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Hi Enerva, hi 2nd. I was so sad to read about Robin Williams too. It's such a loss and shock. I think clinical depression is its own beast and very difficult to understand. I read that he was seeking help though. I'm sad for him and his family. I agree, 2nd, that we need to destigmatized mental illness and depression so people can more readily get the help they need.
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i am mad cuz i feel he should have had the help he needed, it's just crazy that he was in danger and his close family and friends didn't prevent this tragedy
Wow it's 2:07 am and I am staring at my ceiling again
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Enerva, go to sleep. If only we could solve people's problems. We can only be there for them. Depression is a terrible illness which most do not understand.
Hugs
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good night 🌃
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good night Enerva, sleep well!
Good to see you again, Alyson! What's been going on?
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Hi 2nd, have missed being around here and wondered what was happening in SAS's nest of owlettes.
Unfortunately since I got home from a wonderful trip my Rheumatoid and fibro has flared badly. On a different drug which is really helping with the fibro but not the RA. Anyway it does mean I do loads of knitting and handsewing.
Hugs
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Good Morning owl of you.
Slept pretty good last nite but not good enough.
Aly u've been feeling like this for a while now. I'm so sorry I hope this damn stuff give u a break soon.
Chevy a rug? I don't know, I'd think hmmm it doesn't look bad BUT why did they get rid of it? Are there any BLOOD stains on it? Should we get together and donate bail money for u. I know we don't have to for u'r pole dancing, cuz if u did get caught they would have no idea what u were doing.
I'm not surprise about Robin Williams, oh don't get me wrong I really enjoyed him in so many movies an on TV but he was wrapped so tight, I wondered yrs ago when this would happen. It's a shame--I know he had drugs and alcohol in his life and there are people who can be in a deep depression and hide it pretty well. It's a shame that anyone can turn to that, he lost his spirit.
OK enough of that----I've had 2 cups of coffee an I'm ready to go back to sleep WTF
Who was talking about Christmas plans already----Jeez to plan how we're going to feel tomorrow, even today hahaha Oh well people don't get it sometimes.
OK BBL
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Morning all...Man, I just couldn't
beLIEVE this about Robin Williams.... Guess it was more than" just"
depression... Just kind of makes me sad AND mad.... I mean so much to live for,
always giving us so much...Alcohol, not to mention drugs on top of it, is a beast
you can hardly ever fight alone...... Like he said.... "It's just
there"...I Remember going home from school, and my Dad was sitting
on the couch with a shot-gun across his lap crying. I just didn't know what to
do! He finally left with the gun, and I called my Mom, and she got Grandma, and
they all went out to find him.... at his girl-friends house!Well, he didn't get a chance to kill himself, but I
thought my Mom and Grandma were going to do it FOR him....Alcohol and drugs just make everyone's life
miserable.... If they can control it, that is a miracle....Yes, they can hide it, behind humor, and always the happy
go-lucky guy, always on top of the world, when they are drunk.... they can hide
it from everyone except their family."Beloved
actor Robin Williams was found dead on Monday, police reported.He
was 63.The
apparent cause of death was suicide by asphyxiation, authorities said.
Accordingto his publicist, Williams had been battling severe depression
and spent time in rehab as recently as July.Police
said that Williams was found unconscious around noon in his home in Tiburon,
California, near San Francisco."In 2006, after 20
years sober, he checked himself into rehab for alcoholism. He opened up about his struggles with addiction to alcohol and cocaine in
a powerful interview with The Guardian and on "Good Morning
America.""It's
not caused by anything, it's just there," he said. "It waits. It lays in wait
for the time when you think, 'It's fine now, I'm OK.' Then, the next thing you
know, it's not OK. Then you realize, 'Where am I? I didn't realize I was in
Cleveland.'"Last
month, he spent time at Hazelden Addiction Treatment Center in a continued
sobriety program. His publicist told HuffPost at the time that he was doing
well.I'm sorry, but to me, it is just selfish! My gal-friends Dad did the same thing..... A drunk all his life..... All of us kids just growing up, and trying to believe this family stuff was "normal!"
But my friend's Brother walked in the garage, with his little Daughter, and there was his Dad.... in the car.... That whole family had to go in therapy!
