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  • Tomboy
    Tomboy Posts: 2,700

    momma, exercise is supposed to be good because it oxegenates your blood, and cancer doesn't like that supposedly!

    you feel like having sex?? Whoa! good for you! i had read that chemo can cause the layers of tissue there to become easily irritated, like your stomache, or esophagus, or even your nose! so itmight be able to introduce bacteria there,but if you use your brand of slippery stuff, so tissues don't tear, then i say go for it! happy for you! i wonder what your doc would say?  you didn't have chemo-pause? those ladies are all great on the exercise thread.

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    momma - my onc nurses said to use a condom - to reduce the possibility of infection for me, and to reduce the possibility of exposure to chemo agents for the DH.  My advice on how to handle things when you start hormonal therapy - use it or lose it. Seriously.  It helps keep the skin thicker, but some need extra help with lubricants.  The thought about exercise is that something that burns calories, is weight-bearing to strengthen your bones, and can help you maintain a leaner BMI is the kind of exercise to do.  This is more for after treatment - I don't think anyone expects you to be in the gym lifting weights right now - unless you feel like it, lol!

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Mommato3 I see a lot of marriages end more often because there were problems before the cancer diagnosis not because the person continues to fear recurrence.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    I love reading all the posts on the exercise thread.  They help to motivate me!  I certainly don't feel like sex today!  My chemo treatments are 3 weeks apart so I usually feel pretty good about 10 days out.  Last time I was able to exercise on the treadmill those last 10 days.  I'm certainly not lifting weights!!  :)  Unfortunately I haven't had chemo pause yet.  Got another period last week.  It sucks to go through all this plus that.  Seems like I should get a break.  I figured we'd probably need to use a condem.  I have read posts on Tamoxifen and I Want my Mojo Back.  Scares the crap out if me.  I'm scared we're never going to have sex again!  

    I'm sure a lot of marriages crumble because of prior issues.  There may be some that are unwilling to put up with the nonsense.  We have a great marriage but sometimes it's hard to imagine things getting back to the happy place we were before all this.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Mommato3 be careful what you wish for. Chemo-pause means hot flashes. Some people get them really badly. Mine weren't too bad. After chemo I had the painful sex for a bit. All fine now. You know that don't use it you lose it thing. Well for many of us it can be repaired unless you have atrophy. 

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    mommato3-I didn't have much sex during chemo as I developed an infection in the expander and had surgery of some kind pretty much every two months for a year. We had small windows, lol.

    I was 55 when diagnosed and not at all on menopause. Chemo, surgery and whatever through me into menopause immediately.  I have the WORST hot flashes ever. I have also developed some atrophy, even though I am doing the "use it" fairly often. I just signed up for a study testing moisturizers and lubricants, one of two kinds, with counseling, or just counseling. Waiting to hear what arm I end up in. I had to do a vaginal ph test. Mine was 6.5. It said call your doctor, lol. Which I did. They put me on an antibiotic for a bacterial infection. It actually seems to be helping a lot. I'm convinced I got it during my PAP test, as things have been weird down there since then, but not yeast infection like.

    I was on tamoxifen for almost three years and my most recent pap showed endometrial cells. So, the GYN talked to my ONC and they started me on arimidex. Said that was all I needed. I didn't believe him, so I also saw a gyno onc at a different hospital who agreed with him. Said he would do a d and c only for my own peace of mind, but without abnormal bleeding of any kind, he thought it would be overkill also.

    I am trying to go with the flow, but I get twingy in that area, and can't really tell if it is bladder or uterine related. It's annoying. Something is just now right, even if it isn't uterine cancer.

    I'm going to give it another week and then start with the GYN, and maybe move to my kidney stone doc if that doesn't work. Too bad there isn't some test that can look at the bladder and uterus all at once.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    My DH will love to hear that we need to use it or lose it , lol!!  I don't really want hot flashes but it would be great not to have periods either.  I'm relieved to hear you guys seem to be doing ok in the sex dept.  I'm torn between wanting to lower my estrogen as much as possible but also have a healthy relationship with my hubby.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    Fluff, so the one arm only gives you counseling without the lubes?  Does this mean they think it's psychological?  

