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Sportsmom, you are not alone with the depression. I was on Lexapro for seven months. I too wondered about Tamoxifen interaction, but haven't found evidence of any. I decided to wean off when the Spring came, and certainly had lasting side effects which led to more anxiety? I seem mostly in the clear now. I have five more treatments of Herceptin and felt a resurgence of dark feelings over the past week. I attribute this to a few things including getting off the meds, it being one year almost since diagnosis, to the constant reminders of what I have been through, and a dash of PTSD. We have gone through so much in a year, and there is a point where the whole crap storm catches up. I joined a bc dragon boat team and it's so great for various reasons. Make sure you are connecting with friends, getting out there, exercising. You are not alone!!!
On the topic of diet, I cut down on alcohol, cut down on red meat and generally eat better. Do I allow myself treats? Yup. I turn my head to increased activity and do Pilates now twice a week, dragon boat twice a week, and will hit the gym for weight lifting with my husband. I am comfortable with these decisions. Currently, I am trying to focus on anything that pays into my mental health, as it took a massive hit...we all know that. I won't personally monitor every small thing I eat, as for me personally, that will not positively affect my mental health bank. I guess we all need to find our own personal line there.
I should also mention that I started a local FB group for women with bc and there are 25 now. This has been so good for all of us... this coming week a few of us are running a fundraiser for our local cancer support agency. It's much like this group, but due to the local nature of the group, we can talk about doctors and programs we all know about and connect personally too.
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I am stubborn, I refuse to give up my occasional beer. Seriously... and Red meat, hell no! I love my steak, I could not live on what they dictate. I know they mean well but just does not work well in my life.
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Hapb do we really know the science? I've been around a long time and it keeps changing
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Shelabela...i talked to my OB/GYN and my MO about ooph versus ovarian suppression. (I was 40 at diagnosis, 42 now). My OB was insistent that I keep my ovaries, he said they offer a lot of others health benefits. So I take Lupron, 1x every three months. I had migraines the first two times I took it, but I adjusted with no real side effects. My MO didn't want any estrogen floating in my body period.
Sportsmom...i recently tried effexor to manage my depression and it was awful. I now have a meeting with my MO to discuss an AI as I really need an antidepressant. On Tamox, effexor is the only choice.
Hugs to all,
Pamela
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Hi Pamela, it is my understanding that escitalopram is also ok when you're in treatment (anti depressants). So I would ask about that.
I attended a nutrition program at the hospital with other bc ladies and their stance is that you want a good, healthy, balanced plate of food. Washed well. They of course support lots of veggies and fruit, but their central concern with diet seems to be weight control. So I believe there are varying opinions about what the "best" diet should beonce a person has had cancer. Here in our region, the focus is on fresh and clean and balanced. So I'm trying to be good
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hi all,
just finished last TCHP.praise God! i did not think i could do it. by cycle 3 i was ready to quit.febrile neutropenia , cyle 1; hospital due to reflux and delayed gastric emtying ( almost passed out due to pain, morphine did not work; boils on butt cycles 2,3 and 4! so i was on antibiotic for 4 times including febrile neutropeia and the usual SEs, fatigue,D,nausea,peripheral neuropathy minimal. i did take l glutamine in the beginning but when my reflux and delayed gastric emptying got worst, i could not tolerate it anymore. i have 2 bottles, pm me if you want it and i will mail it to you. i even tried eating Gerber food ( anything for calories)for babies and putting sugar in my water as per my dietitian ( i know sugar is supposed to feed cancer cell but i need sugar also)... surgery july 14, 6 weeks PFC. thanks for this board for all the advise. i am on anti anxiety and sleeping pills.my GP said no need for referral for psychiatry yet. it wouldn't have been so bad had it not been for the reflux and delayed gastric emptying. they had to do an endoscopy by cycle 4..again thank you all and i will now prepare my body for the BMX and recon.it is neverending..lump not palpable anymore but pathology will have final say.first herceptin alone on june 23, and if you are familiar with my insurance issues, looks like we have to fight for the last 11 herceptin.enjoy the weekend y'all!
