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  • dogsaver
    dogsaver Member Posts: 110
    edited December 2009

    hi ladies, a month and a half since ending chemo and i feel great. i know its due to the vitamins and supplements. my medical onc said i look great. i went to the holistic onc last week to get scar therapy, he injected traumeel into my lymphnode removal scar and it shrunk the scar tissue dramatically. thx for all the support. glad that 2009 will so be "86'd"

  • dghoff
    dghoff Member Posts: 236
    edited December 2009

    Hi Julie, I have an Omega 8005 juice also and it works great. I tried the Jack Lalanne power juice but it was a lot harder to clean. The Omega is a pretty good price and it really gets the juice out! 

    Deanna, I've also read in a number of places about microwaves. I do use them on occasion when I bring leftovers to work, but it's maybe only once or twice a week, and I always cook in glass. Still, I always feel bad about it and wish I had another option. That's why I mostly do salads for lunch since I don't have to worry about heating anything. 

    I too indulged over the holidays and definitely am worse off for it. Bad acne, I think from all the sugar! Ugh. I really wish my mother did not set out so darned many cookies every day! How on earth are you supposed to walk by plates of chocolate fudge 50 times without eventually eating some?  

    Rose, you mentioned gluten free products.  Here's a little piece of interesting information: my friend's mother had breast cancer about 10 years ago and was diagnosed with a recurrance about a year ago with a very rare form of mets that is slow growing and is in her abdomen somewhere. She had another round of chemo, and was pronounced stable, but  had bad stomach pains for the past year once chemo ended. She was convinced her cancer was spreading, but tests showed that it was still stable. Finally her doctor suggested she should try going gluten-free for a while. He said that sometimes, chemotherapy can make a person more intolerant of gluten. Well, she cut out gluten for a week, and her pain totally disappeared!  I thought that was very interesting information. 

    Wishing you all a happy and healthy 2010!

    DeAnn 

  • dghoff
    dghoff Member Posts: 236
    edited December 2009

    Hi Julie, I have an Omega 8005 juice also and it works great. I tried the Jack Lalanne power juice but it was a lot harder to clean. The Omega is a pretty good price and it really gets the juice out! 

    Deanna, I've also read in a number of places about microwaves. I do use them on occasion when I bring leftovers to work, but it's maybe only once or twice a week, and I always cook in glass. Still, I always feel bad about it and wish I had another option. That's why I mostly do salads for lunch since I don't have to worry about heating anything. 

    I too indulged over the holidays and definitely am worse off for it. Bad acne, I think from all the sugar! Ugh. I really wish my mother did not set out so darned many cookies every day! How on earth are you supposed to walk by plates of chocolate fudge 50 times without eventually eating some?  

    Rose, you mentioned gluten free products.  Here's a little piece of interesting information: my friend's mother had breast cancer about 10 years ago and was diagnosed with a recurrance about a year ago with a very rare form of mets that is slow growing and is in her abdomen somewhere. She had another round of chemo, and was pronounced stable, but  had bad stomach pains for the past year once chemo ended. She was convinced her cancer was spreading, but tests showed that it was still stable. Finally her doctor suggested she should try going gluten-free for a while. He said that sometimes, chemotherapy can make a person more intolerant of gluten. Well, she cut out gluten for a week, and her pain totally disappeared!  I thought that was very interesting information. 

    Wishing you all a happy and healthy 2010!

    DeAnn 

  • jduford
    jduford Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2009

    DeAnne, Li and Patty,

    Thanks for the suggestions, I am going to start searching on Ebay. There will probably be plenty for sale in February after the New Years Resolutions go by the way side.

    Deanna the article was great.  Thank you again for recommending this thread. The cause of my cancer, definitely has been something I have spent plenty of time thinking about.... What did I do wrong  or why did it start?  I try to keep those thoughts in check but  I do often find myself thinking back to what I may have been exposed to  because the arrogant part of me doesn't believe my body could fail me.. at least not yet.

