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good morning.
Keeping it short. Crazy back pain is debilitating. Don't want to take even more meds and be knocked out all day with kids home. Trying to suck it up but double ouch
Hootie hoo
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Patty- hugs. I wish your pain meds would help better.
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Hi lovely beautiful ladies.
Patty, ah the sacrifice of a mother. Have you tried acupuncture? Some insurance companies pay for the service now. Check with your medical team if it's ok for you to have the procedure.
Jazzy, I'm thinking about requesting to see the 'Breast' doc instead of my MO. Breast Doc seems more on top of things than MO.
Ms. Sas, I don't think it's sciatica I am having because the pain/discomfort is different. The stretch and yoga posts seem to help. I think the lumbar and right hip pain might be brought on by my playing badminton. A lot of quick movement and getting into the position similar to fencing. Thank you for the info.. Btw, I think I am going to skip the finger up the rectum and sx to mange it haha.got to go. Appt with doc coming up
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Loveroflife- I see both and think they both offer different perspectives. Where I ran into problems is with with the AIs. My BS had me see an MO out of state during my rads treatment in AZ, but then was trying to manage everything around that for the longer term. Some docs have double specialties, this BS does not. I talked to my PCP about it at the time and said "am I not supposed to have a whole medical team?" She said yes I am, and had heard the BS was short cutting others too. So I got established with one here in my city and really like him. I will see him next visit in Jan 2016, instead of the CNP.
If your MO is not helping you and feeling part of your medical team, maybe see if you can get another? My PCP was the one who found the right MO here for me, not the BS.
Ugh, my cold is kicking my butt again today!
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great pics everyone.
Chevy, you are doing better than me in your garden, I don't have a kneeler, I have a little bench .
Yoga...ha, I think I would break. Have never been a stretcher, I should, it's great for you...to many of those ants in my pants, gotta , run, bike, fast walk , whatever .....but I can't touch my toes ...lol. Should really work on that.
I was reading sas post on piriformis, thought I was still reading chevy's post and thought, oh my gosh, now we have two of them. Has Chevy been holding back. Then a saw it was our sas.....still waiting for you to send me my brain sas.
Going to doc today to check out the cervix who popped out to say hi.
Have a good day all
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Yay Jazzy!!
Patty, ask for the fentanyl patches. Sas has used them, can tell you more. I lurk on a back pain board, people there say they really help. You don't get goofy. It just cuts the pain down.
I'm all for less doc appts. Saw my PCP last week, most of his news wasn't wonderful. No cancer, but the rest of me is deteriorating. Mainly cardiac. Thank you adriamycin.
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Loverly, I didn't say sciatica, I said priformis is an appropriate rule out. Give the post another read. It's important to know how sciatica and priformis differ in order to assure a correct dx. Loverly, slow down, can't skim my writings, too technical.
Susan, damn lost that brain. I was reading to many studies and it just decided to disappear
Patty, so sorry that the backs messing with you. Does moist heat help? You would need a long heating pad. Moist (well rung out) warm towel. Moist heat allows for deep muscle warming. When done along with pain meds can be helpful. Goes back to the polio days
Jazzy nice YAY advancing.
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Patty, Fentanyl is great. super pain relief. 25 mcg to start I'll link a thread I worked on. It's an inactive thread now. I use it to store drug info.
https://community.breastcancer.org/forum/102/topic/826526?page=1
Loverly, I threw in some more Piriformis words to keep you on track.
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(ears perk up at piriformis) Not cancer-related, though something I'm interested in. Just one of the words I had to learn how to both spell and pronounce over the course of figuring out what was wrong with my own personal spinal parts.
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Queenie it's a real pain it the butt
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Chevy our birthdays are on Thursday and Friday Do we have a plan?
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Yes, piriformis is a real pain in the butt.
Jazzy, try to rest (easier said than done).
Susan, hope doc can help you with the cervix non surgically if there is such a thing. Maybe he can guide it back in where it belongs.
Patty, consider Fentanyl if you have not already tried it. The other option is Lidocaine patches. You can still be on your MS Contin. When you take MS Contin, try not to take it with high fat meal as it may delay absorption of morphine from the sustain release preparation. Hey, I talk like I know what I am talking about heh.
Ms. Spookie, oh so sorry about your heart....that darn red devil!
