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  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Posts: 470
    edited May 2011

    Hi Ladies-I often read this thread but don't post because it moves so fast, but I really appreciate Laura and clfinch's posts. I relate to both of you in so many ways.

    Elizabeth-I also appreciate your comments about coming to terms with this illness and the whole process of it. I thought implants would be the easiest way to go with relatively good results. I was not not looking to be like I was before either. In clothes I look fine. On the small side, but fine and most of the time I feel very grateful to even have that. I have to confess though at times I feel disappointed at how I look without clothes and  the many issues I still have with them. I am coming to terms with it more and more, but my only wish was to look as good as I possibly could with reconstructed breasts. Who really knows the answer, is this as good as it gets? 

  • Estel
    Estel Posts: 2,780
    edited May 2011

    I think that having reconstruction may post-pone our grief for the loss of our breasts.  We're busy fighting for our lives, we have high expectations for the reconstruction.  Many of us have immediate reconstruction.  We have our breasts removed and then TE's immediately placed with at least a little saline put in ... and we're looking forward ... forward to the fills, forward to the exchange.  And when it's finally over ... I think for the first time since our diagnosis we come to terms with our loss.  We've lost our breasts.  We'll never be the same again.  And I think that reality hits us hard after the exchange because we've been pushing, pushing, pushing through all the treatment and all the reconstruction and then ... it's over.  We're left to deal with the aftermath.  Somewhere ... maybe it was on foobville ... during the holidays we talked about post-traumatic stress disorder.  I think for many of us ... after we've gone through all of this ... PTSD ... hits us hard.  "What have I done?"  And all the emotions that go with that.  We need to allow ourselves time to grieve.  For myself ... I wasn't able to do that until it was all over ... and the reality had sunk in. 

    I'm extremely grateful for what they can do and that I can have reconstructed breasts.  But they will never replace the natural.  It's OK to grieve that ... we just can't get stuck there.  xo

  • Lilah
    Lilah Posts: 2,631
    edited May 2011

    Jerusha -- congratulations on having come to a decision.  I know how hard it has been for you and I am very excited for you!  I too will say an extra prayer for you on the 12th... and hope the final result will be pleasing to you in every way.  I think they do those surgeries in stages, right?  So this will be step one and then there will be revisions after?  At any rate, I wish you the best and please do keep us posted!

  • Jerusha
    Jerusha Posts: 339
    edited May 2011

    Thanks so much, Lilah. Some places (Beth Israel in NY, for one) try to accomplish the whole thing in one procedure. Others plan on more or less tweaking at a revision type of surgery. NOLA is known for offering lots of lipo body contouring at the second surgery if you want it. At the least, there is a second procedure for nipples, but like with implants, that can be outpatient. I am really scurrying around trying to get ready, not knowing how long I'll be out of commission for, and can only focus on next week! My son sent me, today, beautiful and delicious (I couldnt wait for Mothers Day) hand-painted chocolate truffles. I have been eating them guiltlessly knowing that the fat that ensues is soon to be re-purposed! 

  • Estel
    Estel Posts: 2,780
    edited May 2011
    Jerusha - How fun!  Eat, girl, eat!  Laughing  Enjoy the truffles!  xo
  • Lilah
    Lilah Posts: 2,631
    edited May 2011

    LOL love it Jerusha -- enjoy!  I sent my mom an assortment of chocolate covered strawberries.  Thought she'd enjoy that for a change (usually I send flowers).

  • AnnetteS
    AnnetteS Posts: 22
    edited May 2011

    I am scheduled for my exchange on May 12 and have a couple of questions for those of you who  have gone before me.  I know the infomation might be somewhere in these 704 pages, but I will admit I have not read ALL of the pages.

    I have been running a low grade fever for the past week (usually between 99.5 and 100.5) in the afternoons and evenings.  In the morning I am fever free.  I was told that if I was sick they would reschedule the surgery.  I asked PS for antibiotics and was denied.  I went to PCP and was told no antibiotics.  Probably just a cold.  Does anyone know how sick you have to be to have the surgery canceled?  I really want to get this over with and am trying to stay well.

