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  • Pbrain
    Pbrain Posts: 773

    Momwriter, I don't know what to say, but after I was released from the hospital from my first (and only) TCH all I wanted in the whole world was ginger ale and ginger bread...spice cookies...spice cake...ginger, ginger and more ginger.  I find food cravings fascinating!

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    I found my lump on my own too.  I'm assuming it showed up on the mammogram.  They never told me if it did or didn't.  It was clear on the ultrasound though.

    I have a question for you ladies.  A poster on another board (which I can't find now) stated that her MO told her she needed rads, even though she was lymph neg, because she is HER2+.  I see there are some others on here that also had rads.  My MO & BS said they didn't feel I needed rads because all lymphs were neg and my tumor size.  What have any of you heard?

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    Ashla - MRI may be accurate - it wasn't for me - missed a half centimeter positive node and ADH and ALH before surgery. I had extremely dense breasts, at 54 and 9 years after a total hyst/ooph - that is why the mammo missed the palpable lump.  I went back after I was dx'ed to thank the radiologist who sent me for a biopsy - he saved my life. We reviewed my mammo films so he could double check since I now knew I had cancer - saw nothing! That is why I no longer have breasts.

  • soriya123
    soriya123 Posts: 383

    mommato3, i had MX, negative node my MO, BS n RO also say no to rad.   i dont understand that either how some medical team say Yes and some say NO.  

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    gee whiz - yay for your son! And congrats to you for raising such a smart and accomplished young man!

    Ramey - the thigh pain started to really resolve for me at about six weeks and coincided with an increase in hemoglobin. Also, I had hip pain when they increased the infusion speed of my Herceptin from 90 mins ( what I had during chemo) to 30 mins when I had Herceptin alone. Dropped it back to 90 and the pain went away. This was my experience but I know others tolerated the faster infusion with no problem.

  • rozem
    rozem Posts: 749

    i found my tumor myself while on vacation. I knew it was not good bc it literally came out of nowhere and felt different then previous lumps and bumps. I found it 7 months after a heated debate  w my PCP on the value of mammos b4 50.  I wanted to be screened but she refused (in canada it starts at 50) she said i wasnt high risk ! 

    B t w the ca was in the same exact spot of a fibro that was removed in my 20's 

  • rozem
    rozem Posts: 749

    mommato. I had rads and node neg (on imaging as i had neo adjuvant) the RO said it was bc of being her2, LVI and grade 3. Biggest factor was the LVI

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    I did not have rads because of BMX, very large margins, no proximity to chest wall or skin, and ALND.  I asked BS and MO each twice if I needed rads.  When I accompanied a friend to her RO consult we briefly discussed my case and of course the RO said he would have recommended rads. Not because of the Her2+ but because of the positive nodes.  Argghhh! Of course, important to remember RO like to recommend rads because it is what they do! 

  • debiann
    debiann Posts: 447

    Regarding the rads, I was told if I choose mx, I can skip rads, if I want lumpectomy, I need rads.  I believe in addition to the lymph node status, the location and size of the tumor also determine if you need rads even with an mx.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    Most of u know my silly boob story but I might as well tell it again (as short as I can) my cat scan found it for me---by that I do mean my Katie-Kat was like going for my breast every note and touching it a lot and it was hurting and I felt it and I was actually hanging on the bottom , I really never noticed it. So I called my primary and he ordered an mammo I went on a Sat. and Tuesday he called me about 3 times and I finally answered and he was hysterical, I literally had to calm him down (he's been my Dr. for over 30 yrs) so he already made an app't for the next test and an app't for the BS and Onc. and I had to call their offices and confirm my app'ts and he would call them  and make sure I called and call me back. The good part was I hardly waited at all for results the Drs. had them right away and my biopsy and port and chemo was set up in n o time--I had no time to even think about it. He had my BS come in early to see me and my Onc come in early, but even tho he was a PITA it was funny cuz my BS asked me if I was related to him or he thought I was some kind of celebrity cuz he wanted everything done in days and it was good for me--When I got my port I was supposed to have my first chemo the same day but my Ins, hadn't even responded yet but I was OK'd the next day. He was calling me all the time and I LOL every time he was so worried and I was telling him to take some Xanax and relax and call me in the morning. And he would---but he was the same way when I had my pap smear, he was hysterical then too I had cancer then but I asked him then if he did that with all his patients cuz it could make someone nerveous and he did say no, but he knew I wouldn't take it seriously unless he pushed me. Well that was the short story cuz I laughed every day with him for different reasons, and when he would yell at me  over the years I got so used to it and  I'd see how nice he was with his other patients--we argued for 30 yrs--even about politics. Jeez that was so boring and yet I wrote it anyway. OK I'm done u can actually skip this whole post, I don't blame u.

