I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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Glennie, it’s 7:45, no wind and cloudy. TS watch stops at the mouth of Tampa bay. Who knows.
We just did hat and gear on Amazon now.
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Betrayal, I agree with your assessment that Trump's a psychopath, and has fallen into even deeper psychosis as President and being surrounded by powerful enablers. I also think on top of that, he has dementia. What is your opinion?
Jackie, I also heard the flip flop news that Kushner is telling Trump to concede and then telling him to fight the results. Who knows what the truth is.
I saw a headline that Lindsay Graham donated $500,000 to Trump's legal team to fight the election results.
There's always talk about getting rid of Graham and Mitchell. But they have the majority of their states behind them. An NBC news person said: "I can't tell you how many times I've heard from Senators and members of Congress who tell me 'Trump's more popular in my state than I am.'" These politicians are carrying out the wishes of large portions of the population in their state. They're not voted into office to be fine, upstanding citizens with character and morals to vote for "the common good" of all. No, they're in there to perform to the selfish wishes of their constituents. They're not just representative of themselves, they're representing many. That's the systemic problems we're dealing with.
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Here he is grifting as usual and using taxpayer funds. He will ( should he insist on votes recounted ) have to pay for that himself. Per the above he would siphon off some of the run-off money for the Senate seats. Seems to me Trump has nothing new with fraud, dead voters, or whatever paltry evidences he may plan to bring forward. It is the " can't shoot straight " gang again running in at the 11th. hour with not much of anything.
While some people are trying to soften the blow for Trump I'm sure the ones he will " hear " will be the ones telling him to fight on. I personally why anyone would want to further degrade the WH and the process and see ( if they really give one shit at all ) Trump humiliate himself even more. As one of the memes said " Hey, we get to see Trump lose twice ".
Barr is laying low and staying mum. I think he worries that he has flunked every job Trump gave him. Some part of our check and balances ( in that way ) held up, but they are hard to see and feel. I also think there may be a chance for Barr to get caught up in the kinds of nets that could make him a candidate for a stint in the big house.
Sad that we have a**-lickers Graham and Cruz giving Trump direction about moving forward with legal challenges. Those two know it will come to nothing. What spineless people. Lindsey should have lost out but lucked out instead. I hope that changes even if we have to wait.
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Yes, and this other problem that caught us off guard. It seems Trump and afterwards, people are not as eager to be a part of the polls. I registered at one point to be called for polls. It didn't work out, but that was quite a while back in the Obama days.
2. Worried pollsters admit huge problem
Illustration: Eniola Odetunde/Axios
Forget the "shy Trump voter": Before the election, some pollsters worried that some Trump voters would be too embarrassed to tell people that they were voting for him, Axios executive editor Sara Kehaulani Goo writes.
- The real problem is even worse: Virtually every poll sampled too few Trump supporters, meaning there's a huge sampling error the industry needs to reckon with.
- Conventional wisdom that Democrats would win the Senate majority was based on faulty polls that missed down-ballot projections.
One big problem — "non response" — means pollsters didn't get enough Trump voters to even participate in a survey and answer questions.
- This isn't just a phone call survey problem. It's in online surveys and text surveys, too. "The major problem, the fundamental issue in the polling industry, is declining response rate," said Jon Cohen, chief research officer at SurveyMonkey.
- Last week's election showed President Trump expanded his turnout in new demographic groups, including Hispanics, and polls missed them.
- And polls continue to capture too few non-college-educated voters — who were badly under-sampled in 2016.
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November 9, 2020
By Honor Jones
Cover Stories Editor
I was sitting in a parked car in Pennsylvania when the news broke on Saturday that Joe Biden had won the state, and thus the election. I couldn't shout or honk the horn because my kids were napping in the back. Instead I watched the front steps of the Italian restaurant outside my window.
Two waiters were talking about how that morning, it had seemed like it was going to be a really long day. Now one punched the air and said, "I can't stop punching the air!"
A guy in an apron stepped out and tipped his face up at the sun like it was a bowl and he wanted to fill it to the brim with light. Then he said, out loud, like he was actually hoping there was some creep in a car ready to quote him, "The sun feels a little bit brighter today, doesn't it?" I'm pretty sure the waiters rolled their eyes, but only a little.
In a Starbucks parking lot nearby, some Biden supporters waved at cars. Happy people honked. Angry people gunned their engines. Just up the road, a bigger group of Trump voters were gathered.
