Ribociclib/Kisqali with Letrozole - Any one on this combo?

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  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    Hello 😄

    ah , last year i walked the camino to Santiago from France. I want that happy clear feeling back , I cried and was angry and let it all out there so I’m doing it again maybe take a different path through Spain. I’m the impulsive type. Have booked the flight back. The rest we’ll see.
    My health is a lot worse (NOT the cancer) so I have doubts. If I fail , I’ll skip a section and take a train or a donkey 😂😂 I don’t need the fancy certificates anymore so no stress.

    I need my immunity up because sleeping in churches or other communal places is a bit too much close proximity for our blood counts , hence the Kisqali gets « forgotten » 😅

    I talk too much.

    X

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 477

    @forza I would love to do that hike. I knew someone who did it and kept a beautiful journal of the experience. Now that I'm two years out and stable, I might think about that since I've always been a great hiker. And you don't talk too much!

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 472

    @forza

    Thanks for giving me hope.

    I am on Kisqali/Faslodex/Xgeva and like you, I seem to have no SEs from Xgeva. I also do not have a port and have "difficult" veins. I see that you were also on Zometa. How long ago did you switch to Xgeva? I have been getting it every 4 weeks for 3 years and based on a study I found comparing the effectiveness of dosing at 4 weeks, 8 weeks and 12 weeks, I will be switching to 8 week dosing next month with my MO's approval. My concern is the ONJ potential.

    Keep on keeping on!

    Eleanora

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    hi @eleanora ☀️


    I shouldn’t give people hope , I’m just lucky. I do nothing extraordinary to deserve being this long on first line treatment.

    Oh and I was never on zometa , English is not my first language. I tried to say if zometa doesn’t agree with people there are other options. Xgeva is easier on the body maybe because it’s monthly and not 3 monthly. Easier for me without a port and invisible curvy veins.

    You have every right to stretch these meds out longer. It’s your body. I was originally told I could only take Xgeva for 5 years … yet here we are. I skip the odd month , I inject myself and don’t always have syringes in the house.

    Keep well

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    @tougholdcrow

    Definitely a nice long walk , you should just do it. All ages , fitness levels and nationalities on the paths towards Santiago.
    No need to pack clutter , every Spanish village has a pharmacy and a coffee bar 🤣 I’m hoping to sketch a bit this time. My little phone videos never made it into 1 video so different approach this time.
    Also haven’t framed my Compostela yet 😌 And yes it rains in Spain , a lot even

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  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 477

    A beautiful image, @forza . I'm reading The Canterbury Tales again, so hopefully I will get even more inspired to do this.

  • raysal
    raysal Posts: 21

    Helloo

    Completed my second cycle of this combo and again neutrophils low. Even though this time - especially this last week focused a lot on my food, broccoli, sweet peppers, protein intake, bone broth etc 😅 oh well part of the game I guess. So we wait another week then based on my results take a call on next steps.

    I have to admit taking these longer breaks give me anxiety and make me worry that my medication won’t be as effective but my oncologist doesn’t have the same concerns so dunno.. anyway I hope it gets better.

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 477

    @raysal I went through this thing with low neutrophils and they lowered my dose to 400 well over a year ago, and I'm doing fine. My neutrophils still dip down, and I worry about an even lower dose being prescribed, but I have a superstition that I do better if I have my blood work in the afternoon. My onc says there's no scientific evidence for this, but it works for me.

  • raysal
    raysal Posts: 21

    yeah, my onco I think wants to give me a chance to get through three rounds before lowering my dose. We’re going to see after a week to decide.

    I think I’ve seen somewhere here - perhaps it was an earlier post by you - on afternoon tests. Unfortunately for us here the latest would be 1pm, but the morning appts are much faster. I might give it a try though.


    I’m glad you’re doing well with the lower dose - I’ve been reading that it gives similar results as well and my oncologist has mentioned it. So I might be joining you on that as well.

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    I had several cycles with an extra rest week to get my neutrophils back to 1 or a 1000 or however they write it up. Been lowered to 400 and 6 years later it’s still doing the job. So don’t stress when they lower it 💪

    If Kisqali wants your neutrophils down, they’re going down. The real magic is in the week off and if needed : a dose drop — not the food aisle. (This is meant to be comforting , sorry I’m no poet)

    Hang in there 😎

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    hi 🙃 so quiet here still , no news is good news I’m thinking

    All super with my new oncologist (I was passed on because of a hospital merger). Had a list of 5 things I needed to get off my chest , never got to it because she had the same things on hers and beat me to it. Oncologist : I wanted to see you in real life because I’ve never met anyone on Kisqali for so long. Me : so you actually looked in my file ? You all get the gist of my cancer journey.

