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  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    momx2-specialk, moonflower and I have all had big issues with tissue expanders. There is a great thread called tissue expander problems. They can help make you feel better. Special K is the new poster child.

    Update on my gyno issues. My GYN called today after I faxed him my list of questions. I was sitting in My ONC's office, fortuitously, so we put him on speaker and they had a big convo. Apparently my cells are not abnormal. I have endometrial cells in the pap smear, which IS abnormal for a woman my age. He suspected my estradiol levels would be high, although they haven't been the last couple of years when they do a hormone panel. At any rate, they are still waiting for the endometrial biopsy results, but he thinks he wants to do a d and c to double check everything. Things a hysterectomy might be overkill from what it looks like right now. There were no signs of squamous cells. They both think the whole thing might be related to tamoxifen and agreed that it should stop immediately. I am starting on Arimidex. They will test levels in 6 weeks also, but think that may do the trick.

    I asked what would happen if I just said I wanted a hysterectomy and I was not going to take Arimidex. He convinced me to give it a shot first and then decide. Said I could always have the hysterectomy and if I can't tolerate them, he will work with me. Said he would put me back on a low dose of cymbalta if the joint pain is too much.

    So, potentially better news than I anticipated at this point, but as my ONC noted, he doesn't give me odds anymore as I seem to end up on the wrong end of them. 

    Lago, this is for you  

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    Hold on to your hair: Hitchcock's classic thriller, The Birds, showed what can happen when birds turn bad

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    Hello everyone! Been awhile since I've been on here. This thread got dropped from my favorites again. LOL.  My DD2 got married on Sat. So i was too busy to post anyway. Congrats to those finishing chemo or reaching milestones!  That's awesome! 

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  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    This thread has really gone to the birds lol

    Momx2 - so sorry you are having issues with your surgery - hope things turn around for you soon.

    I do have either a UTI or the start of a kidney infection.  They gave me an antibiotic but are sending it out for culture  I had moderate blood in my urine also.  I am severely allergic to sulfa and have had adverse reactions to cipro - they were like  - well what usually works for you for a UTI and I said - I really haven't had a UTI in 20 years so I don't know.  Chemo and me appartently are not getting along.

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    moonflwr what a beautiful picture !!!!

    Linda sorry to hear!  I'm with you!!

  • LeeA
    LeeA Posts: 1,092

    Linda, what a great photo.  Your skin coloring looks great with the scarf/top.  It always amazed me that, for the most part, my skin looked pretty good during chemo (I'm prone to breakouts).  

    Fluff, it sounds like the news today is good news or cautiously optimistic news.  I've come to the point where I not only accept cautiously optimistic but embrace it.  

    momx2, Congratulations on the all nodes clear but sorry you're having healing issues.  I had a leaky left breast from mid-January through the end of April and it really got me down.  I suppose because it's a constant reminder that things aren't yet right. We're used to our bodies behaving in a certain way and then chemo, surgery, radiation and all the other stress of the process creates a new normal that doesn't feel anywhere close to normal at a time when all we crave is normal, if that makes sense.  Looking back over it all, it has been the reconstruction that's slowed everything down the most but when you think about it, recreating body parts is far from a perfect science - especially when our immune systems have taken a beating from the initial surgery, chemo, radiation, etc.  I haven't gotten to where the dark cloud has been dark enough to go on antidepressants but I've been on them before and I know they can help as a bridge.  I hope your plastic surgeon is working closely with you on this.  I ended up having to switch plastic surgeons - not once, but twice - and the second one definitely improved the situation over the first one and the third one has definitely helped improve the current situation.  I had to switch this last time because of a move but what I'm saying is this:  if you're not feeling any satisfaction or have any qualms at all, there's nothing wrong with getting a second opinion from another surgeon.  

    Moon, your daughter is a beautiful young woman/bride.  They both look so happy!

    lago, I would walk softly and carry a big stick.  On the other hand, there's a big fine according to the link you posted.  Okay, I would walk softly and carry a fly swatter.  

