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  • marlene18
    marlene18 Posts: 48

    How long post-chemo did you continue taking the glutamine and other supplements to ward off peripheral neuropathy? I had stopped taking my supplements at about 2 weeks after my last dose of taxol but found the tingling resumed so I bought another container of the powder. I'm now 5 weeks post chemo but actually having side effects flare up that I never had during, including itchy eyes and mouth sores. I'm a little wary of what else might come up.

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    marlene - I did not continue it much beyond a couple of weeks either, but had no issues when I stopped it.  I did have some numbness on the bottoms of my feet that started about tx#5 and stayed for a couple of months PFC, but then resolved.  I have no problems with it now.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    This might be good news for those who are receiving (or did receive) Herceptin on a weekly basis: 

    Weekly Paclitaxel/Carboplatin/Trastuzumab Therapy Improves Pathologic Complete Remission in Aggressive HER2-Positive Breast Cancers, Especially in Luminal-B Subtype, Compared With a Once-Every-3-Weeks Schedule

    http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/content/18/5/511

  • cypher
    cypher Posts: 447

     

    Lee, thanks for posting those links from Frank.  Very encouraging.  I am 98% certain it is NOT perjeta.  As some of you may remember, I’m on a clinical trial for that.  I think I’m in the placebo group, but basically it appears that the side effects are mostly GI distress.  And you get it through an IV, just like herceptin.  And the tumor samples are actually sent to a lab in italy – exact opposite of Frank’s trial, which sends the tumors to the US.  Which is great news, because that means that this is an additional drug in the arsenal.

    Pbrain, I hear you about the left side thing.  Every time I had a suspicious lump, it was always on the right side, and the right side is the one that ended up with cancer.  Makes me feel like at least one of my breasts isn’t trying to kill me!  (You’ll feel stronger and better soon, I promise!)

    ChickaD, sorry you’re feeling so lousy!  I love Cami’s advice….

    Lee, interesting about the weekly v. triweekly thing, but a little disheartening given that I and so many of us were on the triweekly version.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    My left side has typically been my problem side and it was my cancer side.  

  • marlene18
    marlene18 Posts: 48

    Thanks SpecialK. I guess I'll try stopping again in a couple days when my powder runs out again and see if the taxol can finally be just a memory.

  • ChickaD, chiming in to say, I had mouth sores and diarrhea after round 1 of chemo, and then neither were a problem after that!  I even innocently thought to keep a calendar of how I felt the first few weeks, expecting that I could plan to make the best out of good days, because wouldn't each round be the same? NO.. it was everchanging! But that's all I really remember, I was on a lot of benadryl and steroids to counter allergic reactions. Ha! Wishing you well!

    Pbrain, awwww... hope you feel better soon too.

    I will have my last round of herceptin in two weeks. I'm considering skipping it. The last two months I've been going downhill, now with strange immobilizing exhaustion here and there, stinging skin, achey joints, burning feet (didn't have that through chemo), tummy upset, and cranky as all get out, anxiety, etc etc etc. PLUS in the last month my hair stopped growing back!! I shaved my legs a month ago, and nothing since. (Hair on head has grown so slow, it's ridiculous, but at least it looks like I meant to have this pixie cut look.)  

    So, my onc says to all of this, "well, I guess we'd better see you in a month and see how things are going." Really? I'm crashing here!  My inspirehealth doc says, "Sounds like your mitachondria need help. They are the cells that affect fast growing cells - which could explain every one of your symptoms. Likely due to herceptin/tamoxifen mix."  I love that doctor. So, am on mega supplements to help. But really feeling like my body is saying, 'enough.'  Anyone else have this sort of thing going on?

    Gotta tell ya, I want you all to be happy and healthy and well, but there was something oddly comforting to be able to come here and see people saying what's really bothering them. We don't get to do that a lot in the other parts of our lives.  Etheric hugs to all!

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    I know what u mean, it's not comforting knowing one is suffering but when I hear something remotely how I feel I feel better mentally---but I've been dealing with this seems like forever and I'm in pain most of the time and my walking is terrible and if I walk from one side of the house to another I have to sit and take pain pills and get in the most comfortable position I can and stay that way for a while, my legs feel like needles and pins, but it's a happy man that grins, (oh is that 0ld) Sometimes I feel nauseaus or the big D or both, my head usually hurts, I have LE and something stupid painfull with my shoulder that has LE so movement is hard, I finally learned how to go up and down steps without falling, cuz I fall at any given moment and I'm still waiting til all this passes so I'll feel better. So that's my day and I'm sorry that I vented but I just had to.

