Weekly Taxol for Stage 4
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Oh, of course, that makes sense. We lets hope this time it is easier for you!
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hi guys. Just home from my 90th Taxol. Need to get ready for work then out the door again. Hope everyone is doing well.
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90! Wow. Keep on keeping on !
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Woohoo, Shazza! Getting close to 100...
I have number 12 tomorrow (missed one a couple of weeks ago). I hope I can stay on it as long as you!
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Forgive me if I'm posting in the wrong area. My first time trying a discussion board. Reading through the many discussions has been very helpful. I was just recently diagnosed with mets to my sternum and spine (T3, T4, T11). It has been 8 years since my initial diagnosis of breast cancer. The new diagnosis hit me pretty hard! Next week I will be celebrating my 3rd wedding anniversary with the most wonderful man ever. I am 51, second marriage and absolutely loving life. My husband has been great so far but I feel so bad for him to have to deal a new wife that went from scuba diving, biking, traveling to dealing with medications, treatments, doctor visits....
I just finished 15 radiation treatments to my sternum and spine. It was actually a lot tougher than I thought it would be since I didn't have radiation the first go around with breast cancer. I'm about to start a trial study that includes taxol once a week for three weeks then one week off with a total of 9 treatments. I will also be taking an oral medication (trial meds) throughout the three months of chemo.
What I'm most curious about is since this is stage 4 and no longer considered cureable but instead a chronic disease, what next? At the end of this round of chemo, do they continue to treat the cancer with other forms of medication? How do I keep it from spreading to other more serious places such as lung, liver, brain?
Any info or advice is greatly appreciated. I'm very much a planner and control freak and it is really hard for me to sit back and take things day by day. I want to know what is ahead of me.
Thanks,
Dana
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Hello, Dana. Welcome! (And sorry you have to be here.) I lurked for a long time before joining and posting. It's so good to have a Stage iv support group here. You can set several topics as your favorites, whatever seems like it applies to you, e.g. weekly taxol, bone mets, fighting the dark clouds, etc. I know, it feels so wrong and unfair that this has to affect our wonderful husbands as well. I suppose that most couples have something to deal with. For better or for worse. But wow, this is a big one.
To try and answer your question, yes, stage iv usually means being on some sort of treatment most of the time. Stage iv treatment is meant to balance quality of life with whacking the cancer, so after taxol you might be on something easier. (I did find taxol very do-able.) What kind of treatment depends on the biology of the tumor. Did they biopsy the mets to find out if it is still the same as before? Do you know the ER, PR, and Her2 stats? What is your trial med?
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Thanks for responding. Yes, a biopsy identified the cancer to be the same breast cancer that was initially diagnosed in 2007. I had a right side mastectomy, AC-T, and Tamoxifen for 5 years. ER+PR-HER2- Stage 2a.
I'm starting the Taxol very soon. What did you find to be most difficult about the Taxol? Did you loose your hair? I'm an elementary PE teacher and hope to work as much as possible through the chemo. Which days did you find difficult after your infusions?
The trial drug that I may or may not be taking along with the Taxol is Alisertib and is an oral medication. The computer randomizes the patient who receives the Alisertib. I haven't found out yet if I will be receiving it. The benifit of the trial seems to be additional testing such as bone scans, blood test... more often and paid for by the trial.
How are you doing?
Dan
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Dan
Did you have chemo AC & T (what is the T) and Tamoxifen the first time you had cancer in 2007??And your oncologist is telling you it is the same cancer but metastized?? I am sure this had to be very upsetting to you that after you took all that treatment the cancer returned
This is interesting to me because I had a right mastectomy 15 years ago, no chemo, Tamoxifen also for 5 years and it was er+pr+Her- ..( which he said is the best to get :-) if there is a best) Then 41/2 years ago I had a left mastectomy. again the same kind. no chemo because my onco test came back at "1". My oncologist said he never heard of one that low. Now I go to the oncologist because I have a pain in my middle back (right where your bra goes around the back) He sends me for a bone scan, it is clear. Then he sends me for a MRI which shows nothing definate but maybe should have a repeat scan in60 days. He dosen't send me for a MRI, he sends me for a catscan which finds a 3.5 cm lump in my lung. Now I have a lung biopsy and it shows a NEW cancer. This time it is all negatives. Stage 4.
I am also going to take Taxol and Carboplatin. How do I find out about that trial Alisertib.
Thanks Rosieo
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I felt pretty good on taxol, Dana. I prepared by getting all the recommended side effect meds in stock, but didn't end up needing them. I followed all the recommendations about taking care of skin, nails, mouth, etc. and had no real problems. The cycle went like this: On infusion day I felt drugged and sleepy from the benadryl. The next day I was on a steroid high and was able to leap small buildings. The following two days were crash days when I felt tired and off, like you feel when a flu is coming on. The next three days were my best days, especially the last one. I think this pattern is similar to what others have described. I was not employed, but I'm sure other women here can tell you how they manage working during taxol. Yes, I lost most of my hair everywhere. I guess you know all about that from your first time around.