    Julie

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited December 2009

    Welcome, Deb, and congratulations on finishing rads!  As far as which supplement(s) to start with, my WBC & RBC were both quite low after rads, so I'm thinking maybe a high potency multi vitamin/mineral would get you started and give you a noticeable energy boost while you do some additional reading/research.  Just be sure to choose one that is made from natural, organic, ingredients, available at markets like Whole Foods and on-line.  Don't waste your money on drugstore brands (One-A-Day, Centrum, etc.), which are made from chemicals.  And you're wise to start them one at a time, so that you will be able to see how your body reacts to each one.

    I'm not sure what to suggest about an alternative to caffeinated coffee.  I went cold turkey on caffeine when I had my mast+Diep, and I'm so glad I did.  I can't tell you how much better I feel and sleep -- especially now that tx is behind me.  I drink mostly white tea now, which, like green tea, is high in anti-oxidants, although occasionally I'll have a decaf latte.

    Julie, I think we've all gone through periods of wondering, "What did I do to get bc?"  But I honestly don't think any one thing causes it.  Obviously, no one has all the pieces of the puzzle, but a couple of the more thought-provoking ideas I've heard are (1) Our immune systems go awry because they are overactive (rather than weak); and (2) From a Life Coach I recently met socially... that accidents and illness come into our lives to teach us something we need to know.  For example, in my case, pre-bc I had a lot more stress in my life, and bc has taught me that a lot of what I was constantly stressed about really isn't important.  What's important is loving people and relationships.  I think if we ask ourselves what we've learned from bc (as the Life Coach I met asked me), we may realize what was out of sync in our lives before we were dx'd -- at least I did.   Deanna

  • rgiuff
    rgiuff Member Posts: 339
    edited December 2009

    Deanna, at an alternative Breast Cancer conference that I attended last year, one of the speakers stated that microwaving kills all the nutrients, so since then I've tried to reheat things in other ways.  I never used it for cooking.  A study on this would be great, wouldn't it?

  • Jennyi1
    Jennyi1 Member Posts: 81
    edited December 2009

    Good morning Ladies,

    DLB823- Great article and like you, (Pre-BC) I had a lot of stress in my life, but BC taught me as well that most of what I stressed about was really not worth it. I have to say that I am happier and more relaxed now than I have ever been in my adult life. Hmmmm, kinda funny how I can feel that way after all I (and my family) has been throughSmile

    DEB- Congrats on finishing RADS and welcome to this knowledgeable siteSmile. I have dealt with Dark circles under my eyes since I was a teenager and yes, it did get worse with chemo. I actually started using Magnolia eye cream from "MyMichelle" about 3.5 years ago and the dark circles under my eyes virtually disappeared. When I noticed that they were getting darker after the 2nd round of chemo, I stepped up on the use from 2 times a day to three times a day and it did GREAT. Another thing also is to step up on you water drinking, this will help as well. I do hope this helps and I think that "MYMichelle" has sample/travel packs so that you can at least give it a try before buying a full container. Good luck to you.

    JULIE- I use Jack LeLanne's power juicer and absolutely love it. I know everybody has their favorites of course, but after trying and sending back 3 juicers prior, (what a pain that wasSmile) I was most impressed with Jack's. 

    Oh and on the subject of the microwave: Mine is unplugged and ready to be recycled. I DO NOT want it used in our home and cannot bring myself to sale it to someone else. I admit that things take a little more time reheating and defrosting, but it is soooo worth it, besides, look at the extra exercise you are getting to take that extra step in re-heating/thawing food items, also the mental exercise of trying to think of faster ways to do these tasksLaughing.

    Love ya'll and big hugs

    Jenny. 

  • debnyc
    debnyc Member Posts: 15
    edited December 2009

    Thanks so much for all of your advice! I'm definitely going to go gluten-free for a bit to see if it makes a difference. I just looked for the magnolia cream and I guess mymichelle doesn't carry it anymore :( I did find a Burt's Bees one and will check it out.

    I'm going to Whole Foods later and will check out the multivitamins. I also think I'm going to get a high quality fish oil supplement. I do not eat fish at all and there seems to be a lot of info out there about the benefits of omega oils.

    Wishing eveyone a Happy, Healthy New Year!!!