"Didn't you lose?" a passer-by asked.
"No. There's still a court case," one answered.
That was in Bucks County, which went to Biden by four points. A few hours later we were in Lehigh, the last blue county before a lot of red. My husband had wanted to check out a protest in Allentown calling for all the votes to be counted. By the time we got there, it wasn't a protest anymore, but a celebration. Someone gave my kids chalk, and they drew Marvel characters on the pavement.
It still felt hard to believe it was over. The vote was close, so close. As the columnist Michelle Goldberg pointed out, Trump got more votes in Pennsylvania this time than he did when he won the state in 2016. "There was in fact a red wave," she concluded. "It just wasn't big enough to carry Trump to victory."
"The next chapter of American politics won't be easy," Michelle writes. "But this one — squalid, terrifying, degrading, tragic — is almost over."There are lots of reasons to be grateful for that. As Stephen Colbert tweeted last week, "The human body was not made to expend this much energy thinking about Pennsylvania."
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The pollsters are going to have to completely overhaul their methods of tracking voters and who knows how many years that will take before they're seen as reliable again, if ever?
I thought the pandemic should have factored more into the election, and turns out many medical personnel did, too. Here's a link to the full article, with an excerpt below. It was written after the election but prior to outcome but is still relevant.
For doctors who think Trump fumbled the pandemic, the tight election is seen as an insult
PUBLISHED FRI, NOV 6 20207:30 AM EST UPDATED SAT, NOV 7 202011:31 AM EST
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/for-doctors-who-th...
With the death toll from the coronavirus continuing to tick up, many medical workers say they hoped for a landslide victory for Biden, who has said he'll follow the advice of scientists if he wins the presidency.
"Trump has insulted our integrity and allowed for more than seven months of chaos and excessive deaths (due) to Covid," said Dr. John Purakal, an emergency medicine physician based in North Carolina. "It's so surprising to me," he said. "But here we are."
Texas and Florida — where there have been more than 960,000 and 827,000 confirmed cases, respectively, so far — solidly went for Trump even though Democrats thought the outbreak gave them a fighting chance in some red states.
"Many of us are now questioning whether we're speaking into an echo chamber," said Miami-based physician Dr. Krishna Komanduri. Miami-Dade County dealt a big blow to the Biden campaign in Florida and helped seal the state for Trump.
The economy, and not the pandemic, was more of a priority for 70% of Trump voters, according to the NBC poll.
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Oh, I love that, Jackie! "The sun feels a little bit brighter today, doesn't it?"
A headline from Saturday:
More Champagne Sold in Washington DC Today Than Last 2 New Years Combined, Liquor Store Owners Say
https://www.newsweek.com/more-champagne-sold-washi...
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Don't expect perfection and things to go the way you want them to when it comes to people, business, your prospects, and your social life. When things don't go according to your desires, when the weather of life is foul, be creative and consider what may be the higher reasons why this is happening and why you must adjust. Perhaps it's to gain forbearance, patience, inner strength, flexibility, or the ability to withhold criticism while serving as a loving model.
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Slate.com is running a series of goodbyes to Trumpworld figures including Pence, DeVos, Guiliani, Kushner and more. I'm not sure what kind of humor this is called, but it speaks to me. I will post a few of them; here's a link if you're interested in reading more of them,https://slate.com/tag/goodbye-trump-adminGoodbye, Melania
Melania Trump will be best remembered for her icy expressions, her glossy outfits and enormous belts, and, perhaps, her anti-bullying campaign. As her husband hurled schoolyard insults at anyone who opposed him and led chants to lock up his political opponents, the first lady developed a motto that sounds like a bleat. Her term began with a speech that plagiarized former first lady Michelle Obama and ended with taped remarks revealing that she thought the children in detention centers who'd been separated from their families were "taken care of nicely there." The tape also revealed that she loathed decorating the White House for Christmas, which came as a surprise to admirers of the looming blood-red conifers with which she lined the merry halls.