The T in your previous treatment would have been taxotere or taxol, right? And does your onc think taxol is the best choice now, even though you had a taxane before? I did a quick google search, and it looks like alisertib is a type of kinase inhibitor, so it would be a targeted therapy that could help the taxol work better. Is that right? And you will know if you are getting it?
As far as after chemo, with ER+ it is common to take an anti-estrogen med. Since tamoxifen failed your med would probably be an aromatase inhibitor (pill), although faslodex (injection) is also an option. Some of us have a targeted therapy added to this (afinitor with aromasin, or Ibrance with letrozole or faslodex). If you are pre-menopausal you would also need some kind of ovarian suppression to use these.
(I am doing well now. I have some med side effects but have learned to adapt. I have been very lucky to have no evidence of active disease since my first three taxol cycles.)
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Rosieo, that is really too much! Two separate lower-risk breast cancers, and now triple negative stage iv? I'm so sorry this is happening to you and I hope that your chemo just stomps on it.
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welcome Dana and Rosieo. I have been on weekly taxol for 2 years now. It has kept me stable with not too many side effects. Fatigue would be the big one for me.
My first two rounds with breast cancer were ER+ so I had about 10 years of tamoxifen. My current cancer is from a more aggressive new primary and while I'm still ER+ my Onc feels I may now be resistant to hormone treatment and is reluctant to try one now although we may revisit that decision at a later date.
Good luck with your treatment I hope you have as good a response to Taxol as I have had. Keep us posted
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Well I did not get my chemo today because the dr said my port wasn't healed enough.
Then he asked me if I decided which treatment I wanted. Taxol with carboplatin or Gezmar with carboplatin. He said they do the same thing. And it would be my decision which one to take. What the heck.!!He is the Dr. So then his nurse that is there 23 years said if it were her, she would take the Gezmar.
So I guess I am now going to get Gezmar on Thursday (maybe) ;-)
Anyone on Gezmar ??
Rosieo
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I had gemzar for a year then was switched to taxol. With Gemzar your hair only thins. Taxol you lose all your hair everywhere. SE's with gmezar for me was horrible itching and occasional vomiting Taxol has been a bit easier except exhaustion on the 3rd day after the infusion, and the no hair really bothers me. haven't had carboplatin only get one drug at a time. Had an infusion of gemzar by vein which hurt a lot so had a port implanted which makes life a lot easier. Been on chemo since April 2014 . Tomorrow is my 32nd infusion of taxol. As my doctor says everyone is different and your SE's may be different than what I experienced, What does matter is that whichever drug keeps you going. Best of luck to you Rosieo with whichever you decide.
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chutzpah
Thanks for your reply. I was beginning to think no one ever had Gezmar. Why did they stop giving you the Gezmar. Did it stop working? Thanks for you input. I really appreciate it.
Rosieo
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HI Roieo, Was switched from gemzar when lung mets increased in size a bit. Did the gemzar first cause DD's wedding was Aug 2014 and doctor understood that I wanted to have my own hair for the wedding. So far so good. Just posted on the bone mets thread how this past week has been for me. The good news is that my grand daughter was born yesterday morning. Getting ready to go see DD and baby. Takes awhile for me to get together had to paint my face, draw on eyebrows, fix my wig and dress in regular clothes. and still check the fridge to se what I need for the weekend. Charlotte
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Chutzpah
Congratulations on your precious new grandbaby. What a joy!!!!
Rosieo
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Hi everyone,
For everyone just starting chemo or will be in the future this might be something you could look into. I have just found some great results about a PPI or also called nexium increasing chemo response rate. This is the article. Nexium breast cancer study
Hope that helps some of you.
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Question...I am Stage IV TNBC. Started weekly Taxol on May 22nd. Went NED on September 11th. My ONC is going to keep me on Taxol until I have issues (SE's) or it stops working (see new mets). Anyone else doing this routine??
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Texasrose, just had my 38th infusion of Taxol, Onc tells me that she will keep me on Taxol until a scan shows progression, or SE's. become intolerable. The SE's I have experienced are loss of hair, but it iis starting to grow back too bad the chin hairs are the first to show up. hair on my head is thin and sparse. I also have neuropathy in my feet and hands,if the neuropath interfers with daily life onc will switch me to something else. My diagnosis is ILC Invasive lobular carcinoma with mets to bone and lung.
