I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

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  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,704
    edited October 2020

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  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited October 2020

    Of COURSE Trump hasn't mentioned how Melania is doing--he doesn't know nor care about anyone but himself, because he is incapable of even thinking of others (except, of course, to childishly disparage his critics & rivals).

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Ruth, you were so right -- the Biden video was a breath of fresh air, and I was grinning from ear to ear at the end. And at the same time I am not at all surprised that Trump has not mentioned Melania. She is only important when she can do something FOR Trump but the rest of the time is worth very little and certainly is not imbued with his prominence and great stature. She is as un-thought of and un-important as any underling of his no matter who. I'm sure she doesn't care that much as long as her prenup holds together.

    Makes me wonder just what she may be thinking about the recent polls and the heavy damage Trump is doing to his campaign since his illness began.

    I do imagine that Trump demanded to know what txs. were possible for the virus and demanded them all. He has no one but himself to blame. Of course, he has access to these things, while no one else did. Well, he will have plenty of time for regret should he end up in that cold cell that he has also earned like no other. He has always made reference of having done everything others did only far better and bigger. So hoping his downfall will be able to be described in much the same way. That it is the biggest, dirtiest, ugliest, and that the government will take everything he has to recover its losses while he sits in a jail cell w/o so much as $10.00 to use in the prison canteen.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'Middle Age Riot @middleageriot Reporters are magicians who can make Republicans disappear by asking them about Donald Trump.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: 1 person, text that says 'Jeff Tiedrich @itsJeffTiedrich just this week, Trump has broken quarantine, played Wheezy Mussolini, misled about covid, promoted voter intimidation, infected the Pentagon brass and half the White House, killed the stimulus, crashed the markets and whined on twitter. and it's only Tuesday. holy fucking shit'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: 2 people, text that says 'How are so many people JUST NOW offended by Trump? It's like getting to the 7th Harry Potter book and realizing Voldemort might be a bad guy...'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    It also sounds like it was pretty much a surprise to everyone as he had to direct one of the photographers to get behind him. Must have thought of it as he was planning his escape from Walter Reed. Get up on the balcony...….Of course, it became obvious that he didn't have any idea how many steps he would have to go up to get there. It's a wonder he didn't have to hold onto the railing for support as he stood there.


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'US first @DonaldDuckslt YOU TOO CAN BEAT COVID! 1. At 1st sign, helicopter to best hospital 2. Check into 6 room suite 3. Get 24 hr team service 4. Get newest drugs & treatments 5. Return home to full time in-house medical staff & facility 6. Have govt. pay all bills 7. Tell everybody how easy it is.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: 2 people, text that says 'Sky Palma @DeadStateTweets This is aging beautifully. Donald J. Trump 10/24/14 The Ebola doctor who just flew to N.Y. from West Africa and went on the subway, bowling and dining is a very SELFISH man-should have known! 3:48 PM 10/5/20 Twitter Web App'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Totally correct ven diagram:


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Way to go coach:


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Why I like Matt Miller although I don't go on Twitter.


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: text that says 'The next fewweeks are going to be a Level 5 shit hurricane of trolls, bots, conspiracy theories, fake stories, hoaxes, and hit jobs. MAGA-land is in panic mode, and it will be ugly. Be careful, be skeptical, share good stuff, report bad stuff, and don't argue with idiots. Cசவமய'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Good Lord help me, I laughed to the point of tears --- but I'm not really ashamed of myself -- just curious now.


    Image may contain: 1 person, text that says 'SATIRE $20 says this isn't the first virus that Trump has picked up from an employee and passed onto Melania Note: not an actual by angerfield don't know where Trump contracted COVID.'

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Image may contain: 1 person, text that says 'Jeff Tiedrich @itsJeffTiedrich 000 wishing Donald Trump a speedy recovery so that he can return to the campaign trail, be crushed in a landslide and then arrested, stripped of his wealth, tried for his crimes and thrown straight the fuck into prison 9:34 PM Oct 2, 2020 Twitter Web App 1.5K Retweets 124 Quote Tweets 10.5K Likes'

  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 4,833
    edited October 2020

    Amen to that !!!