So yes, I loved Robin Williams, and all he was known for.... but hurting soooooo many people with his "choices", is all I can think about.
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Susan yes the holiday crap has started here too. DD and the room mate can barely tolerate each other any more. Wasn't always this way. They had a blow, DD tells me she wants to make reservations. Her MIL doesn't cook. I can't do it. DH is gonna be pissed. Then I told her I don't care about Christmas. Last year they didn't come here once while the tree was up.
I wish I could go poodle and it would all go away!
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Spookie and Susan, do you gals remember when we were young, and how fun it was to all get together for Holiday's? But when we were younger, we didn't pay any attention to all the WORK, and getting the house ready, and inviting a jillion people over.
Not to mention the men always getting drunk, and the women all mad beCAUSE of it.... Ha! Then the clean-up.
No more... not too many people left.... and we have kind of gone our separate ways, with the in-law part of the family.... And it is better!
Big get-to-gethers are not all that fun anymore.
I just love having our Daughter over for Christmas morning, me fixing Brunch, and opening our gifts! And Thanksgiving is the same! I love to cook, and the Turkey dinner is pretty easy.... She brings all the side-dishes.... So we eat early, and then helps me clean up....
We don't do anything at night.... THAT'S because I know better than to make any plans after DRINKING takes over. So everything we do, all the get togethers are all in the afternoon! Hah! I outsmarted anyone who thinks I will just sit there and act happy.
Just DO what you feel comfortable doing..... YOU are in charge... If you dread what is going to happen, don't even be around it.... don't make those plans.
Being alone, is better than being around all that "stuff!"
ESPECIALLY when you don't FEEL good! When you are going through treatment! Stress is just as hard on you as your pain..... just make yourselves happy.
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good luck blondiex..hugs, hugs, hugs
Blueberry...me too with the all over itching....the crotch itch is more uncomfy right now. No spots yet. A couple of times I took a benedrl when i couldn't change my focus off it. Sas suggested bag of balm I think it was called..gotta look back at message. I am going to try that.
Chevy...you are right...my daughter and her hubby will be with us and we will be very happy. It is just sad that things happen this way. I have always been "Switzerland " but the rest of them are always giving each other the silent treatment. Somewhere they should have grown up and learned how to behave.
Spookie......sorry you r going through the same....it's only august.....stop with the holiday fighting already.
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Morning all0 -
Morning
I am better today, I am sorry I was just dealing with insomnia when I read about Robin, I was upset pls forgive me I understand it's a bad sickness I just got upset about thinking of all the love ones he left behind ( Anyway never mentioned to come across wrong.
I am moving on now. Going to my walk and more crochet lol
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I know Enerva.... His wife, and his 3 kids? He isn't suffering anymore, it is just them that have to deal with it all..... They always leave someone or so many people that care about them.... but doesn't seem to matter..... their own insecurities and feelings of helplessness drive them to not even care.
It's just that ALL the women on here, who have, or are going through SOOOOOO much, and who have fought with their very last breath! Women who could only dream and hope for another tomorrw! And then someone who has a CHOICE chooses to end it all.....
Yes, I feel sorry for them.......
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Good Morning all,
Envera is busy, creating another work of art....
Alyson, good to see ya pop in, hope the pain eases...
Blondie, fingers crossed for a most excellent report.
Susan, thx for the morning tea, in a proper tea cup, beautiful rose... Try to enjoy your day, chemo tomorrow ?
Robin Williams, too sad, my theroy is people that abuse drugs/alcohol will eventually aquire mental illness issues. Whether they started out with true mentall illness. Just my thoughts on the complicated issue. He received the Oscar for "Good Will Hunting", loved him in that. The music from that movie is my favorite CD, listen to it all the time, in my car...
Sadly, 2 young men in our town took there own life. Both of these young men were very intelligent, well educated. ( 27 & 32 ). Close to my kids ages, they both were skiers, so my kids knew them from school & from a childhood of skiing & snowboarding. Both of the fathers were Drs., moms nurses. All go to the same church. Will never understand the why of it. Heartbreaking to see the pain it causes.
The holidays !!!!! Yikes, hate to say it but every year I enjoy it less.
