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  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    PBrain Good for you. U know how to deal with all the techs too.

    OK Ashla, Nicky so far we have 2 names for Nicky's port--we have a few days for Nicky to pick LOL Nicky I never noticed u live in France wow--This is amazing--Do u have an accent cuz I can't tell when u write. OK Ashla I know that sounded really stupid, but I'm old. LOL

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    Nicky, is your port on your left? Cause then it could be the Port Port! Unfortunately I have a Starboard Port! LOL



    Pbrain, I am glad you don't have to stop Herceptin. I wish I could have continued. But they did s MUGA and an echo and got the same answer..so I had to stop.



    Much love

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Posts: 372

    Haha!

    Ladies, its not even 8am yet and you've all given me enough laughs to last the day! This is great!

    Ok, bear with me and I'll try and answer all these questions.....



    Websister

    Portia - very posh! My dd would approve, she's a Shakespeare fanatic



    Ashla

    I think you have to have some say in the name, the competition was your idea! The only thing I would say is that it has to be pronounceable for the French. I want to be able to tell the chemo nurses! Should give them a laugh - they already think I'm mad!!



    Pbrain

    I love pop and go - but because I spend so long in the chemo room it feels more like 'pop and wait 3 hours'! Even though I only have herceptin at the moment, I still have to get all the anti allergy drugs first, then saline for 1/2 hour while that works, THEN the herceptin over 1 1/2 hours!

    Germlish and Swishlish - I love it!!! And I know exactly what you mean. Some of the mistakes are truly cringeworthy 😉

    Delighted to hear your news, and that you can get your herceptin. It's great that advice and information we can share here can have such a huge impact.

    As to you knowing I was an native speaker, sorry! I never thought to say 😳 it feels like I know you all so well, it never occurred to me that you didn't know!



    Camille

    I have a good Dublin accent when I speak English - and a good Dublin accent when I speak French! Lol! I moved here 10 years ago and so my French is pretty good, but I'll never pass for a native! My kids do, though. The 3 of them speak English with a Dublin accent and French with a Bordeaux accent. No one can tell where they're from!



    Moonflwr

    My port is starboard too, then cos its in the right. I wouldn't have known it was starboard if you hadn't said! Lol



    Any more suggestions? Up to you, Ashla! 3 days left!

    Nicky





  • ang7894
    ang7894 Posts: 427

    Thank you ashlaSmile

    Pbrain-- good news!!!

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Oh nicky I love it French with a Dublin accent--Of course I wouldn't know the difference but it sounds so cute.

  • ChickaD
    ChickaD Posts: 971

    Miss PBrain...yay on EF

    I just got my MUGA results....went from 61-67%  to  55-60%..I dont see just one number for the EF on MUGA#1 or MUGA#2   HMMMMM

    I want a port name! 

  • karenrm
    karenrm Posts: 69

    Got my results for EF by EKG: 65%. Good news there. I think my port is named Pain-in-the-A**. Had to get stuck twice yesterday because first time was very painful until the needle was removed and redone about 30 minutes later. Yikes! 

  • bren58
    bren58 Posts: 688

    Karen I like your port name. Some days that's what I think of mine too!

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    PITA PORT. I like that one!

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Moon that's it's exactly what I was going to say.

    Chickie--what did the Dr. say?

  • Shasha10
    Shasha10 Posts: 212

    I was on Herceptin for just under hour. But I'm off because of the EF . getting echo on the 19th and hope they will put me back on. I'll ask about the time 90 vs and hour. Not sure it applies to me.

    Anyway off rads next week they gave me a scrip X Clair from align for the sunburn breast seems to work. Just not sure what happens if I can't go back on Herceptin. Anyone have any input???

    Thx

  • cypher
    cypher Posts: 447

    Goutlaw, they say not to but I ate raw fruits and veggies all through chemo and I was ok.  I also didn’t have much nausea.  I only had organic fruits and veggies though – I wouldn’t try anything that was conventionally grown b/c whenever there is an ecoli outbreak in the spinach, it’s never from organic produce.

