TRIPLE POSITIVE GROUP
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ashla - yay!
nunci - as one who had a complete hyst/ooph at the age of 45, developed osteopenia, saw my cholesterol go from 150 to 260, and got breast cancer anyway, I would recommend that you seriously consider whether such a drastic surgery at your young age is appropriate.
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Thank you girls for all of the insight!! I appreciate it greatly. I'm just as shocked about being told I should have a hysterectomy. I will get some more opinions before making such a drastic decision. Oh! And I did have the BRCA test and tested negative!! Even more reason to keep my ovaries!
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Nunci,
Concur with the others. Your doctors certainly know more than we do about your case but it does seem like overkill with the hysterectomy. Definitely, definitely get other opinions.
Thanks for all the good wishes. It is important to hear the good news too!
Kathec,
The count for NED starts @ surgery. I think the "assumption " is that surgery removes all evident signs of cancer. The rest of the treatments are for stray cells. I believe that is pro forma. Yes I did neo adjuvant chemo.
NED is when there are no obvious, evident, scannable, palpable, X-ray able etc. signs of cancer. Of course we never know for sure.
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Hello all,
It seems that tamoxifen will be the drug I shall be given. Onc asked a lot of questions about family history of ovarian or uterine cancer and blood clots. Prior to prescribing my Onc has ordered a pelvic and vag US and asked me to see my gyn.( in 5/2013 I had those tests and an endometrial biopsy because of adenomyosis also known as endometriosis inside the uterus, all results negative) I am not due for a pap till 5/26 and found out INS wont pay for the test/visit until 1 year after last one. My recon diep is scheduled for 5/21 so I don't see myself going to gyn until june/july sometime. I have also heard tamoxifen should be stopped a few weeks before surgery. I haven't had a chance to ask PS, and I don't see Onc for 4 more weeks.
How long after chemo did you all start the drug to block ER ? Those on Tamoxifen did you stop it prior to any surgery? Any thoughts ?
Thanks
Vivian
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Whether to stop Tamoxifen depends on the surgeon and how involved the surgery is - I would put a call into your PS. With it being a DIEP and the chance for clotting, I would suspect they will tell you to stop Tamox a week or two prior and not resume until a week or two post, but you will need to get advisement from your surgeon for your particular case.
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Vivian,
I started anastrozole one month after I finished rads which was 5 months PFC .
My first MO wanted to wait till I finished herceptin!
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Nunci, i concur with the others. I guess one other question I have is if you have any family history of bc? i see that you tested negative on the brca test (good), but maybe there is some other reason you are being recommended such an aggressive approach?
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Ashla Congratulations! Soon you'll be 3.5+ like me!
naiviv my onc wanted me to wait 1 month post chemo. If I had rads I would have waited till that ended. I did wait 5 weeks so I could start March 1st... so I now will remember the day I will stop.
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Have you guys checked out this article posted in the community.breastcancer.org/forum/78/topic/802153 thread.
Some Breast Cancers Require Longer Tx
Breast cancers with high-level estrogen sensitivity had a significantly
greater risk of late recurrence, possibly indicating a need for more
than 5 years of adjuvant hormonal therapy, British investigators
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thanks for the link Lago but these articles confuse me a bit lol. Reading this is appears that those that would be helped with the additional 5 years of hormonal therarpy are her2- and highly er+? Is the study assuming that the her2+ who were also er+ had more that 5 years or is it the use of herceptin? Or what did you get out of this study? Thanks
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Hi, Londa 505,
from the same investigation:
In contrast, women with HER2-positive, highly estrogen-sensitive tumors did not have an increased risk of recurrence beyond 5 years, as reported at the European Breast Cancer Conference (EBCC) in Glasgow, Scotland.
Best,
Usha
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linda505 This is my interpretation but I'm no scientist. Yes it does say the risk for us triple positives, highly hormone positive risk is more in the first 5 years... but most of us in this group are grade 3, fast growing. Chances are most of us reoccurred early. Those with slowing growing cancers tend to recur at a later date from what I have read. So the study isn't really telling me anything that new, just confirming what some other studies have said.
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Thanks Lago and slousha - I was trying to see if this article gave us Triple positives any reason to continue on hormone therapy after 5 years - but didn't really get that from the article and wondered if anyone else did. I already consider that I had my reoccurrence - LOL - in the two weeks after I found my first one in the left breast. I know that is not the case LOL - but If I think about it that way I think I already had my double bad luck - so I am good.
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let's talk to our doctors about bisphosphonates. Look @ the comments!
New Data Linking Bisphosphonates and Atrial Fib: Should FDA Revisit?
Marlene Busko
March 20, 2014
BROOKLYN, NY — Authors of a new analysis say the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) should consider revisiting its investigation of the atrial-fibrillation (AF) risk with certain osteoporosis drugs, in the wake of new studiesheartwire . And this meta-analysis suggests that they should be continued as a first-line therapy for osteoporosis and osteopenia, "but we should be very careful in selecting our patients." In particular, patients at high risk for AF—those who are older or have a history of cardiac events—should be closely monitored.