DH is a trooper, getting stronger, bored but he is not a whiner.
BBL
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Hi againn Aly--glad you popped in PLEASE, come often. Missed you here. Yes, you, Chrissy, and I were here from the beginning. Sorry the RA isn't being controled.
Berry and Susan, Bag Balm--Udder ointment. LOL. It truly was made for cows udders. Made the crossover to human use int he 70's and maybe before. Can be bought at CVS and Walgreens. Now about 10$ a can. Works great.
Have docs do a bx and culture to be sure what you are dealing with. When I had a problem a few months ago, the stars aligned and I already had a dx. How rare is that? Bx from last summer that was an incidental finding, that was not bothering me. The usual tx for my dx when It's misbehaving, is steroid cream. But I avoid steroid creams as much as possible when I can. The biggest factor in my situation was the thyroid. The blood level finally came back towards a stable range. Versus the widely flucuating level during the RAI-131 tx. With more stable level and the bag balm, I healed.
It was hell though for awhile, the itch the pain AND then a secondary yeast infection AND then the Prius hip pain AND then passed the bladder stone, all overlapping in the same time period----it brought me to the brink. There is a wonderful use for the bag balm when you find it out you will be smiling--erhh sex. I have a chemical sensitivity to KY. SO, the universe was dark, but found the sun.
2ta--the recipe was on the back of the ronci mostecelli box. I added a tsp of salt to the cream mixture and cut up link sausage 1 package. Used generic brands to reduce costs. Omitted the real parmesan and substituted the powder Kraft stuff. WOW. Good enough for a holiday/party buffet. Can make ahead. Probably, 6large survings or dozen small survings thereabouts. With the bruschetta, I soaked the herbs in the butter for about a half hour before applying to the bread. It made a real difference.
Enerva--he was a troubled fella. Despair is the worst of all feelings, I think. It's an abyss of emptiness. I always wondered about what was going on in his head b/c he was always thinking so fast. I don't think his mind gave him much peace.
Ziggy waving......see that you signed on ----WE ALL MISS YOU AND LOVE YOU!
BBL
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i took my crochet to my walk lol after I did my walk I am now sitting by the lake doing my crochet
so nice to sit in a rock and listen to the water wile I do my next top. Here a few pictures from my walk and from where I am right now. 
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enerva...great pics...I feel like I am looking at vacation pictures
Sas...went from bag balm to a food recipe..lol..that was hard to track for me.ha ha..had to read it twice
Holeinone, glad your hubby is coming along..yep chemo tomorrow. Now that I know what I am in for the first week, I am setting up the downstairs. I am in a tri-level, big laundry room downstairs with fridge and kitchen counters. Will move microwave down there, then I can avoid steps for a few days. Was real dizzy and weak kneed for a bit. Gotta be safe...a header down the steps would not be good
Hello everyone...it's raining here , so a good day to cuddle on the couch with the dog
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sas...got the goods at walgreens.....thanks
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Just my two cents about Robin Williams:
Like 2TA said, depression is a mental illness. All of us have had a physical illness, and many of us have dealt with depression.
Only most of the time, our is a situational depression brought on by things that breast cancer has brought into our lives. We muddle through, we fight to get help, we carry on by putting one foot in front of the other. If we are here today, we are strong.
Yes, Robin Williams was rich and had the best care available to him. He sought treatment for his depression and alcohol and addiction problems time after time. He was honest and up front about his demons. But unless you have had Clinical Depression, or severe addiction or alcoholism, you can't even begin to understand how this strips you of all logical reasoning power.
They say suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary problem. Robin Williams lived with these powerful, negative, destructive forces every single day of his life. A person who is not in their right mind cannot make a simple choice to say "I will live because things will get better. I will not end my life because it will hurt my loved ones." This is not a matter of selfishness, it's a matter of self control... which that person has completely lost.
It's a fine line between wanting to live and wanting to die. Even if you know your time will come sooner than most, I think most women here are still fighting for the best days they can have, for as many as they have left.
But a person with a mental illness cannot see that. And we tend to judge them for it.