    Deb

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 3,372
    edited December 2009

    Deb, a while back on this thread Vivre mentioned NAC as a Rads "detox". You may want to check into that. NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)  -- check it out on Google. I am going to ask my osteopath about it in Jan.

  • PS73
    PS73 Member Posts: 171
    edited December 2009

    Wishing everyone a happy and healthy 2010!  You have all changed my life for the better, thank you so much for all of the interesting articles and smart posts.  Cheers!

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited December 2009

    Ditto the after rads advice. Detox is something you should really try. I wish I had known about NAC but I just found out about it, 2 years later! Iodine is a great detox too. Start rebuilding your immune system with lots of C and D too. You probably need at list 6000 IU of D and 2000mg of C a day. And start walking. The fresh air is a great detox and all that time to think, is a way to detox all the negative thoughts that come with cancer. It is a new year for a new you. Embrace it!

    Julie, don't beat yourself up about why you got bc, but it is really important to figure out why. I am still searching for all the reasons and learning new things everyday. I do not feel like I did things wrong and caused it. I feel like I need to know the causes so I can change things. My only regret is that I did not know what I did not know. I will never be so blind to my health again, and I can actually be thankful to cancer for that. I will never take my doctor's words as gospel. I now will doctor shop as much as I have to in order to find those who really want to heal and prevent disease instead of just run tests and prescribe drugs. Don't look back, except to learn is my motto.

    I too have always had dark circles. I thought it was just my Italian heritage, since most of my family has them too. I am learning that nutrition does make a difference. I ran into an herbalist at the market one day and she said dark circles were a sign of adrenal fatigue and kidney distress. I am sure with all the detoxing I am doing, my kidneys are working overtime. So in Jan. I will be looking into my adrenals with all my other tests. Oh, and drinking more water is a good suggestion. Gotta keep things flushing!

    HAVE A HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY AND HEALTHY HEALTHY HEALTHY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!

    good riddance to 2009-don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

  • jduford
    jduford Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2009

     Happy New Year.... I can't say that I will miss some things about 2009!!!!

    Deanna you are so right!  It is so much easier to say no to things that I don't have time for or don't really want to do... Iwas not good at that before.  I think it is very important to stay positive  and look at what we have learned from this journey.  Now I chuckle at people who get all wrapped up over really trivial things!

    Vivre,

    Amen  to good riddance for 2009... As for the DR.  shopping I totally agree, I wish I would have had someone pushing me  to be more selective with my Oncologist.  As it was I have now changed Dr.  however  dealt with an Oncologist all through treatment  only because I didnt' have the knowledge or the energy to  search elsewhere.  Although she was a very sweet lady, she actually spent half of one of my appointments discussing  my side effects then realized she had me confused with another young patient of hers....ughhh!  Not all things about BC are negative..I am definitely a changed person for the better.

    I hope everyone is blessed this New Year with Health and Happiness!  May we all toast with a green smoothie at midnight!!

    Julie

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 642
    edited December 2009

    Julie, amen to your amen and good riddance to 09. I totally agree with you about the bc not being all negative. I have learned so much from this experience. I too am definitely a changed person for the better. I have learned to trust the Lord. I am trying to be more calm, although I was not calm when my daughter (17) called home crying because she rear-ended someone last night! The way she was crying I thought she was a goner!!! I should have known better because she has always been a drama queen!!!

    Forget the green smoothie I will toast with champaign (a girl has to live Kiss).

    Happy New Year to all and many blessings for 2010

    Patty

  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 372
    edited December 2009

    Julie - I am with you on the green smoothie!

    Happy, healthy new year to you all! This has been one heck of a year. Too much drama for me. I will be happy to see it go! 2010 will be a better year for sure.

    Thank you all for all of your insight, advice, support and knowledge. You all have really helped me through all this more than you will ever know.

    Hugs to all! 

  • mandy1313
    mandy1313 Member Posts: 978
    edited January 2010

    Just want to stop by and wish all of you a wonderful new year of health, happiness and serenity. 

    Many hugs.

