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  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Oh my, eyes are crossing already. it 'll take awhile. Read two metanalyses----Bottom line is they are non-committal in the conclusions. That doesn't help.

    But followed a breadcrumb(clue) and found something I just suggested last night to someone t try and find. It's the USA Department of Agriculture nutrient listing. You can plug in up to three nutrients at a time.

    This link is to MedlinePlus vitamin D. The blue box doesn't have any info that we already aren't aware of. BUT scroll down and there are plenty of pages to review that are disease, or age, or type specific. Wander around this page and see what trips your trigger.

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/vitamind.html#cat1

    One of the  breadcrumb(links) I just suggested last night to someone to try and find. It's the USA Department of Agriculture Nutrient listing. You can plug in up to three nutrients at a time, change the box settings/parameters and you can get all kinds of info. Not sure if it's the best thing yet, but it's better than nothing. I have a book from the 80's that has nutrient listings for 17 items across the top with the foods grouped by category down the left side. Huge amount of info on a standard 8 1/2 by 11 inch sheet.

    Haven't played enough with the web page to see if I can pull up a page like the one my book has.

    This is the link, put it in your favorites in your computer. Play with it and see if you find it useful

    http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/nutrients/

    Enough for tonight.

     

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    In New York in the last week.

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-general-targets-supplements-at-major-retailers/?_r=0

    "The New York State attorney general’s  office accused four major retailers on Monday of selling fraudulent and potentially dangerous herbal supplements and demanded that they remove the products from their shelves." Please read the article. The reason it's important to us is. Unless you are on prescription meds, the OTC supplements may be bogus. The attorney general used analysis of the products done by a Canadian firm. There has been all kinds of reactions over this. One approach that the government has supported for years is that the FDA control supplements. There was a grass roots challenge in I think 1994. FDA and the government lost, but so did we apparently.

    But in following the vitamin D trail, I found this page on the DEpt. of Agriculture site that identifies a 5 year research project to evaluate certain products --Dietary supplements(DS) and OTC. The products chosen are Omega3, Prenatal Multivitamins, Adult Multivitamins. Pilot studies will be done on green teas, DS/OTC Calcium and D products.

    The reason this is important is: Is the government circumventing the usual process  because it is prohibited by law from doing anything with supplements through the FDA. A decision maker somewhere in our government has decided to use the Agriculture Dept. This research started a year ago. It's not that I don't think it's important to know exactly what's in the DS/OTC products, I do. The government should be more transparent. Particularly with this fiasco in the supplement industry that has failed to police itself. But is not being transparent because it is circumventing the 1994 law.

    http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/projects/projects.htm?accn_no=426694#

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    OMD Chevy help me------------why did I get so serious today? I must need sex or chocolate,

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Oh dear Jwoo, wish we could take away the pain. With all Iknow, after Greg died., I spent so much time in bed staring at the ceiling. It wasn't' good, but I had no reason to keep moving. And no one to get me going. You have each other. Set aside time each day to get outside and walk briskly. Hopefully the air is brisk. You will feel better. If there's snow do something goofy. Breathe deep feel the cold air inside your nostrils and your cheeks getting cold. Think about the top of a mountain and how your going to shush all the way down.

    Eat well, drink very little. The drinking will only make you sad, and bring you down.

    There was a note from Blessings to you. It was perfect about using an estate sales company and what to expect them to do.

    Sure I'll help with the glass. Whatever it takes.

    You're beating yourself up with questions. They are the hardest to quiet. Treat them as a noisy child , in your own way.

    This is the Insomnia queen suggesting you sleep for a few days. Your bodies are tired. All will be a bit easier with a mind that Isn't mush and a body that'dragging lead.

    You talked to her in that place. You could yell at her in that place. You will feel the reason if you let it happen.

    Pray often L&H&P' s...sassy

  • hey all. SAS - are you still up or awake already ?