  • efcjax
    efcjax Posts: 74

    Linda, I think I'm allergic to chemo too.  Tummy issues today.  How long can one live on soup?  I feel like I'm falling apart.  Momx2, I can't imagine how awful it is what you're going through.  I pray things get better soon.  I find my emotions are a roller coaster these days.  Maybe tomorrow will be a brighter day.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    So have I

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  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    Linda sorry to hear that. I am allergic to a lot of abx but Cipro is one of my good ones. LOL.  

    Of the many pages I had to read to catch up, here some in for you were talking about. 

    Syncope so heart monitored

    Went down at work 1-3-11 

    Pacemaker implanted 1-4-11

    Back at work 1-11-11

    PCP checked my Vitamin D3 on routine checkup. It was 14. Placed on supplements

    Mammo - 9-11

    Recall mammo &

    Dx in 10-11.

    Biopsy 11-11

    Sx- BM

    BMX w/TES 12-11

    Back at work 1-14-12

    Infection 1--17-12

    Sx to remove implant 1-17

    Abx til Feb 2-12

    MUGA 2-10-12

    Port implanted 2-14

    Chemo TCH starts 2-16-12

    Saw MO before every tx. Full panel blood work done every tx most tx got additional magnesium and potassium by IV probably due to diarrhea after every tx for 5-10 days.

    Bad reaction to chemo dose lowered 20% on Carboplatin 2-20-12

    2nd tx  real bad reaction -kidney failure sent to hospital and on abx IV 4 days in hospital 3-15

    Abx IV at home for 3 weeks followed by 3 weeks oral - 3rd tx postponed till abx done. 

    3rd tx lowered Taxotere 20%  but transfusion of 2 units red blood cells

    MUGA 4-12 ok but 2 point drop

    4th and 5th ok but 2 units of PRBC again.

    Last F(Lago version!)  CHEMO 6-9-12

    Herceptin alone started 8-14

    Next TE placement 8- 16-14

    Next infection and TE removal 9-12-14

    Abx IV 3 weeks & 3 weeks oral

    MUGA on 8 -12 - dropped 18 points down to 40. Herceptin stopped after 2nd H only tx. 

    In every 3 weeks for mag infusions 

    Saw MO every 6 weeks

    Saw MO 12-12 doing a bit better but not realized for work

    S'S Disability comes through for 5 year review ( because of 1) heart 2) knees-mobility 3) chemo reactions)

    Cardiac checkup Echo shows improvement in EF to 54. 

    Following 2-13 appointment,  MO gives ok for return to work on his end. PCP says no. 

    Still getting mag infusions every 4-6 weeks ti 6-14 present time. 

    Guess I did have a few Scenic Detours! LOL

  • Pbrain
    Pbrain Posts: 773

    Your bird stories are cracking me up!  Lago, buy a cat and get it to walk on a leash...wait get it to power walk on a leash :-)

    So I had a down day today.  I get the feeling that I am finally starting to own this breast cancer and I just feel like my life flew way out of my control and is still a disorganized mess.  I don't normally get down so I think this is the moment my NP was always worrying about.  She told me that for some, it takes a long time to own that you had cancer.  She said my positive attitude would have to eventually crack one day.  Fluff, what you said about losing confidence in your life, I so feel that now.  I feel middle-aged and no longer a go getter at work.  My garden looks awful this year and that's because of the bad winter, but I feel powerless to get it back together...I'm finally owning this.  How weird is that?

    I'll pull myself up by my bootstraps, and I have to stop lecturing myself for my disorganization--heck, I went through cancer as a single woman. I had the help of many friends, but it was tough to ask.  I have to celebrate me and not get down on myself.

    Thanks for letting me rant.  And I'm happy to hear all the good news.  The bad things will pass.  Chemo is really such a short time in the long run.  Celebrate each milestone!  And eat what tastes good!

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Posts: 1,661

    Pbrain - I went through what you are going through now.

    When I was dx I was in a management position that was high powered and could be quite stressful. I was used to juggling 40 balls at a time with ease.  Then came bc. I lost my self confidence, my self assurance. Felt like an old lady with no future and no prospects. Had to quit my job as I couldn't cope with the office politics and the stress.

    I took up a job just doing admin, where I just had to do my work and go home and not worry about anything to do with work. I kept feeling like I should be over everything that had happened to me and be moving on, but I couldn't. Mind you I was near the end of Herceptin at that stage, so really still in tx. I also felt guilty because I'd dropped a lot in salary - and we were struggling financially. Felt like that was all my fault.