    Also, how long do people take off work for this surgery? I was told a week or two.  But I am reading on here that many of you are told not to walk for exercise or do housework? I don't have a desk job and although I can sit most of the day if I need to, I am usually pretty active at work (walking, bending, moving,  NOT lifing heavy things)

  • ibcmets
    ibcmets Posts: 312
    edited May 2011

    How sick you have to be in order for a cancellation is up to the PS.  I don't believe they do surgery with a temperature.  I had a mild cold and called that in and that was ok as long as my lungs were not congested.

    I believe you should at least take a week off.  Being under anethesthisia and having the surgery will take a bit to gain your energy levels back and you will have pain for a couple of days.  Ask your PS his recommendation.

    Terri

  • eulabt
    eulabt Posts: 29
    edited May 2011

    AnnetteS- I had a really bad cough and cold 2 weeks before surgery. It took me almost a week and half to get over it. 5 days before the surgery, I had my pre-op and just let my Dr know about it and they said I was fine. I worried until the very end. I also let the surgery center know, so they could make the call. When i went in the morning of, I also told the anestisiologist(sp) that I still had a very small amount of mucus that I was coughing up(damn expanders, I couldn't get a deep enough cough out). I was able to have my surgery and am 6 days out with no issues. I would let everyone know about your fever and see what they say.

    I would take a week off of work. The exchange is so  much easier, but I think i would play it safe. I know people that have had the surgery on Fri and gone to work on Mon. 

    Good Luck,

    Eula 

  • annettek
    annettek Posts: 1,160
    edited May 2011

    i am still getting aquainted with the new me....somedays I like 'em other days not so much. It helps for me to look at myself naked but not to the point where I obsess over the lack of perfection which is of course, simply does not exist. Hell, I do that even when looking at my face or any other thing on myself-not just my boobs- I start picking apart what I don't like and well, you know how that goes.

    Does that means one settles for obvious shoddy results? naw. I was fortunate enough to stumble upon a duo of BS and PS who work together with the PS specializing in reconstruction. Not just for BC but other PS botch jobs. But again, it was merely luck for at that point I was shell-shocked and had no frigging idea what was going on. Truthfully- breasts were the last thing on my mind. I had instantly annouced I wanted a BMX but was more scared about dying than anything else.

    I remember the first visit to the PS- it was all so foreign to me. I saw these healthy vibrant women so happy and friendly with him and his staff and I thought- well, that's nice- I would be damn perky too if I did not have BREAST CANCER. Then I found out they were BC patients. So, that gave me a little bit of hope. The PS said right from the start- if you trust me and do exactly as I say I will do my very best to get you to the place where you have the best possible result. It is hard for me to listen sometimes and I like to steer the ship- but I have found it to be true. i was furious at wearing my bra for now going on EIGHT weeks with no serious upper arm movements. He keeps pointing out healing to me-to not be in a rush now and land up with better long term results. I have to say, he has been right so far. I did get in his face once over something that was just a result of my own fears and he reiterated that he truly did know best in this case. What was odd was that I had talked to a woman in waiting room and she was almost two years out from surgery and finally wrapping it up after lots of problems. She ended our conversation with "He is brilliant, listen to him". When I went in for my appointment the PS did not say her name but in context it was who he was talking about when he said please listen to what I tell you or you will be in a mess like others who think they know best-that there was patient he was finally going to be able to release who had delayed her own recovery by trying to be "right".  I got it. This does not mean that I did not feel free to ask questions and raise concerns to which he always responds. We have settled on his knowing I am going to always say at our appointments "Are these your very best?..." When I brought in my zipfront Danskin from walmart for 10 bucks he was thrilled on how it worked and said he would reccomend it to others. I guess what I am saying it is important to have a balance of questions and ideas-if I could not talk to him on a personal level I think (no, I know) I would have been forced to go elsewhere after the fact. It hits me that perhaps the best PS would be one who sees both typical plastic surgery clients as well as having a speciality in reconstruction. From an asthetic standpoint. He wants me to live and be healthy (always talking about foods, how to take the least amount of drugs in every case, etc) yet he is all about achieving the best asthetic result as well. I came to realize that so much of our asthetic result is truly dictated by our own bodies-there is simply a point where there is no more "repair".

