HIgh ALP and very concerned. Please help
I posted a few weeks ago that my ALP levels were rising and had been since starting letrozole and officially entering menopause. I just took another blood test and the high normal for them was 121. I am now at 129. So now I'm officially high instead of at the high end of normal. I don't want a bone scan but something is causing them to rise. I am slight, although my dexa last year didn't diagnose me with osteopenia it was only because I was under 50. I would have been diagnosed with it if I had been above 50. I exercise everyday but I know that bone mass is tough to put on after menopause. My calcium was at 9.8. That was higher than last time but my vitamin D3 was low six months ago and the supplements I took rose it so I'm thinking that the slight increase there was because of that. Anyway I fasted during this test and avoided exercise for 48 hours before so I know it's a real rise. I do not want a bone scan. I am asymptomatic right now and have horrific scanxiety. But I know this should be investigated. Any ideas what is causing it? Everything else appears normal although last year my thyroid levels were checked. I am not classified yet with hypothyroidism but I was significantly flirting with it. I think high APL is associated with hyperthyroidism though.
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Sorry your ALP is still in the upper range. Still a borderline value in the upper range of normal. I also had a 129 last year. Calm down and ask your oncologist if this is a reason for concern and if an investigation with scans etc. is warranted. I am sure the answer will be no. They may check for hyperthyroidism though. And this can be a result of bone loss due to lower estrogen due to your hormonal treatment.
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I understand the panic and also tend to spiral when I see something out of normal range. Actually, it was you who reminded me to trust my medical team when I had some abnormal numbers a few months ago, and if they are not concerned, I shouldn't be either. And you were right. But I think we are alike in the sense that we can see things more clearly when it isn't our own situation!
Blood work is only a very small part of the whole picture and although we have had to learn much more about all this than we ever wanted to, we still aren't the experts so we can't always interpret the numbers in the right context. There are so many other reasons for an elevated ALP. I think you will feel better after speaking to your oncologist. I know I always do.
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Thank you, Maude. I do say that and truly believe it. It's just quite hard for me when I am on the fence about something and don't have a definitive answer. I hope my oncologist can calm my fears without a scan and thank you for reminding me of my own words.
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Hello!
What did you end up finding out about your increasing alp level? I’m in a similar boat and would love to followup with you on this.
Thanks!
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Hi Sun! In answer to your question, I don't know :) I suspect though it has nothing to do with mets and everything to do with bone loss since it's been a gradual increase over the first year since I started letrozole. If you're in your first year, bone loss would be a much more likely explanation than mets also. Even if you're not in your first year that's still a much more likely explanation. In fact out of all the people that I've read who have posted about rising ALP levels (and there have been quite a few) I think only one came back with associated bones mets and they had actual bone pain six months after their rise started. So ALP levels are not a good indicator of bones mets and I'm sure is why my oncologist was not worried. I did decide to start zolodrenic acid infusions though since I was technically osteopenia on my dexa scan. No side effects from that either although I've only had one infusion so far out of four. My next blood work test is due next month and we'll see what it's at then.
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Hi @sunlover08, sometimes dental work and arthritis can affect ALP as well. I sit at 113 - just outside of normal but have arthritis and spondylosis and recently had dental work. My onc is not concerned about it, and she is very careful - almost like a mother hen in some respects.
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I also have high ALP for 2 years. It started with chemo and stayed high
It fluctuates but always high. Dr told me it’s the medicine but endocrinologist referee me a bone scan .
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@kaynotrealname Thank you! And thank you to the others that responded as well! Due to ongoing left hip pain and an increasing ALP (highest was 123) I had my first petscan Friday per my Oncologist and i’m happy to report there was no evidence of malignancy/metastatic disease! I was diagnosed stage 2a hormone + in 12/22.
So our assumption is exactly as you said, Letrozole must be the culprit. I started that in September of 23 and by January my ALP shot from 78 to 123. The hip pain we found is Osteoarthritis.
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Thanks so much for coming back, Sunlover, to give us an update. With pain it was a good idea to do a scan just in case but as usual, the rising ALP didn't appear to be associated with anything but the medication. Good for everyone to be aware of. On another note my doctor said they wouldn't be concerned until ALP levels rose 2 times the upper highest limit. Hoping they've stabilized for me next scan in a couple of weeks now that I've started zolodrenic acid infusions. Hope your's stabilizes, too. It would be pretty crappy to be cured of breast cancer only to die from a hip fracture due to osteoporosis :/
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That makes perfect sense, that you would need to see a significant rise in ALP to be concerned! I too eventually will start Zometa infusions, I just have one more surgery this month to go and starting Verzenio post surgery - then Zometa. I am on the “younger” side, diagnosed at 41 so i need to be careful about my bone health for the future. I am making sure to take my vit d, calcium citrate, exercise…praying for continued bone health throughout this journey!