    Rhonda, couldn’t you just have blood taken from your veins to avoid getting on yet another medication?  Being able to draw your blood through the port doesn’t sound like a compelling reason to me, but maybe I’m missing something.  Btw, MO said I can have my port out b/c he does not see me as particularly high risk for a recurrence, and he said I can just have it put back in if GF I do have one.  My stats are quite similar to yours (stage IIa, node negative, triple positive).  It depends on how you feel about yours.  Mine is humongous and I hate it.  If they had given me a little one like Lago’s I might keep it but you still have to get it flushed. As I understand it.

    Mom, swimming is really good for lymphedema and you live in a warm climate so …  I’m sure there are public pools around there.

    Pbrain, congratulations!  I’m so happy to hear that you don’t have an EF problem after all, AND that you found out before you had too long of a herceptin vacay.

    Nicki, like Pbrain I knew you were a native speaker.

    Shasha, bummer about the herceptin, but if you started it at the same time you started chemo, it looks like you've had 6 months already, and there was that study that showed that there wasn't a major improvement between 6 mos and a year.  If I recall correctly, 1 year was better but it wasn't a dramatic difference.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    I probably would have taken my port out if I could use one of my arms, that why I kept it and it's had a lot of use for me so I'm glad I have old Pete the port, cuz he's officially part of my body now.

  • Hi everyone!! It's been awhile since I visited the site as I was away on a looooooooooong vacation, and I purposely cut myself off from all technology for almost 3 weeks.  Anyway, am getting caught up reading this form (on page 626, so I am still behind; if someone posted this already, SORRY!!) plus medical websites.  Here is an interesting, encouraging, exciting post about the idea of treating Her2+ gals without using chemotherapy.  The article is called "A Triple Whammy for Her2+BC":

    Multicenter Phase II Study of Neoadjuvant Lapatinib and Trastuzumab With Hormonal Therapy and Without Chemotherapy in Patients With Human Epidermal Growth Factor Receptor2 Overexpressing Breast Cancer: TBCRC 006

    Rimawi MF, Mayer IA, Forero A, et al

    J Clin Oncol. 2013;3:1726-1731

    Study Summary

    In this phase 2 study, researchers used dual human epidermal growth factor receptor 2 (HER2) therapy with lapatinib and trastuzumab in addition to hormonal therapy with letrozole (and luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone [LHRH] agonists if premenopausal) for patients with estrogen receptor (ER)-positive breast cancer in the neoadjuvant setting to explore the benefit of targeted therapy without chemotherapy.

    Participants were women with stages II-III HER2-positive breast cancer. They received weekly trastuzumab and daily lapatinib for 12 weeks. If their tumors were ER positive they also received endocrine therapy with aromatase inhibition (and LHRH agonists if indicated). Biopsies were obtained at baseline, at weeks 2 and 8, and at surgery.

    The trial enrolled 66 women, 64 of whom were evaluable for efficacy. In-breast pathologic complete response (pCR) was 27% overall, with a breakdown of 36% for ER-negative and 21% for ER-positive disease. The rate of low-volume disease was 22% (4% ER negative and 33% ER positive). Toxicity was acceptable except for 1 patient with grade 4 liver toxicity and 12 patients with grade 3 metabolic and hepatic toxicity.

    This approach resulted in an impressive rate of pCR and, according to the authors, supports the hypothesis that some patients may be well served by treatments that target HER2 and the ER receptor without the need for chemotherapy.

    Viewpoint

    In this neoadjuvant trial of women with large HER2-positive tumors, significant responses were seen using targeted therapy and endocrine therapy without chemotherapy. This builds on prior research[1-3] showing that regimens that more completely block the HER2 pathway are more effective than single agents alone, demonstrating again that there is active cross-talk between the ER and HER2 pathways. The authors speculate that with identification of specific biomarkers it may soon be possible to identify patients who may be well served by treatment regimens that do not include chemotherapy.

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    nicky - I like pret-a-porter as a name for your port - "ready to wear" and it is french!