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    momma, one is not dependent on the other. Lack of estrogen can be over come. Even if you fly solo you can do it after menopause! So good luck!

  • fluffqueen01
    fluffqueen01 Posts: 1,801

    momma, there are three options. Two are different brands of moisturizer and lubes, with counseling, and maybe a vaginal dilator ( not sure I need that quite yet. I think it is optional.). The third arm is just the counseling, that actually gives you tips and suggestions of things to try, not necessarily in your head stuff, but actual things to help. I think they want to see if the lubes and moisturizers actually make a difference compared to other suggestions. They are both brand name products. MD ANDERSON is doing the study. The doc got a $100,000 grant. You don't have to go to the site at all. So I figured it can't hurt.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    I understand now.  It sounds interesting.  Even the third arm with just counseling could potentially be a big benefit. 

    Moon, I'm relieved to hear I can have both!  I just need to stop reading other threads about the Als and loss of libido.  Or even Tamox and all it's SEs.  

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Mommato I'm not like I was at 25 but I'm doing fine. Yes I still use AstroGlide (still love that name. Every time I see it I hear the Jetson's dog Astro saying it) I did use Replens every day for a month after chemo the as directed… till eventually I didn't need it at all.

  • vettegirl
    vettegirl Posts: 136

    Momma-thank you for mentioning this subject.  It is something I too have been very concerned about.  I tried during chemo and honestly it hurt.  I too am glad to hear this may come back okay.  I am not ready to give up that part of my life forever, even though I feel very unsexy right now. 

    I am having horrible night sweats and hot flashes-keep me up half the night...make me feel dizzy headed.  Have not had a period since November so dont think it is coming back-I am 49.

  • vettegirl
    vettegirl Posts: 136

    Lago-what is replens?  Is it over the counter or script?

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    hi all

    Here I am with an update 

    I hate taking percocets. It makes me feel foggy, light headed, nausous and spacy. Went to bed last night at 10:30 with a bit of pain. Thought I could handle it. Woke up at 1:30am crying. Hubby got me applesauce and I took 2 more percs. Woke up at 6:30. Had Rice Krispies with some milk. Had aome more apple sauce. Nearly threw up but didn't. Bit of d. Drank g2, apple juice and water

    I've lost 4 pounds since Saturday. Called nurse to let her know where I'm at. Still have no fever

    Felt better lying down. It's 9:40am and I just woke up again. Going to try to eat eggs and toast with a banana. Eating just doesn't appeal up me. My tongue is on fire but I have no sores

    What I hate is taking the percs. When I have pain I don't feel foggy, nausous or dizzy. Just hurt. When I take percs I have these other SEs

    I can't imagine having to have two more rounds of taxotere. I just don't feel strong enough. A friend of mine had these pains for a week before they subsided

    Hard to believe that this will pass as I'm also hearing of so many women feeling crap with tamoxifen and I'll need to take that too. How will I have a good quality of life with this crap?

    I have to be able to exercise, play my guitar, sing.....

    On top of everything else I got an email from my company hr rep asking if she could give my personal email to my GM and director of HR. That really stressed me out. This is the same GM that hit me up on linkedin a few months ago as I'm getting treatment. I deal with my insurance company who deals with my employer. Even as a manager I was told that I could not deal directly with any employee who was off on disability

    Every time I hear my GMs name I cringe. He couldn't care less if I live or die. I know that our a/r results have tanked in the months since I've been off. I'm going to tell them that I will continue to work through my insurance company and that they can do the same

    It's all I need right now

    Sorry to be so down all. You're really helping me with your virtual hugs. It's so hard to sit at home alone all day with my hubby at work knowing that he's worried about me and I'm too weak to give him a strong face

    Hopefully this will pass soon. I can't take much more!

