I say YES. YOU say NO....Numero Tre! Enjoy!

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  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051

    Mitch won’t leave office since the democratic Governor of KY would appoint a Dem to replace him. Diane Feinstein would be replaced by a fellow democrat by Governor Newsom and there’s lots to choose from in CA. Not sure why she wants to hang on.

  • betrayal
    betrayal Member Posts: 3,307

    Moscow Mitch has long surpassed his expiration date to serve in the Senate. He is uncompromising when it comes to serving the will of the people and really needs to go. It would appear he is having transient ischemic attacks which can be precursors to a stroke or I am wondering if he has developed a subdural hematoma from his fall. They don't always present immediately after a fall but will cause some of the symptoms he is exhibiting.

    Unfortunately, he does manage to control some of the MAGA representatives but really failed when he had the opportunity to impeach the Loon. So buh bye Mitch.

  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051

    You’re right betrayal. He had the opportunity to get rid of trump and wimped out. He’s lost control and the lunatics are running to GOP.

  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051
    edited August 2023

    By Rachel Weiner and Tom Jackman
 From the Washington Post

    A former leader in the far-right Proud Boys group was sentenced Thursday to 17 years in prison, just shy of the longest punishment imposed on a participant in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol.

    
“That day broke our tradition of peaceful transfer of power,” said U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly as he sentenced Joseph Biggs, 39, of Florida. “We don’t have it anymore.

    ”
Biggs was one of four Proud Boys found guilty at trial earlier this year of engaging in a seditious conspiracy to keep Donald Trump in power by force, along with obstructing Congress and other crimes.

    
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, found guilty of a separate seditious conspiracy involving his extremist group, was sentenced earlier this year to 18 years in prison. In both cases, judges applied enhancements for terrorism that pushed the sentencing range they must consider higher. But Kelly told Biggs, “It’s not my job to label you a terrorist, and my sentence today won’t do that. That’s for other people to argue about.”


The Justice Department made that argument, saying Biggs is as responsible as former Proud Boys chairman Henry “Enrique” Tarrio for the group’s involvement in the Capitol attack and that both men engaged in terrorism.


    “They aimed to intimidate and terrify” not just lawmakers but “the rest of the country that they didn’t agree with and make them yield to their political point of view,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason McCullough said in court. “That’s no different than the act of a spectacular bombing of a building.

    “He invoked the example of a parent afraid to take a child to a polling place or a couple worried about violence at a presidential inauguration.
“That is what they set out to do,” McCullough said. “They pushed us to the edge of a constitutional crisis.

    “He said deterrence was necessary precisely because the Proud Boys were able to create that fear without any weapons of mass destruction. “It’s almost seductive,” McCullough said. “It just takes slick propaganda in an environment where you encourage people to basically say, ‘It’s us against them.’”
Biggs said in a tearful statement to the judge that he was not a leader but one of the “seduced.”

    
“I know that I messed up that day, but I’m not a terrorist,” Biggs said. “My curiosity got the better of me, and I’ll have to live with that for the rest of my life.” He said he had been planning for Jan. 6 to be his last outing with the Proud Boys, and that his violent statements were a way to vent his anger over being injured in combat and learning that a young family member had been abused. “I used that rhetoric … to cope and to not take violent action,” he said.


    Defense attorney Norm Pattis argued that it was harsh sentences for the Proud Boys that would make “people afraid to go to protests, for fear that if they become violent their incendiary speech might be used against them.”

    
Kelly responded that it was “fair game” to consider protected speech as evidence of criminal intent. “People’s fear that if they get violent their words will be used against them — there’s simply no legal reason why that can’t be,” he said. But he agreed that the Proud Boys’ conduct, while “extremely serious,” wasn’t the same as trying to “blow up a skyscraper.”


    Prosecutors argued Biggs had “talents” that made him particularly dangerous. As a former employee of Infowars host Alex Jones, who helped organized the rally that preceded the riot, Biggs had a national platform. As a combat veteran, he had military experience. And he was close with Tarrio, who was barred from D.C. before Jan. 6 over the theft and destruction of a Black Lives Matter flag at an earlier protest.

