I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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  • chisandy
    chisandy Member Posts: 11,408
    edited October 2020

    "Pretty fly on a white guy" (sorry, The Offspring. Couldn't get the strike-through icon to work).

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited October 2020

    Jackie, for me, the most interesting part of Steve Schmidt's tweet was this:

    “We hear from the White House and the campaign everyday. They are betraying you. They are looking to get out alive and salvage careers and their names. It's Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner vs. Donald Trump Jr., and Kimberly Guilfoyle on the inside.“

    Oh, that there would be those on the inside of the White House ratting out Trump. Including his offspring if that would be possible. Maybe they didn't even know how much money their father DOESN'T have so to stay yoked with him may not seem as appealing as before now that financial inheritance is nil.


  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 4,833
    edited October 2020

    WOW. Steve Schmidt really gave it to tRump!!! That was excellent!!

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    I certainly think this will happen:


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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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    Talking complete desperation here.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
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  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Love the memes and the quotes and commentaries.......

    Sandy, when you next chime in and if you would, would you explain why Hasidic Jews are so pro-Trump? I heard about that attack on that reporter and saw some very disturbing footage of protests up in NYC and had no idea they were for our Righteous One....could you explain that?

    Another question I've had is why are Hispanics pro-Trump?

    Sorry for being so behind in these matters!


    Love this James Baldwin quote:

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  • glennie19
    glennie19 Member Posts: 4,833
    edited October 2020

    Not sure about all Hispanics (definitely not my SIL who is from Nicaragua) but the Cubans in Miami/South FL have been Republican, as long as I can remember. Does it go back to Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs? I'm not sure, so I decided to Google it. And found this. https://medium.com/@fernanda.uriegas.fabian/why-do-many-cubans-vote-republican-a72c9831bbad

    And a quote from this article: "we always go Republican, there is nothing positive a Democrat can bring to those who have experienced socialism."

    And I don't understand,,, you don't want socialism,, but you are OK with accepting SS when you are eligible for it? If you are really against socialism, then you should not take SS. (My opinion and it goes for all my Trump-loving friends)

    Another quote: Suarez is against the Democratic party because she does not agree with the normalization of relations between the US and Cuba. "the embargo must be uplifted after agreements are reached about free and democratic elections," she says.

    A week ago, at a rally in Miami, Trump said he would cancel the deal Obama has established with Cuba unless he got "the treatment that Cubans, both here and in Cuba, deserve."

    So they do NOT want normalized relations between the US and Cuba, until Cuba is free. And Trump is pandering to this, for their vote.

    My Nicaraguan SIL says, she doesn't understand why they vote for Trump. "They came to this country, fleeing dictatorships! Why would you vote for one here?" My Cuban friend who is 50,(came over on the Mariel boat life) says she is voting Democratic, but her parents will vote Republican, she says she cannot convince them otherwise.

    The Cuban population in Miami/South FL is fairly large. Between them, and the white rednecks, is why FL is a very divided, hotly contested state during the elections. I live in a blue, liberal county, surrounded by a sea of red counties. We are like an island,,,

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Some people confuse acceptance with apathy but there's all the difference in the world. Apathy fails to distinguish what can and cannot be helped; acceptance makes the distinction. Apathy paralyzes the will-to-action; acceptance frees it by relieving it of impossible burdens. -Arthur Gordon

  • divinemrsm
    divinemrsm Member Posts: 6,614
    edited October 2020

    Oh I totally love this ray of hope, especially because it's been said Trump must win Florida for reelection:

    A warning sign for Trump: Florida seniors in a pro-Biden golf cart caravan

    By Associated Press. Oct. 9, 2020. 11:28 PM. THE VILLAGES, Fla. —



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    Sara Branscom's golf cart whizzed down the smooth asphalt path that winds through The Villages, the nation's largest retirement community, an expanse of beautiful homes, shops and entertainment venues that bills itself as "Florida's Friendliest Hometown."

    "This gets you rejuvenated and ready for the next month or so, so we can do this and win. It gives you hope," the 60-year-old retiree said. Then she let out a whoop and two surprising words: "Go Biden!"

    It's not a cry that might be expected to resound in The Villages, and it's certainly not one that is encouraging to President Trump. Older voters helped propel himto the White House — the Pew Research Center estimates Trump won voters 65 and older by 9 percentage points in 2016 — and his campaign hoped they would be a bulwark to cement a second term.

    Pew estimates that nationwide, nearly 1 in 4 eligible voters will be 65 and older. It's the highest level on record, going back to 1970.