    Trying to focus on nfl tickets going on sale for my jets tomorrow so that I can buy 2 tix for jets vs broncos. That same evening the rangers open their season against the toronto maple leafs my hubby's team. Hoping to get to both games!

    Can't imagine anything to do with sex right now although glad that others are in the mood. Lol

    Wishing all of you a great day!

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Yes vettegirl it is OTC. I bought it at walgreens but I do believe I saw it at Costco the other day. It was my NP who told me to use it every day for a month then go down to what ever it says on the package.

    Football I would really try to see if they can reduce your dose. I too have trouble with narcotics making me nauseous, spacey etc. Even on shingles I only took Aleve because 1/2 a norco made me feel even worse. Tell your onc and see if maybe a different narcotic may not make you feel as bad. BTW does your mouth feel better with ice? I know they have sugar free popsicles down here. (Don't worry about the artificial sweeter right now. You need to get through this). Hang in there. ♥ ♥ 

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    lago ice chips are awesome!  Lloyd has been crushing ice for me and I've been sucking it up. It rocks!!  Had a Popsicle too. Mmmmm

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    I looked up the info on Replens and Astroglide.  On the Webmd site, a bunch of people complained about the Replens.  I'm assuming they are ones that had a reaction to it.  This will be used after chemo?  While on Herceptin?  Astroglide is sold at Walmart and the reviews are great!  This product I'll use now.  

    FBN-I hate hearing how bad you feel.  :(  I would point out you are almost there...only 2 left!!  But I understand that it doesn't matter when you feel so crappy.  I still have 2 more ACs and then 12 weekly Taxols!!  I'm sorry to have to tell you that Payton Manning and the Broncos are going to beat your Jets!!  ;)  

    My diet hasn't been the greatest either.  Everything tastes like crap.  I had a big glass of chocolate milk yesterday.  The chocolate tasted really good.  I've made potato salad twice in the last week.  It seems like I'm eating every couple hrs because I'm tired of the weird taste in my mouth.  I had managed to gain back 2 of the 12 lbs I lost.  This week I'm back down 3 lbs.  ugh..

  • moonflwr912
    moonflwr912 Posts: 5,945

    Hugs. And the thought that this will end and you will be done. FBN and momma.  I hate that you are going through it now.

     To quote Winston Churchill, "When you are going through Hell, KEEP GOING!!!!

    Much love

  • footballnut
    footballnut Posts: 449

    mommato ure right re the broncos and PEYTON. They are actually my team. I made a pathetic mistake calling the jets mine. "My" was supposed to say ""NY". 

    What a dreadful typo!!!!

    Lol

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Mommato3 I used it after chemo (was all that into sex during chemo) but always check with your MO. I'm sure the folks complaining had an allergic reaction but I had none. Remember that most people will post complaints. Fewer will post good stuff. I never posted on the Replens site that it worked for me. Also on the Amazon site it gets 4-5 stars in the ratings depending on which product you use.

    There is also a product called ReFresh that does the same thing. 

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    Lago, I'm learning that people seem to only want to post the bad stuff.  

    FBN, of all the times to make a typo!!  Of course I spelled Mannings name wrong!  My nephews name is spelled Payton, after Walter Payton.  I always have to think about it when wrapping his presents.

    Moon, thanks for the support.  I know it will eventually get better.  Just wish it would hurry up!!