  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited October 2020

    I have a FB friend who is a real-life acquaintance (a talented downstate IL "Americana" singer-songwriter). She's also an "ultra-granola"-type who, while even more liberal than I, is very into "alternative health" and rabidly "anti-Pharma." She is on a rant about why Trump was given "multi-billion-dollar" treatments instead of hydroxychloroquine, which is much cheaper and--according to an Aussie ad exec/commentator's conspiracy-theory YouTube video she posted--"100% effective." She thinks that "Pharma" is "disparaging" and suppressing it because it's off-patent and thus too cheap to be a money-maker.

    Sigh--sometimes it's just as hard to argue with some people, most of whose political views match your own but who are single-issue-obsessed to such an extent that it ruins their general credibility. (My cousin's otherwise liberal widow, a lawyer herself, in Westchester County is actually considering voting only down-ballot because she's fixated on Harris' having dated SF mayor Willie Brown--who at the time was separated from his wife--at the beginning of her prosecutorial career. She accuses Harris of having "slept her way up the ladder," and that blind-spot is a total deal-breaker for her. At least NYS is safely "blue," but still...).

    Speaking of hydroxy, I said in my online reply to my FB friend that none of the infectious disease docs at Bob's 3 hospitals are prescribing it for COVID. I have since found out that one at a "failing" hospital--who recently retired and moved to FL--prescribed it once as a last resort to a ventilated COVID patient, who died of a massive arrhythmia not long after.

  • betrayal
    betrayal Member Posts: 3,319
    edited October 2020

    Sandy: And she thinks Trump's dicking around, while not used to "getting up the ladder", is admirable? He slept with wife # 2 before being divorced from wife #1 and same applies to his dalliance with Melania. Wow, talk about a double standard based on chauvinism and her seemingly inside track on Kamala's sexual history. Does dating always equate to sexual engagement?

    Hydroxychloroquine is appropriately prescribed to treat/prevent malaria caused by plasmodium parasites and as a DMARD for inflammatory diseases such as RA, lupus,etc. She needs do a little more reading but if it would cause an arrhthymia in DJT I would not be adverse to it being used. I do think he should also try injecting bleach, UV lights, etc. all that he touted as "cures". Ask your friend if she knows that he owns stock in the companies that supplied the drugs he received, at her expense because he knows if he recovers that the stock price will soar, putting money in his pocket. So her rant is welcome but needs some fact checking.

    These stories do provide for some lighter moments because they do have some humor attached but also some concerns.

    Love the meme about viruses being shared with Melania. I can hear him delivering that message. I second glennie's amen.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Wow---the memes, commentaries, quotes, etc today have been fantastic! I alternately howl with laughter and moan with distress.....thanks ladies for those....

    Love Lawrence Tribe.....I know when I click to him I'm gonna get good stuff......never disappoints.....


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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,297
    edited October 2020

    Betrayal, isn’t it amazing how trum supporters can overlook all of his multiple transgressions while condemning those they don’t support for even one mistake?

    I have lived both in San Francisco and the South Bay for over 30 years. Willie Brown separated from his wife in the mid-1970’s and I believe they still have not divorced. Kamala Harris did date him, at least 10-15 years after his separation, for a time but she would have had a successful career with or without that relationship.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

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  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Looks good...(But am holding my screams of joy close to my chest......will not forget 2016 and THAT EVENING the world began collapsing and hasn't stopped.....But still. But still. In the meantime. These #'s look good...)


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  • exbrnxgrl
    exbrnxgrl Member Posts: 5,297
    edited October 2020

    trill, you are much more of an emotional risk taker than I am. I can’t think about the polls. I’m just going to vote and hope that all compassionate, reasonable people in this country do too

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Ravelry--I normally don't watch polls but did this time....I'm with you....voting and hoping....


    Wow. From the New England Journal of Medicine.....

    Dying in a Leadership Vacuum.

    • The Editors

    Covid-19 has created a crisis throughout the world. This crisis has produced a test of leadership. With no good options to combat a novel pathogen, countries were forced to make hard choices about how to respond. Here in the United States, our leaders have failed that test. They have taken a crisis and turned it into a tragedy.

    The magnitude of this failure is astonishing. According to the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering, the United States leads the world in Covid-19 cases and in deaths due to the disease, far exceeding the numbers in much larger countries, such as China. The death rate in this country is more than double that of Canada, exceeds that of Japan, a country with a vulnerable and elderly population, by a factor of almost 50, and even dwarfs the rates in lower-middle-income countries, such as Vietnam, by a factor of almost 2000. Covid-19 is an overwhelming challenge, and many factors contribute to its severity. But the one we can control is how we behave. And in the United States we have consistently behaved poorly.