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thanks HapB. if you are gonna get taxol,i heard its the gentle cousin of taxotere so its more manageable i think... God bless
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Yay, kae!
I remember thinking that I'd NEVER get surgery. Ugh. Hope yours goes well and that your pathology shows that chemo worked!
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thanks Elaine Therese
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Hi all, I am starting on Femara soon and am hoping to hear what people have experienced in side effects
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"Delayed gastric emptying". I think I had that during chemo but didn't know what it was called. I would eat a little bit of food and would feel so full that I couldn't eat any more. It was a very uncomfortable feeling. And I had terrible reflux.
Kae: so sorry you had to suffer through all that. I was pretty miserable with those symptoms, but not nearly bad enough to be hospitalized.
Herceptin only infusions have been OK. I still have a drippy nose, but I don't know if that's from the Herceptin or from allergies.
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thanks tresjoli2,
I will keep that info up front with that med.
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Bella'sMomToo,herceptin causes rhinitis. i learned that from chemo class.
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kae, you have my admiration and sympathy for holding the course and finishing all six. I couldn't do it, landing in the hospital after the first one and then switching to AC plus TH. (So I have at least a bit of an idea of the kind of hell you experienced.) TCHP IS hell, at least for some of us. You'll find the rest of it a picnic after that. Wishing you gentle healing
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Poseygirl,
I'm on Aromasin, not Femara. I've been on it for over two years now, and the side effects have been mild: hot flashes and I feel a little creaky. KB870 is right that there's an entire thread devoted to Femara. I believe that Special K is on Femara; maybe she will chime in.
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I'm 40 and I was doing Lupron with AI. I was really having no symptoms of menopause and talked to my Dr about whether to keep ovaries. I went to three opinions and all agreed (mo, surgeon and ob) that I would be on ovary suppression for at least 10 years and goal was to sit then down, so the "benefits" of keeping ovaries were minimal since the goal is to turn them off permanently. I also know from previous tests that I have very high estrogen levels. I had mine removed and went through hot flashes, etc immediately (though it really wasn't bad.) Both drs thought this meant the Lupron probably wasn't as effective in my case. So I'm glad to have them out.
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Queasy this morning ladies, I knew I had to eat, so I went with toast. I'm hungry but nothing tastes good to me. Nothing except peanut butter toast. I love sweet iced tea, it is my love (ha ha), it tastes like crap now. CRAP I tell ya!
Yesterday I had 1/2 ham salad sandwich and an instant mac n cheese, I know I need healthy foods. I did drink plenty of water though.
What are your go to foods that actually tasted good to you and was healthy? Salad with zesty Italian dressing tastes horrible, ranch tastes bland. Salty foods don't taste salty. Water tastes like spit. Ladies, I need to eat! Tips please!
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moodyblues,
I forget what chemo regimen you're on, but if you suck on ice chips during chemo, you may be able to avoid the damage to your taste buds. During chemo, I ate a lot of bland foods, like scrambled eggs, chicken, chicken soup, cream of mushroom soup, etc.. Yes, water tasted awful. I ended up drinking a lot of light lemonade and the like. It was trial and error. Hope you find something soon!
((Hugs))
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Elaine. TCH. Thanks, I will try the ice chips next time. I am surprised that in just one day how nothing tasted great or even good..... I will try some of the ham and bean and potato soup I made Thursday although, it doesn't even look appealing right now.
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Moodyblues,
I just ate small amounts of whatever my DH cooked.
I keep homemade pimento cheese, chicken, fresh fruit, and chopped salad ingredients in the refrig. I found having everything ready to go made healthy choices easier. I had lots of nuts and gluten free chips in the pantry.
Typically, when I make a crock pot dish we eat one meal from it and the rest I freeze in individual servings. That helped too because we were not cooking big meals and trying to eat on the leftovers.
When I was really queasy, my DH made me a Banquet double crusted chicken pot pie just like my Momma use to ... ever so slightly over cooked top crust!