    Mandy

  • hlth4513
    hlth4513 Member Posts: 161
    edited January 2010

    I wanted to introduce myself. This is my first post. I was diagnosed with breast cancer in July. I have been spending the past weeks(months) reading through all of these wonderful posts and absorbing it all like a sponge.  You are all so prolific, I wasn't sure I would ever catch up with all the posts, but I did. It was heartbreaking to get to the part where I learned of FLA Lady's passing and I was happy to see that anomdet came back to posting after her short departure. I think Timothy should get the Husband of the Year award and Nan, the mother of the year award.  Vivre, your Prevention Convention sounds like you have really found your passion. To all of you - Thank-you for being there when I needed you the most!

    My husband  says I am getting my Masters in Breast Cancer and it does feel that way.  This journey has been both stressful and exciting. I shed many, many tears over whether or not to do the Armidex that my oncologist prescribed. Fortunately my oncologist had given me the gift of time - delaying my taking the Arimidex script for several months and I decided that I would spend that time wisely and educate myself.  I went to  the forum on Arimidex and for days bawled my eyes out reading the horror stories on side effects. Then I miraculously jumped to this forum and you all gave me the courage to trust my instincts and investigate  another path. I do not criticize anyone who takes ARimidex. I just knew that wasn't right for me. I just couldn't  wrap my head around the fact that removing all of the estrogen from our bodies is a good thing. I also refused to believe my oncologist's statement that "what you eat doesn't matter" - of course in the next breath she tells me not to eat soy. I do not have a death wish - I just needed to really own my treatment plan and it needed to make sense for me.

    What I really wanted to do was to find out some of the root causes and address them. Even though my mother had died of breast cancer - Like many of you - I thought I was healthy - I worked out intensely, I was on Bio-identicals, did yoga , had been on Iodoral for two years, I had been a  Raw vegetarian for two years  and still ended up with Breast Cancer.  There had to be some underlying factors!

    Like many of you - I am doing a lot. I learned early on that I wasn't going to find "one" doctor or  "one" supplement  that would be the answer. I have a team of doctors and an extensive protocol of supplements. It is still a work in progress. I may have to come out of retirement and  get a job to pay for everything I am doing - but I think that may be part of my healing - to find my new purpose and passion. I felt really good when I went to my oncologist two weeks ago and returned the script for Arimidex and instead handed her a six page protocol on what I was doing and why.

    In my quest I have a learned so much and I am still learning. I have hesitated posting as I wasn't sure what I had to contribute - but I thought after reading all of the posts, that I would start posting and add a few things that I have learned that might be of help to others.

    I am not sure about forum etiquette and posts - but I think I will try and post each of these things separately.

    Happy New Year's to everyone! Each of you is helping me actually look forward to what the New Year brings!

    Beth

  • Jennyi1
    Jennyi1 Member Posts: 81
    edited January 2010

    Hello Ladies

    Deb- The web site is actually MYCHELLEUSA.com and the eye cream is called Magnolia fresh eyes (it is actually new). Hopefully this will help you find it. I actually replenished my supply 2 weeks ago. Let me know if this worked for ya. Smile

     Beth-WELCOMESmile and like you, when I first started reading this site, I absorbed every bit of it like a sponge as well. You will love this site.

    Wishing everybody a SAFE, HAPPY and HEALTHY NEW YEAR!!!! 

    Jenny. 

  • althea
    althea Member Posts: 506
    edited January 2010

    Welcome to the thread deb and beth.  Deb, I use a champion juicer.  It's over 20 years old (sat idle most of that time) and I'm just now needing a new part.  I haven't ordered it yet, but I looked up their site last year and it looks like they're still selling the same model, so I should be able to get new parts.  I resumed juicing a full 2 years ago and as of august of last year I've been consistently juicing every single day, often 2-3 times a day.  I haven't tried wheatgrass, but I include sprouts and parsley in my green lemonade.  Some combinations will bog down but overall I can get juice from any green I want.  You definitely want a masticating juicer.  Centrifugal won't suit your needs. 

    Beth, so sorry to hear of your dx, especially in light of all the clean living you've already adopted.  Just goes to show, there's no guarantee in anything we choose.  Still, all that raw food and yoga must be putting you in better shape to conquer your disease than if you were eating hamburgers and milkshakes every week.  