  • bren58
    bren58 Posts: 688

    ChickaD - If you still have the mouth sores, ask your MO to prescribe Majic mouthwash. I had a really large sore after tx1 and it cleared it up pretty quick. My MO also told me to use it proactively a couple times a day for the first week after each tx. For me it did the trick and I never had another mouth sore.

    Camille - vent all you want girl. That's what we are hear for.

    Marlene - at 5 weeks PFC I still felt pretty crappy too. It really wasn't until about 8 weeks PFC that I felt like most of the SE's were gone. It's hard to be patient to feel better because we are done with chemo and just want to feel better. Unfortunatley it takes a while for chemo to be done with us.

  • PatinMN
    PatinMN Posts: 784

    Marlene, my chemo nurse said I should continue with the glutamine for 3 or 4 weeks after finishing chemo, but I ran out of powder after 1 week and was having no problems so didn't buy any more. Then I got a numb big toe at about 3 weeks PFC... Not that bad but annoying. It finally went away after about 3 months. I continued taking B6 until those ran out, about a week ago.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    FeelingtheMagic "stinging skin, achey joints, burning feet (didn't have that through chemo), tummy upset, and cranky as all get out, anxiety" sound more like Tamoxifen than Herceptin especially since you didn't have this the first 6 Herceptin treatments.

    LeeA about the frequency of Chemo and/or Herceptin. I have read over the years that some say every 2 weeks is better for chemo, every week for Herceptin. But if you notice at the end of the link you posted it does say "more study needed." While I agree it would make sense the constant stream of drug in your system may be better it might not be significantly better.

    For many patience they can't possible travel every week for treatment. Also for some busy treatment centers, they wouldn't be able to see as many patients. That could me turning away some or more mistakes. We know how over worked our chemo nurses are. So if that difference isn't that significant I doubt they will change.

     ♥ ♥ ♥ camillegal ♥ ♥ ♥

    Marlene At 5 PFC weeks I just started to feel better. I never stopped taking Acetyl-L-Carnitine. I still take it because it's a memory booster. But I do still have the numb heel… which has been bugging me because it gets worse in the rain. Looks like, or should I say feels like rain all week.

  • ChickaD
    ChickaD Posts: 971

    Just wanted to say that I love all of you women so much.... thank you for all the great information just knowing that you've been through the same thing is actually mentally comforting like Miss Cami says...I could NOT do this without all of you...all my love and admiration goes out to each and every one of you for helping me.

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    marlene - wanted to add that I took L-glutamine in combinatin with acetyl l-carnitine and B6 - I have continued taking the B6 and acetyl l-carnitine for the reasons lago mentioned above - I figure my neural pathways need all the help they can get, I just did not continue with the l-glutamine.  I am considering going back to it though because I am having a hard time building muscle even though I am working out. It is predominantly used by bodybuilders so I may try it and see if there is any improvement.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    ChickaD I smile everytime I see your avatar of the chick climbing her way out. Love the "I'm otta here and nothing can stop me" 'tude

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    (((((((camillegal)))))))

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Oh I didn't mean to sound so melodramatic this morning just took a shower and I was crabby, I used to love showers now it's a big deal for me---Believe me I know this can be so much worse and I'm thankful for eerything I can do like bug the hell out of people on the boards, so I'm OK really.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    camillegal I think everyone is crabby today. I know I finally feel better because I just worked out. My friend is crabby that I'm meeting for lunch. My mom was crabby. I think it's the rain. But we all need hugs at times.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    Crabbiness must be moving from west to east.  I was crabby yesterday and I'm typically not crabby.  Three teary sessions and I typically don't cry.  I feel less crabby today.  Actually, not very crabby at all.  Laughing

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Oh it's good to hear of others crabby, cuz I'm usually not---but Lee never cry---as was said at this stage of the game  WE CAN NOT WASTE THE MOISTURE

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Oivey...I was in a stinky mood and came here to see how all my friends were doing.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    AShla hahahahahahaha

  • marlene18
    marlene18 Posts: 48

    I had the bad mood on Monday, thought I might be getting hormonal again since I'm recently post-pregnancy, post-chemo and pre-tamoxifen. But yeah, it's the rain here - it's never-ending this month. Lago, your heel would be perpetually numb! I had a good laugh when I got home from rads #6 today though when the baby started giggling at the dogs playing. That was her first time spontaneously laughing and it's pretty cute. :)

    I am thinking I *should* continue on the L-Carnitine if it's a memory booster 'cause I when wrote that post, I was racking my brain trying to remember the name of it. Thus the "glutamine and other supplements" reference...!

