INSOMNIACS place to talk in the wee hours
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More daff's in bloom now and lots of hyacinths. This was about 2 weeks ago. The cherries are in bloom now and are everywhere in my neighborhood.
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This was my front rock garden last summer.
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Beautiful pictures gals...
I am just so worried about my oldest Grandson in Orlando... He has been on Adderal, and everything has come to a head, with him and my Daughter and his Dad and Brother... It really just hurts my heart... it sounds like he is spinning out of control.... They are all going Monday to some Doc who prescribed the pills 5 years ago.... I hope something will help... something can be done...
Please God.... please help them.........If he can just hear my prayers.... I don't know what to do.......... I just have to believe............
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oh, CHEVY, so sorry you are hurting & worrying about your grandson. I know nothing about that med, maybe time to wean off of it. I remember last summer ( ? ) before you went to Florida, you were concerned.
Hugs.....
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Coming at you CHEVY!!!!!
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Thanks guys.... I just want to cry.... for all of them.... Yes HiHo.. I don't know what they can do.... but he has been staying with his Mom and Dad... In Hospital the other night, for passing a kidney stone....
His Brother says he sometimes hallucinates.... Sheri is so afraid... and trying to do the right thing...
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He "says" he doesn't take it anymore, but something is very wrong.......... I just thought if I came HERE, and talked about it, I would feel better....
She is afraid he will "do something"..... because he gets so depressed.... I called him, and left a message, to tell him we were thinking about him.... But don't know if he will call back....
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Chevy, he is with his parents? He is with someone at all times? ALL? Hope he is "Baker Acted"---florida mandatory three day hospital stay. Psych doc determines if admittance to a locked psych unit necessary. Have faith in the system. Hard I know. If all the s/s's that the family knows are made known to the docs, it's important for the psych doc to make a decision. This is not a time for family to hold back info. L&H&P's
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Did he have the bad break-up with girlfriend ? Sounds like he needs a Dr. he can be honest with & get some help. I know that is not easy. Young men put a lot of pressure on themselves.
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Wait ----------revising Hallucinations & depressed? I was going to wipe out the post---------I'm a safety nut. My gut says to stay with the response I wrote.
Chevy, brain chemistry can be helped by medicine, it can also be screwed up by medicine. Particularly, if a med is stopped abruptly. Know that he is not the kid you knew. He is not in control. The safest place is a hospital. Not the time to be polite, based on what you wrote. Get him into the system. Let the system work.
Florida- Baker Act---three day hospital admission that allows for blood test and Psych eval. to determine management
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Chevy, I hope that your family finds the help they need ASAP. He really needs professional assistance to help him and his family get back on the track. I wish you well, and I hope this is resolved quickly for everyone's sake.
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Chevy, I know he was independent of the family. He is staying with his parents from which he was estranged for awhile. To me that is a signal he doesn't feel safe. Kidney stone, been through four bladder stones. No hallucinations or depression associated. Him returning to the parental nest, says allot. Plus, his brothers description. Please, tell Sheri to not leave him alone for a minute until evaluated by doc.
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Chevy, If Mom says he's so depressed she's worried about his safety and brother says he sometimes hallucinates, it might not be that difficult to get him into a psych ward. They would keep him safe and run the physical tests to see what's going on. Sassy is right about the Baker Act. A family can petition for hospitalization. They have just enacted that law here after one too many mentally ill persons were harmed by the police.
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Blood tests that need to be run----B 12, Folate, TSH,. Forget, there is one more. Reason: a deficiency in any of the four can manifest as abnormal psych behavior. Standard psych doc orders. Rule out an organic problem, then work the psych problem.
I mentioned abrupt withdrawal of a drug---may not show(manifest) itself b/c the drug takes time to work out of the system----can be days to weeks.
Have Sheri request that the doc that is seeing DGS that she or Dh is present for the evaluation, or son allows review of all findings for verification with family. Doc will define best approach. He will ask DGS for permission either way. If DGS denies permission--doc can't share anything.
But if permission by DGS is denied, tell Sheri to have a mother to son chat----I love you etc and what the best for you etc. Sons are incredibly linked to their mothers. She will find the words needed as the moment unfolds.
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What is the deal with the adderall
How old is he
What r they worried about
Depression is something that adderall cant controll
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Hello All! Took me forever to be able to sit and relax today. It was go, go, go all day. Tired but happy.
I saw everyone's garden pics--really lovely and fun, each one with it's own flare and style.