    Shoutout to all. Hope most are dreaming wonderfully sweet dreams

    Hootie hoo

  • m0mmyof3
    m0mmyof3 Posts: 10,061

    Daisy I couldn't turn down a Dunkin' Donuts Iced Coffee, especially if hubby was paying!

    Well, I'ma gonna finish my coffee and then its off to start the day!

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,048

    Sass- as long as I eat my veggies and take probiotics with meals, no constipation. I take the 5000 of Vitamin D because I have always been on the low side, and doctor okayed it. I was doing 1000 mg for a long time and it was not doing anything to help.

    The MO's office thought I should have it checked again. I know having enough is important for the bones, which are not doing that great especially on the AIs, and also has other linkages to the immune system. Time to see where that level is at again.....

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

    Morning gals! I just saw this on FB! There are a bunch more fun quotes about diffeent subjects, but this one is good!

    http://quotespaper.com/quotes-about-life/5871

    Jazzy, how did you find that picture of me? It was taken about 2 weeks ago... Hah! Yeah, my hair was always a mousy light brown, but since I turned like 21, I started turning gray, and it just made me look washed out... my eyebrows are still dark brown, and so is my hair.... :)

    I was a reddish-head once for about a week.... and it scared me....! My one SIL who is about 68, has that bright reddish hair, which wasn't BAD as strawberry blonde, but good Lord she looks kind of like one of those gals on that DIVA wrestling reality show.


  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Posts: 8,178

    I don't have problems with constipation either. When pain doc ordered that test, it came back at 17. No doc anywhere has said a word about kidney function with these amounts. The D3 dose can go to 50,000 per week, but then you are more closely watched. For what, I don't know.

    I did see recently the Feds are changing dietary guidelines again. I skimmed it, don't remember much. And that they are cracking down on the supplements. The supplement proponents are Shocked! I laughed. Not just the alternative people here, on the 2 other forums I hang on too.

    To me that says that quacks like Dr Oz are either going to put up, or shut up. About time!

    So if you do a little homework, you can figure out if you need to EAT more of something to help, rather than pop a questionable pill. Leg cramps, RLS, eat a handful of almonds . High in mag

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Posts: 10,258

    And yes JWOW! Your eyes were almost open, Hah! A girl just wants to have fun! Don't care how old we are.... It's all relative....

    Sass.... both! Your problem is both! Never one without the other... EVER!

    I have to hurry... I have important chit to do..........

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Posts: 8,178

    Just went back to your post. Knew I forgot some stuff.

    I'd say I've done the D3 about 10 years. First MO was pleased to find out I was already on it, he added the calcium. My DEXA last month showed increase in bone loss, new MO says this supplement schedule is ok, pending that D3 test I haven't heard about yet. She mentioned other options.

    I don't see an endo for anything.

    PCP ran thyroid tests, came back in range. Think those ranges have been revised, too many people being missed.

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,048

    Good morning insomniacs- I was able to go back to sleep after being awake middle of the night again. Insomnia came back!

    Sassy- love the comment about needing sex or chocolate (or both). Just in time for Valentines Day.

    Oh and you asked about thyroid. Also always been on the low side, but never on anything except the suggestion of iodine supplements from a CNP at one time. Never saw that it helped, so I gave those up. My doctor has thought for years I have low thyroid, my mother did, but tests don't show it to be an issue.

    And I heard about the issues with the supplements and herbals in NY. One must be very careful and if you find something to help you, I like to check with my docs to be sure there are no contradictions or any other concerns. I take something called hyaluronic acid that helps the joint stiffness and feet stiffness on the AIs, and my MO said it was okay (brought him the bottle one visit....)

    Chevy- I thought that was you! LOL.

    MammaRay- good to pick your threads carefully. There are some heavy things going on with some of these threads, with people's health and emotions too. I hope you got through your tests okay and that you hear something soon on your pet scan. Fingers crossed for good outcomes. We will be here if you want to talk about your results.

    JWoo- hugs to you sister and sorry things are so hard. Glad you have the dog to go back with you. Safe travels.