Melania Trump was in no rush to get to the White House. When Trump became president, she remained in New York for weeks. Her stated reason was motherly: She didn't want to interrupt her 10-year-old son Barron's schooling. In fact, it appears she was allegedly using her leverage as first lady to renegotiate her prenuptial agreement with Donald Trump. At times, it was hard not to feel for her: She had to keep smiling and waving while news cycles dealt with rumors about Trump's affairs with Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels. But it's hard to rely on anything she says; Melania has lied about everything from getting a bachelor's degree to speaking five languages to the significance of her "I Really Don't Care Do U" jacket—which she wore as a publicity stunt while visiting desperate children whom the Trump administration had separated from their families. Her press secretary first said that it meant nothing at all and was "just a jacket." Melania would later contradict her own staff: "It was for the people and for the left-wing media who are criticizing me. I want to show them I don't care," she said. This was a baffling interpretation of her intent; it appeared the first lady was fine appearing not to care about the suffering of children if it meant sending an oblique and garbled message to news outlets she had beef with. Thanks to revelations made by her former friend Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, we do know the sorts of things Melania did care about: calculating camera angles so as to keep Ivanka Trump out of frame during Donald Trump's inauguration in what they called "Operation Block Ivanka."
Small-minded, petulant, and petty, the best thing we can say about the first lady is that she occasionally appears to dislike her husband almost as much as the rest of us do. We will remember her for wearing a white pith helmet to Kenya and for smiling so rarely that shots of her grinning created "Fake Melania" conspiracy theories. We will recall her sunglasses, her defense of birtherism on The View, and the impression she occasionally created that her sour demeanor reflected her resentment at becoming a public figure. This last part wasn't true: Back in 1999, when Trump ran for president, Melania Trump fantasized in interviews about being the next Jackie Kennedy. She would settle for ripping the crab apple trees out of Jackie Kennedy's rose garden.
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Goodbye, Donald Trump Jr.
After 39 years of toiling in Ivanka's shadow, it was finally your moment. Already a devout Republican and unquestionably the most groveling of his offspring, you were exactly the hype man your father needed: dumb enough to believe whatever Daddy told you, coiffed enough to look halfway decent on cable news, and more than passionate enough about hunting to rub elbows with the red state riffraff. That last one was something your father used to despise, but that all changed when he realized his base ate it up. And in return for you being precisely the happy warrior your father needed, Trump Sr. regularly acknowledged you in public and even let you get vaguely within touching distance. What more could a perpetual disappointment want?
Now, four years and 20,000 memes later, you're 42, divorced, and of absolutely no use to your father whatsoever. Remember earlier this month when he joked about how he'd never speak to you or your brother and sister again if he loses? A funny joke when it comes to Ivanka (whom he worships), or Eric (who has remained deeply involved in the family business), but for you? Well, we hope you kept your Halloween costume, because that's as close to Dad as you're likely to get. But hey, look on the bright side. You've still got the love of none other than Kimberly Guilfoyle. And everyone knows that's one love that lasts.
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Goodbye, Betsy DeVos
So long, Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos! It wasn't just that you were unqualified to lead America's educational system, as someone who never worked at a public school, attended a public school, or took out a school loan. It was that you were the opposite of qualified, an early example of the Trump administration's elitist disregard for the very role of government agencies themselves. You sailed into the Department of Education as if sailing into port on one of your yachts, buoyed by your belief that public schools are a "dead end," your declaration that government "sucks," and your family's hundreds of millions of dollars donated to Republican causes.
And yeah, you made the most of the opportunity. You promoted charter and religious schools while ignoring public schools. You reduced protections for victims of sexual assault, for minority students, for gay and trans students. You gleefully ignored a court order and continued to collect loan payments from students at a defunct, fraudulent for-profit university—16,000 times, including wage garnishments and tax seizures.
As chair of the Trump administration's "school safety commission," formed after the Parkland shootings, you declined to recommend any gun control measures, but you did rescind an Obama-era guideline instructing schools not to punish minority students more harshly than white ones. Thank goodness!
But it was in 2020, as American schools faced arguably their biggest crisis since the civil rights era, that you really made your contempt for teachers and children plain. As schools across the country sought aid and advice to reopen safely in the fall, you holed up in your Michigan compound, protected by around-the-clock U.S. Marshals that have cost taxpayers as much as $25 million over four years. (You're the first Cabinet secretary ever to insist on such protection.) From your mansion, you joined Donald Trump's demands that schools reopen NOW—but offered no support or assistance. The end result: politicizing school reopening as an issue, making it more difficult for schools to open safely. You've overseen a slow-motion education disaster that will have lasting effects on an entire generation of children.