Holeinone--I'm a huge fan of those yellow lilies you have. I miss the ones I had at my old place and you are reminding me that I need to bat my brown eyes at my hubby so he'll melt and plant me some new ones. LOL They are called lemon lilies I think? I hope you get your wish and can dig in your dirt soon! What's wrong with your shoulder if that's OK to ask?
Jazzygirl--I like your rock placement in your garden.
Chevyboy--Thanks for more cyber tips. I haven't looked at it all yet, but I will take some time before I sleep tonite. I am anxious to share my pics with everyone, especially now that you all shared your gardens with me. You asked if I'm following Dancing With the Stars. I wish. I don't have television in my house. I live too far off the road for Comcast and can't afford it anyway. But I love that show and it's among the few I would watch if I could. I was a dancer in an amateur ballet company when I was young. I love all things dancing. When I am healed from radiation, hubby and I are going to learn some ballroom. Always wanted to do that. That's quite a collection of statuettes in your garden. My husband used a chainsaw to cut big logs into giant mushrooms to put in our landscaping decor.
Wren--That would be cool if you moved down my direction. We've lived in the Olympia area for 16 years. Love it. My kids thrive in the schools here. Used to live in Woodinville many years back. Nice place, but got tired of traffic ruling my existence. Hubby and I are both serious country hicks. We are happy to be out in the sticks now. Takes 30 minutes to get to the grocery store but it's worth it.
Patty--I don't blame you for wanting a little extra security and protection with you. My mom lives alone. She's 80 years old and keeps a gun handy.
Chevyboy, your comment about liking my talk about the kiddos has brought to mind that I'm curious about everyone's families. I would love to learn about all of you. I have four kids. Ages 20-boy, 16-girl, 14-boy, 11-boy. My oldest is serving a two year mission for my church in Mexico. He wants to be a doctor when he gets home and can go back to school. My daughter is the happiest person on the planet. She has lot of challenges due to her syndrome, but nothing ever gets her down. She is an amazing artist. I can't wait until I overcome my cyber difficulties because I want to share her artwork with everyone. The third kiddo is the brainiac I mentioned. He is a math prodigy and I can't wait to share his skills in origami with you. My youngest is the tenderest sweetie. He would melt your heart and make you laugh with his witty sense of humor too. We do have a lot of fun together here.
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Funny story to share. I am copying this from a letter I wrote to my son. So keep in mind that the perspective in the story is me talking to my son.
(copied from letter)
So I am reminded that your dad never told you a funny story about a game night a while back. I hope I can tell it right, because I can't draw you a diagram or anything. Visual aids kind of help with this, but I'm going to try without. Some time back, I was sick in bed, so your dad did family night with the kids without me. They got out a new game we have that is similar to Pictionary. The four of them made themselves into two teams. Mosiah + Gideon, against Dad +Romina. The idea is that there is a card drawn that gives an item to draw on paper. One person from each team sees the same card. The ones who see the card then have to tell their partner how to draw the item--only the partner doesn't know what they are drawing. They have to guess. The one telling how to draw can only say things like, "make a line", "now draw a circle over it"--things like that. OK, hopefully that will help you as I tell the rest. So Romina and Mosiah are the ones who have to do the telling, while Gideon and Dad have to draw and guess. Romina proceeds to give your dad instructions to draw a series of lines that begin to look roughly like a stick figure person. Then she tells your dad to draw a big triangle over the area of the figure where one's bum would be. Meanwhile, Mosiah is telling Gideon to draw things that start looking like asterixes or stars, and they are in a pattern of sorts. Well, your dad looks at what Romina told him to draw and shouts, "It's a big diaper!!" Romina becomes ecstatic and exclaims that your dad is right and declares them to have won the round. So Gideon sees the HUGE difference between the drawings and says, "Mosiah, the instructions you gave me are completely wrong! What were you thinking?!" Mosiah is now indignant and feeling challenged, so he goes to get the card and says, "Look! It's not supposed to be 'the big diaper'!! It's 'The Big Dipper'!!" Everyone dissolved into fits of giggles. Romina had read the card wrong.0 -
Chevyboy--I was busy writing all those previous posts and hadn't seen what you wrote about your grandson yet. I'm sooooo sorry to hear there is worry and turmoil!! I will add him and you and his family in my prayers day and night. I hope you can find comfort and peace. Wish I could help somehow.
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Chevy your poor Grandson. I hope he gets the help he needs. Sass is so right one of the meds we had my youngest on made her just aggressive and suicidal - once we got her off the one med and on to just the other one- volia different kiddo. Amazing. I felt really bad that we gave her the drug that was causing all the issues, stopping it slowly made a world of difference. But sometimes a trial of various drugs is necessary. We have found psych care for teens to be woefully inadequate here. I am glad they have a 72 hour hold for safety sake. I will be sending up petitions for your Grandson's well being and relief from his fears. Hugs for Grandma too!