    Well , my news : they’re going to do hereditary genetic screening of 17 cancer genes. Oncologist agreed not having children was no reason not to , the goal is to have a plan in place once Kisqali fails. She didn’t even blink when I said I’m going off the drugs for 5 weeks 👍 And we’re revisiting the Zoladex vs real menopause vs removal ovaries next consult. No more mammograms, she thought them barbaric so getting that switched to breast mris instead. I hope it wasn’t a one off and she stays this agreeable. 6+ years on Kisqali, I know some of you here have been on it longer. who’d have thought.

    Hope and hugs to all of us here x

  • tougholdcrow
    tougholdcrow Posts: 477

    @forza 6+ years. That is amazing and heartening. I'm glad you are still around for the journeys and are making the most of this precious life. I had genetic screening right away, since my daughter was worried. It turned up a CHEK2 gene of indeterminate danger (there are variations of the gene). I told my immediate family, since they knew of my cancer anyway. Then I had to decide whether I should tell cousins, and worry them.

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    @tougholdcrow at first I didn’t even know this existed , then I was told I don’t have children so no. Now it’s to have future treatments in place. My parents never had cancer but I don’t know my history beyond them. I think when you’re under 50 when dx de novo could be a qualifier. Chek2 is in the list. I added a photo , the 17 with an X will get tested.
    I consented the university can use my dna for research.

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  • eddiej
    eddiej Posts: 72

    good morning! I had the genetic screening right at the start, I asked for it immediately but probably would have had it anyway since I have children. I am negative across the board. My adult kids were thrilled to hear tho know it is no where near a guarantee - look at me.
    My closest friend died of BC back when we were 39. We learned afterward that she carried both BRCA genes and her 2 daughters also inherited them. They were 4 & 7 when she died. OMG - what a terrible time and I can’t believe it was over 25 yrs ago now… 😢
    Her younger daughter had a preventive mastectomy at age 31 (last year) and her older daughter is waiting to get pregnant first but has a team at Sloan’s keeping close watch. My friend would have lived if she were diagnosed now, I am positive of it! Needless to say, my diagnosis from out of the blue freaked us all out.
    Long story short, I found my MO at Sloans through my friend - wild coincidences one after another that resulted in my choice of doc! It is one of those stories that help keep mediums in business 😂 @forza Your success with this combo of miraculous drugs keep newbies like me clam and inspired. The great scans I recently had help too 😊 Thank you!

    Hope everyone enjoys the 2025 summer’s end! juliana xo

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 472

    @EddieJ

    I had my genetic screening right at the start as well, and just like you, I'm clear across the board! Big sigh of relief as I have two children. I mentioned the results to my new MO (we moved, so I had to switch) and she reminded me that even though I have no mutations the cancer can acquire them. Sometimes I wish she would keep the negative comments to herself.

    Will be very glad to see the end of 90+ temps and humidity!

  • forza
    forza Posts: 166

    my inspiration here was Kangaroo ??

    There’s more of us *oldtimers out there and on here. I hope I don’t come across as smug , nobody knows if it’ll work or not. Maybe my pet in December goes all yellow , who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️ there’s micronodules in my lungs that come and go without any intervention. The day will come, but NOT TODAY !!!

    x

  • raysal
    raysal Posts: 21

    @forza amazing that you’re 6+ years on Kisqali - I hope I get there too!

    I had genetic testing done immediately when I was diagnosed the first time since I was 34 and it came back negative. I’m now on a research at the hospital I’m being treated with why some families are more prone to BC without the gene. Before I was diagnosed my aunt and a cousin had BC and after I got diagnosed my mum got BC 🤷‍♀️ will be interesting if anything comes out.

    On my side by end of second week my neutrophils were back to normal! So I started my third round of Kisqali after a two week break. End of this round I’ll be getting my PET scan and we will see how my neutrophils do this time then decide whether we keep doing two week breaks or drop the dosage.

  • It's my two-year cancerversary, and I'm very happy to be alive. I've been on Kisqali for 19mos of that time, after 5 months of AC-T chemo. The big ground-breaking Monaleesa-2 trial for this drug suggests that those who have had chemo have worse outcomes, but I'm not sure why. Maybe they have had a much longer time with the disease. (My bout of chemo was an error, since it took them 6 mos to figure out that the spots on my PET were actually bone lesions. Oh well, water under the bridge.) I have some good things going, since it appears I have bone-only metasasis (after worry about a lung nodule which has remained completely stable), I'm in relatively good shape for a 68-year old, I was de novo at diagnosis. But the statistics are pretty good for everyone. The OS at 18 months is really good, according to the Monaleesa-2 trial, with 60.9 percent still alive at 48 months. That's an amazing thing! Some newer real-world studies are putting progression-free survival at 34 months, with a 3-year OS of 86 percent. Just amazing. When I first had a lumpectomy 25 years ago, they thought it was benign, but my breast tumor just happens to be in exactly the same place. I am glad that it had not spread 25 years ago before this wonderful science had come along. Sure, I have fatigue and joint pain and thinning hair and all that, but as I always say, it is better than the alternative.