    I did get over it though. It takes a while, but I can say that the last 12 months have been the happiest and most satisfying months of my life. I have my self confidence and self assurance back now and feel I can do anything again, and take on the world if I have to lol.

    Give yourself time, you have to go through this process, so give yourself permission to grieve for everything you've lost over the past couple of years. Once you feel comfortable with that you'll be able to slowly come out of your cocoon a lovely butterfly ready to face the world and everything it has to throw at you.

    Trish

    xoxo

  • ang7894
    ang7894 Posts: 427

    Can anyone tell me besides the lumps what are the signs to look out for? No one ever told me what to look out for after I completed treatment. Any info would be great.

     

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    ang, my bs said a pimple like thing along the scar line also.

    Pbrain and Trisha-I just got moved over to Arimidex because of my Pap smear results. Just picked up the bottle and I am so depressed. This is the first time I feel like anything girly left in me will be sucked dry. I dont want more joint pain, hair loss, and every other side effect that goes with it.

    It was especially depressing when I mentioned to my friendly pharmacist that I wasn't looking forward to the changes from tamoxifen, and he said "you will probably notice a difference." Not sure hot flashes can be a whole lot worse. I don't want to look like a dried up hag. I can see why women decide to stop taking the drug.

    I am going to google tonight to see if I can find studies on just how much survival difference an ai makes with a hysterectomy versus just the hysterectomy. 

    I'm afraid to join an Arimidex thread. Worried I'll be even more depressed.

  • rozem
    rozem Posts: 749

    pbrain and trisha-anne your posts were so timely for me today! I quit my high stress, lots of travel, lots of work job the day I was diagnosed.  Seriously picked up my shit and left.  I didn't work for 2 years because I just didn't feel good with rx and surgery blah blah blah you all know the drill. I took this stupid job I have right now (sales, not exciting at all) because I could make my own hours and it was flexible.  I am MISERABLE.  All my friends are climbing the corporate ladder and here I am with barely the energy to get up in the morning.  If I hear about one more promotion or VP title im going to scream.  I am afraid to go back to what I was doing - I don't know if im sharp enough or have the stamina.  I am job hunting but I have been told many times Im over qualified because quite frankly I am, but I don't know if I can do that job any more.  ugh.  just ranting.  I feel so robbed of my pre cancer life. fuck cancer.

     Trisha-anne, glad to hear you are getting your mojo back!

    fluff hugs- that is so f'in crappy -like the bc wasn't enough. I hope its very very early and the hyst takes care of it.  As for looking old, my gyn told me that she has a woman on zoladex for 4 years and she said "she aged 10 years in a year" yippee!  thanks!

  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Posts: 2,700

    sounds like we are all right on schedule... are we allowed to say fuck cancer?

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Posts: 1,661

    Fluff - I was on Arimidex for around 14 months, and it was pure hell. I had really, really bad joint pain and I "lost" my brain. I couldn't function properly and felt like I was living in a fog.  My onc changed me to Aromasin - and it was as if a light was turned on in my life.  I found my brain again! lol and more importantly my brain is still there!  I do get some joint pain, and now after 2 years on Aromasin it can be bad, it's nowhere near as bad as on Arimidex. So - Arimidex was bad for me and Aromasin really good - for some women it's the other way around. You won't know until you try it. I was at the point where I had decided that if Aromasin was as bad for me as Arimidex then I would not take anything as QOL was more important. But you need to try it first.

    I have a friend who is also triple positive, and her IDC was very small. She decided she was not going to try an AI because of all the se's she'd heard about and didn't want to go through that. Just over 12 months out of finishing Herceptin, she's now stage IV.

    Rozem, I don't know which AI you are on - but it might be worth changing to a different one to see how you cope. I really think that my change from Arimidex to Aromasin was what made the world of difference to me.