What if some came at you and ranted and railed about how your cancer ruined THEIR life, and why didn't you just say no? Or the same with Alzheimer's disease.... would you ever say "How could they DO that to their family?" The person with the illness honestly had no choice. The mentally ill person doesn't, either.
We often don't understand mental illness because we fear it. And unless we, a close friend, or family member has gone through it, we will never know what's going on inside the mind of a person with an illness like that.
Yes - we need more services. Yes - we need more funding. Sound familiar?
But even with the best doctors, the best therapy, the best rehabilitation, the best support system... a person who feels that there is nothing left but to stop the pain themselves will find a way to do it. Only a 24 hour a day guard could prevent this.
So my prayer is that Robin Williams has found the peace he never found in this earthly life.
As one of my dearest friends always says when there is a decision to make regarding others, "Err on the side of love."
o.k. So maybe it was more than two cents....
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blessings....very very very well said
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the second one I saw in person at Yellowstone...made of bacteria....so beautiful
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susan3: xoxoxo
Gorgeous pics!!!!!
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Enerva, love the pics of your walk. You walk in beauty,,,
Susan, those rainbows are awesome. Rainbows are one of my favorite things, right up there with warm summer days, not too hot, and thunderstorms at night, no tornadoes please. I feel like Maria from The Sound of Music, "and then I remember my favorite things..."
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Hi everyone===
Blessings well said and Enerva don't think twice about saying anything. U know the old saying we live by our choices, but sometimes choices make us so we all take and think differently at times and sometimes we all agree so depends on the day.
OK u'r pics are really like u'r on vacation, are there any other people that go there? It always looks so empty. I cant believe no one else goes there. U are so talented, and u'r right, u'r tops can really sell for some $$$.
OHSusan that rainbow is always welcomed, but the explanation of that pool of water sounds disgusting but it so pretty. And now u'r getting u'rself all set up for chemo cuz now u know good for u.
Blueberry living in a musical I guess--I kinda like that. LOL
I had so many stupid calls today, no one made sense to me--oh oh maybe it was me who didn't make sense. But I did email my boss telling him I was done taking calls today==well unless the phone rang.
Blessings jst a PS kind of thing one time a Dr. told me that mental illness was so very difficult to treat because the person your treating is not of any help to you. And as u gals know I do know personally unfortunately wht mental illness is all about and it's horrific.
OK on a lighter note I'll sing like Maria in whatever the hell that movie was. I think there are 2.
And again the Holidays I'm already getting sad about Joey going back to school in just a couple of weeks--their summers get shorter and shorter, I know a mom appreciates it, but A grandma doesn't.
My mind is floopy today so I hope I didn't hurt anyone's feelings. Well I can't hurt Chevy so that's fine.
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BLESSINGS, Thanks, well said, ditto Susan. Hope you are feeling better .
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Susan send me some of that rain please. Its been hot and muggy here in southern California. Cami, I'm sorry Joey will be going back to school soon, I know you will miss each other during the school day. I love how close the two of you are. Enerva, thanks for sharing those beautiful pictures. What a peaceful calm place to walk or sit and contemplate (or crochet ). And Susan, the rainbow is beautiful, but not the bacteria.
I can't imagine the depth of emotional pain Robin Williams endured for years. There still continues to be stigma around mental illness. Some people find it more acceptable that people try to self-medicate with drugs and alcohol. I personally have heard people say taking medication for depression is a crutch that is glorified in pop psychology. I wish Robin Williams could have felt 'really heard' and 'really known' and could have found some relief for his very deep pain. There was a place deep inside of him that no one could touch. Very very sad.
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i finished my niece top. I will send it tmw hoping it arrives before her bday.
Yes you guys are right, I hope his family survive losing him
Just to sad and upsetting.
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Enerva, does that top hook around the neck with buttons? Very cool
) I haven't worn tops like that for a bizzillion years. I remember living in a small duplex that had a yard. I took care of my own yardwork. I would wear a pink tye-dye halter top that tied around the back and the neck. Loved that halter top...weird tan lines though. 0 -
Enerva I really like that color too, she'll love it----u'r so fast.
Paw we're having rain here too, but it got cool, I was wearing a sweater all day--first time in a while. what a crazy summer this has been too.
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