And you've done it all with a haughty, better-than-this attitude that makes clear just how little of a shit you give. You didn't give a shit during your confirmation hearings, when you plagiarized your Senate questionnaire and didn't bother to learn anything about the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act.* You didn't give a shit this summer, when you sniffed, "The secretary of education isn't the nation's superintendent." Well, soon you won't be the nation's anything. I can't wait to never think about you again. You're expelled.0 -
Well, at last we are starting off the week, just like Biden promised. With a sturdy covid team to get us up to speed on doing things to begin the process that should have taken place at the beginning of this horror. All along, I too, thought the election would have more to do with the pandemic. It has taken so many lives while being almost totally ignored by Trump. If memory serves -- he even bid against the states for needed supplies during the original outbreak. Seems difficult to me to put economy first when people are worried about their very lives. Some have lost loved ones in a most horrific way and yet give the orange dolt of all time, a free pass.
I guess there are way too many out there who just have been given the freedom to be all about themselves more than anyone else. I've always thought there were way more good people than bad, and I still do, but I do question why so many of them think Trump is the one with the answers. He ( at least with my viewpoint ) is not even moderately successful. All the lies, bankruptcies etc. I think, HOPE, that when some of the legal work starts coming on trump that some there will be a lot more transparency into him and how he has done things ( grifting, cheating, avoiding taxes, etc. ) and perhaps some ( knowing some never will ) will start to understand his motivations and games and total lack of caring. Unfortunately as we know, a lot of the news continues to portray Trump in an almost total different light, making him seem worthy of the trust and confidence that he feels he deserves. Those really in the know, just see the same old stupid con man who has managed to stay one jump ahead all the time. May that be completely erased as we move forward.
Yes -- the weather forecast now is for bright, and transparent sunshine.
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Trill and Divine.
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Jackie, I was just reading a CNN article stating: "Here's what media coverage might look like as Trump serves as a lame-duck president until January and Biden prepares to move into the White House."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/media/stelter-trump...How the media will cover President-elect Joe Biden
"President-elect Biden believes that the media is a critical piece of our democracy," TJ Ducklo, Biden's national press secretary said. "That transparency is incredibly important."
Ducklo emphasized that Biden believes it's the media's job to hold him accountable, adding that he welcomes reporters' role in democracy.
That would represent a huge contrast to Trump's relationship with the media. Trump calls CNN and other news organizations "fake news." And at times, Trump has promoted violence against reporters. For example, he recently mocked MSNBC anchor Ali Velshi for being shot with a rubber bullet during protests in May, calling it a "beautiful sight" during a political rally in Minnesota.
"I think it will be, frankly, the polar opposite what we have seen the last four years," Ducklo said, projecting what the Biden administration's relationship with the media will look like. "The media has an incredibly important job to do," he added. President-elect Biden agrees that and believes that, and I think you'll see -- I think you'll see a huge change in the culture, in the way that this White House treats the media."
How the media will continue to cover President Donald Trump
Just one day after Biden was announced as the winner of the 2020 presidential election, Brian Stelter said, "As is always the case, Trump sucks up all the oxygen," adding that the media's decision not to focus on Trump's election denial is a "testament to the normalization of his narcissism."
The Atlantic's Golderberg said the current political landscape warrants serious conversations in newsrooms about how much attention we pay to lame duck pronouncements. He said journalists need to spend time focusing on the following question: "What is the Biden administration going to do to vanquish the virus?"
"The salience of this administration goes down by the day," he added, recommending that reporters cover the pandemic, the economy and America's standing in the world.
Phillip echoed that sentiment.
"As tempting as it is to always center our reporting around only a certain segment of the population -- particularly white working-class voters, there are millions of other people who made a very clear statement in this election," she said.
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DivineMrsM: Yes, I do agree he has some degree of dementia and think it will become more apparent when he has no puppets to prop him up and provide him with buzz words or talking points. His inability to stay on task and use the teleprompters is a clue. He rambles and cannot stay on point when asked a question. Sort of reminds me of trying to have a meaningful conversation with an inebriated individual. Can you imagine what he will be like in 4 years after talking to himself about all his imagined slights/disrespect/conspiracies, etc. ?
The slate.com reviews you posted are hilarious and so on point. I will be checking out the others because quite frankly we probably all feel the need for belly laughs after 4 years of utter bleakness. As a former healthcare worker and educator Betsy DeVos had to be the worse appointment ever.
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LOVE that Ruth!
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Betrayal, such good points about Trump's mental capacity. I hear people say “Trump 2024!" and think what kind of physical and mental condition do they honestly believe Trump will be in four more years?