    As for microwaves, I haven't had one since my ex moved out and took the microwave with him.  I decided my life would be better without either one of them, and I was right.  Yesterday was my 6-year anniversary of my divorce being final.  I didn't really want it to be happening during the holidays, but dang it's hard to get cooperation from a passive aggressive knucklehead.  I consider my own holiday miracle that he finally cooperated when he did. 

    I lift my glass and propose  a toast to 2010 being a better year for all of us.  

  • Jennyi1
    Jennyi1 Member Posts: 81
    edited January 2010

     
    Here-Here altheaSmile (It's champagne in the glasses right?)
     
    Jenny. 
  • deni63
    deni63 Member Posts: 372
    edited January 2010

    Beth welcome! Glad you decided to post. You will love it here!

  • anondenet
    anondenet Member Posts: 261
    edited January 2010

    Welcome Beth,

    Thank you for your detailed story. You have really done your homework. Kudos to you. These women are wonderful :)

    anom

  • hlth4513
    hlth4513 Member Posts: 161
    edited January 2010
    • - I know a lot of you are tracking your 2OH:16Oh ratios. I am due for a follow-up test after several months on DIM, I3C and flaxseed. I found this interesting summary by Dr, Jonathan Wright. A lot isn't new info - but I liked hearing his suggestion for the EQ quotient and I had never read that info before on 2-methoxyestradial. I initially did not know to test my 4OH and now that I know I have a genetic predisposition to produce too much - I was looking for a test that included both 2OH:16Oh and 4OH. I found this test at Meridian Valley. Metametrix and Genova have similar tests, but I believe this one is the best pricing at $190. The 24 Hour Urine test is what Dr. Wright references in his article. I apologize for pasting such a long article - but it is a bit hard to get to at Meridian Valley's website.
    • I had read that a good 2OH:16OH ratio was over 2.0. Mine was actually 2.08 a month after diagnosis and taking I3C-, but I have been told by my functional medicine doctor that for breast cancer patients - it should be between 3.5-4.5. I know that if it gets too high - it increases the risk for osteoporosis - so I am re-testing this month to see how the I3C and DIM and flaxseed have helped.
    • I apologize for pasting such a long article - but it is a bit hard to get to at Meridian Valley's website. http://www.meridianvalleylab.com/technews.html; CLICK ON: Bioidentical HRT risks you want to know about.
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        • - 4 ways to keep tabs on your

    cancer risk

    There's one more precaution to

    keep in mind with BHRT, and this

    one is definitely the biggest. I'm referring

    to cancer risk. But before you get

    worried, keep in mind that BHRT

    can actually help you decrease your

    risk of this dreaded disease. The key

    is to keep an eye on some very specific

    risk factors.

    Let's start with the factors women

    need to know about.

    There are four main markers to

    consider. First on the list is the estrogen

    quotient, or EQ.

    The estrogen quotient (EQ) is determined

    by dividing the total estriol

    by the sum of estrone and estradiol.

    (In mathematical terms it looks like

    this: EQ = E3 / E1 + E2). An EQ that

    is greater than one indicates a lower

    risk of estrogen-related cancer.3 And

    in order to have an EQ that's greater

    than one, your urine test needs to

    show more estriol than etrone and

    estradiol.4

    One thing to keep in mind: The

    EQ cannot be determined from blood

    testing, since the half-life of estriol in

    the blood is very short.5 Unfortunately,

    conventional physicians unaware

    of this fact often claim that

    estriol is only secreted and found during

    pregnancy, which definitely isn't

    the case. To get an accurate estriol

    measurement and to determine your

    EQ, you'll need to do a urine test that

    measures urine samples collected over

    a 24-hour period.

    The second cancer risk factor is

    one you may recognize if you've been

    reading Nutrition&Healing for

    awhile-the "2/16" ratio. Like the

    EQ, testing your 2/16 ratio can also

    be done with a 24-hour urine test.