I am sending so much positive vibes for perfect scans and sending so much healthy and healing energy your way!!! Please keep me posted! ❤️1 -
Thank you so much. I have checked my ALP for 10 years. It has been high before. The last 2 years it’s always high . I wasn’t stress out but the bone health dr asked for scan made me stressed . MO told me you can wait or have a scan . Doubling made me feel better.
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My Alp was 176 in last blood work and I went for bone scan. There is no sign of bone cancer.
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We're super glad to hear that, Sergio! Thanks for posting!
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So happy to see that sergio74!!! You must feel very relieved!
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For anybody who comes across this in reading, I went for my six month checkup today. My ALP levels fell 35 points and that was with only one zolodrenic acid infusion. So remember that if you start seeing a gradual increase in your ALP numbers after starting AI's that it is much more likely to be bone loss due to aging factors and not actual bone mets.
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Thank you for the response. I am sure it will be helpful for others who may have the same situation.
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Thank you for the info
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I have ALP high for a year and after many tests (ultrasound , scan) concluded that reason for it is from fast bone loss!I was on prolia and year ago I switched to ZA
All pain, high ALP and big bone loss happened after this switch
Prolia is strong medication and while was on I was ok when stoped 2 times during 9 years period being on, had (first time) vertebra compression fracture and now lots of pain, bone loss and high ALP
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Fast bone loss from osteoporosis/osteopenia seems to be the most likely culprit with high ALP levels. My ALP levels have now stabilized well within the normal limits. I have had three zolodrenic acid infusions and my oncologist wants me to do six total now instead of stopping at four so I have three more to go. Hopefully my bones will hold steady when I'm done. Thanks for sharing, Amy!
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I am currently dealing with elevated ALP numbers… 2 blood draws in a row, then went to normal range and now the last 3 blood draws, show it's elevated again. Oncologist wants me to do a bone scan. Doc told me Letrozole doesn't cause elevated ALP but the nurse I just spoke to says it does. I also silently wonder if menopause is the culprit as well.
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Hi Rsviigs! Technically letrozole doesn't cause bone loss. It's the lack of estrogen that letrozole causes that can cause bone loss :) So, you're right. This is probably menopause. In fact, since I have made the original post I have seen numerous people talking about high ALP. None of them have had bone mets. It's been just aging bones every time. Some facts to keep you calm as you figure out with your doctor how you want to proceed is looking at your first dexa scan before you started taking letrozole. How were your bones then? Mine said I would have had osteopenia if I had been over 50. Secondly, is your calcium normal and not elevated? Bone loss caused by mets will lots of time cause elevated calcium levels. Thirdly how elevated is your ALP? If it's not two times the normal limit (for my hospital that would be above 220) then my doctor doesn't worry about it. Anyway I'm so sorry about this but I have learned that the one constant thing it seems after cancer is for everyone to jump at every little thing in our blood work. And a lot of time we have little things because we're still human and the body can be quirky occasionally. But the vast majority of the time there is nothing to worry about.
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Thank you so much for responding. I know it’s been a while since the original post so I appreciate you taking time out of your day to ease some of my concerns. My ALP numbers are not very high they’re slightly out of range but they’re definitely not two times. My bone density test that I took last summer everything came back normal. I have really good health insurance I’m just in a little bit of medical debt and I don’t add to it by having a bone scan if there’s nothing to be concerned about.
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The first year on letrozole is the worse on bone loss. And although this isn't a popular stance and I would caution that one should definitely always let their doctors lead on treatment, whether to approve a scan or not is entirely up to you. Once you've had any type of cancer, scans for a lot of medical groups seem to be the first course of action when something out of the normal range, even slightly, pops up. Granted you have had more than one out of normal blood test so I get exactly why your oncologist suggested it. I would have had that, too, though if I hadn't researched and jumped on bisphosphonates immediately after I reached the highest end of normal and then had that second test that went above normal. I asked my doctor about them, although she wasn't concerned about my results, she agreed they couldn't hurt, I had my first infusion two weeks later which insurance completely covered, and by my next blood work six months later my ALP had dropped like 45 points putting me right back into the normal limit. Anyway food for thought and I wish you the best.
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After my zoledronic acid infusion for bone dentistry, my ALP levels, which had been consistently high for three years, dropped into the normal range.
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My ALP started getting high (borderline or just above the limit) when I got my ovaries removed and started taking an aromatase inhibitor. I also got osteoporosis during that period of high ALP. It lasted two years. And it came down after my zoledronic acid infusion.
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My ALP levels returned to normal after the zoledronic acid infusion.”
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