    Ulitmately, it meant taking it all into consideration and judging the outcome against what caused me to this in the first place-BC. I am thrilled that clothes look good and that we live in a place and time where reconstruction is possible.

    Do I want the "best boobs"? Of course I do. And I am hoping to get to a place where I have the "best boobs" in this set of circumstances. My husband and I are the really the only two who see my boobs - well, except for the pictures I post on pic forum and showing friends in the bathroom! Once I am pleased and hubby is (although he has been from the start-it helps when he shakes his head and says that is just a fricking miracle) then everyone else's thoughts on my boobs do not really matter. They are part of who I am now and I wear them proudly. I tell people they are NOT fake-that the fact is that I have been growing them since November 18, 2010. Fastest puberty of all time. Except the first time around I did not get to pick out the size and eventual location of my nipples. I am trying to lighten up and enjoy the process and it has helped enormously. I understand why we get so frustrated and angry- we have been through so much damn fear and horrors that nobody without BC can really understand so it is almost expected that we frig out on this part of it.

    I feel so bad for those who have met up with friggin butchers and am just amazed how so many of those "botched" jobs eventually get resolved to something that is beautiful once the right PS is found. I have seen cases where I thought-nothing will help and then bam, a few months later it is like magic has happened and I get so happy for those women. It is thanks to all the input from you that many find their way out of the dark. That is the coolest thing to watch someone go from despair to joy.

    We are going to take some more pics of ourselves with clothes on and post on the pic forum since that is how 99% of the world sees us. The nude shots are important for the whole "journey" aspect but I am starting to see that a more realistic view would be how we look when clothed and how we feel about that. While I hate my drain scars and incisions (I mean really- who likes them?) I am tickled I can toss on a top and feel pretty damn good. That is far from the fears I had on early on that I would be doomed to a whatIcouldnotconceiveinmymind kind of chest. And remember, I CHOSE the BMX over a lumpectomy or even just the one that had BC. That decision was instant for me once I knew I needed a biopsy. Once I got back from the cliff (or further back from the edge) then i started thinking of how it would look once it was done. ACK! The only frame of reference I had on a personal level was an aunt who had lost all of her chest muscle etc and had a huge cumbersome prosthetic. She is gone now many years (not from BC- she survived only to be felled by West Nile-life surely is not fair) but I wish with what I know now I could give her an extra big hug to tell her how wonderfully brave she is and how much I love her. For she was beautiful and majestic to me even as a small freaked out little kid.

    Good Sunday to all of you and thanks for letting me ramble....for all of you who are mothers-Happy Mothers Day- for all who are not- I am sure you are to many who you help along the way:) It is not just a biological thing:)

  • deekaay
    deekaay Posts: 254
    edited May 2011

    Annette, very nice post!

    Happy Mother's Day to All!  I've got to get cooking for my wonderful mother-in-law who's coming over in a few hours.   

  • Lilah
    Lilah Posts: 2,631
    edited May 2011

    Beautifully said Annette.

  • annettek
    annettek Posts: 1,160
    edited May 2011

    :) now hubby is off to get my mom over here so we can eat and just hang out- she is still the greatest on the planet and knows the little kid that still lurks in this 54 year old body...

  • rebetata
    rebetata Posts: 213
    edited May 2011

    Happy mothers day to all of you wonderful ladies.



    Rebecca

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Posts: 470
    edited May 2011

    Dawn-hope-I totally agree and I think I'm going through that off and on.