Speaking of which, I loved Biden and Harris's speeches Saturday. Joe looked and sounded fantastic. Well, so did Kamala dressed in suffragette white. I loved Biden's scriptural and hymn references. Everything surrounding those speeches was strategically well orchestrated as well as heart felt.
The Wizard of Oz meme is very funny, and actually, Trump reminds me of the Wizard, spewing out to the public a larger than life image surrounded by a lot of smoke when in reality, he's just a miserable old guy hiding in a little booth pushing a lot of buttons; and while Republicans are drooling at the fake image, the Dems collectively are Toto the dog, pulling back the curtain on the wizard, trying to expose him for what he is.
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LOVED the Slate articles!! Bye-bye Betsy,,, I cannot wait for you to go!!
and YES that America picked the boy who stuttered over the bully. So happy about that. I do wish it had been a bigger blue wave. It is distressing to see how many people did vote for tRump. And I agree that it is an insult to health care workers and other essential workers.
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My DD is a teacher. She is bouncing off the walls that Devos will be gone. But! Come January 18 she will be starting nursing school the damage has been done in public education and she’s had enough. It will take a long time to undo the damage, especially with dipstick govslike ours
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Spookie, what is your take on why Florida is so red and supports Trump? I mean, I’ve heard the jokes about Florida being God’s waiting room. Many people move there in retirement,.Why are so many senior citizens pro Trump? Do you think as Joe moves in to office, they will warm up to him? I’m reading that he is going to be a centrist, not leaning too far left to embrace heavily liberal policy. Also, I can’t understand why the older population wants a president so divisive. I’m in my early 60s. I dont feel senior citizen-y but age wise thats the category I’m in. As I’ve “matured”, I want less upheaval and it is hard for me to tolerate. i saw Biden’s speech today about how he plans to get the coronavirus under control. It was such a calming, positive speech, talking about working in unity with all the states.
I’m also surprised the younger vote didn’t help Florida lean to Biden.
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My Daughter thinks all the Republican's in Florida are nuts! And they follow their leader the governor. And even today, they are all trying to figure out how to keep their chosen leader Trump in charge... not to mention his Sons! They have big plans, in case they finally give up the ship... One of them will run for President again!
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I’ve read that so many ppl move here from up north red states, they bring the same thoughts with them. The Villages in central FloriDuh is a prime example. It’s so big it has its own zip code. And any rep up for re-election is sure to go there at least once. Trump was there several times. Younger ppl, I don’t know. Most don’t like it here and want out. Low pay mostly. I thought the Hispanic population would go blue, especially around Orlando. In Miami there was a lot of misinformation broadcast.
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Okay, glennie, that posting of the 4 angels brought tears to my eyes. TY to them for overseeing this election. I feel that both McCain and RBG got retribution for what he did to them and Cummings and Lewis for leading by example against a tried and true racist. Now if we could recruit them to oversee the GA senate runoff.
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Thanks to Maya Rudolph and SNL, we have a new catch-phrase in the house.
"Hush now, Mama-la's talkin'."
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Ladies - I think we are being too hard on Trump. He does not recognize defeat, much less, how to concede. So we might have to help him with a concession speach. A true meltdown here
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Ruth and Glennie -- just perfect.
Trump -- still can't fathom so many votes for him. I did hear on a program that Biden's votes included 8 % of the Reps. vote. That was great. But these people who continue to vote for a person like that seem to think the world does not have a shelf life if you don't care for her. You can't toss all regulations, poison streams, pollute till you can't see each other -- let mad men have guns etc. Do they really think about THEIR future generations and what they would like them to have. I wonder.
Yes, sadly Trump is worse and worse. He is a mentally mal-adjusted person who can't face defeat, shuns facts, and pays back big time. Mark Esper would know something of this just now. What an idiotic thing to do but Trump needs people that he can lash out to and knock down -- just because he has been. So, we have to bide our time and let the lawsuits and court battles play out. So far, no REAL proof of anything and there won't be. Come January we will usher in Biden to the White House and kick the orange guy out, period. He should never have gotten in and everyone will get a payback for that, earned or not.
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I'm a very senior citizen and I cannot fathom the support in Florida. The Cuban vote is always Republican because those were the big owners of mansions, etc. who escaped. They belong in Trump's category. I am so happy I live in a blue bubble. Wouldn't exchange it for palm trees ever.
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I'm really lucky, Wren. I'm in Southern California. I get to have both. And you'd be welcome to come if you ever got a hankering to see some palm trees. The street behind mine has ones that are about 200 feet tall.
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