    With Tarrio unavailable, Biggs was put in charge of the Proud Boys on-the-ground efforts alongside Ethan Nordean of the Seattle area, who is set to be sentenced Friday.


    “Biggs maintained his leadership position throughout the day on January 6,” prosecutors said in their sentencing memorandum, directing a “relentless effort” to intimidate lawmakers confirming the electoral count.


    A large contingent of Proud Boys marched to the Capitol before Trump directed his supporters there. Then, prosecutors say, Biggs led the growing mob forward through barricades and into the building. Capitol Police Officer Shae Cooney testified earlier in the week about standing on the other side of that crowd, trying to keep them out. She couldn’t stop to connect with her family, she said, or to check on Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who collapsed hours after the riot and died the next day.


    “They decided to break the law, assault officers and cause an officer to lose his life and have other officers take their lives because of things that they saw,” Cooney said. “Because the people in this courtroom decided that they weren’t happy with how an election went.

    “After the riot, Biggs lied to the FBI, saying first that he wasn’t at the Capitol and then that he was but he never went inside. He also encouraged other Proud Boys to delete any potentially incriminating messages after Tarrio’s arrest. Like several other Proud Boys, Biggs was in contact with federal agents in advance of Jan. 6 but only provided information about the group’s enemies on the left, according to court records.


    Later Thursday, Kelly is also scheduled to sentence Zachary Rehl of Philadelphia, another member of the Jan. 6 leadership group. Tarrio was scheduled for sentencing Wednesday, but that hearing was moved to next week. Prosecutors are asking for a 30-year sentence for Rehl.


    Representing both Biggs and Rehl, defense attorney Pattis argued that they were not responsible for the violence of others or for Trump’s efforts to undermine the democratic process. Of the five Proud Boys who went on trial together, only one was convicted of assaulting an officer — Dominic Pezzola, for stealing a police riot shield that he then used to break a window and create the rioters’ first point of entry into the Capitol building. Pezzola was also the only defendant acquitted on the seditious conspiracy charge.


    “There is a crisis of legitimacy in this country,” Pattis said, but “to suggest that this is the responsibility of Mr. Biggs is silly.” He questioned why Trump was not charged with seditious conspiracy when he was indicted on other felonies related to the 2020 election.


    The judges imposing felony sentences in Jan. 6, 2021, cases have largely gone below federal sentencing guidelines and prosecutors’ recommendations. On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Amit P. Mehta imposed a term of 15 months on the wife of Oath Keepers leader Kelly Meggs, calling guidelines of 97 to 121 months for the 62-year-old woman “overly harsh.” He previously sentenced Meggs, convicted of seditious conspiracy with Rhodes, to 12 years in prison.

  • homemom
    homemom Member Posts: 842
    edited August 2023

    Did anyone see the video of Biden talking about the storm and Maui yesterday? The conspiracy theorists are spreading it like wildfire because Biden mentions that the investigator for FEMA was on the ground before the fires erupted. He says he assigned him to it last week, so I don't believe them. Go to about the 5 min mark and let me know what you think. It sounds like the guy just happened to be on the ground before the fires, but the way he words it, it sounds like they knew there would be fires - makes no sense.

  • cardplayer
    cardplayer Member Posts: 2,051

    HomeMom - from what I’ve read, Bob Fenton was appointed by the President and has been in Maui since August 8th. The conspiracy theorists can chatter away.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    There are indeed way too many in Congress (just so happens they are also all pretty much Reps.) who either shouldn't be there at all or who have over-stayed. The first group I don't think were ever truly serious unless you want to call tearing the government up actual serious help for constituents. The second group are having senior moments that last way longer than they should or totally spacing like McConnell. I do have sympathy for medical issues, but when they are encroaching on work that really needs doing ( even more when you don't have Congresspeople who are in REALITY taking care of constituent's true need) then they need to be removed and replaced.

    As to those who (under Trump's bidding) went to our Capitol 1/6 in 2020 — throw the book at them and as hard as you can. Bending over backward to be what fair, or gentle — well, hell, they weren't. People died and there were millions of dollars in destruction. The tax payers footed the bill for that and many other families footed the bill for the loss of their loved ones or their continued PTSD. We will be yrs. trying to right this wrong — let those who perpetrated the whole thing do plenty of paying as well.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698

    The longer the sentences the better!

