Can we have a forum for "older" people with bc?
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Anne, I have to concur with Jackie—orthopedic surgery may be technically “elective” but is definitely not “lifestyle:” impaired mobility can not only ruin QOL, but actually shorten life. Haven’t needed hip replacement yet, but if it’s recommended I am there. Knee replacements changed my life…definitely for the better. (Only downside is that when my HC placard expired, I couldn’t justify asking my doctors to certify a new application—especially since they all have ordered me to walk, walk, walk). I am still 30 lbs. lighter than before the first TKR. AIs make it difficult to control my weight, but if I were immobile due to knee OA it would be even harder. Your son should not hesitate about having the surgery—he may never be an elite “weekend warrior” again, but he will definitely regain and maintain a healthy degree of mobility. And so sorry to hear about your DGS’ Coxsackie virus. It is contagious, so best to ride it out at home and get his homework assignments online.
Jackie, Cami’s pretty active over at the “cocktail lounge” (How About Drinking) thread. I am an aspirational imbiber, due to being ER+, but am still into my 3-drink/wk-equivalent, so I do hang out there and share my wine adventures (and the occasional non-alc. alternative recipe worth sharing).
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Hi gals... Anne.... I had surgery on my back when I was about 45... 2 herniated discs, and I put up with it for about a year, trying different methods to alleviate the pain... physical therapy, traction, even a chiropractor... The chiropractor was the worst.... had to go back to get relief from the pain HE caused.
Finally my Doc referred me to a neuro-surgeon... The pain going down my left leg, into my foot was almost unbearable... I was taking 600mg of Ibuprofen every 4 hours, just for help... I went in for a mylo-gram... then surgery... As soon as I woke up, that pain was gone.
They did a double-laminectomy... 2 disks.... coagulated, and blah-blah... I climbed back on the hospital bed that night....Didn't have to fuse it.... More physical therapy after, then traction, but that pain was gone!
Maybe another opinion or two? Maybe a neurosurgeon instead of an orthopedic surgeon? I just know my surgery went very well... no problems now, even at 79....!
I finally DID get a handicapped placard after my broken hip surgery! I only limp a little.... but my back is fine....There's nothing else to BREAK on that side...Hah!
Bottom line is .... NO-one wants surgery.... but when you can't take the pain, when you lose quality of life, or can't even sit for move than a few minutes, you will do almost anything for relief. If I had KNOWN the surgery, and the recovery would have gone as well as it did, I would have done it sooner. I was back to work in 2 weeks, giving tours, etc.
His "team" or Doctor doesn't sound very convinced in the out-come...I would try a few more opinions!
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Anne - I agree with Chevy. Do have your son get a 2nd opinion and do make sure it's a neurosurgeon. Orthopods are great for bones, but my friend the nurse told me to always go with a neurosurgeon for the back because there are so many nerves in the spinal cord & area that send signals to the brain.
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Hi from Hull, MA! ChiSandy, I noticed you are taking Femara. I started it a week ago after 6 months on Aromasin. I had terrible back pain that started at about 5 months in. The hot flashes were terrible too but my MO put me on Effexor and it did a great job. Since it has only been a week on Femara, I am still getting used to it I think. Hot flashes every morning and still have trouble falling asleep. But my hair is growing back after chemo and that is a good thing plus it's coming back curly. I was 64 when I was diagnosed last year after my routine mammogram. I had my first one since treatment on September 7th and it was normal but have to go back in 6 months for another one. Radiologist said due to surgery and radiation, there were changes and he feels 6 months is good for a re-check.
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Hi, everyone
Thanks for your input. This is Tim's second or third opinion. And the Dr in charge of the ER Tim works in, as well as being the head of all EMT services for Broward County is the one who got Tim in to see this Dr. Apparently he is the best of the best in our area. Tim did mention a neurosurgeon, but I don't remember if this Dr is one, or if he is going to consult with one. Tim's working at the hospital is definitely a bonus. His sister-in-law, who is a pediatric dermatologist at the same hospital, went to the MRI with Tim the other night, so she would know exactly what the Dr said, and be able to make sure Tim understands his options. It sounds a lot like what you went through, Chevy. Tim's one leg is numb a lot from the disc's pressing on the nerve. Unfortunately,Tim who is an incredible caring young man is also a very stubborn young man and when he makes a decision, no amount of working to get him to change his mind gets thru. I have no idea why he wants to wait for the surgery, other than its outcome not being guaranteed. One summer he choked on a cheese stick appetizer at a restaurant and refused to eat anything but cereal and jr whoppers fromBurgerKing. For an entire summer. Made no difference that whatever I made for dinner had no cheese at all, and the jr whopper had cheese, he had decided and that was that. So I will try to be supportive of whatever choice he makes.