    Hope everyone else has a reasonable day.

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Posts: 1,664

    I definitely can not take extra calcium - levels almost 10 now. Regarding Vit D3 seems like folks should have their levels checked especially if they are inside much of the day, do shift work or live in a cold/grey climate where 6 months of the year you're inside. I think most folks are chronically low and there is research to suggest it puts you at risk for all kinds of things- including cancer. There are also some studies to suggest that taking drugs like prilosec will effect the absorption of vitamins and minerals from your diet and gut, because they alter the pH. There is such fine line chemistry between balance and unbalanced. We need these small amounts of vitamins and minerals too. We think hey.. I'll just fix this indigestion... then monkey with a bunch of other things by accident!

    MammaRay- whew you are right on bone mets thread... feathers get ruffled easily eh?? Same on Death and Dying.. I'm off. Well I have been off for a while ha ha... but it feels like walking on egg shells sometimes. If you are honest about your experiences then someone takes it personally like a punch. Hmm.. Weird. Your comments have nothing to do with these others, who you don't even know. I mean if your favorite color is blue would you jump all over someone if they said their favorite color was yellow? Great for lovers of yellow! Room for blue too.. Insecurities run amok!

    Sassy go for both! ha ha and decaf only! JWoo fortitude while you are on this journey. Hugs to all.

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Posts: 2,615

    hi guys, I don't take anything but estrogen. Yes I know, but did some research so still taking it. To change the topic a little, here's the quilt I designed to show tonight and see if it's a go. If they want something else then they'll have to find someone else to run the show. This is all machines embroidered. With the double borders it's 90 x 110 inches. I should have kept my month shut.!

    image

    It's all Jacobean flowers. We have a year to get it all done and ready to travel.

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Posts: 2,615

    sassy, did you get your sex and chocolate?? ;) I hate it when you can't get your mind to shut off. Luckily I havent had that for a while, though I can't seem to get back to sleep if I get up to go pee in the wee hours of the morning.

    I hope everybody is doing better and have some good plans for this weekend. Mammo, glad the drains are out. A pain but very necessary.

    BBL! Have to take my mom to doc appt then out to lunch

  • Rosevalley
    Rosevalley Posts: 1,664

    Love the quilt! Take some close ups of the flowers.

  • Smaarty
    Smaarty Posts: 2,615

    this is still in the computer. I did stitch out one yesterday, so I'll show you that later. Have to see if I can enlarge the designs I have. I have the software but don't know if it will work on my new PC.

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Posts: 8,178

    Makes no difference how much or how little natural sun you get for D3. This is one your body doesn't make well. Sas and I have been here for years, both very low in it.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889


    Smarrty a birthday lunch with Mom, just you and her. Wow HAVE FUN :) Loved the quilt, can you fix that little spacey thing in the middle. It's not done yet?. My Mom whose deceased is kicking me under the table. Smarrty, if you bring that brown one down a little bit  it will balance it a bit more.

    Oh Spookie this is going to be so much work. I haven't looked at or cared about D in awhile. Just took it. My eyes are actually swollen. BUT when I hear all kinds of docs are prescribing at thousands of units. higher than what my doc lead me to believe was safe. Then I have to find out where that is coming from. Spookie it's not just us in Florida. The florida numbers for defieciency are very high. My ex -endo was shocked when this came out in someway in 2008. Since the reasons were unknown, their were all kinds of theories. We wore sunscreen. We stayed out of the sun when the UV ray were the worst---10am--5pm. If out we covered up so as not to get too much. Shift work. Not sure if they did an actual study to find out why. We had public service announcement for a couple of years.  BLAH BLAH

    MY sequence when put on the med was 50,000 a day for a week(might have been two), If it wasn't daily then, forget the second week, Third week started 50000 a week for 6 weeks, Then 50000 a month. ever since. Doc said to go to 50000 twice a month when I still had fatigue and a few other s/s. But scared by his kidney words. Never found anything. He would bury his head in his computer trying to look focused and oblivious to my questions. But now I have to dig deeper. 