    But there have been warnings that older voters are in play. Trump's campaign has seen a drop in support among seniors in its internal research, according to campaign aides, and some public polls suggest Democrat Joe Biden is running ahead or just even with Trump among older voters.

    Mostly, it seems, older voters have been put off by Trump's handling of the coronavirus, which affects them more acutely than other voters.

    The president has tried to shore up his popularity with older voters. He has emphasized themes of "law and order," and has warned that Democrats would preside over a sundering of the suburbs. He has promoted his prescription drug policy. And he has kept up steady visits to Florida — after Maine, the state with the oldest population — and advertised heavily there.

    On Thursday, the president released a video of himself standing on the White House lawn in which he called older adults "my favorite people." Noting that they are vulnerable to the virus, he asserted with no basis in fact that a medicine he said he was given in the hospital would be free to older people.

    But whatever improvement he saw is now in jeopardy. The president's own COVID-19 infection has refocused attention on the virus and his handling of it. If the 74-year-old Trump can't safeguard his own health, some wonder, how can he be trusted to protect other older people who are far more vulnerable?

    >>>On Wednesday, the scene in The Villages underscored that belief. An armada of as many as 500 golf carts gathered at the Sea Breeze Recreation Center to caravan to the nearby elections office to drop off ballots for Biden.

    If the slow moving, four-wheel show of force is an indication of growing allegiance to the Democrat among the retiree set, it would represent a substantial shift.

    Full article: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-10-09/a-senior-warning-sign-for-trump-go-biden-cry-at-villages?_amp=true

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    Glennie, I needed part of your explanation as well. Thanks. At this point I really can't see much of anyone really expecting anything good by voting for Trump. I know they will do it, but he is so desperately un-hinged and un-moored at present. Verbally a whole lot of Reps. are now backing off of Trump which is way too late -- but at least I have to say it is somewhat refreshing to hear some of them ( Ted Cruz ). We can't have much idea of what will ultimately happen since the monkey wrenches will be flying everywhere at election time -- but I think/pray to God that Biden and company have plenty in place as counter-actions to whatever nefarious avenues will/could be brought to bear.

    Barr and Pompeo and Meadows sound like they have nothing and I was mainly worried about a**-kissing Barr. Nothing to come out with Durham until after the election. Well that means there is nothing. Pompeo won't be showing up with anything viable either. With Meadows, I read that the other WH aides are furious with him as he is not helping or keeping them informed of what is going on ( especially the virus items ) and they can't then protest themselves. So much for the virused ( put in my dictionary for my use ) WH. They want him fired -- but I think -- will anyone be fired at this late date unless they make Trump so furious that he does it on the spot.

    Lastly, even with all his bloated ego issues and complete mental imbalances I am sort of surprised at Trump just strutting around like almost nothing has changed. Sounds like rally visits may be put off till first of the week. Maybe Trump really is in no shape to travel and realizes it and he may be hoping that things will right themselves more to needs and liking after the week-end. I can't see him standing up ANYWHERE for a long period of time shouting into a microphone in his shape. I felt like he would be more or less side-lined thru most of these last weeks. Others ( knowing he got drug therapies others don't ) have been out of commission for quite some time. Time will tell.

  • BlueGirlRedState
    BlueGirlRedState Member Posts: 900
    edited October 2020

    pupmom - that high resolution image of the fly just about made me pee my pants. I'd love to see a second debate if shock collars were required and the audience had control.

  • wren44
    wren44 Member Posts: 7,932
    edited October 2020

    Remember that the Cubans who support Trump and the republicans were the elite in Cuba who had the money to leave and who owned the mansions which were taken over by Castro to house the masses. No wonder they belong to the self-love group determined to stick it to the rest of us.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Thanks folks for explaining the pro-Trump Hispanics! I know more now!

    My friend who voted for DT in 2016 and is gonna do so again just kills me. She is the world's MOST paranoid, health-wise, person that I know--1000% self-protective, vigilant, wears an N95 mask, has UV lights to kill viruses/bacteria, showers after coming in from the rare shopping trip, etc etc....You know the drill. And yet she's FOR this monster of a president who lives (you know it) like a slob and would have her vomiting within five minutes of being in his presence I'm sure....who on top of being reckless with his own health is reckless with OURS. She just wrote "It's looking like they are going to boot Biden out of office immediately if he wins. Harris will take the President seat with AOC as VP. This is not good...."

    Wha----?

    I'm lost now.