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naivi-I had a vaginal ultrasound before starting Tamox. I wasn't due for a pap for 6 months and he didn't do one of those, just the ultrasound. No problem with coverage.
Nunci-we have similar diagnosis. I'm a lot older though, lol. At diagnosis, I was lobbying for the whole surgery thing. On the hysterectomy front, I got nowhere. Every single doc, including my OB/GYN said no way, not necessary. So I didn't have one and am now glad. Since I take tamoxifen, the ob/gyn does a via final ultrasound every six months to monitor. On the mastectomy front, I chose one because I thought the stress of monitoring my breasts for recurrence every six months was more than I wanted to deal with. had I been your age, I am not sure what I would have done.
I interviewed two breast specialists and three oncologists so like everyone else said, get another opinion so that you can weigh your options and decided carefully what works best for you.
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Congrats Ashla, Love hearing that.
Hi everyone.
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Thank you Camille.... Trying my best to fill every moment & relationship with value & meaning as I should have done before.
Hard to remember that some days.
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Well I got a Second Opinion so @ 33 all I can do is get a hysterectomy he thought it was a good choice since I am in Stage3& Estrogen Positive!! Yea Well:( I hope it works out I just wish I knew what to do ughh! April 7th is my hystectomy day! I got 6 more days left of Radiation & I am Burnt & my skin underarm is Raw &opened:( I cannot wait until this is over with! I also met a lady down there who was also 32 who got breast cancer & was Stage 1 with no cancer cells in her lymph& is now Stage 4 getting radiation & she told me today she has a brain tumor also from it! Im was wondering if it went anywhere else then, I will see her I hope tomorrow:( Well have a good day!
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goutlaw, that's just awful about that other woman.
in terms of you, if I recall, you had a pet scan and/or a ct scan, didn't you? I thought you had some kind of scans that would show mets, and they came out clear. So that should set your mind at ease a bit.
in terms of the ooph, do you need a hysterectomy as well as an ooph? Might be a good idea to keep your uterus if you can. I'm still not clear as to why they would say remove your ovaries rather than giving you Lupron shots or something. the only thing I would say is there are a lot of down sides to an ooph and I hope you are clear as to why that is being recommended for you. I wish you luck, whichever route you go.
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Go outlaw, I am so sorry about the other person. I used to follow the thread about stage 1 to stage IV and had to quit as it was making me paranoid. It is also why I continually want tests run for as much confirmation that things are ok as possible.
Somebody on here, Rozem, I think, has a great protocal for taking care of the radiated skin. I didn't have radiation, so not sure where it is located. Anyone have it? I hope you feel better and good luck with your decisions.
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fluff, that sounds wise. I guess I always assume that those who are early stage and have distant recurrences in the first few years, weren't really early stage to begin with. Do you know if that is true?
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Hi Triple D'ers,
Got my final pathology - both tumors were about 1.3 CM - one Triple + both highly ER/PR + over 90 percent. Lymph nodes were negative - took two on each side. Meet with my oncologist on April 4th to get my plan - basically know what it will be but need the schedule. Thanks so much everyone for all the help so far - and I will be needing it in the future - you all are rock stars!!
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I had my base line dexa this morning. They only scanned my left hip and my spine. The tech said that is all the protocol calls for. Is that all everyone else had done too? I thought it was a full body bone density scan.
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Mine was whole spine and hips
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loved your "wish I'd known" post - so very true. This whole experience has been laced with so much pressure - followed by the "it's your decision" underscored with ( if you don't mind risking your life I guess we don't)
anyhow - through my 9th cycle of Herceptin - into my second week of Rads - Mastectomy last July - Holy Crap expander & reconstruction/reduction February 10th - finished 6 cycles chemo/herceptin in January.
feeling like some of my supporters have lost their initial interest in this "warrior" and/or are just tired of my talking about it all the time
can't say I blame them, I'm tired tooanyone found anything new for dealing with nueropathy? developed it in my feet at the end of chemo & it's putting a cramp in my shopping...seriously it's quite painful. I have actually found using the aloe/lidocaine ointment for sunburns is soothing as opposed to some of the ointments that seem to increase the "burn".I am also thinking of trying acupuncture...I am open to suggestions
wishing you all find the strength & courage you need to face the "cure"
~~Sue
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Bren58 I get hip, spine and neck but I have been told that the spine is the most accurate reading
Yay linda505. No nodes is a good thing
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Question re: the dexa scans--I thought we were supposed to get one every year if we are on Arimidex. I've been on Arimidex for 4 years now. I think its been 2 years since I had my earlier scan. Thanks for any info on this.
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Cowgirl it's every 2 years for me. Insurance rules on that one. The theory is the changes in bone density take a long time to show themselves. Yeah. Well. Mine numbers were 2x as bad the second time I had one right after chemo.
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Thanks, Moonflower!
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Thanks for the info on the dexa scans. I don't know where I got the idea it was a full body bone density scan.
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