Anne
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Okay, I understand.... I know what it is like when a guy/man sets his mind on something, and will not budge! Yes, the side of my leg was numb for the longest time! Even after the surgery.... but that all came back. It was that sciatica pain that I just couldn't take anymore. If he takes enough pills, and it helps, he might not go for the surgery....
Sounds like he is one of the stubborn ones, and will listen to no-one.... so guess you have tried your best.... that's all you can do..... My Brother's grown Son, is in a 1/2 way house.... keeps everyone awake with his coughing.... So my DB is trying his hardest to get him to quit that smoking! Plus, the COST of smoking, and this kid has no money! Well, not to waste on smoking!
It's like you always try to "fix" your kids.... no matter what.....
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Hello everyone, I've been lurking here awhile but finally had to chime in and say I'm glad to see Chevy here. I love your sense of humor but I also love that I've found someone here older than me. I just had my 76th BD in August. Now, I'd like to see Cami show up and tell us how old she is. Maybe that will bring her so she can brag about being even older or vice versa. :-)
Illinoislady, I love all the little nuggets of wisdom you post. They so often speak to my heart.
Rest well everyone,
Faith (in the future
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Faith, I'll be 76 in October, so you're not alone. I can still do most of what I've ever done and haven't slowed down.
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Oh hey Faith! Cammi don't even know how old she is anymore. She once said she was 32.... but that was before they invented refrigerators....
Yes! Isn't it fun to find someone older? Hah! It kind of gives us hope, I say. Whoever thought I would be where I am today? I mean 24 sounded old when I was 18! And somethings DO get better.... not necessarily your parts, but your life seems more of a gift to you, more than it ever did. You become more appreciative... now THAT'S a word Cammi will not understand, I don't think..... I think everybody else at the mall looks older than we do..... So I put on more lip-gloss and feel pretty good....
I know it's just a state of mind... but what else do we have? Looking in the mirror does become rather dis-heartening sometimes... So don't do it. At least without throwing in those hot rollers, and spending time putting your face on. I still do it... every morning... I just don't like to scare people away, while running around in the yard, or going shopping.
And life is still fun! We get out almost every day, if even just to walk around the Mall, or go pick something up.... Even if we don't need it, if it's on sale, ya just gotta HAVE it!
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An old man's T SHIRT QUOTE I am not 60. I am 16 with 44 years of experience. Think different , problems common to all but attitude makes a difference.
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Cammi, I think you should stop drinking and get over here. Hey, I will even stop letting others take credit for your quotes. Isn't that an offer you can't refuse. Seriously, I do wish you'd pop in. You know ---- you make me feel so young and all that.
Anyway hope you are all going to have a fabulous Friday. A bit on the toasty side here but we are in a time period where it goes that way. We just in the last week had our roads into the woods oiled and chipped. O my, I really dislike it, but we have to have good roads. The gravel ( white ) is very dusty and I at least am happy that they put enough on that we don't get oil splashing up on our cars. That has happened in yrs. past when our city/township budgets had a lot to be desired. That means turpentine to take the oil off, then a good washing and waxing etc. Now it just means more washing of your car which I may do this afternoon some time -- we will see. I may try to hold out till Monday and use the car wash to dissipate the white dust.
Time also to start the annual gathering to nuts and falling leaves. It is mild right now but un-mistakable that Fall is arriving. It is a hard time of year for us with hilly land and we have to blow all the leaves off the lawn into the ravines either side. Sometimes I feel tempted to let them lay on the ground over the winter as fodder for the lawn in Spring but that means almost as much work in the Spring.
Are you coming Cammi????
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Hi all. You guys crack me up. I'm assuming Cami and Chevy have a long history here on this thread, and I too love the humor!
Someone was talking about ortho surgeries. I've now had 3 hip replacements, a full knee replacement, total foot reconstruction, trigger thumb surgery, and shoulder reconstruction (bad genes and heredity!) Surgery is so much better now than my first hip replacement. My brother also had a full shoulder replacement and just had back surgery for 3 fractured and bulging discs. He even had it as outpatient and did remarkably well. The important thing is to have faith in your surgeon, but the pain and QoL really needs to be considered. Good luck with your son, Anne.
Hope all have a good weekend,
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ChiSandy,
Hope you let us know when your cd comes out. I didn't know until today what type of music you played. Have you ever been to the Michigan Dulcimer Festival? It is about 15 miles from my town and is held every summer.
My next door friend neighbor in Tucson (my winter home) plays two different dulcimers. I love sitting on the patio and hearing her music drift through the yard. She is currently battling bc and she sleeps a lot so not hearing the music this fall. I would love to get her and me your cd. Please send me a message when you have them available. Thanks
Jo
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Morning gals.... SHEESH Dara! You have had a LOT going on there! See now, Cammi, if she ever finds her way back here, is going to think you have 3 hips.... And your KNEE? Oh holy-cow, that hurts just to read all this!