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    I read every word of it.  

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Posts: 2,700

    i loved it too cami!

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Posts: 2,700

    i found my lump myself. i had started mammos at 40, cause i began to have lumpy breasts. they had me do them every 6 months. that place squished them hard, too! it wasnt digital. that went on for a couple years, then i stopped going. it was a couple of years later, when my left breast got really hot and red, just on one side. i didnt have a computer or a doctor. had a mammo against my will-(i really did not want to be squished), i wanted the ultrasound though. they had had me do an ultrasound after all the previous mammo's, but i didn't yet know the significance of that. i wasnt informed for years that i had dense breasts or the significance of that either. when i finally did find that out, i was proud, as if it was someting to be proud of, that they wernt fat? or air filled? or flimsy and droopy or flat? they were cute! so back to the red one. they aspirated fluid out of it, i watched it being poked, and diminishing in size, until it vanished! i looked at the syringe before he put it on the tray, and it was full up, as long and thick as your thumb, with a green thick fluid that, please excuse, looked like pus to me. grossed me out. i asked him, is it an infection? how can i get an infection deep inside of me? he called it an inflammation, and i remember asking him,are you sure? cause that looks like something infected. and he got angry with me and repeated that it was an inflammation, nothing else necesarry. 

    so i said ef this basically, and didnt go for any more mammo's till this time that i found my lump, knew in my heart that this time it was different, and so it was. this is my right breast, and i am glad, cause i am left handed,and i cant imagine wrapping with my right arm! And that doc who had all my previous films? he lost them when he went to work for.....pink lotus, where angelina jolie went. and she can have that place,but thats a different story for another day. dxed at 52. BS said tumour was there 8 years. 8 years was when i did the last one when i was through,because it was always nothing.

  • Nunci
    Nunci Posts: 17

    Hi girls, 

    I hardly ever post, but wanted to share.... It has been 22 days since final chemo treatment. Went in yesterday to receive herceptin (such a great feeling not to get chemo). I met with oncologist that told me "I am cancer free". I have already claimed that, but it was nice to hear it from him too. We also discussed being triple postive:::: he said triple positive is not very common of course, but it's the best to have in today's time. It most likely won't sneak up on you 25 years later like low grade hormone + could, and it's the most curable. I'm sure most of you girls know this, but just wanted to share. It made me happy. ;) 

    Question :: I haven't had a period since January-- chemo induced menopause. What are my chances of my period returning/ ovaries being dead? (I would like for them to be). I enjoy not having a period, and it would take care of me not having a oophanectomy. 

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Mommato3 there are many reasons to get rads. My PS told me he couldn't keep up with them since they change. I know one is tumors above 5cm regardless of position and node status usually get rads (and I would assume the smaller your breast the more likely). In my case I had small boobs and my tumor was 5.5mm invasive, 6.5cm total. My rad onc actually gave me a pass.  She said I was in a gray area. I do believe the risk to other organs is what put me in that gray area. Since my tumor was in the posterior region over my heart the risk to heart/lung outweighed the reward. I'm sure things like multifocaletc might be another factor. It's not so black and white. Location can also play a part but there are so many things they consider.

    cami we love your story. Keep telling it.