    The most magical feeling came with the first dose. I had this amazing feeling of my brain and mind--good. Lifted floatingas if in the most beautiful pond. Then it felt like I had warm melted chocolate flowing all over my body. Waves of feeling wonderful The sense of well being was like nothing in my life. I chased that feeling with every dose of D after that for along while. It never happened again. The next time I had something close was when I had my first few doses of Cytomel-Liothyronine the active form of thyroid medicine. It too last only a few days. I have been chasing that feeling too. That's what convinced me docs were wrong about thyroid treatment. How could I feel so good then and so awful before.

    BBL

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Posts: 8,178

    I get that great feeling! The first day I took the D3 I got it. I must have been deficient for a long time. As I said, I can tell when I miss a day. And I was driving then, so was exposed to sun daily.

    The folks up north don't understand how we in the sunnier south can be deficient in it.

    The way I understand it is, there are different types of D, one is added to milk and foods. D2 isn't maybe as "necessary" d3 our bodies can't make. It is NOT dependent on sun.Just 10 min or so daily takes care of the first 2. Without sunscreen. So going out for the mail, you're good.

    I think I told you one of my other forums has a resident guru, like you. In her work life she was a medical pro, don't know what. She is very knowledgeable about these things, I learned about the D there

  • jazzygirl
    jazzygirl Posts: 12,048

    I too live in a sunny place, but myself and other friends here have Vitamin D issues. I talked to someone yesterday here who has none in her body and on high doses like you have talked about. If it were just about sunlight, then many of us in the southern climes would be rich in it, right?

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Posts: 8,178

    Exactly, Jazzy!

  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Posts: 2,484

    Sassy - I got MO to measure VitD3 2 years ago. Low normal. Did nothing "it's OK". I'm just horrible about remembering my calcium/D. I'm trying to get better. And I even have D3 from probably WalMart. Just took an Omega 3. Sits on my desk but I rarely take it. I'm doing good to remember my metoprolol, Femara, Claritin, once a week Fosamax. Take 3 Advil when I hit the kitchen 1st thing in the morning. That along with the cotton pickin eye drops rule my day. Oh and my Zantac. I'm going to get PCP to put note on my chart something about worsening GERD. Setting up myself for hopefully change to Prolia. This summer is 3/5 years on Femara. MO was cagey about length of time when new recommendations came out. Originally said 5 years.

    I tried the supplement chart just a tiny bit for D3. Hard to figure out the "amounts". Found 2 figures for fortified skim fluid milk (I assume that is reg. grocery skim milk). But I must admit I didn't spend much time. For heaven's sake don't put in just D3 and all foods. It was 76 pages I think starting with Baby Food. I still have my Nutrition book (prob. late 70's copyright). Might look some stuff up in there.

    Spookie - I think I would agree. I am not a sun worshipper but then not an avoider. Olive-ish skin, tan easily. I woulda thought mine was higher. Seems like maybe Sept or maybe Dec. when it was measured. Don't want to dig out labs. Should though cause I have more stuff to put in there. I tanned just walking car/building when I was doing hospice. Same with thyroid test last year. I might could find that one online but I think I have hard copy. "OK on thyroid was the answer back". "why am I so tired and why do I keep gaining weight? Could we test my thyroid? Sure, we can do that but the answer is exercise." Now I'm not stupid, I know I spend far too many hours sitting here but I can read test results too and low normal is probably not where I want to be but NOT going to get supplement from him, no way, no how.

    Oh yes Rose about the Prilosec. PCP said finish what I had and then changed me to Zantac. I don't think it has the interference level. But I take all my morning meds long b4 I even think of a Zantac. And bad girl me I know I drink far too much coffee. I should get DH to make less in the morning, then at least maybe I would switch to tea. Not a great green tea fan, love the dark kickintheteeth English stuff. I told PCP and MO I thought I had given up enough already. Not giving up my coffee and No WAY can I sleep with my head elevated. I wouldn't be able to turn my head at all. And yes we eat dinner way too late. I should fix my dinner earlier and just feed DH warmed up stuff. That or me eat yest. leftovers early and fix him hot stuff.