Mombiezombie-love the story behind your name and your family sounds like lots of fun. Also loved all the garden pictures.
Nice to see you check in Blondie and Patty- howdies to everyone. nite.
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Hi Blondie, Adderall is an amphetamine. Prescribed right it's a great drug. Prescribed wrong dangerous. Abruptly ceased can be life threatening. ADD and ADHD comes in all degrees. Controversy as gone on for decades as to when to prescribe it. My counselor hasn't given me the formal dx of adhd, but informally he has. He asked if I wanted to go to the formal dx to be able to recommend the medication. I'm retired. Nada. With what I did in nursing ADHD was a benefit. Allowed me to focus on the present problem to the exclusion of all else. How would it have made life different. Dunno. Many times I describe here I get to intense. Chevy and Cami keeps me on the path of normalcy. But retrospectively, I do wonder what life would have been like if I had be dx'd properly versus considered a PITA. But then I couldn't of changed the world in a couple of areas. Diverging LOL.Adderall is given in too many situations where it's to control behavior. Statistically it's used in males. The controversy is males develop later than females regarding what is perceived as acceptable behaviors. Huge controversy in the school system. A child doesn't fit the norm, medicate them. The system doing this is only a few decades old. In the space of all time----it's a blink of the eye.
The outcome of several decades of medicating children is coming to fruition. Did it work? Are they damaged by it?
I know your question arises because of the twins. Yeah, you have a right to ask.
this is a link to the adderal drug
http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?setid=24af5ced-ed01-4188-95f0-b6b8e4f70aab
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Off in a cloud.
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OK, I don't quite know what I did, but I'll figure it out later. Remember the "anniversary tree" that I was excited to find that it will survive being transplanted to our new property? Well, this is the tree--the little oriental maple in the center. This is a piece of our yard at our old place last summer. I'll see if I can post more.
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Yay! I posted another pic! OK, I got this now. I can't use the picture icon. I have to drag it from my photo file directly to the typing window.
This is a sample of my daughter's doodling.
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Shows fuzzy here, but this is another of her art pieces. If you gals are interested I can post one of her things that has color.
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This is one of my son's origami folds. This dragon is folded from a single piece of paper--no tearing or cutting or taping is done to this. The dragon is around six or seven inches tall when finished. This was his first attempt. The one's he makes now have more precision.
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Morning gals! First.... THANK YOU SO MUCH.... !!! You all are the best.... I just sent Sheri an email, with a lot of the informtion from this thread... I copied and pasted what you gals had to say......... Just mentioned Sass's name, because she knows her.... But maybe with the links, and your thoughts, they won't be afraid to get him some help NOW.
You are so right HiHo...You remembered! Yes, this has been going on for probably maybe for a year! Off and On.... Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde.... It was tense while we were there in September, but when we were with HIM, it was just great! Everything seemed normal.... Just that he was "hyper"... And not inter-acting with his family like he used to.
I just wanted to take him home with us... and take care of him like we did when he was growing up.....
Blondie... he just turned 29! And has been really outgoing and successful with his medical instrument business, with his Brother who is 26... But since taking Adderal for whatever, and then quitting, ( he says) he is a different guy...
Also he and his girl-friend bought this home together... but for whatever reasons, SHE moved out, and he is giving her his half of the mortgage... And THAT is causing problems... She wants her money NOW.... They work together, but can't live together.... Yes... a lot of stress, and then trying to start up their new business.... Too many things going on at once.
I'm not so sure he isn't on anything else... but that would even be worse..... I just want it to be out of their hands, and into the professional hands that can help him...
He told his Mom, "you won't have me committed will you?" And she started crying.... so he is with them for now ..... I'm just praying for help for all of them....
Thanks so much .... love you all.... xoxoxo
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Chevy- just reading about your GS here this morning.and hoping everything the gals shared here will help. I don't know anything about this, but wanted to send you a big cyberhug and hope everything gets better.
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Chevy. - sending up prayers for your entire family including you. Sending you a giant hug. ((( hug))). Keep us informed please.
Mombiezombie - nice anniversary tree. Wow you have some amazing , talented kids. I also like to hear more about our families. I just feel so much more connected. Keep sharing.
Jazzy - love the rock garden.
SAS / we love you just as you are. Glad they didn't change you. :-).
Maddy - hugs and love
Blondie , rosevalley , blessing and everyone else I missed : hello.
Feeling a little stronger today. Got to hurry up with this strength building ds1 is having a huge bday party / sleepover tomorrow night.
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