    Nunci it depends on your age/how close you were to natural menopause. I was 49 and peri-menopausal when I started chemo although my cycles were regular just getting shorter. Give my sister and mom both started menopause at 51 I knew it wasn't coming back. My last period was 2 weeks before chemo. If you are in your 20's and 30's there's a chance it might come back. It could be months after chemo or I do believe up to 2 years. Your onc would have a better idea. You look  young in your picture but I know 72 dpi tends to remove all wrinkles. I get shocked when I think someone is in their 30's hear only to find out they are 66! 

    Thanks for the good news. I too have read that more of the slower growing tumors can return years later. While our risk of recurrence is early. I was excited to pass the 2 year make and then the 3. Now approaching 4 years I am convinced I'm probably cured but they will never say that. Granted they still like to wait  5 years to say your recurrence risk really drops.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Hi momwriter. Where in MA are you from. I grew up in Randolph. My parents currently live in S. Yarmouth. It seems the treatment centers out east tend to stick with Adriamycin for HER2+ while as you move to the west coast they lean more to Taxotere. Both work well for HER2+. So which of the fantastic places are you getting treated? So many outstanding ones to choose from in Boston… you're lucky.

  • rozem
    rozem Posts: 749

    my periods came back after a year and I was diagnosed at 42 - theoretically the chemo should have knocked out my ovarian function but no such luck for me.  I have been shutting them down with Lupron for a year - went off after 11 months and my period returned once again so back on Lupron.  42 is not that young but obviously my body was no where near natural meno

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Posts: 671

    Camille - how awesome to have docs that care so much for you! I love your stories too!

    Nunci - I was 42 and it came back a tiny bit almost 2 years after chemo. After a few months it was gone. My onc runs annual hormonal panels and even last year I was "not convincingly menopausal". My friend with an identical diagnosis and same age got her back 3 years after PFC, (LAGO -I laughed out loud at your definition. You are hysterical). I think it is definitely related to age, but its obviously a hormonal crapshoot too.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    geewhiz what was so funny? the 72 dpi wrinkle remover? I wish Neutagena wrinkle repair worked that well.

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Special K 

    Very interesting about MRI not being accurate for you... That's a first . Good to keep in mind with all  testing ... and all human endeavors.

    Camille

    Amazing about Katie Kat....heard stories like that before. So EVERYBODY loves you... Not just us? Cannot for the life of me understand why! ;)

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    Cami - I loved your story and read every word of it - funny about your cat.  I have two cats and for about two months before I found my lump both of my cats were always trying to dig underneath my left side in bed - where I found my lump - it was like they wanted to lay underneath that part of my body.  My husband and I both thought it was funny- when I found the lump and found it was cancer I no longer thought it was funny - but I do think it was connnected.   Since my bmx neither one of them has tried to get under my left side.   

    Mommato3 - I was told that if I did a bmx I would most likely not have rads.  However, I had very close margins on the left side -pathology report says tumor extends to within 1 MM of the deep resection margin but it also says tumor transection is absent.  That last part is what three different doctors site as to why I don't need rad - two MO's and my BS all agree.  So I will not have rads - although none of them have mentioned it but my tumor was located high and I am sure the location of where they would need to do rads would be bad on my heart and/or lungs and that might also have played a role in their thoughts.  I feel ok with the decision considering I had three opinions on it - one was based on SpecialK's suggestion that I ask the MO at Moffitt and I am glad I did as it did give me a little more piece of mind.

    Nunci - love to hear that kind of stuff 

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    Have not kept an accurate tally here but think it's safe to say the vast majority of us found our tumors  without benefit of and  a few DESPITE our mammos.

    But at least 2 were found by mammo .

    Just about every woman I know has had at least one & many multiple scares  & rescans and  so far are cancer free. And most of the people I know who had cancer found it without the scan. 

    Like PBrain not quite sure how I feel about the whole debate. Guess right now I'll just say we must actively  encourage research into finding a more accurate means of screening! 

  • efcjax
    efcjax Posts: 74

    Aw, Geewiz, that made me almost cry.  I have a son about to graduate his junior year.  I know that you'll walk through fire for your kids.  And sometimes we have to.  Brave lady!

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Posts: 671

    @Lago ---PFC. Post f'ing chemo. I hadn't heard that before but agree completely.