    My gosh Smaarty, they better love that quilt. I have a set of counted cross stitch Jacobean flowers I did 30+ years ago framed in my hallway. Tell us again what the plans for this quilt involve. You said "travel".

    JWoo - hugs girlfriend. You've had one tough road to travel these past weeks. Hug BF tight and have a safe drive home. TX in for cold spell starting Tuesday. Maybe snow for DFW.

  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Posts: 2,484

    Intended to edit that a bit. I take the standard OTC Calcium/D3 compatible to Caltrate 600+D says 2X/day. Lucky if I remember it once. Not particularly a milk drinker this time of year. Like cheese. Vegies are OK. I probably don't eat a very good diet for what I know lol.

    I didn't see the last few posts. Interesting the feeling of euphoria with D3. Surely someone's done a study on that.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Littlegoats yes, that's the word couldn't find it

    EUPHORIA, EUPHORIA, EUPHORIA , I SEEK YOU , YOU CAME ONCE, I TASTED YOU, I CRAVE YOU, WHY WILL YOU NOT COME TO ME AGAIN?


     

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    Smarrty I had that link in my fingers so long I forgot what it was. It's to ChrissyB's thread when she vivisted the USA. She traveled all around. Met all kinds of sisters. Took all kinds of pics.

    She has aussie pics in there too. Her DD's wedding pic are here too. It's a wonderful travelog. Thought you might want to see :)

    https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/34/topic/773915?page=1

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20629479

    Vitamin D and calcium: a systematic review of health outcomes.

    Chung M, Balk EM, Brendel M, Ip S, Lau J, Lee J, Lichtenstein A, Patel K, Raman G, Tatsioni A, Terasawa T, Trikalinos TA.

    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Since the 1997 Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) values for vitamin D and calcium were established new data have become available on their relationship, both individually and combined, to a wide range of health outcomes. The Institute of Medicine/Food and Nutrition Board has constituted a DRI committee to undertake a review of the evidence and potential revision of the current DRI values for these nutrients. To support this review, several US and Canadian federal government agencies commissioned a systematic review of the scientific literature for use during the deliberations by the committee. The intent of providing a systematic review to the committee is to support transparency of the literature review process and provide a foundation for subsequent reviews of the nutrients.

    PURPOSE:

    To systematically summarize the evidence on the relationship between vitamin D, calcium, and a combination of both nutrients on a wide range of health outcomes as identified by the IOM, AHRQ and technical expert panel convened to support the project.

    DATA SOURCES:

    MEDLINE; Cochrane Central; Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews; and the Health Technology Assessments; search limited to English-language articles in humans.

    STUDY SELECTION:

    Primary interventional or observational studies that reported outcomes of interest in human subjects in relation to vitamin D and/or calcium, as well as systematic reviews that met the inclusion and exclusion criteria. Cross sectional and retrospective case-control studies were excluded.

    DATA EXTRACTION:

    A standardized protocol with predefined criteria was used to extract details on study design, interventions, outcomes, and study quality.

    DATA SYNTHESIS:

    We summarized 165 primary articles and 11 systematic reviews that incorporated over 200 additional primary articles. Available evidence focused mainly on bone health, cardiovascular diseases or cancer outcomes. For many outcomes, it was difficult to draw firm conclusions on the basis of the available literature concerning the association of either serum 25(OH)D concentration or calcium intake, or the combination of both nutrients. Findings were inconsistent across studies for colorectal and prostate cancer, and pregnancy-related outcomes including preeclampsia. There were few studies for pancreatic cancer and immune function. Among trials of hypertensive adults, calcium supplementation lowered systolic, but not diastolic, blood pressure by 2-4 mm Hg. For body weight, the trials were consistent in finding no significant effect of increased calcium intake on weight. For growth rates, a meta-analysis did not find a significant effect on weight or height gain attributable to calcium supplement in children. For bone health, one systematic review found that vitamin D plus calcium supplementation resulted in small increases in BMD of the spine and other areas in postmenopausal women. For breast cancer, calcium intakes in premenopausal women were associated with a decreased risk. For prostate cancer, some studies reported that high calcium intakes were associated with an increased risk.