    (((hugs)))) to you both

    Trish

    xoxo

  • goutlaw
    goutlaw Posts: 268

    Im thinking about asking my oncologist about getting the lap band done nowlol Its laproscopic Do u think he would say ots ok if u just had Cancer!!! Since estrogen is in fat cells

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    3 years on Anastrozole. I was doing fine till around January. I've been on a month break. My onc is recommending Aromasin but DH & I will be discussing this next week. Have I aged sure but I'm not so sure I can blame it on the Anastrozole. I mean I am 4 years older and went through chemo-pause. I still look better than many women my age and they never even went through treatment.

    But as I said before I was more scared of this drug than chemo. I realized though I can always quit. You won't know if you have issues until you try. How soon after you go off the drug do things improve… for me is started to improve 24 hours later!

  • momx2
    momx2 Posts: 68

    Question , how soon after chemo did the ladies on Tamoxifen start to take it . Ive been delayed because of all the other complications , this worries me .

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    goutlaw I would research the lapband carefully. I know a couple of women who did it. One was diagnosed about the same time as me. She's have lots of the "rare" complications. My friends sister is also have a few complications. I would first ask your onc if s/he can recommend a dietitian and maybe some kind of exercise program. If that fails then you can revisit the lapband.

  • princessrn
    princessrn Posts: 270

    moon..what a lovely picture and what a tale of your diagnosis!

    lago...the birds have to love someone, apparently, it's you!  

    fluff..sorry about all the crap and worry.  I am hopeful you ease into it and have minimal SE.

    pbrain..Funny, how we handle things.  It takes a long time to settle.  Think about all you have done, in spite of bc.  You just went on as if nothing happened, kept on truckin if you will.  I think it is liking not being able to grieve. Finally, you are ready and able to process and grieve.  

    rozem..sad the choices this dx makes us make.

    I am feeling better.  I am almost 5 weeks out from last treatment.  I did a 10 day green smoothie cleanse and it helped. I lost 12#. I was really retaining fluids, my lower thighs were firm.  And I still have some ankle edema but it is mostly resolved. My skin looks better and I have more energy. I am sleeping still poorly but it has improved some. My eye watering is almost resolved.  My pinkie finger though is still swollen and painful from the neuropathy.  I had my first triple H and seem to be okay.  My muscles still seem to ache and I am not sure if that is residual from the chemo or from the Herceptin. I was able to exercise yesterday and today.  

    I see the RO on Friday to see what is proposed.

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    Mom, I finished Chemo on June 20, 2011. I started tamoxifen July 1, 2014, so I made it almost three years.

    The Arimidex bottle and I are having a stare down. My onc starts with Arimidex, moves to Aromasin, and then to the other two. I asked about Faslodex, and he said it really isn't FDA approved for non metastatic people. i thought it sounded pretty good. 

    Trisha-your friend is enough to keep me on the drug. Did she have it in her lymph nodes? 

    Onc said if I have joint pain, he will prescribe Cymbalta again to see if that will help with joint pain as well as take the edge off my anxiety.

    Lago-Knowing I can quit is the only thing that is giving me strength to take it. If I do have to quit, I probably would have a hysterectomy then just to help reduce the estrogen production.

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Posts: 1,661

    Fluff, my friend's IDC was under 1cm and no lymph nodes. It has now metastasised to her spine. It's very sad.
    Trish

    xoxo

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    fluff - special k is the new poster child - lol!!!  Glad they gave you some clarification on the hyst front.  Keep in mind that you can switch drugs, and manufacturers, to find a good aromatase inhibitor drug fit.  On the AI threads just remember that nobody will be there exclaiming how much they love Arimidex, or whatever - people come there to bitch.  That doesn't mean there aren't people out there taking the drug and doing just fine - they just probably are not posting.

    linda - actually this is par for the course - nobody gets through unscathed.  It is good that they are culturing - I took an old drug - macrodantin, which I had not taken in years but thought would be ok - nope, allergic.  That caused a rash and bought me even more steroids - awesome!!!

    mom - sorry to hear about your healing issues - believe me, I can sympathize, but please know you will get through this.

    efc - you can live a long time on soup - I am living proof.

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    efc-I went through chemo on Wolfgang Puck's free range chicken and egg noodle soup. Best chicken soup in a can ever. Hot food tasted crummy. I ate a lot of cold stuff. Made smoothies, etc.

    Special K-since I am here bitching with the rest of them, I'll fit right in!