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Some really good news too late for us but with huge implications for all breast cancer patients and especially us Her2 pos gals. Maybe not enough to pull us out of our mental mucks but researchers treated a group of herPos estrogen and or progesterone positive ladies WITHOUT chemo and a certain percentage achieved pCR. They are trying to identify the subtypes!

    http://www.onclive.com/publications/obtn/2013/May-2013/Neoadjuvant-Regimen-May-Not-Require-Chemotherapy-in-Some-HER2-Positive-Breast-Cancer-Patients

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Marlene....

    I don't think there is a more beautiful sound in the whole world than the sound of a giggling baby!

    Xo

  • bren58
    bren58 Posts: 688

    I had an appt with the RO first thing this morning, then onto the physical therapist after that. RO thinks I should consider rads due to the extranodal extension that was noted on my original path report from 9/13. But as with everything else about my case there are no studies or data that they can go by to give a clear picture about what the real possible benefit of rads would be. He did show me my PET scan from 10/13 that clearly showed at least 2 positive nodes had cancer. But the pathology from my ALND after chemo showed all 29 nodes to be clear. When I told him I was leaning towards not doing rads because I don't think the benefits out weigh the risks, he understood and said it was my call. In the end I feel very much at peace with not doing rads.

    Next stop, PT. She worked on the tight muscles and the cording so tonight it is feeling a little sore. I  know in the end I will be glad I had the PT, but it sure isn't fun at the moment. She did say that the swelling she felt is post surgical and not LE swelling, so that was good to hear. I also got cleared to start using 1# weights! woohoo. I feel like such a wimp. I didn't even go buy weights, I figure I can use water bottles until I "graduate" up to 2#ers.

  • suegr8
    suegr8 Posts: 141

    the moon was full  -  maybe that's contributing to tears, moods and fits of the vapors

    cheers

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Suegr8 U are so right about the moon, u know I did forget about that. hen I worked e always kne hen the fool moon as there just by the ay people ere acting and we were alays right--That as so interesting to me, ho could I forget, cuz I used to read about that.

    Marlene I so agree with Ashla hen a baby is laughing it just brightens up everyone in the room.

    Bren hatever choice u make is the right one. So good for u. And PT is not so much fun but it helps.

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    Hi all, been away for a bit, and just catchin up.



    Feeling the magic....I don't know if this has an effect, but....for me about 6 weeks ago, I started feeling really achy, joints really stiff-all of them, a little nauseous, but not terrible. Couldn't figure out what could be causing it. Started looking at everything and noticed my tamoxifen brand was different. I called the pharmacy and was told my brand, Mylan, was been discontinued, maybe temporarily. I know get Teva. It is the only thing I can figure out that fits. I had very few of the Tamoxifen symptoms with Mylan, and lots of them with Teva.



    I spoke to the Mylan people to register my issues. The customer service rep said they are getting many, many calls and recording them all. She thinks it is a temporary thing also, but not sure.



    On Taxol...I had the big D throughout, but then after all my surgeries, it would be the big C. Really bad. Thought I would have to go to the emergency room once. I welcomed big D after that.



    I have officially weaned myself off Effexor that I took for hot flashes. Still have a few brain zaps in the evening, but pretty mild. Hot flashes don't appear to be any worse, so we will see.



    I am feeling cranky also. I am trying not to be a chronic worrier about symptoms, but I have had a dry cough for the last few weeks, generally exhausted to the point it affects my workouts, seem to get out of breath more easily. My counts were all good at my last checkup, but....I am paranoid it could be lung related.



    On the survivor topic from a few pages back, I just can't say it. I might be "surviving" but to me survivor means what happens after something has ended. I just don't see that I will ever feel as though I have put it behind me.



    Pbrain...Genentech is taking over phase three of the vaccine trial that SpecialK and I are in. They are going to be giving it while people are receiving treatment.



    Thought these two articles were interesting. So much potential out there!





    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130523223821.htm



    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130523223821.htm

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    Kayb.....I read that also tonight! I love that science daily. Downloaded the app. I could spend hours just clicking from topic to topic. So interesting.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Suegr8 I too believe in the power of the moon. I saw as a kid the effect it had on the ocean (high tide was higher/low tide was lower) I can only imagine the power it has over the fluids in your brain.

    Fluff did you tell your onc about those symptoms? If it's been 1 month or more I would be sure to tell her. My onc doesn't do blood tests because she says tumor markers are unreliable.

    BTW I look at the term "survivor" as refering to getting the diagnosis. I still feel the first part of this journey was the worst.