    Annette-thank you so much for thoughts. So beautifully stated. It really spoke to me on so many levels, everything you said just touched me. You are so fortunate to have such a wonderful PS who really gets it. I really do like my PS and think he is very good so I wonder is it just me and the way my body is and these are the best results I am going to get or if there something or someone better out there.I

  • Pegs
    Pegs Posts: 32
    edited May 2011

    Annette

    before my exchange the ps suggested taking vit. C it helps with healing, maybe if you start taking it now, it will help you not get sick, just a suggestion

    good luck

    peg

  • Onetoughwoman47
    Onetoughwoman47 Posts: 132
    edited May 2011
    AnnetteK - I must state, you summed it up quite well and very well written.  I agree, have been through much of what you wrote in my own head and physcially, Kissthoughts and experiences and THANK YOU for sharing with all of us!!! (((())))) gentle hugs to you!...Stephanie
  • rowan
    rowan Posts: 131
    edited May 2011

    Hi Everybody,

    today I go for my oncotype dx score.  I am very anxous but also glad I don't have to wait anymore.  I'll keep all ofyou posted, as I know you will be there for me...

  • JenC
    JenC Posts: 186
    edited May 2011

    Heading to the PS again tomorrow.  I have some really sore spots right under my leaft breast along the insicion line and my rib cage.  It has been hurting for a few days so time to get it checked.  Sure its nothing and just scar tishue but better to be safe than sorry.  Hope you are all doing well and had a great mother's day.

  • annettek
    annettek Posts: 1,160
    edited May 2011

    rowan and jen- here is hoping all is well and you get the answers you want.

    peg- i am thinking there must be another Annette since while I certainly complain a lot about many things, as of late, pain has not been one of them (thankfully)

    I love blabbing when I am in the mood....soft hugs back to all:)

  • MBJ
    MBJ Posts: 3,671
    edited May 2011

    Dawn-Hope & Annettek:  Well said, both of you!  My DH also tells me, wow, it's quite amazing what they have done!

    JenC:  Hoping all is well--maybe you are just experiencing the nerves growing back?

    Jerusha:  The very best to you on the 12th!  I hear amazing things can be done without implants and I hope you have the very best results.

  • Jerusha
    Jerusha Posts: 339
    edited May 2011

    Thanks MBJ... lets hope so!!! I'm pretty excited. Just unpacked the BIG duffle and re-packed into the VERY BIG duffle! Waiting for my toenail polish to dry, then done! Leave tomorrow evening for NOLA. Will stay posted, I appreciate the good wishes :)

  • rowan
    rowan Posts: 131
    edited May 2011

    Hi everybody,

    thanks for the encouragement annettek.  

    My score came back an 18--low intermediate, chemo not recommended but will follow up with hormone therapy.  I feel strangely stuck in my emotions.  I thought I would be intensely relieved with the no chemo prescription, but I still feel sad.    Do you-all think it is still just my adjusting to the bc diagnosis?  

    I still have some pain from the BMX and TEs and I am in my eighth week post surgery.  It seems like most of you are moving along faster in the healing than me.  Is that true?  It feels like barbed wired is under my skin and at night I still take one or two 1/2 tabs of percocet for discomfort and sleep.  

    I am curious how many of you have gotten professional counseling during this period?  I have seen a psychologist for other issues in the past so I am not opposed to the idea.  I was just wondering if this malaise I feel is a normal part of the healing ....

    Blessings to all.

  • eulabt
    eulabt Posts: 29
    edited May 2011

    Rowan,

    I too didn't go with chemo and it was a really strange feeling. I can't explain it. When I was at your point, everything kind of hit me all at once and with-in a week I was feeling better.

    I didn't start to feel better until about 10 weeks out from surgery. I felt great for 2 weeks and then I got the cold from hell. I just had my exchange surgery last week and am 14 weeks out from my BMX with TE's.  I really feel pretty good. Give yourself some time. 

