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  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Posts: 1,304

    lago, I have a friend that switched from nastyzole to femara and her pain totally disappeared. I've been on all three the exemestane is slightly better, but still struggle with pain, fogginess, depression. Not willing to try tamoxifen or stop taking it, so trying to live with it. 

    I've tried 5 or 6 different antidepressants since this started, they were also supposed to help with pain, neuropathy, hot flashes. All the did was make me more tired and fuzzy headed, messed my sleep up more, constipated me, gave me headaches, gave me eiuch dry mouth that i would wake up choking because I couldn't swallow, and were no help with the depression. Plus they were a bitch to get off of, especially the effexor and cymbalta! I'm weaning off of the last one I plan on taking now! Antidepressants and I don't mix well at all!

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Posts: 1,304

    and my MO wants me on the AI foir 10 years!!!? 3 1/2 down only 6 1/2 to go! 🙌

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    Special, replace the TE line with this. "This implant will stay with me" then the last line repeat 3 times.  And it sure can't hurt! 

    I am on Arimidex - it will be 2 years in August. Joint aches back aches. No depression but one of the pills I take for IBS is actually an antidepressant.  LOL just counting the days to my TKR. Maybe less joint aches! At least the one leg..... LOL

    Much love. 

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    Thanks for the info Lago - I haven't had a bone density test yet.  I was due to have one this year before my yearly gyno examine this Oct.  I have asked when I will get one - my MO says just before they start the AI - so I am thinking at the end of my chemo.  I was in menopause about 5 years before BC but took HRT for 18 months of that - so I am curious as to my density now.  I had hot flashes constantly for 3 1/2 years before I finally had a breakdown as I could not sleep through them and tried the HRT - it helped alot but I am sure contributed to my BC - or maybe it just made it so I discovered it and saved my life?  I am gonna look at it that way!!

    I am having horrible flashes/sweats again now - restarted about 1 week after I removed my HRT patch.  The last two nights I have woken up so drenched that I had to change pjs, sheets and pillow twice during the night.  I am so wet that it feels as if someone dumped a pitcher of water over me.   My MO gave me effexor when we first meet to try to alleviate them - I cannot take it - makes me feel horrible although it did seem to reduce the intensity.  I am not a good drug user - never have been - well maybe a little wacky tabacky in the 70's LOL.

    I am disappointed - I asked to have my Vit D tested in my next rounds of blood tests with my MO and he says I need my GP to order that as it is too difficult to justify coming from the cancer center with the insurance company.  So that means another 2 copays for me - one for the GP and one for the blood work, if they could do it there I would save 60 dollars - some things just don't make sense to me in all this.

    Mouth just a little tingly - no sores or rawness yet - but I am being persistant with the biotene and mouthwash - had tingly fingers and toes last night and this am - just slightly - but my sugar is also high for me so that may be the cause of that.   Please someone tell me again the supplements that I should take for neuropathy need to ask them today about those.

    Thanks all

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    LindaKR  I'm not on board with taking anti depressants. If the med is causing me to be depressed we know what is causing the problem. Any drug that says "may cause drowsiness" usually puts me to sleep. So while I may not have the sleep issue on it I am not interested in walking around in a haze. 10 years but I can understand why. Large tumor with nodes and I have read that some folks that are more likely to recur years out have a lower grade. Granted I think they were talking grade 1 but being grade 2 maybe there is a concern.

    Moon I once tried the anti-depressant for IBS. It's such a low dose that it won't effect your mind. It didn't work for me. I am pretty under control there though. I do it with diet. My issue is high animal fats mostly in meat (including skin on poultry) and high fat cheeses like cheddar (goat/feta seem OK). I am also finding that nut products bloat me so I keep those to a minimum. Sticks cause I love peanut butter. But we'll see. This is a new experiment that I have been trying. Staying off the nuts.

    linda505 I took Acetyl-L-Carnitine but I've been reading that you should not take that. The studies showed it made the neuropathy worse, granted they were taking megadoses. at the bottom of this article it mentions a few things you might try: linky I have heard good things about the "B" vitamins they mention in the article

  • eileenohio
    eileenohio Posts: 268

    Good morning ladies.  I have another dumb question.  My underarm has been numb since my lumpectomy and lymph node dissection 2 1/2 yrs ago.  I could not even feel the deodorant spray. Suddenly all the feeling under my arm has returned. Is this a good thing?