    The 2/16 ratio looks at the

    amount of 2-hydroxyestrogens in

    your body in relation to the amount

    of 16-alpha-hydroxyestrogens. "16ahydroxyestrogens"

    are pro-carcinogens,

    but the "2" type are not, so it's

    safer to have significantly more "2"

    than "16a." However, you don't

    want too much more "2" than

    "16a," since that's been shown to be

    associated with excess osteoporosis

    risk. As is so often the case, correct

    balance is the key!

    The last cancer risk factors women

    using BHRT need to keep an eye on

    are estrone and 4-hydroxyestrone.

    Estrone and 4-hydroxyestrone are

    individual estrogen metabolites. If either

    one is elevated, it is associated

    with increased cancer risk. So even

    though every woman has some level

    of each, you want as little as possible.

    By contrast, 2-methoxyestradiol is an

    extremely potent anti-carcinogen, and

    you want as much of this estrogen as

    you can get! (For complete details

    and references concerning 2-methoxyestradiol,

    see the February 2008

    issue of Nutrition&Healing.)

    Again, a 24-hour urine test can tell

    you if your levels of estrone or 4-hy-droxyestrone are elevated. If they

    are-or if testing shows any of these

    markers point to increased risk, there

    are steps you can take to reverse it.

    Easy strategies for keeping

    cancer risk as low as possible

    Let's start with the EQ. If your EQ

    is less than one, you can almost always

    boost your estriol production

    with either iodine or iodide. (For the

    technically inclined, iodine and iodide

    induce the pathway from estrone →

    16a hydroxyestrone → estriol, E1 →

    16aOHE1 → E3). Six to eight drops

    of Lugol's iodine daily (equivalent to

    three to four tablets of Iodoral or capsules

    of i-Throid) or four to six drops

    of SSKI daily for 30 to 60 days will

    usually bring an EQ back up to

    greater than one.

    After your EQ is normalized, continue

    taking two drops of Lugol's iodine

    daily (or one Iodoral or i-Throid

    tablet or capsule daily), not only to

    support your EQ, but also to significantly

    reduce your breast cancer risk.

    Just make sure to have your thyroid

    function tested periodically if you exceed

    this amount of iodine long-term.

    And it's not a good idea to use SSKI

    for long-term maintenance, since it's

    not "balanced" with both iodide and

    iodine.

    SSKI is available by prescription

    (through compounding pharmacies)

    and over-the-counter as "Tri-

    Quench" from natural food stores

    and the Tahoma Dispensary (see the

    "Alternative Health Resources" box

    on page 8 for Dispensary contact information).

    Lugol's iodine is available

    only by prescription, but Iodoral

    tablets and i-Throid capsules contain

    exactly the same amount of iodine

    and iodide as Lugol's and both are

    available from all three sources listed

    above.

    Boost your protection with

    Brussels sprouts

    If your 2/16 ratio is too low, you

    can often bring it into the normal

    range simply by eating more vegetables

    from the Brassica family (also

    known as cruciferous or mustard

    family vegetables). Broccoli, cauliflower,

    cabbage, Brussels sprouts, bok

    choy, mustard greens, and kale are all

    good options. These foods contain

    natural substances which shift more

    estrone towards 2-hydroxyestrone

    and away from 16-alpha-hydroxyestrone.

    Flaxseed and soy also help

    this metabolic shift.

    Supplemental indole-3-carbinol

    (I3C) and di-indolylmethane (DIM)

    can also raise the 2/16 ratio. But it is

    possible to "overdose" on I3C or

    DIM. In some people, more than a little

    of these supplements can shift so

    much estrone away from 16-alphahydroxyestrone

    that not enough estriol

    is produced to maintain a

    healthy EQ. In that case, you need to

    reduce your dose of DIMor I3C.

    (And just to put your mind at ease, an

    abnormally elevated 2/16 ratio is

    quite rare except in cases of I3C or

    DIMexcess.)

    The simple switch that makes a

    big difference

    One of the most common causes

    of high estrone (E1) is oral supplementation

    of DHEA: If you're taking

    oral DHEA by swallowing a capsule,

    the DHEA will frequently show up as

    high E1 on the 24-hour urine test.