    LIMITATIONS:

    Studies on vitamin D and calcium were not specifically targeted at life stages (except for pregnant and postmenopausal women) specified for the determination of DRI. There is large variation on the methodological quality of studies examined. Use of existing systematic reviews limits analyses that could be performed on this source of information

    CONCLUSIONS:

    The majority of the findings concerning vitamin D, calcium, or a combination of both nutrients on the different health outcomes were inconsistent. Synthesizing a dose-response relation between intake of either vitamin D, calcium, or both nutrients and health outcomes in this heterogeneous body of literature proved challenging.

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    Translation they came up with No widely applicable answer

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21620350
    Actas Dermosifiliogr. 2011 Oct;102(8):572-88. doi: 10.1016/j.ad.2011.03.015. Epub  2011 May 26.

    [Vitamin D: evidence and controversies].

    Gilaberte Y1, Aguilera J, Carrascosa JM, Figueroa FL, Romaní de Gabriel J, Nagore E.

    Author information

    • 1Sección de Dermatología, Hospital San Jorge, Huesca, España. ygilaberte@salud.aragon.es

    Abstract

    Vitamin D enhances musculoskeletal health and reduces mortality related to bone disease in some populations, particularly the elderly and other high-risk groups. Evidence suggests that vitamin D has an impact in cancer, cardiovascular disease, autoimmune processes, and infections. Epidemiologic studies have also detected vitamin D deficits or insufficiency in nearly all the world's populations. Such evidence has led to debate related, to a certain degree, to photoprotective measures that aim at protecting against skin cancer. The latest recommendations of the American Institute of Medicine consider that serum levels of 20 ng/mL (50 nmol/L) appear to be adequate in the general population and achievable even with minimal sun exposure. If these figures are reliable, the apparent pandemic of vitamin D deficiency reported in recent years may be exaggerated. This article reviews the evidence and issues under discussion, looking especially at the role ultraviolet radiation plays in synthesizing vitamin D in the skin. The conclusion is that sun exposure should not be used as the only source of vitamin D given that it is also clearly carcinogenic for the skin. A healthful approach combines moderate sun exposure, adequate food sources of the vitamin, and supplements whenever required.

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    Supports use of supplements, but doesn't say how much

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23466150

    Ann Dermatol Venereol. 2013 Mar;140(3):176-82. doi: 10.1016/j.annder.2012.12.003. Epub  2013 Jan 7
    [Skin, sun exposure and vitamin D: facts and controversies].

    Author information

    • 1Clinique de dermatologie et photobiologie, pôle pluridisciplinaire de médecine, CHU A.-Michallon, 38043 Grenoble cedex, France. MTLeccia@chu-grenoble.fr

    Abstract

    Vitamin D plays a clearly defined role in phosphorus, calcium and bone metabolism. In addition to its effects on cellular proliferation and differentiation, and on immunity, it appears to exert other action, poorly understood to date, on human physiology and disease. A number of epidemiological studies have demonstrated a protective role of sun exposure with regard to the incidence of certain immune diseases and cancer, and upon the related mortality rates. Furthermore, over the last 10 years, studies have purported to find levels judged "inadequate" in numerous populations, and, in the absence of any strict scientific arguments, a correlation was established by certain authors between supposedly "inadequate" levels, sun exposure and risk of cancer. However, analysis of the literature shows that there is in fact no precise and consensual definition of normal ranges and that the notion of inadequacy was created artificially using assay techniques lacking in sensitivity and reproducibility. Photosynthesis of vitamin D can in fact be considered perfectly adequate in the majority of populations. However, greater care is needed with elderly subjects and with subjects exposed very little to sunlight. Current studies show that the means of photoprotection used in everyday life do not adversely affect such photosynthesis. In the event of documented vitamin D deficiency, oral supplements should be given, and exposure to natural or artificial UV radiation should not be prescribed. Ultraviolet radiation has been shown to be carcinogenic and responsible for the onset of most skin cancers, and the population must be warned against misleading advertising from the tanning industry. Care should also be taken with regard to the potential harmful effects of inappropriate vitamin D supplementation.