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    fluff - Panera Broccoli and Cheese in a bread bowl is pretty much the bomb!  And Tomato Basil.  You may be pleasantly surprised at how you do on an AI - I struggled a bit, but changed around meds and the one I am on now Femara ( generic letrozole  - by Teva) has caused no substantive issues so far, and I have no joint pain, but I eat an anti-inflammatory diet.  My hair is ok, but chemo dealt it a blow, I was not one that had it come back thick and curly.  I don't think I look old (I think you and I are the same age), nor do I feel like I look any older than I would have otherwise - I have been on an AI since mid-2011.

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    momx2 my chemo is scheduled to end mid aug and my MO said that I'd probably start tamoxifen 2-3 months afterwards

  • momx2
    momx2 Posts: 68

    Thank you all for your input and words of encouragement . Im so exhausted and drained ,I hate feeling so sad since my BMX...

  • Pbrain
    Pbrain Posts: 773

    Thank you Trish and Rozem, you've helped me so much.  And you too Princess.  I think this is grieving.  My Dad passed in the summer of 2011, I was diagnosed fall of 2012 and my brother-in-law passed from CML in January of 2013.  I honestly don't think I ever did much grieving.  I think now is time.  It is hard though, but you can't get away from the process.  Your posts all mean so much to me.  Seriously, thank you!  I hate being down like this!!

    Fluff, the aromatase inhibitors inhibit the production of estrogen from the other tissues (fat cells, gut, etc) since the ovaries kind of chill out after awhile.  The tamoxifen family is a SERB (specific estrogen receptor blocker) which blocks the estrogen binding to breast cells (and a few other types, but not bone).  So if your ovaries are done making estrogen, a total hysterectomy probably won't do the work of an aromatase inhibitor.  I've been on Arimidex since August and was in so much pain during the first 6 months (I was honestly crippled at Christmas).  Now, not so much.  My shoulders hurt if I sit too long at my desk or sleep in.  But other than that, I think I'm back to A-ok.  I asked my NP if I could change to aromasin during my last Herceptin in the beginning of December and she said I should hang in there.  Six months is about the longest the horrible side effects last, and women do start to feel better.  She is so right.  I think besides my dry skin (which I've always had, but now it is worse) and my struggle to lose weight, but I am losing on Weight Watchers, I don't really feel any big side effects.  I do want to see what my DEXA shows in a year, but if it keeps the BC away, I'm fine taking it.

  • susanhg123
    susanhg123 Posts: 257

    Footballnut-you are cute as 2 bugs. Seriously. My bald head looked like a light bulb-that melted a bit. I did the shave the first time. My hair looked like I had mange. Bad mange. Untreated mange. Then-it fell out two more times. And I quit caring. Losing my nose hairs was rough due to allergies-but oh well. I now have curly almost the same color as when I was a teen. Not quite strawberry but close. Weird. 

    See my MO Thursday when we will discuss the merits of Femara. Again. I swear that drug was created by some snot nose PharmD who hates his mother. 

    On a happy note. Returned from Boulder late Sunday. Oh my I did NOT want to return to dry dusty SE NM. The weather was wonderful-cool, lovely rain, beautiful flowers. Her apartment is the size of a Kleenex box. Just less than 500 sq". We became first name friends with staff @ Bed, Bath, and Beyond trying to create storage out of nothing, Found a couch that lifts one end for storage, a 3 drawer dresser to use as a TV stand, lots or creative under sink, and above closet items. Towels will be stored in the dryer. Pots and pans stored in the dishwasher. At the bookstore we were looking for CU Law T-shirts. A man heard us talking and introduced himself. A law prof-he was complimentary to Sarah for being admitted and offered 1L advice for success. Her apartment is less than a 2 minute walk from the law building, a whole foods, a sprouts, and a 3 minute walk to Target. She started her summer internship @ a sustainable farm yesterday and said it was the BEST day ever. Mom is happy. AND, bless her little heart. She said she could see me living there. Told her I would not infringe on her life. She said we could live in the same town. Sweet girl. Made my ole sick heart almost burst with joy. 

    It was back to work today. Trying to catch up on the posts. 

    Much love to all.

    ~susan

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    susan - "you can live in the same town" - how cute is that?  She's a keeper!