  • betrayal
    betrayal Member Posts: 3,307

    Amen. Now if the repugnicans would focus on the looming issues of our nation rather than the distraction tactics they use to attack Biden, his son and others, we might see some change for the better. With the 2024 elections in sight, you would think they would focus on matters that are of importance to their constituents like education, tax reform, etc.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    Betrayal, I think those Reps. just can't focus period. They hitched their wagons to the wrong star and put themselves between a rock and a hard place. No one else can shine like the orange turd does for them. He has stolen their oxygen for years — and running people who are losers just like he is. Their brains and any they might have had ,suffer from extreme oxygen deprivation.

    No one else on their agenda trying to run has anything going on either and they will end up with dismal numbers. Who knows who will finally emerge from that idiotic free-for-all.

    The indignity of having to deal with orange turd for four miserable yrs. and now put up with the campaign that isn't really but is helping turd run away from his current issues is really lousy. I think I read somewhere that to him these trials are a long way off and likely why he keeps badgering his lawyers to put up weird reasonings or demands. It is making it worse and when the lawyers can't bring his demands to fruition, he might just dump them out of their job. Probably okay — he doesn't pay well and that would give him an excellent reason.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    Be needing this a little later.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    Yup.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    "The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen."

    -- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

  • spookiesmom
    spookiesmom Member Posts: 8,178

    Even if Moscow Mitch left office, dead or alive, he fixed it so he can only be replaced with another R. The dem gov can’t do anything


  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    Can say that again Spookie.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    Sadly.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    One can hope.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    BREAKING: An FBI agent says Giuliani was compromised by Russians. According to this new whistleblower and various US intelligence findings, Giuliani apparently was a dupe—a useful idiot—for suspected Russian operatives and propagandists.

    Giuliani’s efforts in Ukraine placed him in contact with several Ukrainians since sanctioned for allegedly assisting Russian disinformation efforts. The most prominent was Andriy Derkach, the son of a former KGB officer and then a Ukrainian legislator, who supplied Giuliani with unsubstantiated information about the Bidens’ supposed activities in Ukraine. Looks like ANOTHER INDICTMENT FOR RUDY IS ON ITS WAY. Who’s else is beyond ready to see him in prison?

    I have long felt like Giuliani never quite recovered from all the love and adulation he received from New York and much of the world over the World Trade Center. For yrs. afterwards he made sure it came up almost every time he was on television. I think that made him easy for the Russians to pick off. He wanted I think to be AG for Trump, but other ideas came into play then. So, giving himself a 'bigger' role in things later became pretty attractive. NOTE to Rudy — big mistake to drink with the Russians.

  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770
  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698
  • illinoislady
    illinoislady Member Posts: 39,770

    ELECTIONS

    Trump County In Iowa Replaces QAnon Conspiracy Theorist With Democrat

    Kimberly Sheets, a Democrat, beat the odds by defeating David Whipple, a pro-Trump conspiracy theorist running for Warren County Auditor.

    Alan HerreraSep. 01, 2023

    Kimberly Sheets for Warren County Auditor/Facebook; @IAStartingLine/Twitter

    Voters in a small pro-Trump county in Iowa have ousted an election auditor known for falsehoods and replaced him with a Democrat. Kimberly Sheets beat the odds by defeating David Whipple, a pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theorist

    Warren County, which had favored former President Donald Trump with 57.3 percent of the vote in the 2020 election, attracted attention due to its all-Republican board of supervisors appointing David Whipple as county auditor in June. Iowa's county auditors hold the crucial responsibility of overseeing elections.

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    Whipple's appointment sparked immediate outrage when his history of sharing conspiracy theories on social media, including claims about the QAnon conspiracy and the 2020 election's integrity, came to light. Despite substantial evidence debunking these theories, Whipple had maintained his stance, even sharing unfounded notions about the 9/11 attacks.

    Sheets secured a definitive victory over Whipple. She clinched an impressive 66.5 percent of the vote, while Whipple garnered only 33.4 percent. She later published a tweet in which she thanked her supporters.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 47,698