    She's wondering where she can move to. Auckland? Vancouver Island?

    I want to tell her: "My friend, wherever you go, it won't be far enough. You're generating so many stress hormones with all your fears you are your own worst enemy..."

    But of course I say nothing. Just skim the topic.....



    Saw this below and had to laugh out-loud.....

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  • erento
    erento Member Posts: 187
    edited October 2020

    Well Trill, she will be disappointed in Auckland or Vancouver Island, they're as leftie as Harris and AOC (if not more)! Maybe she should consider moving to The Philippines or Russia, the leaders there seem to be more her style.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

    ErenTo: Great point. I was wondering how her choices could work. Then again, even if she were to choose Philippines or Russia she sounds as though another batch of things to be squeamish and upset about would turn up. Paranoid people need a focus point of some kind, don't they. I feel for your friend Trill. Most people, even when upset reach comparative spots where they can take most things in stride. I would find it hard to be her, but she would find it just as hard to change places.

    Coming back to say I got a good laugh out of Ivanka Trump feeling like maybe she needs to be adopted by Biden.

  • illinoislady
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  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,704
    edited October 2020

    Well, good luck leaving. No other country will let us in right now thanks to our fearless leader's handling of the Trump Virus.

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    Hah-hah! Jackie, thanks for that! I needed that--the laugh, not the flyswatter. The flies are all gone from here--they're holding their annual convention at Number One Observatory Circle.....


    Ruth--so right! I want to tell my friend that but am holding back......there are so MANY things I could point out to her but have not indulged myself.....but would sure love to!

