I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!
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Why are Latino voters in FL getting more and more conservative?
First, they used to be overwhelmingly-majority Catholic--socially-conservative but not politically active in that regard (they also were warier of the erosion of church-state separation because it wan't so long ago that Nixon supporters smeared JFK by saying that the Vatican would run the White House). But now there is a huge plurality of them who--due to 30 years of relentless missionary outreach in Spanish--are Protestant Evangelicals (many affiliating with none of the mainstream denominations), even charismatics. And almost-overwhelmingly right-wing Evangelicals wear their political hearts on their sleeves.
Second, Latino voters in FL (and in general) are not monolithic. Their ancestry is from a host of W. Hemisphere Spanish-speaking countries--in Central & South America, not just Mexico & the Caribbean. A significant portion are exclusively Anglophone. The single-issue ones that broke for Trump have one thing in common: the countries from which they &/or their immediate forebears emigrated are Communist (Cuba) or dysfunctional socialist (Venuzuela, Colombia, Nicaragua). Aside from the fact that they've been bombarded with right-wing propaganda that equates liberalism & progressivism with socialism, they have direct experience with life in socialist countries that, well, make "socialism" a dirty word. Socialism is an economic system, not a political one; and when it is done properly (e.g., Sweden) it's fine. Yes, taxes are high but people get big bang for the buck when it comes to healthcare, education (including college) and essential services such as infrastructure. But the only socialism these Latino voters have encountered have been--no more charitable way to put it--absolute shit-shows. It's not the socialism itself--it's the spectacularly incompetent and corrupt governments that tried to administer it and quite frankly have no idea to make the economic part work.
And speaking of those governments, that brings us to the third--and most wildly ironic reason. Those ineptly-run economies are headed by autocratic leaders (which is a plausible explanation for the erroneous assumption that socialism=totalitarianism=communism). . But rather than chafing at that, those voters are comforted by being led by strongmen--it's the only model they knew before coming to the U.S. A strongman leader ironically takes a lot of the pressure off citizens by relieving them of having to make decisions that face free-led people. To them, Trump is a strongman, minus the "socialism." And single-issue voters are willing to put up with a despot they view as "benevolent," i.e., one who gives them what they want such as anti-reproductive choice and slamming the immigration gates shut on newer would-be arrivals subject to stricter laws with which compliance is virtually impossible. Never mind, though--the mindset is "we came legally, so anyone who can't be bothered to jump through the hoops (which were easier for us to jump through) can go pound sand." Sort of like when I moved to the PNW and encountered other E. Coast transplants who'd arrived not much more recently sporting bumper stickers reading "Don't Californicate Washington" or "Welcome to Seattle. Spend money. Then go home."
Fourth, sad to say the DNC screwed the pooch by taking FL (and TX) Latinos (especially second-generation in Miami-Dade) for granted and not trying to debunk the "socialism" garbage spewed all over Spanish-language radio.
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"Hausbesetzer" = squatter.....
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Fourth, sad to say the DNC screwed the pooch by taking FL (and TX) Latinos (especially second-generation in Miami-Dade) for granted and not trying to debunk the "socialism" garbage spewed all over Spanish-language radio.
Sandy: Yes, they totally screwed up on not countering the garbage on Spanish language radio. I don't know why they didn't do that.
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www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/psychiatrist-bandy-...
This article bears reading since it addresses the psychological state of Donald Trump and what we can expect from him. He is not mentally sound as we all know.
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Thanks for the insights about Florida voters. It gives me a better understanding of the state, of which I know little about. Oh, that makes sense that the FL panhandle is influenced by Alabama. (My sister and her daughter, two huge liberals, live in Montgomery and one of my uncles was a coach for The Crimson Tide back in the days of Bear Bryant). Plus, makes sense where the retirees come from and where they settle down in FL. And it sounds like Dems need to work on the Latino vote; one seemingly simple way to start is to get their message over the Spanish speaking radio waves.
I think the Biden campaign played different cards this election and it worked. Altho they'd have loved to have flipped FL, they put their chips into PA and AZ and courted Cindy McCain and had Mark Kelly in their corners. Covid made everything more challenging and yet helped in some odd ways. I think the polarizing abortion issue was heavily diluted because of covid. And Trump's rallies were stalled and plus he got the virus or so they say. Then there's the role the U.S. mail and mail-in ballot played. I will go on record now as saying the "Time Person of the Year" is going to be "the mail-in ballot".
Does anyone have a link to election numbers by state? I can't seem to find a website that shows actual voter numbers, not electoral votes but people votes, for each state. They all want to report electoral votes. But I'd like the entire U. S. numbers breakdown.
I did see where the FL vote was
T-5,667,832 (51.2%)
B-5,294,767 (47.8%)
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Then there's Ohio. Seems solidly red these days, these numbers similar to 2016. Trump ran ads saying Biden would eliminate 600,000 fracking jobs which is currently a backbone of Ohio economy. So there's that.
T - 3,074,418 (53.4%)
B - 2,603,731 (45.2%)
Interesting data:
Which states have flipped?States won by Joe Biden that Donald Trump won in 2016
Arizona
Nebraska
Michigan
Wisconsin
Pennsylvania
No states have been won by Donald Trump that Hillary Clinton won in 2016
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Trill/IllinoisLady: You have been busy with posting all these memes. Great info exspecially the one where it says Lindsey and Mitch also appeared on the ballots that are being questioned. Do they only want to recount the Democratic ballots and not the Repugnicans as well?
Ruth: loved the one about the scale. Sounds like me when I am interested enough to bother stepping on the scale. Did not gain any Covid weight but then I haven't lost any either, sigh.
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Wow, Betrayal, the article about Trump's psychological breakdown is just wow. I'm somewhat relieved that there are actually medical professionals who see the many true psychotic sides to this tyrannical man, because so often I hear about the people who support his lies.
What I really appreciate is the author also addresses the bizarre behaviour of Trump followers and even has a name for the phenomenon: "shared psychosis" or "folie à millions" (madness by the millions). She puts into words what I have thought so often: Separation from their "leader" will bring a great deal of trauma to his supporters because of the emotional dependence he cultivated, and the degree to which he separated them from their ordinary interests, their loved ones and their own realities.
So sad!
Trumpers have no clue how the steady stream of tweets and constant news coverage of Trump's continued attacks on everyone who disagrees with him is like cult leader Jim Jones spewing 24 hour propaganda over loudspeakers to his followers. Trump intentionally never gave his followers a break. And they glub, glub, glub, chugged the koolaid like they just crawled across a desert.
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