You have got this! As for that sweet tea ... think of all the sugar you are avoiding!
Have you tried the Elvis version of a peanut butter sandwhich with a banana?
Best wishes and hugs.
Coach Vicky
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Coachvicky. Thanks for your tips. I try a variety of foods (just a taste) and am amazed how bland it all is. Mmmm a pot pie with a nice brown top sounds good!
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Moodyblues ... it was more slighly burnt. LOL But it is the way I like them! Brings back fond memories and comfort.
I make a really great ranch dressing. Every time I looked at the jar I got sick. Trashed the last batch I made when I started chemo. It has only been in the last couple of weeks I can eat it again. Go figure.
C Vicky
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Coachvicky. Almost burnt is what I go for too, my toast, choc chip cookies and potpie.
My husband brought home a plate of squash, mac n cheese and chicken for me. OMG soo good. Finally something tasty!
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Moodyblues, for me it was cottage cheese that I was able to stomach. And potato dumplings.
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HapB - I did 8 weeks of Taxol and herceptin and now just herceptin. I was scheduled for 12 but had very painful neuropathy and my MO felt that the extra 4 wouldn't give me much added benefit. It seems to me that many don't finish the full course of Taxol or start getting reduced dosages. but I haven't read a good explanation about why number of treatments get reduced other than patient intolerance. My MO seemed almost flippant about my stopping although I struggled with it. Even though I am over 70, I wanted to do everything I could to get ahead of this disease. As to other SEs, what I initially thought was nausea really probably was some gastric reflux as it cleared up quickly with nexium. I lost my hair everywhere. Lots of insomnia the first night or two from the steroids. Constipation is a problem for many of us. I really learned to be certain I was "cleaned out" before each infusion or I was miserable on day two or three.
Before Taxol I got steroids, anti-nausea meds, antibiotics, benadryl. Took 40 minutes to do that before the weekly hour Taxol. Herceptin took 30 minutes. When I went to Herceptin every 3 weeks they took 90 minutes to do the first infusion and decreased it by 30 minutes each time. I am now in and out in about an hour, depending if I am scheduled to see MO that visit. I haven't been able to specifically identify any SE from the herceptin. There is a weekly Taxol thread here if you haven't found it. You might also want to look for a group that says something like "starting chemo June 2017. My Feb. group has gotten very close. Someone smarter than me set up a private Facebook group which I love as I am a regular Facebook user. I chat with them more regularly than I do the folks on the BC site. We have shared some wonderful pictures that way.
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HapB, I am 65, and just had 7th Taxol with Herceptin. My early and most difficult SE was swelling of legs and feet a few days after infusion, but that was probably due to steroids. My dr reduced the doseage of Taxol and steroids and gave me a week off between third and fourth treatment. It's been quite tolerable since then. I've learned how to handle the swelling with diet, too. Other SE is loss of sleep the first two nights, but I've learned to deal with that using marijuana edibles. Later in the week brings joint pain, especially noticeable in the wee hours of the morning. Vaping marijuana helps that, too. I hated the Benadryl given with infusion, so have declined that, taking a Claritin instead. Much better. I ice fingers and feet during infusions and so far, so good. No discoloration or lifting of nails and no pain. I take a prescription B vitamin complex that's supposedly helping with that. I lost hair during AC but it started to grow again immediately and has continued to grow during Taxol. I'm mentally prepared in case I lose it again, but it feels strong and healthy. I encourage you to keep active, exercise as much as possible, eat well through Taxol, if you can. Of the three chemo regimens I have experienced (TCHP, AC, TH), it has been the easiest by far. Of course, everyone is different. I just want you to hear something other than a horror story.
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I haven't posted a whole lot lately. I had my 3rd AC treatment and I hate this. I am so tired, it takes everything I have to even eat.
So far this week I don't have mouth sores, thankfully. Those sucked.
Hope everyone is having a good weekend
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HapB I am 73, 71 at dx and I never considered not doing chemo. Luckily I was offered the ATEMPT trial and randomized to tdm1. But I still had infusions every 3 weeks and flew from Fl to Hopkins for my treatments.