    We know that we could have done better. China, faced with the first outbreak, chose strict quarantine and isolation after an initial delay. These measures were severe but effective, essentially eliminating transmission at the point where the outbreak began and reducing the death rate to a reported 3 per million, as compared with more than 500 per million in the United States. Countries that had far more exchange with China, such as Singapore and South Korea, began intensive testing early, along with aggressive contact tracing and appropriate isolation, and have had relatively small outbreaks. And New Zealand has used these same measures, together with its geographic advantages, to come close to eliminating the disease, something that has allowed that country to limit the time of closure and to largely reopen society to a prepandemic level. In general, not only have many democracies done better than the United States, but they have also outperformed us by orders of magnitude.

    Why has the United States handled this pandemic so badly? We have failed at almost every step. We had ample warning, but when the disease first arrived, we were incapable of testing effectively and couldn't provide even the most basic personal protective equipment to health care workers and the general public. And we continue to be way behind the curve in testing. While the absolute numbers of tests have increased substantially, the more useful metric is the number of tests performed per infected person, a rate that puts us far down the international list, below such places as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia, countries that cannot boast the biomedical infrastructure or the manufacturing capacity that we have.2Moreover, a lack of emphasis on developing capacity has meant that U.S. test results are often long delayed, rendering the results useless for disease control.

    Although we tend to focus on technology, most of the interventions that have large effects are not complicated. The United States instituted quarantine and isolation measures late and inconsistently, often without any effort to enforce them, after the disease had spread substantially in many communities. Our rules on social distancing have in many places been lackadaisical at best, with loosening of restrictions long before adequate disease control had been achieved. And in much of the country, people simply don't wear masks, largely because our leaders have stated outright that masks are political tools rather than effective infection control measures. The government has appropriately invested heavily in vaccine development, but its rhetoric has politicized the development process and led to growing public distrust.

    The United States came into this crisis with enormous advantages. Along with tremendous manufacturing capacity, we have a biomedical research system that is the envy of the world. We have enormous expertise in public health, health policy, and basic biology and have consistently been able to turn that expertise into new therapies and preventive measures. And much of that national expertise resides in government institutions. Yet our leaders have largely chosen to ignore and even denigrate experts.

    The response of our nation's leaders has been consistently inadequate. The federal government has largely abandoned disease control to the states. Governors have varied in their responses, not so much by party as by competence. But whatever their competence, governors do not have the tools that Washington controls. Instead of using those tools, the federal government has undermined them. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which was the world's leading disease response organization, has been eviscerated and has suffered dramatic testing and policy failures. The National Institutes of Health have played a key role in vaccine development but have been excluded from much crucial government decision making. And the Food and Drug Administration has been shamefully politicized,3appearing to respond to pressure from the administration rather than scientific evidence. Our current leaders have undercut trust in science and in government,4causing damage that will certainly outlast them. Instead of relying on expertise, the administration has turned to uninformed "opinion leaders" and charlatans who obscure the truth and facilitate the promulgation of outright lies.

    Let's be clear about the cost of not taking even simple measures. An outbreak that has disproportionately affected communities of color has exacerbated the tensions associated with inequality. Many of our children are missing school at critical times in their social and intellectual development. The hard work of health care professionals, who have put their lives on the line, has not been used wisely. Our current leadership takes pride in the economy, but while most of the world has opened up to some extent, the United States still suffers from disease rates that have prevented many businesses from reopening, with a resultant loss of hundreds of billions of dollars and millions of jobs. And more than 200,000 Americans have died. Some deaths from Covid-19 were unavoidable. But, although it is impossible to project the precise number of additional American lives lost because of weak and inappropriate government policies, it is at least in the tens of thousands in a pandemic that has already killed more Americans than any conflict since World War II.

    Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.

    Disclosure forms provided by the authors are available with the full text of this editorial at NEJM.org.


  • blue22
    blue22 Member Posts: 172
    edited October 2020

    Does Pence make you feel like you are listening to Satan?

  • blue22
    blue22 Member Posts: 172
    edited October 2020

    I wish they could just cut people off when they refuse to answer the question...

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,704
    edited October 2020

    Except Satan is more straight forward, I believe.