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    moon - are they planning to do one knee at a time - or just this one and see how it goes?  My MIL had it a few years ago when she was in her 70's and did great with it.  DH was a marathon runner for many years and had an arthro surgery in '07 after a lot of fluid, swelling, and a Baker's cyst.  They expected to find torn cartilage but did not - they found extensive arthritis.  They sanded down the joint but told him to stop running distance because the only other available surgery for him if he has issues again is a TKR.  It took about three months of this diet but I no longer have aching in my knees anymore on Femara.  It was bad enough on Arimidex that they gave me a cortisone injection in my right knee about a year ago.

    linda - with my MO's permission I took 30g of L-Glutamine (10g 3xdaily - 1t.) dissolved in a drink, a B-6 capsule, and 1500mg of Acetyl L-Carnitine.  I had finger, bottoms of feet, and tongue tingling that resolved prior to the next infusion until closer to the end, then it did not go away on the feet for about three months.  It didn't really bother me, just felt weird, especially in certain shoes.  I have no problems with it now.  You might want to try wicking pajamas, and one of those cool towels - I have one by RealTowel called Extreme Cooling Towel.  Also, even though we are I the AC here in FL, I found a fan next to the bed helpful.  I had a hyst/ooph about 14 years ago, had miserable hot flashes ever since - even on HRT.  Interestingly on this brand of Femara, which I have not been taking that long, they are diminished. On the other brand of Femara I took first and on Arimidex there was no difference.  Now instead of one an hour, I get a few a day, so maybe yours will slack off when you go on the AI after chemo.  My MO does VIT D testing and my insurance covers it no problem.  He includes it with a number of others tests, so maybe it blends in and is not as noticeable as a stand alone lab - he does CA27/29, CBC, CMP, CEA, Vit D all at the same time.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Eileenohio that's a good thing. It means the nerves are repairing. Lucky you. I got most of my arm feeling back but I have 2 dead spots in each arm pit.

    SpecialK I don't know if I would recommend the Acetyl-L-Carnitine anymore. While I think it did help me and I was only taking 500mg the study where they were taking mega-doses proved to increase the issue. When we took it the study was just starting.

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    lago - did you discontinue it, or are you still taking it?  I remember tonlee saying that she talked to someone, a trainer maybe?, who told her that the body can only absorb about 500mg of it anyway.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    SpecialK Yes I did take it and found that my fingers and right food never got tingly again but my left heel is to this day numb. Not as bad as on chemo and some days it's a bit more annoying. I know my feet can get sore when walking long periods (like hours) but that could be from anastozole, post chemopause etc. I haven't been on along walk since I've been of anastozole (1.5 weeks so far). So what I don't know is if it would have resolve if I didn't take it.

    And why would a study mega-dose if the MDs knew that the body wouldn't absorb most of it?

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    lago - I just looked at this on Livestrong.  Looks like the doses vary according to the disease or need.  Look at the dose for diabetic nerve damage (neuropathy)!!!  An earlier part of that piece mentioned that you only absorb 63-75% of what is available in food content, and only 14-20% of what is available in an oral supplement, so maybe that is why the large doses - you need that large a dose to get what you need.

    Doses for Specific Conditions

    If your doctor prescribes L-carnitine for a carnitine deficiency, he will determine both the dosage and the form of the nutrient you receive. Nonprescription dosages in these circumstances can range anywhere from 500 to 2,500 mg per day. Your doctor may also recommend L-carnitine supplements to help treat specific physical ailments, the University of Maryland Medical Center reports. For example, people with heart disease may take anywhere from 600 to 1,200 mg twice a day. People with diabetic nerve damage may take 3,000 mg per day. People with chronic fatigue syndrome may take anywhere from 500 to 1,000 mg of L-carnitine three or four times a day. People with chest pain or heart failure may take anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000 mg a day.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    L-carnitine and Acetyl-L-Carnitine are not the same thing and work differently.

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    hi all

    Nausea seems to have passed but still feeling light headed. I threw up twice yesterday hubby was great!  Put cold compresses on my head. Couldn't even watch my ny rangers win. Lied on the couch and covered my hair with the blanket. Atleast I heard the win!!