    But if you switch your DHEA supplement

    to a transdermal or transmucosal

    crème (which is Nature's

    preferred delivery route), this effect

    almost always vanishes. (And, even

    better, DHEA is much more effective

    this way.)

    Specific supplements to

    consider

    Since 4-hydroxyestrone is the most

    potent estrogenic carcinogen (and

    precursor of carcinogens), you definitely

    want as little of it as possible.

    And the best solution for lowering an

    elevated 4-hydroxyestrone level is to

    use "methyl-group-donating" supplements

    to raise levels of the very potent

    anti-carcinogenic estrogen

    metabolite, 2-methoxyestradiol. As 2-

    methoxyestradiol goes up, 4-nydroxyestrone

    usually goes down. These

    supplements include the methylcobalamin

    form of vitamin B12, the methylfolate

    form of folate/folic acid,

    S-adnosylmethionine (SAMe), betaine,

    and glutathione.

    Follow-up testing-usually in two

    to three months-will tell you if these

    or any of the other risk factors have

    been favorably affected

  • jduford
    jduford Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2010

    Patty  sorry to hear about your daughter's crash, I am assuming she is okay. Interestingly my 16 year old daughter with her two friends in the car  rearended a truck on the way home  this spring. No one was hurt, but I know exactly what that phone call is like.  Kids!    I was going through treatment at the time and it was one of the things that I used to  keep things in perspective.... I reminded myself it could always be worse. I would go through BC  hundred times if I could keep my kids safe.

    K here is to a year with happy healthy families and Clean check ups!!!

  • jduford
    jduford Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2010

    HI Beth!

     I can't tell you how reassuring it is to hear your story.  I think my husband thought I was obsessed because of the way I was digging for information.  It is great to hear how many other people reacted the same way... I think  I did it because it gave me some sense of control  when  things started spinning out of control.  Throughout your  treatment did you ever run into anyone and ask them whay type of chemo they had or what their diagnosis was etc, and they  didn't know?????  I was amazed at the trust they put in the DR.s  hands.

    Julie

  • hlth4513
    hlth4513 Member Posts: 161
    edited January 2010

    Hi Jduford-

    I think you are right about the control thing.

    It isn't my nature at all, but I do understand why some people do not want to know the details. I think it is their nature and their form of coping.

    The hardest thing for me has been when friends ask me questions and I start talking about how they can prevent breast cancer and I lose them at "cruciferous vegetables". My own sister just had biopsy for microcalcifications. SHe has a sister with breast cancer and a mother who died of breast cancer and she told me she is taking her Vitamin D and Calcium and just hoping for the best. SHe doesn't want to hear the rest.

    For me - Knowledge is POwer - for others I think Ignorance is Bliss!

     Beth

  • poolgirl
    poolgirl Member Posts: 46
    edited January 2010

    Happy New Year to you all! Hi Mandy!! I love to read all of the posts here! you guys are so inspirational! :) I am well and happy for the new year to begin, I had too many surgerys and BC to want to hang on to last year. Best wishes to all of you and blessings of luck and prosperity as well.  I do want to ask about sprouts. If anyone is growing their own... My sprouter states to soak seeds in 1 part bleach to 9 parts water before starting seeds. Is this necessary ? I am concerned about adding chemicals to my seeds.  Any comments?

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 881
    edited January 2010

    HLTH-I could have written your first post 2 years ago. It was my anxiety over arimidex that brought me here too, except that back then, it was a very hostile place, with just a few au naturels and lots of bashers. We have come a long way baby! Glad to have you newbies join us in this new year. And that was a really great summary of hormones. Maybe we should all send it to our doctors.

    One of my holistic doctors said something really interesting to me. She said that it is women like us who will be the fuel for change. She said that as a doctor, her hands are tied. She cannot advocate without fear of losing her liscense because she is required to follow the standard  protocols. But we women can demad that we be taken seriously when we say no to one of these protocols, like arimidex that freak us out. As more and more of us find success with alternatives, our numbers will not be denied. As we do follow up blood and urine tests that prove that our numbers are changing because of what we do, we will have the proof that they need to go. I was very motivated by Dr. Ray Strand's book, "What your doctor doesn't know about Nutriton". Dr. Strand was a conventional doctor, all the way, but when one of his patients cured her chronic pain, when he had failed after many years, he asked her what she did, and got is wife on the protocol. Lo and Behold, he finally cured his wife! From the on he changed his practice. So the more of us there are, the more impact we are going to have. That is why I am committed to starting the prevention convention movement. I sure hope all of you will join me. If you cannot come, I will be giving you info about how to do one in your area. I am still working out details and hope to really get it off the ground now that the holidays are over.