But yes, EVERYthing has come a long way... and a SHOULDER? You should invest in Duck Tape & Bailing Wire, and try holding those things together yourself.....And a friend on here has her hip that keeps going out of the socket!! Even on the way home from the Emergency room, it went out of place again when she got out of the car!
So now she has to wear this hip-brace stabilizer thing! YOU on the other hand, need a full body brace! I don't mean to tease, but if it will make you have a smile, it is worth it..... Sometimes that's all we have, right?
It's only 45 degrees here girls!!!
Okay.... this is really beautiful!...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy3h6--fMBA 0 -
You are a child of the universe, "fearfully and wonderfully made." In the history of creation, there has never been anyone like you. Accept this reality about yourself— that you are a special, unique human being who has a place on this earth that no one else can fill. Acknowledge yourself as a glorious expression of your loving Creator. This healthy self-love will form the foundation of a joyful and satisfying life. Then, as you love and accept yourself, your inner light will shine outward to bless and heal your fellow human beings.

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Teka, thanks for the birthday wishes. I assure you it was a great birthday. Everyday when I wake up ( and especially on my birthday ) and my chest is moving in and out I jump out of bed knowing I have another fantastic day to try and make someone ( even if it is only feral cats that day ) happy and peaceful with sort of gift. Food, some joy, a smile or two, a bit of conversation --- and something that is so important -- just listening to someone while trying to understand what they are truly saying. Life is such a gift.
Chevy, I loved the David Doring video. I especially am fond of pan flute music. Mr. Doring's was extra nice I thought with the beautiful setting --- in the middle of some rocks on a mountainside in the mountains, then beautiful flowers. It just seems the perfect setting for pan flute music. I have a favorite pan flutist. Zamfir. He designs and builds his own pan flutes and has even added a couple of extra notes to his though that is not something I would notice since I don't read music or know anything much about it except what sounds pleasing to me. Anyway -- after listening to Zamfir I really have to 'study' my surroundings a bit because I feel like I've been away somewhere after I listen to his music.
Dara, yes, yes, yes --- Chevy and Cammi are total cut-ups here. Usually keep us in stitches here. Some people have talent and if we can ever get Cammi sobered up enough to get back here, ah. Well we can hope.
Nice semi-fall day here. Not starting out too warm thank goodness. Hope it stays nice. I dusted my car yester ( but my there was so much dust on it ) rather than do a washing. Trying to hold off since I have a little extra work to do till Sunday night.
Sandra I am thinking about you and Mike with my fingers crossed so hard their cramping. Sending love and care to you both.
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AhHah! Yes.... getting the Cam-miester sobered up is aNOTHER thing... She has this sort of "job" where she pretends she is running this plumbing ..... uh..... company. So I think, from what I understand, that she takes "calls" on her old-time corded telephone.... you know.... like we used to have.... And I think then she sends her guys out on calls.... so she says....
Actually, she is one of my favoritest people in the world.!!! Never met her OR Jackie, but there is just something about people, that just wiggle into your heart, and stay there, forever.
Yes, I can tease her, but she can really give it back.... Would someone please tell her we are talking to her, so she had better wake up? She'll probably sleep now, until maybe Monday morning!
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The mighty hunter --- standing tall and proud !!!! Yeah.
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It's been a tough fight, but it appears Mike is in remission from Acute Myeloid Leukemia. No one expected him to respond like this, especially since his recovery from the harsh chemo was derailed by three infections, two blood clots, and paralytic ileus, a serious complication. His blood counts were in the toilet for weeks, but once he started getting better, they rose quickly. A bone marrow biopsy showed the percentage of leukemia in his body was 0%. His doctor kept saying, "This is GREAT!!" After 10 days of outpatient testing, 44 days as an inpatient, and 5 more days of outpatient treatment at MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, Mike got a short 5 day break. (They wanted his lab tests to show higher levels and for him to get a bit stronger before he begins more chemo on Monday.) We were allowed to come home to San Antonio as long as he got daily treatment at our hospital here. (He gets daily IV antibiotics, potassium and magnesium. It's been nice to sleep in our own bed, but we have to go to the hospital every morning (including Sat. & Sun.) at 7:30 a.m. and we don't finish until mid-day. Mike is very weak. He cannot stand by himself but once I get him to standing, he can usually manage with a rollater for a little bit. Most of the time I have him in a wheelchair. He can't get up and down from the toilet, can't get in or out of the bed, etc. It's been a stressful and worrisome few days since Mike has fallen several times. Scares me to death. He's down to 145 lbs now from his usual 220-230. BUT, he's still alive and the doc says he might stay in remission for months.