Ms.Sas, I know you didn't say sciatica....I was just stating what I thought . You told me to ask for piriformis exam to rule out the cause of pain. I might have a mild form of ADD, but I do pay attention sometimes haha. I wish I had paid more attention yesterday when I tried to make appt with PCP. I went to the clinic today about 5 minutes late because I had forgotten where my PCP office was (this was as a result of having too many appts and because all my docs' offices are at the same huge facility). All their offices are located at different corners of the hospital. Why can't they keep them all together for people like me? Anyway, I came up to the receptionist's desk to check in, huffing and puffing because I was speed walking frantically looking for PCP's office. While waiting for her to punch in my information, I apologized profusely for being late. Receptionist, "I am sorry you don't have an appointment today". Me," Monday, 9:50 am with Dr. A-----". Receptionist( frowning and then looking sympathetically at me), "Wednesday, 9:50 am with Dr. A-----". I had never gotten my appt dates mixed up before. Felt like a fool. It was not my memory this time that betrayed me.... it was my ADD! I just had to laugh at myself....what else could I have done but paid more attention when I made the appt last night? Ineed a brain transplant!!
Edit to add: Did you intentionally misspell piriformis twice to see if I was paying attention?
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Sassy and Chevy- PAR- Tay. This birthday photo seems appropriate for this particular group!
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Falling uterus's: I was a brand new nursing assistant. Green as a granny apple. I went to take this woman's rectal temp. There was this bag. Hmm this was a girl?? I look up. She looked like a girl. I go find the nurse. Tell her what I saw. She comes back with me and checks. Not there. "Honest I saw this bag". Seriously, it looked like a scrotum. She looked at me like I was nuts. But she decided to check with the doc close by. Her uterus prolapsed and he pushed it backup.
Loverly, I'm confused now. but we are all loosing our minds. With piriformis. You could try the stretch--gently. If it's piriformis you will know it right away. It will feel like a good stretch right in the lower butt.
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Can't believe it This is THE stretch. A picture is worth a thousand words
Stretches for the piriformis
This is exactly what is accomplished in the stretches recommended by Douglas Keskula and Michael Tamburello in a 1992 article on treatments for piriformis syndrome.
[img width="480" height="250" class="wp-image-7723 alignleft" alt="crossover_stretch" src="http://runnersconnect.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/crossover_stretch.jpg" data-jpibfi-indexer="6" data-jpibfi-description="">
Supine piriformis stretch with a crossover (moving knee towards right shoulder)
[img width="480" height="242" class="wp-image-7724 alignleft" alt="supine_stretch_not_crossed_over" src="http://runnersconnect.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/supine_stretch_not_crossed_over.jpg" data-jpibfi-indexer="7" data-jpibfi-description="">,
Supine piriformis stretch without a crossover (moving towards right shoulder)
[img width="457" height="270" class="size-full wp-image-7725 alignleft" alt="opposite_assisted_stretch" src="http://runnersconnect.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/opposite_assisted_stretch.jpg" data-jpibfi-indexer="8" data-jpibfi-description="">
Supine piriformis stretch assisted by opposite leg (moving knee towards right shoulder)Keskula and Tamburello recommend starting with three sets of five to ten repetitions of each stretch two or three times per day.
Though Keskula and Tamburello only vaguely describe how long each stretch should be held (progressing “as tolerated” by the athlete), another paper by Pamela Barton at the University of Western Ontario in Canada recommends beginning with holding stretches for five seconds and gradually progressing over time to 60 seconds.
Now:
You should be gentle with the stretches, not overly aggressive—this may put too much stress on the already-irritated piriformis.
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sassy, pics didn't work. Try again.
Susan, how does a cervix pop out? Hopefully not painful. Glad I don't have any of that stuff anymore. I'm I still a girl? No girl parts, upper or lower! 😱
Rose, you lurking, have we made you laugh today. Hope you are comfortable. ((Gentle hugs))
So wHat are the birthday girls going to do, certainly not get into trouble?!
Have to go find an appropriate cake
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Isn't it just, now! (Doctors thought I might have it...until I asked, five years later, why my foot was numb.)
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Sas--when my piriformis issues get aggravated, I start leaning forward in my chair which stresses my lower back more plus my hips get out of place (right will sit about 2 inches higher than the left). It rollercoasters from there to my L5/S1 which then causes the my sciatica issues in my foot. Once I get my piriformis back on track, my lumbar issues subside. And it is a pain in the butt--usually right in the middle of my left cheek. I went to physical therapy for 3 weeks without any relief before one of my therapist's co-workers figured out it wasn't only my lumbar but my piriformis as well. Once we started working on that issue, it was only a few weeks before the pain went away completely.
Chevy--no wonder you injured you hip. STAY OFF THE POLE! Or you will need to grow WEED in parkway for the medicinal values.
