammi and Laurie and Rita and everybody else who isn't checking in.  What happened to Rita?  She disappeared.