I'm physically and mentally exhausted but now is not the time to rest yet. We drive back tomorrow afternoon.
Mike's bone marrow donor, his sister Lisa, lost her husband Brian this week. He had brain cancer, diagnosed 3 months ago...he was only 45. Not fair.
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Thinking of you Sandra.... Don't know how I would find the strength to go on.... either one of you.... So glad that at least you both have something to hang on to! A little bit of good news is ALWAYS welcome! Sorry about his Sisters' Husband... No.... it isn't fair... No-one can explain why these things happen....
I just know that we never give up hope! Like you..... God bless both of you!
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Sandra, So glad to hear you get good news. It has been such a long road for both of you. Praying for you both.
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You will find when you look back upon your life, that the moments when you have really lived are the moments when you have done things in the spirit of love.
Henry Drummond
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Sandra, I took am so pleased at your news -- even knowing that it has been such an uphill climb every minute of every day. I've always said it is amazing what you can do when you have no choice and that really makes me think of you. We all here I feel look up to you, but part of that is our desire to try and help you hold on and hold up. I hope you have some time along the way here for yourself -- to re-charge a bit --- even if it is just a good cry.
Sad to hear about your and Mike's brother-in-law Brian. Some life lessons are so painful and not fair. Prayers for Lisa and your whole family.
Jackie
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Sandra....so glad for the remission. I can only imagine how hard all this has been on both of you. Sending hugs and continued prayers for recovery for Mike and strength for you, dear.
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Sandra - Thanks for sharing the positive news. Sending you strength.
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Sandra, terrific news about Mike—he will get stronger. Meanwhile, best healing wishes for him getting through the next round of chemo—you know what they say about having to break a few eggs to make an omelet…
So sorry for his BIL Brian (may his memory be for a blessing), and prayers for Lisa’s comfort and consolation, as well as patience and strength for you (and for some much-needed help in caregiving).
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We've been in San Antonio since Wed attending a conference and thinking of you every day, Sandra and Mike. So happy for the progress Mike has made.........now he needs to gain some strength and weight and you need some rest!
We don't experience many thunderstorms in our neck of the woods so it's been rather exciting to watch a wild one this afternoon with more on the way. Oregon also doesn't have this much humidity........86 degrees and 90% humidity? We walked to the Alamo, a block from the Hyatt on the Riverwalk, and I hardly made it back! Tomorrow we plan to drive to the Hill Country and Austin so hoping it's a bit cooler. Tues we''re flying home and the weather girl on TV just reported it should cool down and clear up here on Tues.....Just my luck, lol.
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Luvmaui, what you said about T-storms in the PNW underscores the misconceptions so much of the country has about that region. I spent 7 years in Seattle, on the “wet side of the mountains,” and the rain we had almost daily from Oct-May ran the gamut from mist to drizzle. At my bridal shower in Brooklyn, one gift I got was a big clear plastic “bubble” umbrella. I hardly ever used it. After we moved here to Chicago in summer ’78, it seemed as if there were at least one heavy-duty storm every few days; the first time I heard “tornado watch” on the radio I wondered why nobody was dashing for cover. And on my first trip up to Madison to visit my sister (w/o benefit of GPS or road map, just general directions) we were tooling along I-90 just w. of Rockford when we heard “tornado spotted near Beloit, WI.” We figured we were still in IL and thought nothing of it, till we saw a sign announcing the “S. Beloit” exit. Turned my gaze to the NW just in time to see the funnel retreat back into the dark cloud from which it came.
I lived through three small quakes in Seattle (plus another when I went back for an alumni reunion) and shrugged them off. But now 38 years after moving to Chicago, I still occasionally get nightmares about being on a high floor in a glass-walled luxury condo and seeing twisters on the horizon, with no time to get to the basement.
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I'm officially done with the "she's so flawed but she is the lesser of two evils" rhetoric. Cause, you know, I'm flawed. And you are flawed. And Bernie Sanders is flawed and Barack Obama is flawed and even Michelle Obama is flawed. But the difference between all of them and me--and probably you, is that they have all given their flawed lives to public service. And now, they are all working together in their inevitably flawed ways, to save all of us, and the whole world from a sociopathic narcissist. And every day, Hillary puts a hopefully unflawed bullet proof vest on her flawed and aging and sometimes unsmiling self and stands up in front of people who have been incited by her opponent to shoot her, and she says calm and rational and intelligent (and sometimes flawed) things about how to make a difference. In my book that makes her a fucking rock star. And in the words of another flawed and resilient rock star. There is a crack in everything. That's where the light gets in.
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Listen to your life. See it for the fathomless mystery that it is. In the boredom and pain of it no less than in the excitement and gladness: touch, taste, smell your way to the holy and hidden heart of it, because in the last analysis all moments are key moments, and life itself is grace.
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