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Cool that you've got to NED, Texasrose. A great place to be

I'm not NED, but I'm hoping to have a long run on taxol like NYCc too, becos I don't want to burn thru chemos too quickly. My taxol dose was upped last week as my tumour markers have been creeping up (had dose lowered previously because I had really sore fingers). Yesterday I caught a nail & it's looking a bit funky & loose
And my fatigue is horrible (mind you I am trying to move house as well...) Here's hoping for good long runs for us all. I dream of NED, send him my way!
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Texasrose. I'm not Ned but I am stable and have been on weekly taxol for two years now. I have taken a couple of breaks over that time the longest being 6 weeks. I do get tired but I am still able to work and do most things. I'm am completely over going to the hospital every week though.
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I'm doing low dose taxol every 3 weeks for liver & brain mets now. On 3rd dose Mon. 6 years ago I was on TAC and avoided neuropathy with B6 & B12. I'm hoping it does the trick this time. I get it from a company called Trivita for $18 Month. Not promoting drugs, just helping out if I can. Head is getting itcthy now. Pretty tired on this, but about 2 months out from brain surgery.
Terri
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kt1966, shazzakelly, Terri and NYCchutzpah, it is nice to hear other that are on the same routine....gives me someone to reach out to with questions

NYC...your ONC sounds like mine. She has stated I will stay on this until there is either, progression, neuropathy or a reaction to the Taxol. I too have lost my hair (fuzz is growning back in now). I did loose my eyelashes and eyebrows. I did eyebrow tatooing since I had a hard time drawing a good line where the eyebrow was suppose to be. I wear false eyelashes...I think of them like putting a contact lens in every morning.
I am hoping to stay on Taxol for a long time with none of the other SE's. Like you KT1966 I don't want to burn through my chemo options too quickly either.
I do well on this....I occasionally have some tingling in my fingers and toes but it goes away after a few minutes. I have noticed a little fatigue...my normal speed is probably 150% so I am not operating at about 100%. I am a very active person and have a hard time just doing nothing. I work full time (10 hour days) for an Engineering firm, driving 1 hour each way. I try and exercise when possible....yesterday I was able to get 5 miles in on my treadmill...which made me feel really good!
Thanks again Ladies!
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Wow, Texas, you're amazing doing all that! I wish I had your energy.
My fingernails have gone funky. They smell & are a bit pusy
yuck. I'm finding it hard all of a sudden. Probably because we moved house last week & I think I seriously overdid it with the packing, organising & rushing about. I had a bit of a melt fown on Friday (my taxol crash day).... Trying to take it quiet now but I'm scared the damage is done. My back is sore tonight & that along with the fact my tumour markers have been going up has me concerned.
I have a CT in 2 1/2 weeks- hoping it shows no progression & it's just tiredness that's got to me. I really don't want to have to change treatments for a long time.
Fingers crossed...
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KT I hope your scan shows no progression and you get to have a bit of a rest now the move is complete. I find I get even more exhausted if i add anything extra to my usual schedule. Not sure how I would cope with moving I find getting groceries too much at the moment. No wonder you had a meltdown
I have a scan booked for Monday next week haven't had one for 6 months. I have a few more aches and pains than usual so hoping for no progression.
Hope everyone is doing well. I have chemo tomorrow number 98
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Hey KT....hoping and praying you have a good scan. I have one this Wednesday and results on Friday. I also have meltdown days...I think we all do. I do notice on days that I tend to overdue (especially my steroid high days) I pay the price when I come down from that high. Hang in there...moving is a lot of work. I couldn't imagine doing that, no wonder you had a meltdown!
Shazzakelly...WOW number 98. I am only at number 18....Taxol is working for me right now so I hope to get 98! Hoping and praying you have a clean scan as well!!
Julie
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Last Friday when I had my most recent infusion the nurse asked me how many more the onc wants me to do. I told her as long s it keeps on working for me, So far I have had around 37 or 38. Will be having another scan before the end of the year. Charlotte
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Good luck with your scans Shazza & Texas. I hope you both get good news

What a fun ride this is...
Terri, I hope your recovery from brain surgery is going well. It is horrible to be tired all the time.
Some of my blood results have been low this time around - haemoglobin etc. hope I get chemo tomorrow, should do as it's not too low I think.
Take care x
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My dose has been dropped again, which is a bummer because the TMs started coming down again. I was on antibiotics for my fingernails & the onc doesn't want me getting a systemic infection from the nail infections... I now have a topical ab to hopefully prevent further infections.
Hopefully the drop isn't too much & it still kick cancers ass. My scan next Friday may tell.
Hope your scan went well Shazza and that you all are doing well
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Well the good news for me is stable scans. Taxol 100 for me tomorrow. My oncologist talked to me about a phase 1 trial for an oral form of taxol. Has anyone heard of this? I'm a bit sick of weekly infusions so I have expressed an interest in taking part.
Hope everyone is doing well.
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