  • ashla
    ashla Posts: 1,566

    if not for efcjax would have missed your post re your  son. What she said was so true . I have no scientific background whatsoever but am fascinated with biomedical engineering and all kinds of scientific research . Think you must be at least borderline genius to do that . You must be  bursting  with pride! Does he have a particular nterest? 

    I have a nephew who is a postdoctoral @ Albert Einstein .

  • efcjax
    efcjax Posts: 74

    In years past with mammos, I'd have to go in for rechecks and nothing was found.  I asked the mammographer how many rechecks they did in the average day at their facility, she said about 60!  At that point, I started thinking this was a racket.  I mean this was one facility in a large city.  That is a HUGE percentage.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    efcjax--I know what u mean--before that and had mammos, my sister, cousin and I always had to have it rechecked nd my Dr. told me that time the ins. wouldn't cover the 2nd test unless u had the mammo and required it.

    And I can't imagine after I went thru all of that crap to get a period back like some of u had--I'd scream--at least u shoud get the door prize of not getting u'r period.

    Linda I really think our furbabies have more sense than we do after all they hide in a bad storm we stand there and look out a window,

    GeewhizThumbsUp

    And all of u who still have children at home or at school it's got to be extra hard. When u'r alone u don't have to wear a happy face so they don't have to worry, u can keep u'r leave me the hell alone face all the time. I give u all so much credit, there is a lot going on in u'r lives and u all rise to the occasion. And on top of that u educate yourselves to what ur bodies are going thru. All I could concentrate on was home shopping and and women who kill their Husbands on TV and a few more shows. And Ashla, SpecialK and Lago (I'm sure more) always have link or something to read that's new --I know now I'm forgetting so many more cuz PBrain just came to mind but u'r all a wealth of info and it's great.

    I hope everyone has a decent Holiday weekend and can rest if u need to, meditate if u want to I always think of our troops, they're so young. 

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Posts: 671

    Ashla - he seems relatively open right now in the field. He is hoping for a to get a job in the labs in the Fall. This gives the students the ability to work in the labs with the professors doing research. I think it's probably only doing things like filling coffee cups at this point, but hey, ya gotta start somewhere. He is also an artist - draws highly detailed "exploded" views of things. I can easily see him being in some sort of complex biomedical design and absolutely loving it.

    I will share a bit more about this story, because it is so cool. My knee that I am forever griping about landed me in an orthopedists office. My son drove me. He noticed an engineering degree on the doc's wall and they struck up a conversation. She told him that she combined her love of engineering and drawing to become a prosthesis designer and sports medicine surgeon. She invited him back to "shadow" her for a day. Well, he has now followed her numerous times and has even sat in on surgeries to observe. He absolutely lit up. He is so excited to start studying. I am SO appreciative and thankful this woman took time to be so generous and selfless. So I HATE my bum knee, but I laugh at the fact that it showed my son a path to follow. How wonderful if all docs were like her!

    My husband is in somewhat of a similar field. He just recently attended a meeting of a bunch of technology heads. The technology is already in existence to augment the oxygen in blood so that someone can remain underwater for 4 hours. Sounds ridiculous I know. This one man's talk was an hour and it was video'd. Ashla it might be right up your alley. I will see if I can post a link later today after hubby gets home - he has the link to the presentation.

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Posts: 671

    Camillegal - and all...a happy holiday to you! I think we all just do the best we can, right? Some afternoons I didn't even make it in front of the tv for husband killing showsSillyHeart

    Plenty of days I took afternoon naps. Some mornings during chemo I relied on my husband to get everyone up for school and fed. I still feel a bit guilty about that one, especially with one just leaving now. I think, 'Wait, I need more time with him!". Chemo, surgeries, rads...all took time from my kids and that pisses me off - but rationally, I know I did my best.

  • camillegal
    camillegal Posts: 15,710

    OMG geewhiz that's unbelievable what the Dr. did--so u'r all a family of geniuses--no wonder ur name is gee whiz cuz I just said that when I read u'r post. Sorry about u'r knee but it did open  a door for u'r son.