    My mouth is starting to get dry now and feeling a bit woozy. Time to pick up my guitar!!!!  I have a few songs that I have started to work on and want to put a dc together about this journey that were all on

    I'm also going to be tested for a mutated BRCA gene. My 91 year old mother remembers having cancer "down there" and had a hysterectomy in her 70s. She's so cute!  You mention sex and she covers her face!!  Lol. She also confirmed that we are descendants of Ashkenazi Jews and that my aunt had breast cancer in her 80s. My appt is scheduled for May 20

    I keep drinking water and sipping in ginger ale. Funny that the thought if celery makes me want to gag

    I had Rice Krispies with bran buds with 2 small slices of all grain toast for breakfast with a banana and a small glass of low acid apple juice. Now what?  I just can't eat veggies!!  Maybe some carrots. 

    No one ever told me to take any allergy meds before neulasta so I have nothing. I'll just have to see how it goes

    :-)

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    The article uses them interchangeably, but they are two forms of the same amino acid.  L-Carnitine is used more often for fitness and weight loss, Acetyl L-Carnitine, is L-Carnitne with acetylcholine added for processing, and is used more for brain and nerve support.



  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Footballnut About 80% of the worlds Jews are Ashkenazi. Even a higher amount in the US and probably Canada too. I too was tested but was negative. Typically those who do test positive tend to have these types of cancers (breast, ovarian, etc) early, before menopause, like in your 30s. Also they tend to be triple negative. So you may have a family history and some gene but it might not be the BRCA gene. So I'm hoping you don't have it and there is a good chance you may not.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Special, if you take both are you just overdosing and peeing out your money?

    BTW Dr. Oz says don't take L-Carnitine linky

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    thanks lago

    By the way this is for you!!  :-)

    He's saying - how can u not love me?  By the way every good Red Sox player comes to realise that he has to be a Yankee!!  Lol

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  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    I asked today when I got my shot about taking something for the neuropathy - so far I got the ok on B-6 lol.   I asked again about the Vit d and still got a no can do answer - I don't think he thinks it has anything to do with BC so finds it hard to justify for that reason.  I find him easy to talk to - up on research and trials but not too interested in the outer areas of this disease.  Makes it a little tough- I will just push what I want and handle the rest .

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Linda you need to be sure your vitamin D is in the normal range. There is a connection with breast cancer. I'm sure you can find articles online. My D levels were in the single digits before I was diagnosed! You might be OK living in Florida if you are out in the sun about 15 minutes a day but maybe not. Go to your PCP and get it checked. My MO did test me again and at that time it was high… and told me to discuss with my PCP.

    footballnut in true Boston form Winking

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  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    yep Lago - I am gonna get it checked - It was like 16 when I got diagnosed with diabetes - very strong link to low D and diabetes too - went on the heavy regime of 50,000 once a week for 6 weeks and brought me up in the 50's I believe - I have been taking otc D since but really want to know where it is - I will call my PCP and get him to order it for me.

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    lago love it!!  Tx for the laff. I'll find something as a " back at ya"!!  Lol

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    I almost removed it. Was worried the mods would ban me if they saw it. But you get it.  We might have to take this off-list before we offend the others.

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    man would take a lot more than that to offend me!! but do understand that some might be - just turn that finger into the breast cancer awareness symbol - I bet you are good at photoshopping lago LOL

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    linda I'm a graphic designer. I remember the first version of photoshop

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    Lol - I thought that was the case when we were talking about game designing hence my commentHappy

  • eileenohio
    eileenohio Posts: 268

    Thanks Lago.  I was hoping that my resolved numbness  was a good thing.  I just assumed that it would be numb forever so I was amazed while a taking a bath I had normal feeling in the armpit.  Funny it was not gradual it just seemed to happen overnight.Yes I too think that I have been lucky so far thru out this journey.

  • robinlk
    robinlk Posts: 363

    Linda, my PCP hands me the draw request for my vit d and cholesterol. My draws are done by the chemo nurses due to my port. The lab at the medical building sends all port draws up to chemo area! So it all heads down at the same time.

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    thanks Robin - I wonder if that is possible with this clinic - I will check

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    linda, my PCP does it like Ribins. He orders it ahead of time and they draw the blood and run all the tests at the same time. It actually saves the insurance Co money!  Just ask your doc to order the test anytime before the blood draw. You don't even need to see him. He just places an order. 

  • linda505
    linda505 Posts: 395

    Does he give the order to the cancer treatment center.  That is where i have my bloodwork done for the draws that my MO wants.  They are authorized to do that bloodwork for me but they are not an authorized lab for my insurance so I am not sure that my PCP can order from them.  SpecialK if you are around did you ever have other blood work done at florida cancer specialists that was ordered by other docs?

    Thanks all - my chemo head is swimming LOL