    Hugs,

    Eula 

  • MBJ
    MBJ Posts: 3,671
    edited May 2011

    Rowan:  I won't lie--the TE's sucked and hurt the entire time during expansion for me.  I figured it's because I am generally thin and didn't have much padding to cushion anything.  Some women breeze through it--I did not.  I was at my lowest during the expansion process but I had also endured 5 months of chemo so it was a double wammy due to side effects.  It does get better with time and I did alot of group therapy:  A women's BC group, an art therapy group. a meditation group.  All were incredibly helpful and I briefly did some one on one counseling, too.  Do whatever you can to get through this difficult time.  Many go on antidepressants.  We are all different and a BC diagnosis is a shocking life changer.

    Jerusha:  I hear the doctors at NOLA are amazing and I have seen their work-brilliant dr's!!!  I had no idea you were so unhappy with your implants, so I wish you only the best.  Gentle hugs to you and a speedy recovery.  I am sure we will all be thinking of you on the 12th.

  • tinat
    tinat Posts: 2,235
    edited May 2011

    rowan:  You're not alone in the "behind schedule" department!  I had my BXM on Feb. 16 and I'm still healing.  No progress whatsoever with expansions; in fact, have had most of the saline drained from the "problem child".  I'm doing fine, but it has gotten really old.  I've been on restrictions since surgery - no lifting, pushing, pulling, stretching, exercising, sweating (to avoid bacteria in the wound).  Meanwhile, most of my friends have stopped asking how I'm doing because it's been the same answer for almost 3 months - "Still healing". 

    I think there's so much chaos at the beginning that when things start to calm down we feel like we should be getting back to "normal".  Of course, it's not normal!  I guess it takes a while to find the new normal.  I think you've got every good reason to talk to a professional; you're life has been shaken to the core!

    Best wishes and hang in there!!!

  • rowan
    rowan Posts: 131
    edited May 2011

    TinaT --I am really sorry to hear you are having so many issues.  I'm crossing my fingers that my first fill tomorrow doesn't set me back in the pain dept.  I'm expecting some added discomfort, but I hope it's not any more than that.

    About exercise--I asked my PS about chair yoga (it's very gentle, easy movements, postures) so I could start to get my strength back and she said she didn't want me doing anythingl more than basically taking care of my personal needs.  When I told her I had pulled some weeds (I love gardening) she said to stop.  Really with all the rain we  have had in Cincinnati it was like very little exertion, but I guess I am not supposed to do anythng that works the chest muscles very much. I think not being able to move like I want to is part of my feeling of malaise.  

    I may call a breast cancer support group in the near future if I still feel this way.  I really liked my previous mental health therapist, but it's also one more copay! so I'll wait a little longer on that.

    You're right, there is no "normal" for us right now.

  • rowan
    rowan Posts: 131
    edited May 2011

    MBJ--love your word choice.  It does "suck!"  You're one strong woman to do chemo and reconstruction together.  I did chemo 13 years ago...I'm sure the combination is rough.  Of course, we say, "I can do that" because we really believe we can--but the day to day reality is just that--putting one foot in front of the other, one day at a time. I remember reading about reconstruction. --swelling, pain after surgery.  I thought sounds pretty average--those words have much more meaning to me now.

  • rowan
    rowan Posts: 131
    edited May 2011

    eulabt--thanks for identifying with what I am talking about. Ten weeks--I'll try that outlook! 

    I guess it's also that I am still dealing with the shock of the diagnosis and the BMX.  My husband had the same sort of odd lack of emotional response to the news.

    I'm glad to  read that you are feeling pretty good overall and on the other side of all this.  That'll keep me going for awhile.

  • MBJ
    MBJ Posts: 3,671
    edited May 2011

    Rowan:  Check with your local hospitals.  I got all of my counseling for free at the place I had my chemo.  Not all hospitals offer it, but the ones that do are open to anyone with cancer.  Also, there is something called, I think Wellspring, which is a community service which offers many services, too.  All free of charge.