    Copyright © 2012 Elsevier Masson SAS. All rights reserved.

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    No usuable answer for us


  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Posts: 15,889

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18088161

     


     

     

     

     2007 Aug;(158):1-235.

    Effectiveness and safety of vitamin D in relation to bone health.

    Cranney A, Horsley T, O'Donnell S, Weiler H, Puil L, Ooi D, Atkinson S, Ward L, Moher D, Hanley D, Fang M, Yazdi F, Garritty C, Sampson M, Barrowman N, Tsertsvadze A, Mamaladze V.

    Abstract

    OBJECTIVES:

    To review and synthesize the literature in the following areas: the association of specific circulating 25(OH)D concentrations with bone health outcomes in children, women of reproductive age, postmenopausal women and elderly men; the effect of dietary intakes (foods fortified with vitamin D and/or vitamin D supplementation) and sun exposure on serum 25(OH)D; the effect of vitamin D on bone mineral density (BMD) and fracture or fall risk; and the identification of potential harms of vitamin D above current reference intakes.

    DATA SOURCES:

    MEDLINE(R) (1966-June Week 3 2006); Embase (2002-2006 Week 25); CINAHL (1982-June Week 4, 2006); AMED (1985 to June 2006); Biological Abstracts (1990-February 2005); and the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (2nd Quarter 2006).

    REVIEW METHODS:

    Two independent reviewers completed a multi-level process of screening the literature to identify eligible studies (title and abstract, followed by full text review, and categorization of study design per key question). To minimize bias, study design was limited to randomized controlled trials (RCTs) wherever possible. Study criteria for question one were broadened to include observational studies due to a paucity of available RCTs, and question four was restricted to systematic reviews to limit scope. Data were abstracted in duplicate and study quality assessed. Differences in opinion were resolved through consensus or adjudication. If clinically relevant and statistically feasible, meta-analyses of RCTs on vitamin D supplementation and bone health outcomes were conducted, with exploration of heterogeneity. When meta-analysis was not feasible, a qualitative systematic review of eligible studies was conducted.

    RESULTS:

    167 studies met our eligibility criteria (112 RCTs, 19 prospective cohorts, 30 case-controls and six before-after studies). The largest body of evidence on vitamin D status and bone health was in older adults with a lack of studies in premenopausal women and infants, children and adolescents. The quality of RCTs was highest in the vitamin D efficacy trials for prevention of falls and/or fractures in older adults. There was fair evidence of an association between low circulating 25(OH)D concentrations and established rickets. However, the specific 25(OH)D concentrations associated with rickets is uncertain, given the lack of studies in populations with dietary calcium intakes similar to North American diets and the different methods used to determine 25(OH)D concentrations. There was inconsistent evidence of an association of circulating 25(OH)D with bone mineral content in infants, and fair evidence that serum 25(OH)D is inversely associated with serum PTH. In adolescents, there was fair evidence for an association between 25(OH)D levels and changes in BMD. There were very few studies in pregnant and lactating women, and insufficient evidence for an association between serum 25(OH)D and changes in BMD during lactation, and fair evidence of an inverse correlation with PTH. In older adults, there was fair evidence that serum 25(OH)D is inversely associated with falls, fair evidence for a positive association with BMD, and inconsistent evidence for an association with fractures. The imprecision of 25(OH)D assays may have contributed to the variable thresholds of 25(OH)D below which the risk of fractures, falls or bone loss was increased. There was good evidence that intakes from vitamin D-fortified foods (11 RCTs) consistently increased serum 25(OH)D in both young and older adults. Eight randomized trials of ultraviolet (UV)-B radiation (artificial and solar exposure) were small and heterogeneous with respect to determination of the exact UV-B dose and 25(OH)D assay but there was a positive effect on serum 25(OH)D concentrations. It was not possible to determine how 25(OH)D levels varied by ethnicity, sunscreen use or latitude. Seventy-four trials examined the effect of vitamin D(3) or D(2) on 25(OH)D concentrations. Most trials used vitamin D(3), and the majority enrolled older adults. In three trials, there was a greater response of serum 25(OH)D concentrations to vitamin D(3) compared to vitamin D(2), which may have been due to more rapid clearance of vitamin D(2) in addition to other mechanisms. Meta-analysis of 16 trials of vitamin D(3) was consistent with a dose-response effect on serum 25(OH)D when comparing daily doses of <400 IU to doses >/= 400 IU. An exploratory analysis of the heterogeneity demonstrated a significant positive association comparable to an increase of 1 - 2 nmol/L in serum 25(OH)D for every 100 additional units of vitamin D although heterogeneity remained after adjusting for dose. Vitamin D(3) in combination with calcium results in small increases in BMD compared to placebo in older adults although quantitative synthesis was limited due to variable treatment durations and BMD sites. The evidence for fracture reduction with vitamin D supplementation was inconsistent across 15 trials. The combined results of trials using vitamin D(3) (700 - 800 IU daily) with calcium (500 - 1,200 mg) was consistent with a benefit on fractures although in a subgroup analysis by setting, benefit was primarily in elderly institutionalized women (fair evidence from two trials). There was inconsistent evidence across 14 RCTs of a benefit on fall risk. However, a subgroup analysis showed a benefit of vitamin D in postmenopausal women, and in trials that used vitamin D(3) plus calcium. In addition, there was a reduction in fall risk with vitamin D when six trials that adequately ascertained falls were combined. Limitations of the fall and fracture trials included poor compliance with vitamin D supplementation, incomplete assessment of vitamin D status and large losses to follow-up. We did not find any systematic reviews that addressed the question on the level of sunlight exposure that is sufficient to maintain serum 25(OH)D concentrations but minimizes risk of melanoma and non-melanoma skin cancer. There is little evidence from existing trials that vitamin D above current reference intakes is harmful. In most trials, reports of hypercalcemia and hypercalciuria were not associated with clinically relevant events. The Women's Health Initiative study did report a small increase in kidney stones in postmenopausal women aged 50 to 79 years whose daily vitamin D(3) intake was 400 IU (the reference intake for 50 to 70 years, and below the reference intake for > 70 years) combined with 1000 mg calcium. The increase in renal stones corresponded to 5.7 events per 10,000 person-years of exposure. The women in this trial had higher calcium intakes than is seen in most post-menopausal women.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    The results highlight the need for additional high quality studies in infants, children, premenopausal women, and diverse racial or ethnic groups. There was fair evidence from studies of an association between circulating 25(OH)D concentrations with some bone health outcomes (established rickets, PTH, falls, BMD). However, the evidence for an association was inconsistent for other outcomes (e.g., BMC in infants and fractures in adults). It was difficult to define specific thresholds of circulating 25(OH)D for optimal bone health due to the imprecision of different 25(OH)D assays. Standard reference preparations are needed so that serum 25(OH)D can be accurately and reliably measured, and validated. In most trials, the effects of vitamin D and calcium could not be separated. Vitamin D(3) (>700 IU/day) with calcium supplementation compared to placebo has a small beneficial effect on BMD, and reduces the risk of fractures and falls although benefit may be confined to specific subgroups. Vitamin D intake above current dietary reference intakes was not reported to be associated with an increased risk of adverse events. However, most trials of higher doses of vitamin D were not adequately designed to assess long-term harms.

    PMID:
    18088161
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