  • Here is another very important article "Endocrine Therapy: A Hard Pill to Swallow") I think, emphasizing the importance of women complying with taking their Tamoxifen or AI drug properly/for the recommended time period stated by our MOs. Some of you have mentioned that two recent papers are recommending us BC gals stay on treatments for 10 years. Can't really say that thrills me.  I hope I can do five, as recommended, and then I will decide. So much can change in a matter of months in this field, yet alone in 4 1/2 years: 

    Medical oncologists are often cited for spending large sums of money on expensive therapies, with only minimal impact on life expectancy.[1] However, one of the first and most cost-effective targeted therapies of all time, tamoxifen, has been available for decades and has saved countless lives.[2] Most women with early breast cancer are candidates for oral adjuvant endocrine therapy (OAET), usually with the selective estrogen receptor modulator tamoxifen (if premenopausal) or, more recently, with an aromatase inhibitor (AI; eg, anastrozole, letrozole, or exemestane); if postmenopausal.[3] These medications are extremely effective in preventing disease relapse and death from breast cancer, but their full benefit is often unrealized because women are unable to take their antiestrogen therapy as prescribed. In clinical trials, tamoxifen decreases the annual odds of recurrence and death by 39% and 31%, respectively,[2] whereas anastrozole has been shown to increase disease-free survival and to reduce the risk of distant metastasis by an additional 13% and 14% in postmenopausal women, respectively.[4] Trial participants represent a particularly motivated patient group who undergo frequent visits and rigorous follow-up, yet compliance is incomplete even among this group. The adjuvant trial National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project B-14 included 2,818 women with early breast cancer and observed decreased adherence over time, with 23% of women on tamoxifen having discontinued therapy at 5 years of follow-up.[5,6] Time and again, clinical studies have demonstrated that adherence to therapy is associated with improved patient outcomes, and yet the rates of nonadherence to treatment outside a trial can be as high as 50%.[7-9]

    Medication adherence is the act of filling new prescriptions or refilling prescriptions on time. Medication compliance is the act of taking medication on schedule or taking medication as prescribed. The article by Bell et al,[10] published in this issue of Menopause, highlights the fact that there is room for improvement in compliance with OAET. This was a large study in which 1,076 women completed questionnaires that directly asked them about their medication compliance at baseline and annually for at least 5 years. They have previously reported in Menopause that, by the third year after diagnosis, 18% of affected women were not adherent to their OAET.[11] In the current publication, they report that 19.7% received treatment for at least 5 years, and an additional 46.7% received treatment for at least 4 years. By year 4, the nonadherence rate had risen to an unsettling 33%, which included 7.8% of the cohort who did not take the medicines at all. The impact of compliance (and noncompliance) on outcomes is more important in 2013 than ever, given the evolution toward extended adjuvant therapy. Motivated by the long-term follow-up results of the National Cancer Institute of Canada Clinical Trials Group MA.17 and the Adjuvant Tamoxifen: Longer Against Shorter trial, many providers now recommend up to 10 years of adjuvant endocrine therapy.[12,13] Given the rate of decline in compliance over time, how many women can be expected to make it to 10 years of therapy? Interestingly, this patient population seems to display relatively preserved compliance over time, presumably because it is a select population that has already tolerated 5 years of anti-estrogen therapy. In one study cohort, 28% of women were nonadherent to extended therapy, similar to the rate (26%) of nonadherence found in a female cohort treated with sequential therapy (AI after 2-3 y of tamoxifen).[14]

    What are the hurdles to compliance, and how can we creatively help women to keep taking their pills? The single most common patient-reported reason for discontinuation of antiestrogen therapy is the development of intolerable adverse effects.[15] Tamoxifen may induce hot flashes, decreased libido, mild arthritis, vaginal discharge, abdominal bloating, and, rarely, blood clots and endometrial cancer, whereas AIs are associated with hot flashes, joint aches, and loss of bone density. Recent data suggest that there may be a genomic explanation for why some women experience musculoskeletal pain with AIs. Liu et al[16] performed functional genomic experiments on patient samples and identified four single nucleotide polymorphisms near the 3' terminus of the T-cell leukemia 1A (TCL1A) gene, which altered the expression of interleukin (IL)-17, IL-17RA, IL-12, IL-12RB2, and IL-1R2, and the transcription of nuclear factor κB (NF-κB). This suggests that estrogen withdrawal in certain individuals could alter cytokine production and increase NF-κB pathway activation. This may explain AI-induced musculoskeletal pain,[16] considering that NF-κB controls many genes involved in inflammatory cascade. Understanding the mechanisms of adverse events may ultimately allow for the development of strategies to sufficiently ameliorate them, allowing women to remain on antiestrogen therapy.