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    BTW just posted on the: I WANT MY MOJO BACK! thread
    Moderators posted 2 links:

    podcast: Sexuality and Breast Cancer: From Diagnosis to Survivorship 
    Monthly column by Dr. Krychman, first entry: Introducing the Sex Matters Column on Breastcancer.org

    I haven't checked either of them out but thought it you would want to know

  • rozem
    rozem Posts: 749

    FBN - I wanted to quit and not do my last taxotere, literally begging and crying to my BS and MO.  I felt so horrific.  My BS took me by the hand and told me just to do the one last one and he said "I promise you it will be worth it" - it was, I had a complete response to neo-adjuvant chemo - HANG IN THERE!

    sex - yikes so painful and zero desire.  I am trying but nada - feel bad for my DH.  I know its my estrogen depletion bc when I was off the ova suppression for a few months I somewhat got my mojo back.  So very frustrating and depressing - dried up at 45! I will check out those threads Lago

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    Rozem, did your MO suggest ova suppression because of your age?  Have you been doing it since 2011?  I have a feeling I'm going to do the same in nov/Dec.  I'll be 42 next month.  

    Lago, I'm also going to check out those threads!

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Posts: 1,661

    FBN, I feel so sorry that you are feeling so horrible.  I'm not sure what perc is - percocet? I haven't had any experience with it, but from what I understand it can make a lot of people feel quite sick.  I had terrible pain with Taxotere, and I took Panadeine Forte - now I'm not sure what that would be where you are - but it's a codeine based drug and while it can make some people feel sick, there's not as many as with the percocet.

    It would be a good idea to see if you can get your dose reduced the next time to see if that gives you a bit of relief. I meant to say the other day about the crying - that's totally normal on Taxotere. I did that too - not sure if it was the steroids or the Taxotere or a combination of them. There's nothing you can do about it - just go with it, have a good cry. (((Hugs))))

    I could eat very little on Taxotere, hard boiled eggs and some chocolate icecream where the main things, and only in very small bites spread over a long period of time. I lost 5kg (something like 12lbs I think?) in 5 days on Taxotere. The bid D was pretty horrendous. You have to force yourself to take in enough liquid to counteract the D if you are having it.

    I'm really feeling for you 
    Trish

    xoxoxo

  • debiann
    debiann Posts: 447

    While hydration is very important, it is apparently not always enough. I was hydrating like crazy, but drinking only water (despite how awful it tasted). I still ended up in the ER on day five last round. My sodium level was very low. The ER doc said the water was actually diluting my sodium level. Next round he suggested gatorade. MO also scheduled me for extra fluids. Don't wait to ask for extra fluids if you need it FBN, I felt SO much better after that.

  • Mommato3
    Mommato3 Posts: 468

    I listened to the pod-cast.  No actual tips but a preview of what they are going to be addressing.  I did like the fact that they mentioned breast cancer being a chronic disease.  I know a couple of you on here had their MOs say the same thing.  She did talk about survivors that are 10, 20, 30+ years out from diagnosis.  I imagine the hormone therapy aspect of it should really be addressed.  Women that are triple negative May have the short term issues with chemo or maybe long term if it puts them into earlier menopause, but they won't have the addition of hormone therapy that sucks the rest of the estrogen out.  There are times when I've wished for TN vs TP for this reason.  Even some of the TN posters say it's better because they don't have to deal with it.  It all sucks but I'm going to concentrate on the fact that not everyone has major problems.  Just like I keeping thinking that because this damn thing can come back doesn't mean it's going to!!

  • specialk
    specialk Posts: 9,299

    momma - remember that Tamoxifen does not suppress estrogen, it blocks the receptors on breast cells.  It allows circulating estrogen to remain, and is prescribed to premenopausal women because it allows the benefits to heart and bone health.

  • lago
    lago Posts: 11,653

    Triple negative is better if you make 5 years NED but otherwise not so much. I lost my chemo buddy (Well she was starting chemo when I finished but I was doing herceptin so I was her chemo buddy). Our tumors were the same size. She had nodes and was triple negative. We got the same treatment except she got Rads and I got hormone therapy. I'm here she isn't. She was 10 years younger than me with 2 young kids and husband. Their 10th wedding anniversary would have been this week.

    It's so aggressive. But my 26 YO friend is approaching the 3 year mark with her triple negative from diagnosis. She had a local recurrence but is currently NED. Things look good for her.