  • dah925
    dah925 Posts: 29

    Congratulations on this milestone. I hope you are celebrating! Progression free survival and overall survival times are increasing all the time. 🤗

  • eddiej
    eddiej Posts: 72

    @tougholdcrow So happy you are here to crow about your success at keeping this beast under control! 😊 I find you inspiring and pray your good health and wonderful outlook continue for many more years to come! Party time 🥳🥳 Thank you also for reporting the great news regarding the effectiveness of these drugs. May all our outcomes using these drugs be just as positive and result in even better survival stats as the years go on!! To life! L’chiam!

  • @EddieJ and @dah925 L'chiam!

  • @tougholdcrow I’m happy to hear the news. I was hoping for good news myself; however, after 4 cycles of ribo,, plus 3 zometa infusions, pelvic MRI showed progression of lesions, broke through bone into outside tissue. I’m very sad right now and I haven’t even heard from the dr.

  • @newfmamainoregon I am so, so sorry to hear this, and I so hope they find something that works for you. You have been going through so much and this disease is like a serial killer, always hiding in the shadows. We are the same age, and it seems as if all my friends are dealing with some terrible illness. Sometimes i know it is hard to persevere and i hope you find some joy now and then despite this terrible struggle.

  • I saw MO on Friday. She tried to show me the largest lesion on illiac wing but was struggling finding it on the MRI. Evidently, it’s much harder to pinpoint things on MRI vs CT. She eventually found it. Her recommendation was see radiation oncologist to try to lessen pain, took blood sample to send to Guardant mutation testing and stay the course with Kisqali/Letrozole/Zometa until after Oct. CT. Maybe look at switching to Faslodex instead of Letrozole. I’m going to be reading up on the radiation and Faslodex. If anyone has any feedback, I’d really appreciate it.

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 472

    @newfmamainoregon

    There is a large contingent of women who are prescribed Kisqali with letrozole, and another contingent who are prescribed Kisqali with Faslodex. I am in the second group and I don't understand the MO's reasoning for choosing one or the other. If your MO switches you, there is a wealth of information on the Faslodex Girl's thread as to how to make the injections easier.

    You are in that chaotic place between diagnosis and treatment plan. I am so sorry for what you're experiencing right now, but it will settle down and we are all here for you as you go through this.

    ❤️

  • aoibheann
    aoibheann Posts: 265

    @eleanora I'm on kisqali + faslodex + letrozole. My neutrophils and platelets are low so my kisqali dose has been reduced to 400g 18 days on and 10 days off.

    My digestive problems are increasing, nausea and vomiting, constant 'bubbling' sensation in my stomach combined with belching and worse! Does anyone else have these symptoms and what do you take to ease it? It's difficult to plan as I never know when I'll be sick or what triggers it.

  • @aoibheann so sorry to read about your digestive problems. I get them when I take Kisqali without food. If I eat a full breakfast then take it right away, it gets easier…if I wait for even 30min I would be in pain.

  • @aoibheann These are common struggles for all of us who take Kisqali! I also have taken the reduced dose for about a year now. I eat and drink tons of probiotic foods: lots of yogurt and kombacha, ginger tea before bed. For neutropenia, I put a tablespoon of unsweetened chocolate nibs on my yogurt everyday. I try to do as much aerobic exercise as I can, which is supposed to help. My numbers have improved.

  • eleanora
    eleanora Posts: 472

    @aoibheann

    Xofran for nausea/vomiting; Bentyl for cramping - these are both prescription meds, but my MO orders them for me.

    Phazyme for gas and Immodium for diarrhea and gas.

    I always keep all of these on hand.

    Good luck!

  • aoibheann
    aoibheann Posts: 265

    @ radiation_cinderella, I take kisqali after breakfast too. I hope you are feeling ok. Take care of yourself. Hugs x

    @tougholdcrow, I've tended to drink peppermint tea but I'll try ginger tea instead. Also the unsweetened chocolate nibs (once I source them).

    Apologies ladies but I thought I'd posted my reply. Hope you're keeping well. Thank you for your advice.

    My GP thinks I have chronic constipation and that's causing my digestive problems. She's px laxitives - movicol and senakot- for 6 weeks. I've thrown up twice so far since taking them (2 weeks). The nurse at my hospital today told me to stop taking the laxitives and to change from esomeprazole to a different PPI and to increase dosage from 40mg daily to 80mg daily.

    Also today the same nurse decided not to access my port and took my bloods from my veins. She said I didn't need to have my port accessed until every 8 weeks which was news to me. Who knew! So now I'll attend the nurse at my GP's surgery for my faslodex injections and to have my bloods done every 2nd month.

    Take care xx