    Age seems to be a consistent predictive factor in nonadherence. One of five women younger than 40 years does not initiate endocrine therapy or stops taking it within the first few months.[8,15,17] In addition, 42% of women skip at least two consecutive months within the first 2 years of treatment. The effect of such intermittent use on outcome is unclear.[18] When looking at factors associated with reduced adherence, the quality of treatment-related information provided by health providers to their patients has a significant impact.[18] A perceived poor initial patient-provider relationship and women feeling unable to ask questions freely have been shown to negatively impact compliance.[18] In a recent Web-based survey, the main factor cited by women for their increased adherence to endocrine therapy was their knowledge that adherence improved clinical outcome.[19] Therefore, clinicians may meaningfully improve compliance by (1) managing women’s expectations of ongoing therapy; (2) assessing treatment-related symptoms early in the treatment course; (3) offering strategies to manage them; and (4) explaining the rationale for treatment and encouraging compliance at each and every follow-up visit.

    Although previous interventions with educational handouts and support groups have had minimal success, maybe it is time, as a community, to think about how to use technology or other "out-of-the-box" approaches for our patients.[20,21] Some mobile applications for former smokers log the number of cigarettes avoided and their corresponding cost savings and health benefits.[22] Perhaps a similar method—using Web-based or mobile-based platforms offering medication reminders, compliance comparison with the patient population, and survival rate improvements—could be used to encourage women to comply with treatment recommendations.

    Another concern is the recent development of increasingly complex regimens, which may further inhibit compliance. Resistance to endocrine interventions for breast cancer, which may be either de novo or acquired, is a major clinical challenge. Combinatorial treatment approaches—including the inhibition of key signaling pathways such as the phosphatidylinositol 3'-kinase/AKT/mammalian target of rapamycin pathway, in addition to an endocrine backbone—are available for the treatment of metastatic breast cancer, but each additional drug is likely to bring new and unique adverse effects.[23-25] Everolimus, a mammalian target of rapamycin inhibitor recently approved, in combination with exemestane, for the treatment of metastatic estrogen receptor–positive breast cancer, is associated with adverse effects, including stomatitis, diarrhea, abdominal pain, rash, and, rarely, pneumonitis or renal failure. A Southwest Oncology Group trial has been planned to study the effect of everolimus, in addition to AI therapy, in the adjuvant setting. Interpretation of the results of such a study will have to bear in mind the challenges associated with a complicated oral regimen in the real-world setting.

    We have made great progress in the treatment of early-stage breast cancer, but there is ample room for improvement when it comes to patient compliance. As the field continues to move forward, it is imperative that clinicians continuously work with patients to encourage their compliance. Whether the improvement is achieved through a new technology, new communication techniques, or simply a better patient-doctor relationship, outcomes will depend on the patient's ability to follow the regimen. We cannot cure without compliance.


     

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Welcomeback Gratitude--U had a great vacation and it wonderful. Andall the info--u'r good.

    SpecialK ready to wear--in French u'r to cute--that's the name of a brand of make=up that's really good stuff. hahaha (see the things I know about)

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Sorry been MIA the past few days. Been busy.

    Nicky Hi there.

    Pop and Go OMG  I love this. Granted Nicky you could use my little idea that I never got to use because no one ever asked me about my port. I was ready though. If someone asked me I was going to tell them it was how I kept in touch with the mothership… then tap it twice and say "Everything is good down here."

    Love good news Pbrain

    Hi gratitudeforlife

  • websister
    websister Posts: 405

    Special K - love the name pret-a-porter!



    PBrain - good news, glad it worked out



    Shasha - hope you just have a short 'herceptin holiday' and next echo is a good one for you



    Ashla and Gratitudeforlife - always enjoy your links



    Camille - ((())) I so enjoy your posts

  • Good morning to all of you, and thanks to the gals who welcomed me back to the boardCool.