Her2 is nothing to fool around with
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HapB, yes, I did 12 week Taxol/Herceptin and then just Herceptin for the rest of the year.
It has been over two years since I finished Taxol, so the bad memories somewhat faded. For me the worst was nausea. For some reason Zofran did not work on me and my insurance would not approve any other anti-nausea meds (may they get what's coming to them for allowing me suffer for months due to their greed).
I do remember that the side effects had a cumulative nature. The first 2-3 weeks I was feeling well and I thought that this chemo wasn't so horrible. But with time the side effects got stronger, and like I said - the worst was nausea. I never threw up, but the nausea lingered for weeks after I was done with Taxol. I also had some diarrhea, sometimes constipation, but it wasn't overwhelming.
I did cold capping and was able to save the hair on my head. My eyelashes and eyebrows did fall out, but not until after I was done with chemo. I am still fluctuating with my eyelashes thinning every few weeks and rebounding, etc.
My fingernails survived quite well. They were brittle, but I didn't lose any of them. My big toenail lifted halfway and was discolored for a while, but never fell off either.
I believe with Taxanes (Taxol, Taxotere) neuropathy is a big concern. My MO said that some people thought that L-Glutamine and Vitamin B6 might prevent neuropathy, although there was no proof that it worked. He was OK with me taking them and so I was taking them religiously throughout chemo and for few weeks after chemo ended. L-Glutamine powder had a disgusting taste to me and was expensive, but I don't have any neuropathy now. Part of my left foot got numb at the very end of my chemo and it took about a year for the numbness to slowly go away, but today my feet and hands are perfectly fine.
I was told that hydration was very important, so I forced myself to drink a lot of water. It tasted horrible as the other ladies mentioned. I couldn't find anything else that I could drink in large amounts and that would taste better.
Also, I was told that exercise was important in order to tolerate chemo better. I hate exercise, it bores me to tears, but I forced myself to walk at least 30 minutes every day.
I had some fatigue, I still often feel it. At this point, I probably cannot blame chemo anymore and maybe should chalk it up to Tamoxifen? Or maybe it's just a part of aging. Sigh.
I did well with Herceptin, had a little runny nose, few aches and pains (again, maybe Tamoxifen or aging), my heart did fine throughout the whole year.
All in all, my MO said that I did fabulously well with my chemo. I'm glad I did go through with it; this way I know that I used all the weapons that modern medicine was offering me to fight my BC. Well, at least all the weapons that greedy health insurance company would approve.
Keep in mind that Taxol is one of the "easiest" chemo regimens to go through and chances are you'll do well. Statistics are on your side.
Try to find the thread for all the ladies who start chemo same month that you do - excellent advice from Taco1946. I was a member of March 2015 group and it was a great "place" to talk to others who went through chemo at the same time. We commiserated, compared symptoms, lifted each other up. If nobody started the June 2017 group yet, you can be the founder. :-)
Good luck and best wishes.
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HapB, I'm sorry you are having tough time with deciding. What is your MO saying? How much do you trust him/her?
I have a high blood pressure too; although, mine was diagnosed a couple of months after my cancer diagnosis.
My MO said right away that due to Her2+ and the fact that I had multiple tumors (even though they were all tiny) he recommended chemo. Luckily, I trusted him completely and never thought to question his recommendation so I didn't have an additional anxiety of having to make a choice.
My husband happens to be a physician and I learned a long time ago that most of the time the doctors knew what they were talking about and that Dr. Google gave me way more anxiety than I could tolerate. If I read up on too many opinions, I tend to suffer from "analysis paralysis".
One more thing to keep in mind - people most of the time write about horror stories, and not about how easy their treatment was, so this is somewhat skewed. I don't think we can find a true representation of how well or badly people are doing with various treatments.
Have you checked out the weekly Taxol group? https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topics/788735?page=252#post_4980133
Hugs and best wishes.
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