Loverly--beautiful photos. This place is on my bucket list: http://www.treehousepoint.com/
And I can do that pose...hanging upside down over the sawhorse in my garage.
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Ms. Sas, you are confused??? Haha I guess we are even now. Read my post sloooowly. Not technical, but maybe full of grammatical errors. Soory.....
Ok I'm serious now. Thanks for the attempt to post the pics or maybe videos.
Queenie, what you talkin' about
Marlana, oooohh Tree House Point in Seattle...very nice.
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They're is allot on the internet. Didn't see the rectal exam. Did see some other ways to diagnose. Lot's more exercises than what I suggest. Different strokes, different folks. Yeah, that spot on the butt is nasty when it's the right spot. When the internal spot was pushed almost everyone would come off the table. Possibly the cases I saw with the pain docs were the more unusual ones. I only had to use the cross leg stretch.
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(taking notes on how to deal with cockeyed backs) Lover: progressive nerve compression that at one point presented as piriformis issues. Though by the end, the doctors thought I was a real piriformis in the butt, I"m sure.
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You're welcome.
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"almost everyone would come off the table."?....oh dear,I better not ask for the exam then or I might pull the doc down on the floor with me. I really appreciate your willingness to always want to help and your generosity with your time.
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Lol got it Queenie!
Hey Marlana, stupid question: do you get up often when you are at work? I find that driving or sitting for a long time irritates my right cheek. Your left side is affected right? Did you break any bone on the same side? I broke my foot in February 2013. I had a cast and was on the scooter for about 6 weeks. Orthopedic boots for another week and a half. I always wonder if that has anything to do with intermittent back/butt pain
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how does the cervix pop out....ha ha..funny question. Prolapse....don't know why. I thought it was cause my lower stomach muscle is in my boobs...doc said no. No clue why it happened. She said I had a beautiful cervix..lol I knew that cause I CAN SEE IT TOO. Ha ha....but it is in good shape. Doesn't like being outside so I guess it can get messed up. But I sometimes have my brain engaged. I have been aquaphoring since I saw it so its been wellness taken care of
. There is a ring they put inside and it can work well. So we did that today. Forgot the name. Starts with a p. But whatever, so far it's inside again. So hopefully we are good to go.Patty, sorry about pain, hope you get some relief .
Prayers to everyone else too, hope all is well
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Loverly--we have desks that raise up and down. I try to stand 15 minutes every hour but it tends to be more like every 2 hours. I've had 3 surgeries on my right knee for chronic traumatic patellar subluxation and I have a bad habit of using my left leg for everything. When I stand, I put my weight on my left leg, drop my right hip and rest my right foot on the my left calf which is what the therapist said is part of my problem because it contributes to my hip tilting. If I do get all out of whack, then sitting makes it worse which is why I lean forward and then that messes with my lumbar area. As long as I keep it stretched out and remember to stand even footed, I'm okay. They also said that I have an issue with my stride by short stepping on my bad side so I have to remember to stretch out my stride.
Sassy--when my (very good looking and young) male therapist said that if we couldn't get my piriformis issue fixed thru normal therapy, he was going to do an "internal release". So I asked if that meant what I thought it did and he said yes....awwwwkward...
Patty--feel better.
Roses--hope you are having a pain free day.
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Marla, guess I was lucky when mine seemed to freeze up. Could stand or lay down, nothing inbetween. But I stand for my job and layer on a combo of ice and heat and got deep massages. Took about a couple of months but finally got better. Mine occurred with a bad fall down the steps. Hope yours goes bette
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patty--I have back pain also. I know there are so many levels of pain. Mine starts at about T10 and goes down to L5. I've had a ton of mri's to try to figure things out. I've done meds, PT (more like massage), another PT that focused on fascia (not sure if I'm spelling that right)--that about sent me over the edge! No amount of stretching or muscle relaxation gives me any release. It could be nerve damage? Bone pain from degenerative discs? I take gabapentin for nerve damage and it helps with hot flashes! Two for one deal. Ha! I also take 20mg OxyContin extended release every twelve hrs plus 10mg oxycodone for breakthrough pain every 4-6 hrs as needed. But the real kicker--the less movement I do, the less pain. The more movement, lots of pain. This winter when I was super depressed and didn't get off the couch, my back was great! I've been painting my room the last two days (couldn't stand sea foam green any longer!) I'm dying here. I think acupuncture is a great suggestion. Please ask for more drugs!! You don't need to be in pain!
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Thanks, Susan. It's just a matter of staying on top of it and not letting it get bad. This my cool desk that goes up and down:
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Marlanab- TOO MANY SCREENS!
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