  • illinoislady
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  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
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    October 9, 2020 (Friday)The major, obvious, in-your-face story of the day is that the president is melting down. He has spent much of the last two days calling in to the Fox News Channel and Rush Limbaugh's radio show and ranting in a manic way that suggests he is having trouble with the steroids he is taking for his illness. In an interview with Rush Limbaugh today, Trump boasted that "our nuclear is all tippy top now," and said about Iran, "If you f*** around with us, if you do something bad to us, we're gonna do things to you that have never been done before." He tweeted that "Obama, Biden, Crooked Hillary and many others got caught in a Treasonous Act of Spying and Government Overthrow, a Criminal Act. How is Biden now allowed to run for President?" This is pure fiction, of course, but his campaign later put it in a fundraising email. The repercussions from the September 26 event in the Rose Garden celebrating Trump's nomination of Amy Coney Barrett for the Supreme Court continue to pile up. Today, news broke that a teacher and two students from the school some of Barrett's children attend have tested positive for coronavirus. This may or may not be related to the White House event, of course, but it increases attention to the irresponsibility of the organizers and attendees of that event. It doesn't help that, when interviewed on MSNBC, White House spokesman Brian Morgenstern refused six times to say when Trump had last tested negative for coronavirus, indicating that either he was not regularly being tested—contrary to what the White House said—or he tested positive earlier than the public knows. Today, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, acknowledged that September 26 White House celebration was a superspreader event. Trump has backed out of the scheduled October 15 presidential debate because the Commission on Presidential Debates decided to hold it virtually out of concerns about coronavirus. Biden, who was fine with doing the debate virtually, will appear alone in a town hall event on same night.Although Trump has not yet been cleared for interactions with people again, today the White House announced that Trump has invited 2000 people for a rally on the South Lawn of the White House Saturday—another violation of the Hatch Act, which still matters for all that it seems to be taking a back seat to the issue of the administration's disregard for public safety. The president will speak to the crowd from a balcony. This "peaceful protest for law & order" is supposed to be the precursor to him returning next week to full-time campaigning. The president insists he is fine, and that the danger of the coronavirus has been overblown. Last month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention drafted an order for masks on all public transportation, but Vice President Mike Pence, who heads the White House Coronavirus Task Force, refused even to discuss it. Trump's reelection pitch is that the coronavirus is not a big deal, and we should just live with it. He told Limbaugh: "People are going to get immediately better like I did. I mean, I feel better now than I did two weeks ago. It's crazy…. And I recovered immediately, almost immediately." Today more than 850 Americans died of Covid-19, bringing our official total to more than 213,000.As their chief is imploding, lots of key Republican players are silent. A number of people who were at the September 26 event have gone off the radar screen, including Attorney General William Barr. Barr has, though, told top Republicans that the review of the origins of the Russia probe by his own, hand-picked investigator after the Inspector General for the Department of Justice determined the investigation had been begun legitimately and conducted without political bias, will not be out before the election. Barr had been promising the release of the report by U.S. Attorney for the District of Connecticut John Durham in time to sway voters, although such a release ran contrary to DOJ policies. Last month, top aide to Durham Nora Dannehy resigned from the investigation, allegedly out of concerns about political pressure. The comments of a Republican congressional aide to Axios confirm that this "investigation" was about politics: "This is the nightmare scenario. Essentially, the year and a half of arguably the number one issue for the Republican base is virtually meaningless if this doesn't happen before the election."Congressional Republicans are also wildly silent about the president's behavior, except for inklings they are distancing themselves from him and focusing on the confirmation of Barrett to the Supreme Court. Even this, though, does not suggest great support for Trump. To the contrary, Republicans appear to be determined to jam her through because they expect Trump to lose the election. Although 59% of Americans think the next president should fill the seat, and although the Senate is ignoring a desperately needed coronavirus relief bill, they are planning to shepherd her through to a seat on the court before November 3.Today, the second debate between Democratic challenger Jaime Harrison and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) was cancelled when Graham refused to take a coronavirus test despite the fact he was exposed to the virus on October 1 at a meeting that included Mike Lee (R-UT) who has since tested positive. Graham is the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and a positive test would delay the start of the Barrett hearings, slated for Monday.Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee have asked Graham to postpone the hearing in light of the positive tests of two Republican committee members, Mike Lee (R-UT) and Thom Tillis (R-NC). Concerns about the spread of the disease have made Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell recess the Senate until October 19, and the Democrats have noted that "no plausible public health or scientific rationale justifies proceeding with Senate Judiciary Committee hearings next week." Americans were already upset over the administration's handling of the coronavirus and the resulting recession, but the superspreader event and Trump's manic behavior since have made his polls crumble further. Republican strategist Ken Spain told Sahil Kapur of NBCNews, "The president has had possibly the worst two-week stretch that a candidate could have going in to the final month of an election."He appears to be planning to combat his low numbers by spurring his supporters to violence and by rigging the system. Yesterday, he told Fox News Channel personality Sean Hannity that Pence's "best answer" at the vice presidential debate was when he refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power in January. He is now saying that Biden committed "treason" and "shouldn't be allowed to run." His rhetoric is stoking radical fires, as extremists hear his advice to "Stand back and stand by" as a rallying cry. The president is pushing the idea that, unless he is reelected, the election will be fraudulent, and that he will not accept the results. His campaign says it has recruited 50,000 volunteer poll watchers—polls already have certified watchers from both parties—who seem likely to try to disrupt the election in swing states. Republican leaders have tried to limit voting, with varied success: Texas Governor Greg Abbott ordered all Texas counties to have a single ballot drop box (Democratic-leaning Harris County is bigger than the state of Rhode Island), but today, a federal judge ruled against him. The Trump campaign is also looking the other way as Russia again interferes on his behalf. In all of this—except the Russia part—Trump looks oddly like President Andrew Johnson, who took over the White House after Abraham Lincoln's death at the hands of an assassin. Johnson was a former Democrat, and could not stand the idea of the Republican government ending systemic Black enslavement and leveling the playing field among races. He wanted to reclaim the nation for white men. Convinced he was defending America from a mob and that his supporters must retake control of the government in the midterm election of 1866 or the nation was finished, Johnson became increasingly unhinged until he began to compare himself to both the martyred Lincoln and Jesus Christ. He called his congressional opponents traitors who should be executed. Egged on by the president, white supremacist gangs attacked Black Americans and their white allies, convincing Johnson that his party would sweep the midterms and he would gain control of the government to end Black rights.Voters heard Johnson, all right. They were horrified by his attacks on the government and the violence he urged. It was an era in which only white men could vote, but even so, they elected to office not Johnson's white supremacists, but Johnson's opponents. And they didn't just elect enough of those reasonable men to control Congress… voters gave them a supermajority.

    Heather Cox Richardson

  • trill1943
    trill1943 Member Posts: 1,135
    edited October 2020

    One thing I've noted lately and that to me underscores what a screwball mess Trump is--as if we need more proof--lol---is that it's become almost impossible to discern which are his normal nasty, lying, hateful, hyperbolic gasbag rantings and the mania/ rage effects of the powerful steroid he was given. . . that should be all History has to point to by way of describing what a fool/idiot/monster has been "leading" this country for almost four years.

    I think we each deserve a Nobel Peace prize--for not blowing this man off the US map.....(maybe to save $ they could be in the form of Cracker Jack prizes....)


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,778
    edited October 2020

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