    Lydia, I just got a sprouter for Christmas! I am really looking forward to doing so. A friend of mine has been sprouting for a while now and loves it. I got a kit that has the sprouter, lots of seeds and an instruction book. I have not had time to read it yet but I will see what it says about soaking seeds. I just would NEVER imagine using bleach! Chlorine is toxic and causes cancer. That sounds just crazy. We take iodine to chelate out the chlorine in our systems from our water supply. I cannot imagine purposely injesting it.

    Althea-Your microwave comment made me laugh. You nuked your husband! LOL I tried to suggest to my DH to get rid of it but he just laughed. He has the need for speed. So I just stand back when he plays with his toy and heat everything on the stove. I have been able to convert him on some things but not this one. But I am not going to toss him out at this point! Yet.

  • seaotter
    seaotter Member Posts: 642
    edited January 2010

    Julie - Yes, my DD is fine. She was a mess that night! She won't be driving for awhile!!!! One of my DD best friend was killed in an auto accident when I was going through chemo. I was so sick I could not go to the funeral and be there for my DD. It was a horrible time for us. I too would go though anything to keep my kid safe. Too bad it doesn't work that way!!!! 

    Beth - Welcome and thanks for your great posts. I chuckled about getting a masters in breast cancer!!!! I wish I could afford a team of doctors!!!

    Althea -  Your microwave comment made me laugh also! Thanks a laugh is always helpful Laughing. The only thing I use it for is to warm up my coffee sometimes. Sure was an expensive warmer!

    Patty

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 624
    edited January 2010

    Re microwaves:  After reading some of the posts here about microwaving destroying all nutrients, I decided to do some research (going to sites that do not sell anything).  The clearest info came from a reg'd dietitian in Toronto, Leslie Beck, who writes a weekly column in the Globe & Mail (a highly-respected news source) and also contributes to CTV, a national TV network.

    She states that veggies cooked in a microwave retain more nutrients compared to boiling or steaming and the reason is the relatively short cooking time.  However, these same veggies do lose most of their antioxidants when microwaved -- much more so than steaming.

    Obviously, the best solution is to eat veggies raw, but, if you're already taking anti-oxidant supplements, can't digest/don't enjoy raw veggies, and require the many other nutrients in cooked veggies, maybe the best answer is to microwave, and using a little bit of water, put the setting on low or medium, cover and let veggies steam in the microwave (for a shorter period of time than steaming on the stovetop).

    Personally, I seldom use the microwave, and either steam or roast my veggies.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 2,701
    edited January 2010

    Hi, Beth ~ Welcome, and thanks for sharing your story.  You sound like so many of us!   And, Julie, you are so right about the surprising number of women who literally do not even know what type of bc they have, or why they're doing a particular tx.  And then there are the ones who talk about their limp nodes!  That always cracks me up!

    Patty, I'm so glad your daughter is okay.  Was there much damage to her car?  These are hard lessons to watch our kids learn, but I guess we can be grateful when they happen as your DS's did -- without injury, but scary enough to get her attention and hopefully make her a very attentive driver in the future. 

    Deb, a fish oil (Omega3's) is an excellent one to be on.  D3 is another one you might want to look into -- maybe even ask one of your docs for some basic bloodwork, so that you know where you're starting out, and include a test for Vitamin D, which is an important cancer-fighting nutrient, and one that many women dx'd with bc turn out to be low in.

    Linda, interesting on microwaving, and I think that makes sense.  Thanks for researching it.  I've been using mine less in the past week and asking my family to do the same.    

    Here's to a very happy & healthy New Year for us all!          Deanna