    The following article highlights, as many of us know, cancer cells' "love in," it would appear, with sugar.  The article explains how a new treatment is being explored to target the cancer cells only, not the healthy cells. Chemo is involved, but if it is more precisely targeted, the SEs can be lessened:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130731230014.htm

    Pbrain, belated happy birthday.  Sorry to read the insensitive comments your mom made about your weight. FWIW, while I was visiting my parents, my dad said, within the first hour, "I think you have gained weight." Thanks DadUndecided. I was thin before, so now, with 10 extra pounds due to the treatments, being slammed into early menopause + taking Tamoxifen, as DH says, "You are no longer angular, you have softer, more feminine lines." Yep, he's a keeper!!  I did a quasi-experiment, while on holidays, staying away from all bread, and really limiting refined carbs, esp.  The belly fat, I am pleased to announce, almost melted away. I went for 80 minute speed walks every other day, in mountainous terrain, so it was a great workout, and then hiked on other days.  Pbrain, why not try something like having "The Zone" meals delivered to your home for a one-month trial period.  That might kickstart everything for you.  I think you are GORGEOUS, both inside and out, FWIW.

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Posts: 372

    Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you all, 'favorite topics' isn't coming up on my phone as an option for some reason - anyone else has this problem, has to wait until the kids went out with dh to get to use a computer  the joys of having teenagers!

    ChickaD, you should absolutely get a name for your port! have you ant suggestions or can we help you out?!

    Karenrm, I can get Pain-in-the-A**, but luckily for me I've not had any problems with mine to date and I don't want to tempt fate.......

    Moon, Pita port made me laugh!

    SpecialK, love pret-a-porter, ties everything in nicely.  Would never have thought of that!

    Camille, don't know that brand of make up. It's amazing the things I learn here ;)

    Pop and go? great name!  Was that you Iogo, or did I miss a post? Stupid phone!

    I love your idea too, its a pity you never got to use it!  Not sure if I'd get away with it though; the nurses already think I'm a bit mad!

    Gratitudeforlife - sounds like you had a great holiday, don't think we met before you left so just want to say hi!

    Sasha, I'm with websister in hoping the next echo shows better results and that you'll soon be back on herceptin.

    Just want to say a quick thanks to everyone here.  I didn't post in the beginning in this group; I wasn't sure if I should just stick to the stage IV forums.  But the warm welcome I received proved me wrong!  This is the first topic I look for when I log in and I'm looking forward to doing so for a long time.

    Thanks again,

    Nicky

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Nicky J,





    Awww...you are sooo sooo welcome here and have added so much to our forum! Goes wo saying it would be better to have met having a pint of Guinness.. or a glass of Bordeaux ....anywhere but here!

    Portia, Port Port, Port a Prete...did I miss any? Ant more ideas for Nicky's portism? Chicka D is longing for a name for hers a well.

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Posts: 372

    Thanks Ashla!

    It would have to be a glass of Bordeaux for me - I didn't move to France for nothing! Dh would join you for the Guinness, but me, I only like it in beef and Guinness stew.......I know, I know, sacrilege, especially from a Dublin girl😜think you've missed a few suggestions, how about I try and put them all in a list and you can see about choosing? Then we can make a start on choosing for ChickaD!

    Nicky

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Posts: 372

    Ok, here's the list of proposed names as it stands -

    Ashla - pepe le pee

    Websister - Portia

    Pbrain - pop and go

    Moonflwr - Pita port

    Specialk - pret-a-porter

    Iago- tapping twice to keep in touch with the mother ship and saying 'Everything is good down here'. But I think that one would get me locked up! 😉

    Anyone got any more before Ashla choses? My port is 1 year old tomorrow - have to mark the occasion somehow!

    Nicky

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Nicky PITA==Pain in the ASS--so it has to be capital hahaha

  • ChickaD
    ChickaD Posts: 971

    Miss Nicky...help with my port name would be great...it can be our next project!

  • NickyJ
    NickyJ Posts: 372

    ChickaD,

    It would be my pleasure!

    Nicky

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    NickyJ



    You know your port the best...you should pick the name. Really.... At the time, I had no real opinion of pumpkin my purple power port but now...after lots of problems with blood draws since...I can really appreciate it. My breast surgeon who inserted and then removed it, showed it to me after he had removed it. I was high but I asked him if I could keep it. I remember feeling suprisingly disappointed when he said no because it had to go to pathology!

    It's your call Nicky on the name.

    Any one else have any suggestions?

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Ashla actually I wanted another name for my port because I thought this thing is going to have a nurse prick it so so much. But I figured just calling it that, what the nurse would do might be a litle much if someone said what's that and I said Oh it;s my *****--It's better to say Pete the port

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

     glass of Bordeaux!!!! Where? Count me in.